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On February 09 2012 01:47 Durak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 00:34 Kipsate wrote:...
Dagon, it looks so weird and it doesnt have a good sound I feel aswell as mjolnir/maelstrom, however I do think that this might be better because lightning all the things would be bad for spectatorship value and might clutter teamfights(see HoN for example)... HoN is not as cluttered in team fights as non-players seem to be believe. It's simply ignorance and prejudice: any dota-game simply takes getting used to. In fact, HoN is currently far better spectator-wise than Dota and Dota2 are. HoN has a much better spectator interface for both the casters and the people watching. This allows the observers to get a better sense of what is going on in the game.
dont compare a game in beta with a game released for years... I have faith in valve.
If they make everything customize-able like TF2 UI, dota2 will be the most awesome Dota-title out there.
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On February 09 2012 01:47 Durak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 00:34 Kipsate wrote:...
Dagon, it looks so weird and it doesnt have a good sound I feel aswell as mjolnir/maelstrom, however I do think that this might be better because lightning all the things would be bad for spectatorship value and might clutter teamfights(see HoN for example)... HoN is not as cluttered in team fights as non-players seem to be believe. It's simply ignorance and prejudice: any dota-game simply takes getting used to. In fact, HoN is currently far better spectator-wise than Dota and Dota2 are. HoN has a much better spectator interface for both the casters and the people watching. This allows the observers to get a better sense of what is going on in the game.
dota2 needs more man power on design and development. seems like it'll need another year just to get to expectations and more at this rate :/
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On February 09 2012 00:43 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 00:34 Kipsate wrote:
Perhaps completly unrelated right now but does anyone feel like some things dont have the same oomph in dota 2?the game is amazing and I like most if not all of the models and sounds(especially tidehunter) but still I find some stuff to be meh
Dagon, it looks so weird and it doesnt have a good sound I feel aswell as mjolnir/maelstrom, however I do think that this might be better because lightning all the things would be bad for spectatorship value and might clutter teamfights(see HoN for example)
Both Kunka and Omniknight, now I know they can't copy directly but there was something about Omni wearing a fucking hammer with 2 hands and slamming face aswell as Kunka with his giant sword, awesome hat and cape.
now he is just a meh captain or something.
troll batrider right now just feels like he is a rapist on a bat or something.
ow yeah and Storm spirit is no longer a panda but I said that so many times already, still I have come to terms with the mexican due to his awesome voice acting.
thats just personal preference though. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: SHADOWFIEND...Y U NO PIMP STRIDE Seriously though, Shadowfiend's model/animations were way cooler in DotA 1.
they also change the aoe of his nuke. there a lot of things that feel a little awkward at first but you get through it 
On February 09 2012 02:21 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 01:47 Durak wrote:On February 09 2012 00:34 Kipsate wrote:...
Dagon, it looks so weird and it doesnt have a good sound I feel aswell as mjolnir/maelstrom, however I do think that this might be better because lightning all the things would be bad for spectatorship value and might clutter teamfights(see HoN for example)... HoN is not as cluttered in team fights as non-players seem to be believe. It's simply ignorance and prejudice: any dota-game simply takes getting used to. In fact, HoN is currently far better spectator-wise than Dota and Dota2 are. HoN has a much better spectator interface for both the casters and the people watching. This allows the observers to get a better sense of what is going on in the game. dota2 needs more man power on design and development. seems like it'll need another year just to get to expectations and more at this rate :/
yea the game that had a 1.6 million dollar prize pool needs more man power. some is bitter because he didnt get access to the beta.
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On February 09 2012 02:29 Font wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 00:43 TheYango wrote:On February 09 2012 00:34 Kipsate wrote:
Perhaps completly unrelated right now but does anyone feel like some things dont have the same oomph in dota 2?the game is amazing and I like most if not all of the models and sounds(especially tidehunter) but still I find some stuff to be meh
Dagon, it looks so weird and it doesnt have a good sound I feel aswell as mjolnir/maelstrom, however I do think that this might be better because lightning all the things would be bad for spectatorship value and might clutter teamfights(see HoN for example)
Both Kunka and Omniknight, now I know they can't copy directly but there was something about Omni wearing a fucking hammer with 2 hands and slamming face aswell as Kunka with his giant sword, awesome hat and cape.
