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On February 22 2012 16:08 ggahSoO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 15:30 PHILtheTANK wrote:
U know what pisses me off? People who go mask of madness on faceless void, especially when the game isn't going well. I honestly think thats like the worst often used item choice in the game. Boots+no regen first would like to have a word with you
Lol but everyone know boots+no regen is retarded. I think i've only seen it once actually in all of my games played so far. But MoM on Void is seriously the worst fucking item ever. And rushing it first is the dumbest thing ive ever seen.
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On February 22 2012 16:08 ggahSoO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 15:30 PHILtheTANK wrote:
U know what pisses me off? People who go mask of madness on faceless void, especially when the game isn't going well. I honestly think thats like the worst often used item choice in the game. Boots+no regen first would like to have a word with you
Speaking of which, why do I keep seeing people do these stupid starts when they random where they come to lane with no items, and then buy an RoH in the side shop when they get 875? Fortunately I haven't seen them on my team.
What do bad players have against buying branches anyway? Branches are like the best fucking item ever.
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On February 22 2012 16:18 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 16:08 ggahSoO wrote:On February 22 2012 15:30 PHILtheTANK wrote:
U know what pisses me off? People who go mask of madness on faceless void, especially when the game isn't going well. I honestly think thats like the worst often used item choice in the game. Boots+no regen first would like to have a word with you Speaking of which, why do I keep seeing people do these stupid starts when they random where they come to lane with no items, and then buy an RoH in the side shop when they get 875? Fortunately I haven't seen them on my team. What do bad players have against buying branches anyway? Branches are like the best fucking item ever.
RoH is in vanguard, noobs love vanguard and vlads. They love either 1) spending all their gold on non-hp items or 2) spending no gold saving for hp items
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played with a riki today who went 0-12 and had phase + basher + mom @ 45 min
"riki why don't you get agi items?" asks a team mate
"my passive makes me do enough dmg already, i know what im doing"
uninstalled dota 2 on the spot
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On February 22 2012 08:32 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 08:27 PHILtheTANK wrote:On February 22 2012 04:13 NB wrote:On February 21 2012 18:47 PHILtheTANK wrote:On February 21 2012 18:39 Hoban wrote:
Antimage too stronk! I was looking at your huskar game and I'm like "How did they lose with a 23-7 huskar, an invoker, a farmed OD, and a tide?" I have been losing all day. My new beta account has been treating me with the most try-hards possible while my teammates love to not do anything but die. haha i know the feeling. We lost for a couple reasons. The vast majority of our kills came from either me soloing 3 people, or me and invoker fighting by ourselves. OD never came to fight  Plus when tide misses ravages on all 5 of them and has a blink dagger things aren't going well. Our teamfighting was horrendous, and people were getting way too overaggressive trying to push more racks with me dead. Not to say I didn't have my faults either Edit: Woot Pudge is now my most successful hero! 7-0 ftw! correct me if im wrong but i never find huskar any useful in teamfight... like he is a good initiator but thats it... in this case you have a tide too so initiating isnt a problem either. i think there should be strategy revolving smoke gank when you have huskar and try to force team fight only when u picked off 1 or 2 heroes on the enemy team... same with pudge, BS, BH and all the other mid game melee ganking heroes (except NS ofc) The way i feel is that without bkb up hes 100% useless. Also I agree with him being a kind of trash teamfighter, in that game at the point i had double anti mages farm, he was still probably more usefull in a straight teamfight than me. In hindsight i probably built wrong, I think I should have gotten Heaven's Halberrd for the evasion and disarm for anti mage. Ghost Scepter is actually a reasonable option for that purpose. You can still manual cast orbs through the Ethereal effect, so as long as you don't kill yourself by Ghost Scepter-ing into SK/Lich ults, it can be good.
I never played dota 1, so I went and tested the Ghost Scepter thing out with Drow Ranger. It worked, but I was unable to orb through Ethereal Blade, was very disappoited \= Is this the same as in Dota 1?
