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On August 29 2011 22:58 Xinder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 22:53 Shikyo wrote:
In an effort to increase my overall skills playing hardcarries, I've spent 2 days playing 1v0 games doing nothing but lasthitting without quelling blade. Yes, my training methods are awesome. I have a question about that actually? Is quelling blade the newbie weapon? I've been playing on dotacash and see lots of ppl in my -ap games getting the thing. I'm guessing since you're 'training' w/o using it then it's a crutch that is not used at high levels of play.
It's definitely better to be able to spend that 225 on something else. I noticed a lot of stout shield + 3 gg branches + consumables during the International
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It's gained even more popularity after becoming sell-able. It's pretty much always worth getting in DotAcash etc unless you desperately need more consumables to survive your lane as its earned back once its granted you 3 additional lasthits. You need to play at a very high level before the lost +stats matter however some matchups just require you to get 6 tangos + 1 or 2 salves...
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On August 29 2011 22:58 Xinder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 22:53 Shikyo wrote:
In an effort to increase my overall skills playing hardcarries, I've spent 2 days playing 1v0 games doing nothing but lasthitting without quelling blade. Yes, my training methods are awesome. I have a question about that actually? Is quelling blade the newbie weapon? I've been playing on dotacash and see lots of ppl in my -ap games getting the thing. I'm guessing since you're 'training' w/o using it then it's a crutch that is not used at high levels of play.
It definitely is still useful especially if you plan on transitioning into farming in the jungle without an orb, but you generally don't want to spend some of your first 603 gold on it, especially as shield is usually better for the later game.
On some heroes you of course always get it, like on Bloodseeker it's very useful.
(I mostly practice so that I can lasthit perfectly when I in fact play with a quelling blade)
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It's sooo hard to get last hits in the game for me right now. Hard to see the healthbars of the enemy creeps vs my own creeps healthbars when they are right on top of each other. Not to mention the hero i've been playing to get myself reacquainted with DotA is Lich. The animation is SOOOOOOOOO SLOOOOWWWWW lolol. It's tough.
For your practice Shikyo do you just load up dota and put the computer as an op and then start last hitting?
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On August 29 2011 23:13 Xinder wrote:
It's sooo hard to get last hits in the game for me right now. Hard to see the healthbars of the enemy creeps vs my own creeps healthbars when they are right on top of each other. Not to mention the hero i've been playing to get myself reacquainted with DotA is Lich. The animation is SOOOOOOOOO SLOOOOWWWWW lolol. It's tough.
For your practice Shikyo do you just load up dota and put the computer as an op and then start last hitting?
I just make a game with only me as a player vs 0 players, 1v0.
It's pretty cool seeing that you can actually get power treads, vanguard, and battle fury by 18min by only staying on your lane and lasthitting properly o.O If only I could do this in actual games
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i get quelling blade on most melee carries now (especially against furions), the fact that its sellable makes it not a bad investment at all and you dont really need the +3 stat items in pubs
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If you do want to train last hitting don't play a single player custom map. Load it up in LAN or with a custom latency setting program online. 0 vs 100 ms does make a minor but noticeable difference when last-hitting. Learning the wrong latency isn't optimal when you can easily choose another one.
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On August 29 2011 23:14 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 23:13 Xinder wrote:
It's sooo hard to get last hits in the game for me right now. Hard to see the healthbars of the enemy creeps vs my own creeps healthbars when they are right on top of each other. Not to mention the hero i've been playing to get myself reacquainted with DotA is Lich. The animation is SOOOOOOOOO SLOOOOWWWWW lolol. It's tough.