now he is just a meh captain or something.
troll batrider right now just feels like he is a rapist on a bat or something.
ow yeah and Storm spirit is no longer a panda but I said that so many times already, still I have come to terms with the mexican due to his awesome voice acting.
thats just personal preference though. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: SHADOWFIEND...Y U NO PIMP STRIDE Seriously though, Shadowfiend's model/animations were way cooler in DotA 1. they also change the aoe of his nuke. there a lot of things that feel a little awkward at first but you get through it Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 02:21 rabidch wrote:On February 09 2012 01:47 Durak wrote:On February 09 2012 00:34 Kipsate wrote:...
Dagon, it looks so weird and it doesnt have a good sound I feel aswell as mjolnir/maelstrom, however I do think that this might be better because lightning all the things would be bad for spectatorship value and might clutter teamfights(see HoN for example)... HoN is not as cluttered in team fights as non-players seem to be believe. It's simply ignorance and prejudice: any dota-game simply takes getting used to. In fact, HoN is currently far better spectator-wise than Dota and Dota2 are. HoN has a much better spectator interface for both the casters and the people watching. This allows the observers to get a better sense of what is going on in the game. dota2 needs more man power on design and development. seems like it'll need another year just to get to expectations and more at this rate :/ yea the game that had a 1.6 million dollar prize pool needs more man power. some is bitter because he didnt get access to the beta.
You're misunderstanding what he means by manpower. In other news Rabid has had access to the beta in ages.
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On February 09 2012 02:29 Font wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 00:43 TheYango wrote:On February 09 2012 00:34 Kipsate wrote:
Perhaps completly unrelated right now but does anyone feel like some things dont have the same oomph in dota 2?the game is amazing and I like most if not all of the models and sounds(especially tidehunter) but still I find some stuff to be meh
Dagon, it looks so weird and it doesnt have a good sound I feel aswell as mjolnir/maelstrom, however I do think that this might be better because lightning all the things would be bad for spectatorship value and might clutter teamfights(see HoN for example)
Both Kunka and Omniknight, now I know they can't copy directly but there was something about Omni wearing a fucking hammer with 2 hands and slamming face aswell as Kunka with his giant sword, awesome hat and cape.
now he is just a meh captain or something.
troll batrider right now just feels like he is a rapist on a bat or something.
ow yeah and Storm spirit is no longer a panda but I said that so many times already, still I have come to terms with the mexican due to his awesome voice acting.
thats just personal preference though. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: SHADOWFIEND...Y U NO PIMP STRIDE Seriously though, Shadowfiend's model/animations were way cooler in DotA 1. they also change the aoe of his nuke. there a lot of things that feel a little awkward at first but you get through it Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 02:21 rabidch wrote:On February 09 2012 01:47 Durak wrote:On February 09 2012 00:34 Kipsate wrote:...
Dagon, it looks so weird and it doesnt have a good sound I feel aswell as mjolnir/maelstrom, however I do think that this might be better because lightning all the things would be bad for spectatorship value and might clutter teamfights(see HoN for example)... HoN is not as cluttered in team fights as non-players seem to be believe. It's simply ignorance and prejudice: any dota-game simply takes getting used to. In fact, HoN is currently far better spectator-wise than Dota and Dota2 are. HoN has a much better spectator interface for both the casters and the people watching. This allows the observers to get a better sense of what is going on in the game. dota2 needs more man power on design and development. seems like it'll need another year just to get to expectations and more at this rate :/ yea the game that had a 1.6 million dollar prize pool needs more man power. some is bitter because he didnt get access to the beta.
valve has less than 300 employees. more money doesn't necessarily mean more developers. of course it will take time to make a good game but some small things are taking too long to get into the game.
also i've been in beta since the NDA lift so i dont know who is bitter here
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On February 09 2012 01:47 Durak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 00:34 Kipsate wrote:...
Dagon, it looks so weird and it doesnt have a good sound I feel aswell as mjolnir/maelstrom, however I do think that this might be better because lightning all the things would be bad for spectatorship value and might clutter teamfights(see HoN for example)... HoN is not as cluttered in team fights as non-players seem to be believe. It's simply ignorance and prejudice: any dota-game simply takes getting used to. In fact, HoN is currently far better spectator-wise than Dota and Dota2 are. HoN has a much better spectator interface for both the casters and the people watching. This allows the observers to get a better sense of what is going on in the game.