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On February 22 2012 18:12 jfourz wrote:
played with a riki today who went 0-12 and had phase + basher + mom @ 45 min
"riki why don't you get agi items?" asks a team mate
"my passive makes me do enough dmg already, i know what im doing"
uninstalled dota 2 on the spot
riki goes mom in competitive games sometimes, just not phase boots
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On February 22 2012 18:39 cilinder007 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 18:12 jfourz wrote:
played with a riki today who went 0-12 and had phase + basher + mom @ 45 min
"riki why don't you get agi items?" asks a team mate
"my passive makes me do enough dmg already, i know what im doing"
uninstalled dota 2 on the spot riki goes mom in competitive games sometimes, just not phase boots
MoM is never a good idea unless you're winning by a huge amount or you need to take a risk. :/
I've seen competitive voids throw the game by getting a MoM, any half decent team will focus you for a second and watch you die.
MoM works ocasionally if you're chasing or can make sure they wont leave your smoke.
I've been playing DotA2 for quite a while and all my games are in the 'high' skill level and my team-mates don't make stupid items anymore and everybody kind of knows what they're doing.
Gondars geting deso over battlefury and the likes.
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On February 22 2012 18:39 cilinder007 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 18:12 jfourz wrote:
played with a riki today who went 0-12 and had phase + basher + mom @ 45 min
"riki why don't you get agi items?" asks a team mate
"my passive makes me do enough dmg already, i know what im doing"
uninstalled dota 2 on the spot riki goes mom in competitive games sometimes, just not phase boots
tide goes maelstrom in competitive games sometimes
do you see why that is a stupid thing to say
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On February 22 2012 18:39 cilinder007 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 18:12 jfourz wrote:
played with a riki today who went 0-12 and had phase + basher + mom @ 45 min
"riki why don't you get agi items?" asks a team mate
"my passive makes me do enough dmg already, i know what im doing"
uninstalled dota 2 on the spot riki goes mom in competitive games sometimes, just not phase boots
even if they did they would get those items it would farmed 3 times as faster
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On February 22 2012 18:43 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 18:39 cilinder007 wrote:On February 22 2012 18:12 jfourz wrote:
played with a riki today who went 0-12 and had phase + basher + mom @ 45 min
"riki why don't you get agi items?" asks a team mate
"my passive makes me do enough dmg already, i know what im doing"
uninstalled dota 2 on the spot riki goes mom in competitive games sometimes, just not phase boots MoM is never a good idea unless you're winning by a huge amount or you need to take a risk. :/ I've seen competitive voids throw the game by getting a MoM, any half decent team will focus you for a second and watch you die. MoM works ocasionally if you're chasing or can make sure they wont leave your smoke. I've been playing DotA2 for quite a while and all my games are in the 'high' skill level and my team-mates don't make stupid items anymore and everybody kind of knows what they're doing. Gondars geting deso over battlefury and the likes.
My games are also in the "high" skill level, and they're filled with idiots. Today our Broodmother who got a 35 min orchid(first item after ring of aquilius or w/e its called) was bitching that our alchemist got a BKB, "WOW ALCHEMIST GETTING BKB... WAY TO BUILD LIKE A FUCKING TANK AND BE USELESS".
Also battlefury isn't a bad item on gondar if you are farming really well.
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On February 22 2012 19:02 PHILtheTANK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 18:43 Unleashing wrote:On February 22 2012 18:39 cilinder007 wrote:On February 22 2012 18:12 jfourz wrote:
played with a riki today who went 0-12 and had phase + basher + mom @ 45 min
"riki why don't you get agi items?" asks a team mate
"my passive makes me do enough dmg already, i know what im doing"
uninstalled dota 2 on the spot riki goes mom in competitive games sometimes, just not phase boots MoM is never a good idea unless you're winning by a huge amount or you need to take a risk. :/ I've seen competitive voids throw the game by getting a MoM, any half decent team will focus you for a second and watch you die. MoM works ocasionally if you're chasing or can make sure they wont leave your smoke. I've been playing DotA2 for quite a while and all my games are in the 'high' skill level and my team-mates don't make stupid items anymore and everybody kind of knows what they're doing. Gondars geting deso over battlefury and the likes. My games are also in the "high" skill level, and they're filled with idiots. Today our Broodmother who got a 35 min orchid(first item after ring of aquilius or w/e its called) was bitching that our alchemist got a BKB, "WOW ALCHEMIST GETTING BKB... WAY TO BUILD LIKE A FUCKING TANK AND BE USELESS". Also battlefury isn't a bad item on gondar if you are farming really well.