For your practice Shikyo do you just load up dota and put the computer as an op and then start last hitting? I just make a game with only me as a player vs 0 players, 1v0. It's pretty cool seeing that you can actually get power treads, vanguard, and battle fury by 18min by only staying on your lane and lasthitting properly o.O If only I could do this in actual games
given opponents of equal skill level, you cant do it in actual games because theres a lot of ways to screw up the other persons last hitting
but your opponents arent usually the same skill level*
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On August 29 2011 23:29 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 23:14 Shikyo wrote:On August 29 2011 23:13 Xinder wrote:
It's sooo hard to get last hits in the game for me right now. Hard to see the healthbars of the enemy creeps vs my own creeps healthbars when they are right on top of each other. Not to mention the hero i've been playing to get myself reacquainted with DotA is Lich. The animation is SOOOOOOOOO SLOOOOWWWWW lolol. It's tough.
For your practice Shikyo do you just load up dota and put the computer as an op and then start last hitting? I just make a game with only me as a player vs 0 players, 1v0. It's pretty cool seeing that you can actually get power treads, vanguard, and battle fury by 18min by only staying on your lane and lasthitting properly o.O If only I could do this in actual games given opponents of equal skill level, you cant do it in actual games because theres a lot of ways to screw up the other persons last hitting but your opponents arent usually the same skill level*
Yeah of course, it still is very cool to see that it's possible in theory. Though one definitely shouldn't expect to actually get 100 lasthits in 15min.
EDIT: Bloodseeker with Quelling blade, is he possible to stop 1v1?
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On August 29 2011 23:36 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 23:29 rabidch wrote:On August 29 2011 23:14 Shikyo wrote:On August 29 2011 23:13 Xinder wrote:
It's sooo hard to get last hits in the game for me right now. Hard to see the healthbars of the enemy creeps vs my own creeps healthbars when they are right on top of each other. Not to mention the hero i've been playing to get myself reacquainted with DotA is Lich. The animation is SOOOOOOOOO SLOOOOWWWWW lolol. It's tough.
For your practice Shikyo do you just load up dota and put the computer as an op and then start last hitting? I just make a game with only me as a player vs 0 players, 1v0. It's pretty cool seeing that you can actually get power treads, vanguard, and battle fury by 18min by only staying on your lane and lasthitting properly o.O If only I could do this in actual games given opponents of equal skill level, you cant do it in actual games because theres a lot of ways to screw up the other persons last hitting but your opponents arent usually the same skill level* Yeah of course, it still is very cool to see that it's possible in theory. Though one definitely shouldn't expect to actually get 100 lasthits in 15min. EDIT: Bloodseeker with Quelling blade, is he possible to stop 1v1?
oh its still not hard to do it... i did it yesterday. this is also why you see 11-13 minute radiances in pro games anyway. (actually people dont do straight radiance much anymore)
depends on the other hero.
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On August 29 2011 23:41 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 23:36 Shikyo wrote:On August 29 2011 23:29 rabidch wrote:On August 29 2011 23:14 Shikyo wrote:On August 29 2011 23:13 Xinder wrote:
It's sooo hard to get last hits in the game for me right now. Hard to see the healthbars of the enemy creeps vs my own creeps healthbars when they are right on top of each other. Not to mention the hero i've been playing to get myself reacquainted with DotA is Lich. The animation is SOOOOOOOOO SLOOOOWWWWW lolol. It's tough.
For your practice Shikyo do you just load up dota and put the computer as an op and then start last hitting? I just make a game with only me as a player vs 0 players, 1v0. It's pretty cool seeing that you can actually get power treads, vanguard, and battle fury by 18min by only staying on your lane and lasthitting properly o.O If only I could do this in actual games given opponents of equal skill level, you cant do it in actual games because theres a lot of ways to screw up the other persons last hitting but your opponents arent usually the same skill level* Yeah of course, it still is very cool to see that it's possible in theory. Though one definitely shouldn't expect to actually get 100 lasthits in 15min. EDIT: Bloodseeker with Quelling blade, is he possible to stop 1v1? oh its still not hard to do it... i did it yesterday. this is also why you see 11-13 minute radiances in pro games anyway. (actually people dont do straight radiance much anymore) depends on the other hero.