I didnt mean the UI of the game, more like so the effects and the darkness, maybe its personal and I admittedly haven't watched alot of HoN competitive wise but I found it an extreme mix of colors compared to dota 2's simplicty in graphics.
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NDA lift, impressive, tell me more
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On February 09 2012 02:29 Font wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 00:43 TheYango wrote:On February 09 2012 00:34 Kipsate wrote:
Perhaps completly unrelated right now but does anyone feel like some things dont have the same oomph in dota 2?the game is amazing and I like most if not all of the models and sounds(especially tidehunter) but still I find some stuff to be meh
Dagon, it looks so weird and it doesnt have a good sound I feel aswell as mjolnir/maelstrom, however I do think that this might be better because lightning all the things would be bad for spectatorship value and might clutter teamfights(see HoN for example)
Both Kunka and Omniknight, now I know they can't copy directly but there was something about Omni wearing a fucking hammer with 2 hands and slamming face aswell as Kunka with his giant sword, awesome hat and cape.
now he is just a meh captain or something.
troll batrider right now just feels like he is a rapist on a bat or something.
ow yeah and Storm spirit is no longer a panda but I said that so many times already, still I have come to terms with the mexican due to his awesome voice acting.
thats just personal preference though. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: SHADOWFIEND...Y U NO PIMP STRIDE Seriously though, Shadowfiend's model/animations were way cooler in DotA 1. they also change the aoe of his nuke. there a lot of things that feel a little awkward at first but you get through it Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 02:21 rabidch wrote:On February 09 2012 01:47 Durak wrote:On February 09 2012 00:34 Kipsate wrote:...
Dagon, it looks so weird and it doesnt have a good sound I feel aswell as mjolnir/maelstrom, however I do think that this might be better because lightning all the things would be bad for spectatorship value and might clutter teamfights(see HoN for example)... HoN is not as cluttered in team fights as non-players seem to be believe. It's simply ignorance and prejudice: any dota-game simply takes getting used to. In fact, HoN is currently far better spectator-wise than Dota and Dota2 are. HoN has a much better spectator interface for both the casters and the people watching. This allows the observers to get a better sense of what is going on in the game. dota2 needs more man power on design and development. seems like it'll need another year just to get to expectations and more at this rate :/ yea the game that had a 1.6 million dollar prize pool needs more man power. some is bitter because he didnt get access to the beta.
How is a 1.6 million prize pool relevant to the manpower in dota 2?
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On February 09 2012 03:06 Font wrote:
NDA lift, impressive, tell me more
right, that was back in late september.
btw, i recommend you to read TL's 10 commandments again
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On February 09 2012 01:17 rabidch wrote:
dagon and chain lightning missing the awesome crashing sound they used to have. same with neutral creeps and necro books, all or nearly silent spell effects. theres a lot of good sounds missing from the game that could add a lot, unfortunately seems like valve has priorities on other things
Personally, I don't see why Dagon can't just use the same sound effect as Lion's ult. The sound for that is great, and they're like the same effect.
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One thing I don't understand is why they haven't implemented a surrender function yet. It's so god damn easy and simple, and makes playing the game much more enjoyable. They work so hard on some luxuries and overlook some of the most basic and necessary functions of a moba game.
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On February 09 2012 03:05 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 01:47 Durak wrote:On February 09 2012 00:34 Kipsate wrote:...
Dagon, it looks so weird and it doesnt have a good sound I feel aswell as mjolnir/maelstrom, however I do think that this might be better because lightning all the things would be bad for spectatorship value and might clutter teamfights(see HoN for example)... HoN is not as cluttered in team fights as non-players seem to be believe. It's simply ignorance and prejudice: any dota-game simply takes getting used to. In fact, HoN is currently far better spectator-wise than Dota and Dota2 are. HoN has a much better spectator interface for both the casters and the people watching. This allows the observers to get a better sense of what is going on in the game. I didnt mean the UI of the game, more like so the effects and the darkness, maybe its personal and I admittedly haven't watched alot of HoN competitive wise but I found it an extreme mix of colors compared to dota 2's simplicty in graphics.