*sigh*
Orchid is a great first item on brood. But that is a quite late orchid.
And if BKB was his first item it indeed was very stupid since he is naturally tanky trough his stat-gain and ult and building some armor makes him fairly beefy already.
Also, let's see. Battlefury makes your farming better while deso let's you gank a lot better.
A hero with a built in ability that gives him more gold trough ganking and killing than he can get trough jungling + his team in the area gest a boost of gold too almost making killing a hero like killing a tower for your entire team.
He is best built as a killing machine over a farm-machine, there are other carries that scale better with the farm build since they're not the ganking monsters gondar is.
Getting a medallion + deso let's you gank 10 times more effeciently than a BF does.
And in some situations i'd argue that an orchid is the best item for him to get first, against certain line-ups.
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On February 22 2012 19:13 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 19:02 PHILtheTANK wrote:On February 22 2012 18:43 Unleashing wrote:On February 22 2012 18:39 cilinder007 wrote:On February 22 2012 18:12 jfourz wrote:
played with a riki today who went 0-12 and had phase + basher + mom @ 45 min
"riki why don't you get agi items?" asks a team mate
"my passive makes me do enough dmg already, i know what im doing"
uninstalled dota 2 on the spot riki goes mom in competitive games sometimes, just not phase boots MoM is never a good idea unless you're winning by a huge amount or you need to take a risk. :/ I've seen competitive voids throw the game by getting a MoM, any half decent team will focus you for a second and watch you die. MoM works ocasionally if you're chasing or can make sure they wont leave your smoke. I've been playing DotA2 for quite a while and all my games are in the 'high' skill level and my team-mates don't make stupid items anymore and everybody kind of knows what they're doing. Gondars geting deso over battlefury and the likes. My games are also in the "high" skill level, and they're filled with idiots. Today our Broodmother who got a 35 min orchid(first item after ring of aquilius or w/e its called) was bitching that our alchemist got a BKB, "WOW ALCHEMIST GETTING BKB... WAY TO BUILD LIKE A FUCKING TANK AND BE USELESS". Also battlefury isn't a bad item on gondar if you are farming really well. *sigh* Orchid is a great first item on brood. But that is a quite late orchid. And if BKB was his first item it indeed was very stupid since he is naturally tanky trough his stat-gain and ult and building some armor makes him fairly beefy already. Also, let's see. Battlefury makes your farming better while deso let's you gank a lot better. A hero with a built in ability that gives him more gold trough ganking and killing than he can get trough jungling + his team in the area gest a boost of gold too almost making killing a hero like killing a tower for your entire team. He is best built as a killing machine over a farm-machine, there are other carries that scale better with the farm build since they're not the ganking monsters gondar is. Getting a medallion + deso let's you gank 10 times more effeciently than a BF does. And in some situations i'd argue that an orchid is the best item for him to get first, against certain line-ups.
I think you're misunderstanding me. Orchid should have been his first pick up, I was bitching because it took him over 35the mins in a free farm lane to get it. Also bkb wasn't alchemists first item he already had radiance and maybe vanguard(can't remember).
Also im not saying battlefury is the best item for gondar, im saying its definitely a viable item on himk especially in pubs.
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On February 22 2012 18:28 Psycho_Gemni wrote:
I never played dota 1, so I went and tested the Ghost Scepter thing out with Drow Ranger. It worked, but I was unable to orb through Ethereal Blade, was very disappoited \= Is this the same as in Dota 1?
It's the same in DotA 1. While you can get around the "can't attack" part of the Ethereal debuff on yourself by manual-casting orbs, you still can't target an Ethereal target with orbs, even with manual casting.
The strange exception to this is Pugna equipped with orb effect items like Mjollnir or Stygian, as he was coded to use a secondary attack that does magic damage in those cases. Just a cute little trick--not sure if they ported it to DotA 2.