Depends a lot on your teammates as well. If you have two people comited on not letting the other guy getting near you, it's a lot easier. On pubs you are competing against 3 other people quite often, 2 enemies and 1 ally, that's where QB really shines. Of course that depends on the place and level of play.
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There's one very common situation where Quelling blade is necessary, it's when a ranged creeps and melee creeps attacks land on a creep at the same time, and before they land it's too high to be lasthitted and after those attacks hit it dies instantly. There might be like 2 ms during which you can lasthit but you can't really count on that. Those are the creeps that you can't get without quelling blade but can with it, if there's 3 situations like that it paid for itself. ( This is only for low base dmg heroes like Mortred, you don't have this problem with Void)
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On August 29 2011 23:49 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 23:41 rabidch wrote:On August 29 2011 23:36 Shikyo wrote:On August 29 2011 23:29 rabidch wrote:On August 29 2011 23:14 Shikyo wrote:On August 29 2011 23:13 Xinder wrote:
It's sooo hard to get last hits in the game for me right now. Hard to see the healthbars of the enemy creeps vs my own creeps healthbars when they are right on top of each other. Not to mention the hero i've been playing to get myself reacquainted with DotA is Lich. The animation is SOOOOOOOOO SLOOOOWWWWW lolol. It's tough.
For your practice Shikyo do you just load up dota and put the computer as an op and then start last hitting? I just make a game with only me as a player vs 0 players, 1v0. It's pretty cool seeing that you can actually get power treads, vanguard, and battle fury by 18min by only staying on your lane and lasthitting properly o.O If only I could do this in actual games given opponents of equal skill level, you cant do it in actual games because theres a lot of ways to screw up the other persons last hitting but your opponents arent usually the same skill level* Yeah of course, it still is very cool to see that it's possible in theory. Though one definitely shouldn't expect to actually get 100 lasthits in 15min. EDIT: Bloodseeker with Quelling blade, is he possible to stop 1v1? oh its still not hard to do it... i did it yesterday. this is also why you see 11-13 minute radiances in pro games anyway. (actually people dont do straight radiance much anymore) depends on the other hero. Depends a lot on your teammates as well. If you have two people comited on not letting the other guy getting near you, it's a lot easier. On pubs you are competing against 3 other people quite often, 2 enemies and 1 ally, that's where QB really shines. Of course that depends on the place and level of play.
The real problem is often in not having a dedicated farmer on the lane. In any pro game it is decided who gets the majority of the farm/xp/kills. In pubs you don't trust your team mates so you both try to last hit it. Not trusting is something you learn after a while when you give your team mate free farm and he gets 30 cs in the lane phase. :/
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i want to try out the champions in this MOBA
anyone up for some LoL or HoN?
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I'm having a heck of a hard time double-pulling the 2 medium camps in sentinel jungle to stack them.
Halp pls
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On August 29 2011 23:54 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 23:49 SKC wrote:On August 29 2011 23:41 rabidch wrote:On August 29 2011 23:36 Shikyo wrote:On August 29 2011 23:29 rabidch wrote:On August 29 2011 23:14 Shikyo wrote:On August 29 2011 23:13 Xinder wrote:
It's sooo hard to get last hits in the game for me right now. Hard to see the healthbars of the enemy creeps vs my own creeps healthbars when they are right on top of each other. Not to mention the hero i've been playing to get myself reacquainted with DotA is Lich. The animation is SOOOOOOOOO SLOOOOWWWWW lolol. It's tough.