I think it'll just take time to get used to, but overall you're probably right. I've been playing LoL recently while waiting on some basic changes to come in so that playing the game doesn't feel so awful sometimes, but also the minimap is really quite bad in comparison. It's like they wanted it to look in line with everything, but at the same time sacrificed a lot of convenience for the players in order to do so.
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On February 09 2012 03:05 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 01:47 Durak wrote:On February 09 2012 00:34 Kipsate wrote:...
Dagon, it looks so weird and it doesnt have a good sound I feel aswell as mjolnir/maelstrom, however I do think that this might be better because lightning all the things would be bad for spectatorship value and might clutter teamfights(see HoN for example)... HoN is not as cluttered in team fights as non-players seem to be believe. It's simply ignorance and prejudice: any dota-game simply takes getting used to. In fact, HoN is currently far better spectator-wise than Dota and Dota2 are. HoN has a much better spectator interface for both the casters and the people watching. This allows the observers to get a better sense of what is going on in the game. I didnt mean the UI of the game, more like so the effects and the darkness, maybe its personal and I admittedly haven't watched alot of HoN competitive wise but I found it an extreme mix of colors compared to dota 2's simplicty in graphics.
Yeah, I know that's what you meant. I separated them into two different paragraphs because they address different facets of the same issue. The first is that effects take getting used to. I would argue that neither game has a significant advantage in their graphics being more intuitive. The second is that the better spectator UI helps with the effects because you can easily see what has been cast. I was trying to be concise and should have elaborated.
On February 09 2012 02:20 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 01:47 Durak wrote:On February 09 2012 00:34 Kipsate wrote:...
Dagon, it looks so weird and it doesnt have a good sound I feel aswell as mjolnir/maelstrom, however I do think that this might be better because lightning all the things would be bad for spectatorship value and might clutter teamfights(see HoN for example)... HoN is not as cluttered in team fights as non-players seem to be believe. It's simply ignorance and prejudice: any dota-game simply takes getting used to. In fact, HoN is currently far better spectator-wise than Dota and Dota2 are. HoN has a much better spectator interface for both the casters and the people watching. This allows the observers to get a better sense of what is going on in the game. dont compare a game in beta with a game released for years... I have faith in valve. If they make everything customize-able like TF2 UI, dota2 will be the most awesome Dota-title out there.
I'm responding to his comparison; I didn't make it. Your tone leads me to believe that I have something against Dota2 whereas I am simply analyzing differences. I haven't played HoN for months and I have no emotional attachment. I'm simply pointing out unfair biases against the game and instead focusing attention on actual features that add value.
Edit: "substantially more intrinsically intuitive graphics" was a fairly ridiculous sentence.
Edit2: I also want to add that I have faith in Valve and Dota2. I believe that the game will only improve from Beta. However, you can't say that it's incomparable because the maturity of the game is different. That's like saying you can't say whether an Olympic runner is faster than a new born baby; the runner is going to be better until that unrealized potential proves otherwise.
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Are there any good dota forums? Playdota is a flooded with retards. And TL isn't too active yet.
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www.joindota.com is Tobi's website, still growing in terms of like, a forum. It's a good hub for coverage though. Gosugamers is another, then there is www.nadota.com for the north american dota scene or, if you dare, www.reddit.com/r/dota2
But you won't really get more out of any of those forums than you would out of teamliquid's if you're just looking to discuss strategy or something.
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After looking at Reddit for sc2 for 2 days, I will never dare touch it for Dota.
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Smart. I still try to wane myself off of it, its like an absolutely horrible drug...
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I was just wondering if anyone has the same feeling as me, I feel that lina's stun lacks about 50-100 units cast range and shadowfiend nuke lacks aoe on the nuke.
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Rumor has it that next patch (or the next after next) will overhaul spectator UI. Keep your fingers crossed.
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Well spectator UI isn't really a big concern for me or I would assume most people...
Also, some pro players have been going on about how OD is 120% the next hero, whether its more than one or not we'll find out but at the very least OD should finally be put in, which makes sense since it was like 4-6 weeks ago that they put in the skins for OD
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