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On February 22 2012 19:26 PHILtheTANK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 19:13 Unleashing wrote:On February 22 2012 19:02 PHILtheTANK wrote:On February 22 2012 18:43 Unleashing wrote:On February 22 2012 18:39 cilinder007 wrote:On February 22 2012 18:12 jfourz wrote:
played with a riki today who went 0-12 and had phase + basher + mom @ 45 min
"riki why don't you get agi items?" asks a team mate
"my passive makes me do enough dmg already, i know what im doing"
uninstalled dota 2 on the spot riki goes mom in competitive games sometimes, just not phase boots MoM is never a good idea unless you're winning by a huge amount or you need to take a risk. :/ I've seen competitive voids throw the game by getting a MoM, any half decent team will focus you for a second and watch you die. MoM works ocasionally if you're chasing or can make sure they wont leave your smoke. I've been playing DotA2 for quite a while and all my games are in the 'high' skill level and my team-mates don't make stupid items anymore and everybody kind of knows what they're doing. Gondars geting deso over battlefury and the likes. My games are also in the "high" skill level, and they're filled with idiots. Today our Broodmother who got a 35 min orchid(first item after ring of aquilius or w/e its called) was bitching that our alchemist got a BKB, "WOW ALCHEMIST GETTING BKB... WAY TO BUILD LIKE A FUCKING TANK AND BE USELESS". Also battlefury isn't a bad item on gondar if you are farming really well. *sigh* Orchid is a great first item on brood. But that is a quite late orchid. And if BKB was his first item it indeed was very stupid since he is naturally tanky trough his stat-gain and ult and building some armor makes him fairly beefy already. Also, let's see. Battlefury makes your farming better while deso let's you gank a lot better. A hero with a built in ability that gives him more gold trough ganking and killing than he can get trough jungling + his team in the area gest a boost of gold too almost making killing a hero like killing a tower for your entire team. He is best built as a killing machine over a farm-machine, there are other carries that scale better with the farm build since they're not the ganking monsters gondar is. Getting a medallion + deso let's you gank 10 times more effeciently than a BF does. And in some situations i'd argue that an orchid is the best item for him to get first, against certain line-ups. I think you're misunderstanding me. Orchid should have been his first pick up, I was bitching because it took him over 35the mins in a free farm lane to get it. Also bkb wasn't alchemists first item he already had radiance and maybe vanguard(can't remember). Also im not saying battlefury is the best item for gondar, im saying its definitely a viable item on himk especially in pubs.
Depending on your enemies, your alchemist might have been quite stupid then. Alchemist has really really bad base-armor and if he built zero armor items the BKB would maybe save him from magic damage but not any kind of physical attacks. An assault cuirass is very core on alchemist for that very reason, fixes his armor problems.
But I don't know, your MMR might not be high enough yet then, i don't meet those kind of idiots anymore and i haven't for quite some time. My teammates know what they're doing and so does my enemies.
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Even if you need defense against magic damage, I don't see why you'd get BKB on Alchemist when Hood/Pipe are good for him.
Especially if he's already got Vanguard, Hood is a smoother addition to your items than BKB.
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On February 22 2012 19:37 TheYango wrote:
Even if you need defense against magic damage, I don't see why you'd get BKB on Alchemist when Hood/Pipe are good for him.
The pipe would be ideal since he's tanky as hell already and it helps his team.
Also, you can't tell me that: dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=16827
Wouldn't make DotA 100 times more awesome :D
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On February 22 2012 19:33 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 19:26 PHILtheTANK wrote:On February 22 2012 19:13 Unleashing wrote:On February 22 2012 19:02 PHILtheTANK wrote:On February 22 2012 18:43 Unleashing wrote:On February 22 2012 18:39 cilinder007 wrote:On February 22 2012 18:12 jfourz wrote:
played with a riki today who went 0-12 and had phase + basher + mom @ 45 min
"riki why don't you get agi items?" asks a team mate
"my passive makes me do enough dmg already, i know what im doing"
uninstalled dota 2 on the spot riki goes mom in competitive games sometimes, just not phase boots MoM is never a good idea unless you're winning by a huge amount or you need to take a risk. :/ I've seen competitive voids throw the game by getting a MoM, any half decent team will focus you for a second and watch you die. MoM works ocasionally if you're chasing or can make sure they wont leave your smoke. I've been playing DotA2 for quite a while and all my games are in the 'high' skill level and my team-mates don't make stupid items anymore and everybody kind of knows what they're doing. Gondars geting deso over battlefury and the likes. My games are also in the "high" skill level, and they're filled with idiots. Today our Broodmother who got a 35 min orchid(first item after ring of aquilius or w/e its called) was bitching that our alchemist got a BKB, "WOW ALCHEMIST GETTING BKB... WAY TO BUILD LIKE A FUCKING TANK AND BE USELESS". Also battlefury isn't a bad item on gondar if you are farming really well. *sigh* Orchid is a great first item on brood. But