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On March 01 2012 04:19 Kanaz wrote:
Anyone knows if they plan to add a seperate russians server?
Dota isn't really that fun when every 3rd game is with people who don't understand english, and blames you for talking english and not russian. T_T
I'm pretty sure there will be many more regions, seeing how they switched to a world map for region selection 
And yeah, some of those russians are really horrible ;/ Not all thankfully.
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quoted instead of editing :C
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Got my first penta-kill with Clinkz today. Was a close game, which made it so sweet!
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hmm... how do you build skills on BH? like lots of people just stick with the classic max Q first but i have seen some get 2 level of W and its quite effective. Your mana pool wont allow u to use Q as much anyway....
Also, what you all think about items such as midas/fury/rad on carries? I think if u cant get midas before 7 mins, fury before 15 mins, rad before 22-23 mins they are generally not worth the effort...
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Lalalaland34510 Posts
On March 01 2012 04:10 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Quantic vs Fnatic game 2
great example of why I wince every time someone picks SF in pubs
:D
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hahaha i tuned in towards the end to see a dominating sf.
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On March 01 2012 04:55 NB wrote:
hmm... how do you build skills on BH? like lots of people just stick with the classic max Q first but i have seen some get 2 level of W and its quite effective. Your mana pool wont allow u to use Q as much anyway....
Also, what you all think about items such as midas/fury/rad on carries? I think if u cant get midas before 7 mins, fury before 15 mins, rad before 22-23 mins they are generally not worth the effort...
Don't pick bh
easy as that
Midas is generally quite a big waste, since game are too short
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On March 01 2012 05:05 Yoshi- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 04:55 NB wrote:
hmm... how do you build skills on BH? like lots of people just stick with the classic max Q first but i have seen some get 2 level of W and its quite effective. Your mana pool wont allow u to use Q as much anyway....
Also, what you all think about items such as midas/fury/rad on carries? I think if u cant get midas before 7 mins, fury before 15 mins, rad before 22-23 mins they are generally not worth the effort... Don't pick bh easy as that Midas is generally quite a big waste, since game are too short
What's wrong with BH? I generally agree with what you said NB about items but midas is a bit special because you might be able to get it before 7 minutes but then it delays your other core item and if you then come into a situation before midas catches up where that core item would have helped/saved a team fight midas becomes an issue. So I think relying purely on the time you can get it isn't quite right. It's a factor of game and time.
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On March 01 2012 05:05 Yoshi- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 04:55 NB wrote:
hmm... how do you build skills on BH? like lots of people just stick with the classic max Q first but i have seen some get 2 level of W and its quite effective. Your mana pool wont allow u to use Q as much anyway....
Also, what you all think about items such as midas/fury/rad on carries? I think if u cant get midas before 7 mins, fury before 15 mins, rad before 22-23 mins they are generally not worth the effort... Don't pick bh easy as that Midas is generally quite a big waste, since game are too short
Midas is a waste of time if it is not on AM, Void, Doom, and maybe SK.
BH is a great hero currently if you want to run a high paced ganking team with Sandking, Veno etc... He can bring in a lot of gold for supports and himself. He also will burst down any current support hero. He starts off as a ganker and transtions to a carry with the gold he gets from kills and teamfights. He can solo verse any current sideline solo. Even aganist the highly overrated WR he does fine.
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On March 01 2012 04:55 NB wrote:
hmm... how do you build skills on BH? like lots of people just stick with the classic max Q first but i have seen some get 2 level of W and its quite effective. Your mana pool wont allow u to use Q as much anyway....
Also, what you all think about items such as midas/fury/rad on carries? I think if u cant get midas before 7 mins, fury before 15 mins, rad before 22-23 mins they are generally not worth the effort...
I think you are building him wrong. If you want a simple explanation buy this.... Tango HealingPot Stout 3x Ironwood.
Transtion into PMS(Poor Mans Shield) Then get RoH, Treads, Persve, Jango, Bfury. Depending on what you are verse get a BKB before or after Desolater. Then you can get more DMG, Tanky items, or AC if you want something in between Tank and DMG.
For Skill Points.
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Ults at 6/11/16 if I fucked something up when I was typing out the skill build.
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On March 01 2012 05:43 TheWarbler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 05:05 Yoshi- wrote:On March 01 2012 04:55 NB wrote:
hmm... how do you build skills on BH? like lots of people just stick with the classic max Q first but i have seen some get 2 level of W and its quite effective. Your mana pool wont allow u to use Q as much anyway....
Also, what you all think about items such as midas/fury/rad on carries? I think if u cant get midas before 7 mins, fury before 15 mins, rad before 22-23 mins they are generally not worth the effort... Don't pick bh easy as that Midas is generally quite a big waste, since game are too short Midas is a waste of time if it is not on AM, Void, Doom, and maybe SK. BH is a great hero currently if you want to run a high paced ganking team with Sandking, Veno etc... He can bring in a lot of gold for supports and himself. He also will burst down any current support hero. He starts off as a ganker and transtions to a carry with the gold he gets from kills and teamfights. He can solo verse any current sideline solo. Even aganist the highly overrated WR he does fine.