For your practice Shikyo do you just load up dota and put the computer as an op and then start last hitting? I just make a game with only me as a player vs 0 players, 1v0. It's pretty cool seeing that you can actually get power treads, vanguard, and battle fury by 18min by only staying on your lane and lasthitting properly o.O If only I could do this in actual games given opponents of equal skill level, you cant do it in actual games because theres a lot of ways to screw up the other persons last hitting but your opponents arent usually the same skill level* Yeah of course, it still is very cool to see that it's possible in theory. Though one definitely shouldn't expect to actually get 100 lasthits in 15min. EDIT: Bloodseeker with Quelling blade, is he possible to stop 1v1? oh its still not hard to do it... i did it yesterday. this is also why you see 11-13 minute radiances in pro games anyway. (actually people dont do straight radiance much anymore) depends on the other hero. Depends a lot on your teammates as well. If you have two people comited on not letting the other guy getting near you, it's a lot easier. On pubs you are competing against 3 other people quite often, 2 enemies and 1 ally, that's where QB really shines. Of course that depends on the place and level of play. The real problem is often in not having a dedicated farmer on the lane. In any pro game it is decided who gets the majority of the farm/xp/kills. In pubs you don't trust your team mates so you both try to last hit it. Not trusting is something you learn after a while when you give your team mate free farm and he gets 30 cs in the lane phase. :/
Yes, I'm not saying it's wrong, it's just how it is, and it's a reason things don't translate 1-1 from pro games to pubs. Not only you don't ussually have a well designed team, everything you said is true. I would sooner go for a desolator Dazzle than trust any random teammate in Garena.
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On August 30 2011 02:17 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 23:54 Yurie wrote:On August 29 2011 23:49 SKC wrote:On August 29 2011 23:41 rabidch wrote:On August 29 2011 23:36 Shikyo wrote:On August 29 2011 23:29 rabidch wrote:On August 29 2011 23:14 Shikyo wrote:On August 29 2011 23:13 Xinder wrote:
It's sooo hard to get last hits in the game for me right now. Hard to see the healthbars of the enemy creeps vs my own creeps healthbars when they are right on top of each other. Not to mention the hero i've been playing to get myself reacquainted with DotA is Lich. The animation is SOOOOOOOOO SLOOOOWWWWW lolol. It's tough.
For your practice Shikyo do you just load up dota and put the computer as an op and then start last hitting? I just make a game with only me as a player vs 0 players, 1v0. It's pretty cool seeing that you can actually get power treads, vanguard, and battle fury by 18min by only staying on your lane and lasthitting properly o.O If only I could do this in actual games given opponents of equal skill level, you cant do it in actual games because theres a lot of ways to screw up the other persons last hitting but your opponents arent usually the same skill level* Yeah of course, it still is very cool to see that it's possible in theory. Though one definitely shouldn't expect to actually get 100 lasthits in 15min. EDIT: Bloodseeker with Quelling blade, is he possible to stop 1v1? oh its still not hard to do it... i did it yesterday. this is also why you see 11-13 minute radiances in pro games anyway. (actually people dont do straight radiance much anymore) depends on the other hero. Depends a lot on your teammates as well. If you have two people comited on not letting the other guy getting near you, it's a lot easier. On pubs you are competing against 3 other people quite often, 2 enemies and 1 ally, that's where QB really shines. Of course that depends on the place and level of play. The real problem is often in not having a dedicated farmer on the lane. In any pro game it is decided who gets the majority of the farm/xp/kills. In pubs you don't trust your team mates so you both try to last hit it. Not trusting is something you learn after a while when you give your team mate free farm and he gets 30 cs in the lane phase. :/ Yes, I'm not saying it's wrong, it's just how it is, and it's a reason things don't translate 1-1 from pro games to pubs. Not only you don't ussually have a well designed team, everything you said is true. I would sooner go for a desolator Dazzle than trust any random teammate in Garena.
Worst thing though is sharing your courier and then ally getting it killed. -_-
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On August 30 2011 02:16 hideo wrote:
I'm having a heck of a hard time double-pulling the 2 medium camps in sentinel jungle to stack them.
Halp pls
Top camp at ~51, walk straight down to the trees and make a turn a turn to either side as soon as you have activated the lower camp.
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If anyone's interested, I'll stream DotA at http://www.justin.tv/shayuki =)
EDIT: HOW does SC2, LoL not lag, WC3 lags? sec
EDIT2: prolly fixed
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