that is a quite late orchid. And if BKB was his first item it indeed was very stupid since he is naturally tanky trough his stat-gain and ult and building some armor makes him fairly beefy already. Also, let's see. Battlefury makes your farming better while deso let's you gank a lot better. A hero with a built in ability that gives him more gold trough ganking and killing than he can get trough jungling + his team in the area gest a boost of gold too almost making killing a hero like killing a tower for your entire team. He is best built as a killing machine over a farm-machine, there are other carries that scale better with the farm build since they're not the ganking monsters gondar is. Getting a medallion + deso let's you gank 10 times more effeciently than a BF does. And in some situations i'd argue that an orchid is the best item for him to get first, against certain line-ups. I think you're misunderstanding me. Orchid should have been his first pick up, I was bitching because it took him over 35the mins in a free farm lane to get it. Also bkb wasn't alchemists first item he already had radiance and maybe vanguard(can't remember). Also im not saying battlefury is the best item for gondar, im saying its definitely a viable item on himk especially in pubs. Depending on your enemies, your alchemist might have been quite stupid then. Alchemist has really really bad base-armor and if he built zero armor items the BKB would maybe save him from magic damage but not any kind of physical attacks. An assault cuirass is very core on alchemist for that very reason, fixes his armor problems. But I don't know, your MMR might not be high enough yet then, i don't meet those kind of idiots anymore and i haven't for quite some time. My teammates know what they're doing and so does my enemies.
The only physical damage dealer on their team was morph. And I don't really see how picking up a bkb 40 mins into the game on alchemist is bad.
And regardless the whole point is that our broodmother who takes 35+ mins to farm an orchid is flipping shit because alchemist is "building tanky items"
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On February 22 2012 19:45 PHILtheTANK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 19:33 Unleashing wrote:On February 22 2012 19:26 PHILtheTANK wrote:On February 22 2012 19:13 Unleashing wrote:On February 22 2012 19:02 PHILtheTANK wrote:On February 22 2012 18:43 Unleashing wrote:On February 22 2012 18:39 cilinder007 wrote:On February 22 2012 18:12 jfourz wrote:
played with a riki today who went 0-12 and had phase + basher + mom @ 45 min
"riki why don't you get agi items?" asks a team mate
"my passive makes me do enough dmg already, i know what im doing"
uninstalled dota 2 on the spot riki goes mom in competitive games sometimes, just not phase boots MoM is never a good idea unless you're winning by a huge amount or you need to take a risk. :/ I've seen competitive voids throw the game by getting a MoM, any half decent team will focus you for a second and watch you die. MoM works ocasionally if you're chasing or can make sure they wont leave your smoke. I've been playing DotA2 for quite a while and all my games are in the 'high' skill level and my team-mates don't make stupid items anymore and everybody kind of knows what they're doing. Gondars geting deso over battlefury and the likes. My games are also in the "high" skill level, and they're filled with idiots. Today our Broodmother who got a 35 min orchid(first item after ring of aquilius or w/e its called) was bitching that our alchemist got a BKB, "WOW ALCHEMIST GETTING BKB... WAY TO BUILD LIKE A FUCKING TANK AND BE USELESS". Also battlefury isn't a bad item on gondar if you are farming really well. *sigh* Orchid is a great first item on brood. But that is a quite late orchid. And if BKB was his first item it indeed was very stupid since he is naturally tanky trough his stat-gain and ult and building some armor makes him fairly beefy already. Also, let's see. Battlefury makes your farming better while deso let's you gank a lot better. A hero with a built in ability that gives him more gold trough ganking and killing than he can get trough jungling + his team in the area gest a boost of gold too almost making killing a hero like killing a tower for your entire team. He is best built as a killing machine over a farm-machine, there are other carries that scale better with the farm build since they're not the ganking monsters gondar is. Getting a medallion + deso let's you gank 10 times more effeciently than a BF does. And in some situations i'd argue that an orchid is the best item for him to get first, against certain line-ups. I think you're misunderstanding me. Orchid should have been his first pick up, I was bitching because it took him over 35the mins in a free farm lane to get it. Also bkb wasn't alchemists first item he already had radiance and maybe vanguard(can't remember). Also im not saying battlefury is the best item for gondar, im saying its definitely a viable item on himk especially in pubs. Depending on your enemies, your alchemist might have been quite stupid then. Alchemist has really really bad base-armor and if he built zero armor items the BKB would maybe save him from magic damage but not any kind of physical attacks. An assault cuirass is very core on alchemist for that very reason, fixes his armor problems. But I don't know, your MMR might not be high enough yet then, i don't meet those kind of idiots anymore and i haven't for quite some time. My teammates know what they're doing and so does my enemies. The only physical damage dealer on their team was morph. And I don't really see how picking up a bkb 40 mins into the game on alchemist is bad.