It is always wasted, games end too fast, you just don't have time to delay your items by 10 minutes
BH is a walking ulti with 3 rather shitty spells, if you don't abuse his ulti until you got over 9k gold on every hero of your team early on, you are a big creep.
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Its viper time!
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vc3Qp.png)
I have a question about Silencer's curse of the silent. Do no orb effects count as a "spell" so you can't use them to get rid of it even if you manually cast it? Or if you play viper are u just forced to have no mana all early game against him?
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On March 01 2012 05:58 Yoshi- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 05:43 TheWarbler wrote:On March 01 2012 05:05 Yoshi- wrote:On March 01 2012 04:55 NB wrote:
hmm... how do you build skills on BH? like lots of people just stick with the classic max Q first but i have seen some get 2 level of W and its quite effective. Your mana pool wont allow u to use Q as much anyway....
Also, what you all think about items such as midas/fury/rad on carries? I think if u cant get midas before 7 mins, fury before 15 mins, rad before 22-23 mins they are generally not worth the effort... Don't pick bh easy as that Midas is generally quite a big waste, since game are too short Midas is a waste of time if it is not on AM, Void, Doom, and maybe SK. BH is a great hero currently if you want to run a high paced ganking team with Sandking, Veno etc... He can bring in a lot of gold for supports and himself. He also will burst down any current support hero. He starts off as a ganker and transtions to a carry with the gold he gets from kills and teamfights. He can solo verse any current sideline solo. Even aganist the highly overrated WR he does fine. It is always wasted, games end too fast, you just don't have time to delay your items by 10 minutes BH is a walking ulti with 3 rather shitty spells, if you don't abuse his ulti until you got over 9k gold on every hero of your team early on, you are a big creep.
I think your view on things are a bit too black and white.
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On March 01 2012 06:08 PHILtheTANK wrote:Its viper time! I have a question about Silencer's curse of the silent. Do no orb effects count as a "spell" so you can't use them to get rid of it even if you manually cast it? Or if you play viper are u just forced to have no mana all early game against him?
Eventually people are going to get annoyed at you constantly posting these brag screenshots of the victory screen. (I got experience)
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
I'm already very slightly annoyed.
And orb effects do not cancel Curse of the Silent.
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So it wasn't only me!
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I will cease posting said screenshots then!
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On March 01 2012 05:53 TheWarbler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 04:55 NB wrote:
hmm... how do you build skills on BH? like lots of people just stick with the classic max Q first but i have seen some get 2 level of W and its quite effective. Your mana pool wont allow u to use Q as much anyway....
Also, what you all think about items such as midas/fury/rad on carries? I think if u cant get midas before 7 mins, fury before 15 mins, rad before 22-23 mins they are generally not worth the effort... I think you are building him wrong. If you want a simple explanation buy this.... Tango HealingPot Stout 3x Ironwood. Transtion into PMS(Poor Mans Shield) Then get RoH, Treads, Persve, Jango, Bfury. Depending on what you are verse get a BKB before or after Desolater. Then you can get more DMG, Tanky items, or AC if you want something in between Tank and DMG. For Skill Points. + Show Spoiler +
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Ults at 6/11/16 if I fucked something up when I was typing out the skill build.
no i think you are building him wrong... what i stated was the exact build bleek used when he played for AL in The Defense... maxing W is only good if you can free farm a lane without contest. Otherwise level 2 W should be more than enough for you to last hit all the thing... In term of dmg out put Q still do much better not even counting the fact that its a range spell which mean that you can easily finish off targets who have escaping mechanic. More over as i stated, BFurry is a waste on BH as his role is to kill, not to farm. Its true that void stone help out his regen a lot but Fury is a huge waste of money... Ulti at level 6 or 8-9 is still debatable depend on when your team could start ganking. I would rather max out my Q to guarantee a kill than track somebody and pray that smhow they will be dead. Ofc u have to be flexible about it no doubt.
Again, i see a lot of people saying BH is raising in the current ban/pick and Im wondering how do people build/play him differently to make it such a success?
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United States47024 Posts
Battlefury is fine on BH in the rare case that you have to play 1st position cuz there's no other carry. In that case you need farming power, and BH lacks farming power. Generally, in pubs, though, picking too FEW carries is not a problem.
Battlefury and Janggo should be mutually exclusive. If you got Battlefury, your gameplan is to farm and farm and farm until you get big items. If you're building Janggo, your gameplan is to be at every fight, which is why you bough an item like Janggo that builds from small components and is cost-effective in early midgame fighting.
Either: BFury->Manta/BKB/BFly/etc.
Or: Janggo->BKB->BFly/Yasha/Manta/etc.
Boots are generally Treads, though Phases are an option.
Skill order, copied from iG's YYF:
EWQQQRQEWWRWEE
Q is maxed because it has very generous damage scaling. Two ranks of E are gotten to make stealth usage smoother (allowing you to Track->restealth more easily toward the end of stealth), and otherwise W is maxed second (it's good, but Q is still is more reliable damage early game).
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