If they had that much magic damage a pipe would indeed help your team a lot more and help you survive magic damage all the time instead of eventually only 5 seconds and it'll help all of your team.
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On February 22 2012 19:47 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 19:45 PHILtheTANK wrote:On February 22 2012 19:33 Unleashing wrote:On February 22 2012 19:26 PHILtheTANK wrote:On February 22 2012 19:13 Unleashing wrote:On February 22 2012 19:02 PHILtheTANK wrote:On February 22 2012 18:43 Unleashing wrote:On February 22 2012 18:39 cilinder007 wrote:On February 22 2012 18:12 jfourz wrote:
played with a riki today who went 0-12 and had phase + basher + mom @ 45 min
"riki why don't you get agi items?" asks a team mate
"my passive makes me do enough dmg already, i know what im doing"
uninstalled dota 2 on the spot riki goes mom in competitive games sometimes, just not phase boots MoM is never a good idea unless you're winning by a huge amount or you need to take a risk. :/ I've seen competitive voids throw the game by getting a MoM, any half decent team will focus you for a second and watch you die. MoM works ocasionally if you're chasing or can make sure they wont leave your smoke. I've been playing DotA2 for quite a while and all my games are in the 'high' skill level and my team-mates don't make stupid items anymore and everybody kind of knows what they're doing. Gondars geting deso over battlefury and the likes. My games are also in the "high" skill level, and they're filled with idiots. Today our Broodmother who got a 35 min orchid(first item after ring of aquilius or w/e its called) was bitching that our alchemist got a BKB, "WOW ALCHEMIST GETTING BKB... WAY TO BUILD LIKE A FUCKING TANK AND BE USELESS". Also battlefury isn't a bad item on gondar if you are farming really well. *sigh* Orchid is a great first item on brood. But that is a quite late orchid. And if BKB was his first item it indeed was very stupid since he is naturally tanky trough his stat-gain and ult and building some armor makes him fairly beefy already. Also, let's see. Battlefury makes your farming better while deso let's you gank a lot better. A hero with a built in ability that gives him more gold trough ganking and killing than he can get trough jungling + his team in the area gest a boost of gold too almost making killing a hero like killing a tower for your entire team. He is best built as a killing machine over a farm-machine, there are other carries that scale better with the farm build since they're not the ganking monsters gondar is. Getting a medallion + deso let's you gank 10 times more effeciently than a BF does. And in some situations i'd argue that an orchid is the best item for him to get first, against certain line-ups. I think you're misunderstanding me. Orchid should have been his first pick up, I was bitching because it took him over 35the mins in a free farm lane to get it. Also bkb wasn't alchemists first item he already had radiance and maybe vanguard(can't remember). Also im not saying battlefury is the best item for gondar, im saying its definitely a viable item on himk especially in pubs. Depending on your enemies, your alchemist might have been quite stupid then. Alchemist has really really bad base-armor and if he built zero armor items the BKB would maybe save him from magic damage but not any kind of physical attacks. An assault cuirass is very core on alchemist for that very reason, fixes his armor problems. But I don't know, your MMR might not be high enough yet then, i don't meet those kind of idiots anymore and i haven't for quite some time. My teammates know what they're doing and so does my enemies. The only physical damage dealer on their team was morph. And I don't really see how picking up a bkb 40 mins into the game on alchemist is bad. If they had that much magic damage a pipe would indeed help your team a lot more and help you survive magic damage all the time instead of eventually only 5 seconds and it'll help all of your team.
Rofl dude im not even talking to u anymore. U just keep trying to prove that it was somehow the alchemists fault and he was building wrong. We already had a pipe on pugna
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On February 22 2012 19:50 PHILtheTANK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 19:47 Unleashing wrote:On February 22 2012 19:45 PHILtheTANK wrote:On February 22 2012 19:33 Unleashing wrote:On February 22 2012 19:26 PHILtheTANK wrote:On February 22 2012 19:13 Unleashing wrote:On February 22 2012 19:02 PHILtheTANK wrote:On February 22 2012 18:43 Unleashing wrote:On February 22 2012 18:39 cilinder007 wrote:On February 22 2012 18:12 jfourz wrote:
played with a riki today who went 0-12 and had phase + basher + mom @ 45 min
"riki why don't you get agi items?" asks a team mate
"my passive makes me do enough dmg already, i know what im doing"
uninstalled dota 2 on the spot riki goes mom in competitive games sometimes, just not phase boots MoM is never a good idea unless you're winning by a huge amount or you need to take a risk. :/ I've seen competitive voids throw the game by getting a MoM, any half decent team will focus you for a second and watch you die. MoM works ocasionally if you're chasing or can make sure they wont leave your smoke. I've been playing DotA2 for quite a while and all my games are in the 'high' skill level and my team-mates don't make stupid items anymore and everybody kind of knows what they're doing. Gondars geting deso over battlefury and the likes. My games are also in the "high" skill level, and they're filled with idiots. Today our Broodmother who got a 35 min orchid(first item after ring of aquilius or w/e its called) was bitching that our alchemist got a BKB, "WOW ALCHEMIST GETTING BKB... WAY TO BUILD LIKE A FUCKING TANK AND BE USELESS". Also battlefury isn't a bad item on gondar if you are farming really well. *sigh* Orchid is a great first item on brood. But that is a quite late orchid. And if BKB was his first item it indeed was very stupid since he is naturally tanky trough his stat-gain and ult and building some armor makes him fairly beefy already. Also, let's see. Battlefury makes your farming better while deso let's you gank a lot better. A hero with a built in ability that gives him more gold trough ganking and killing than he can get trough jungling + his team in the area gest a boost of gold too almost making killing a hero like killing a tower for your entire team. He is best built as a killing machine over a farm-machine, there are other carries that scale better with the farm build since they're not the ganking monsters gondar is. Getting a medallion + deso let's you gank 10 times more effeciently than a BF does. And in some situations i'd argue that an orchid is the best item for him to get first, against certain line-ups. I think you're misunderstanding me. Orchid should have been his first pick up, I was bitching because it took him over 35the mins in a free farm lane to get it. Also bkb wasn't alchemists first item he already had radiance and maybe vanguard(can't remember). Also im not saying battlefury is the best item for gondar, im saying its definitely a viable item on himk especially in pubs. Depending on your enemies, your alchemist might have been quite stupid then. Alchemist has really really bad base-armor and if he built zero armor items the BKB would maybe save him from magic damage but not any kind of physical attacks. An assault cuirass is very core on alchemist for that very reason, fixes his armor problems. But I don't know, your MMR might not be high enough yet then, i don't meet those kind of idiots anymore and i haven't for quite some time. My teammates know what they're doing and so does my enemies. The only physical damage dealer on their team was morph. And I don't really see how picking up a bkb 40 mins into the game on alchemist is bad. If they had that much magic damage a pipe would indeed help your team a lot more and help you survive magic damage all the time instead of eventually only 5 seconds and it'll help all of your team. Rofl dude im not even talking to u anymore. U just keep trying to prove that it was somehow the alchemists fault and he was building wrong. We already had a pipe on pugna
What? No i am not. I'm just saying that BKB is not really that most effecient item on alchemist. I didn't say it was your alchs fault or that he was building wrong. I'm saying it's not the most effecient item, there's a big difference.
And if you already had a pipe a hood should be all he needed. I didn't say brood did the right thing because a 20 minute orchid is to be expected of a brood with the farming potential. She obviously has no place to blame anybody since she was playing incredibly bad.
And obviously you are talking to me since you're quoting me. :/
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