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The Complete Guide to streaming Dota 2 with OBS

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skyride
Profile Joined January 2011
Scotland103 Posts
November 19 2012 21:56 GMT
#1
Hey guys,

So a few weeks ago I wrote an incredibly in-depth guide to streaming TF2 and it helped quite a few people. I've rewritten the guide from scratch so that's tailored specifcally to Dota 2. If anyone's thinking of streaming or already is, I'd suggest giving it a read. I promise you'll take something away from it.

http://skyride.org/2012/11/the-complete-guide-to-streaming-dota-2-with-obs/
Percutio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1672 Posts
November 19 2012 22:12 GMT
#2
Thanks for the guide, it seems quite fully fleshed out.
What does it matter how I loose it?
skyride
Profile Joined January 2011
Scotland103 Posts
November 19 2012 22:33 GMT
#3
Thanks man, I'll probably add extra things as they pop up. No doubt I've forgotten a couple of things.

Here's a link to what that profile shown in the screenshot produces btw: http://www.twitch.tv/skyride/b/341442131
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
November 19 2012 22:49 GMT
#4
Cool,nice guide. Just... my pc can barely run dota2 and 25+ fps while there are no teamfights.. Iguess I won't be streaming for a while >_>
Dota 3hard5me
CosmosXAM
Profile Joined April 2011
United States121 Posts
November 19 2012 23:02 GMT
#5
Awesome guide, used Xsplit until the beta ended and was pretty sad to see it go. Totally gonna start streaming again, Thanks!
Laugh, and the world laughs with you; Cry, and you cry alone.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34502 Posts
November 19 2012 23:09 GMT
#6
-windowed -noborder -w -h

Why do you suggest this instead of just using the 'borderless window' mode in Dota 2 settings?
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Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
November 19 2012 23:13 GMT
#7
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skyride
Profile Joined January 2011
Scotland103 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-19 23:21:35
November 19 2012 23:19 GMT
#8
On November 20 2012 08:09 Firebolt145 wrote:
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-windowed -noborder -w <WIDTH> -h <HEIGHT>

Why do you suggest this instead of just using the 'borderless window' mode in Dota 2 settings?


Force of habit really. For years there was no way to set the game to borderless from the GUI, Dota 2 is one of the first source games to have it. The feature has been in the engine since HL2:EP1 but the only way to get at until recent was via this launch parameter.

On top of that the Source engine is very touchy about changing resolution while running. You usually need to restart the game after changing the resolution.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 24 2012 03:43 GMT
#9
Very good guide, I'm currently using it to stream.
The only thing I would add is that you might want to clarify a bit more on the scene selection/editing section. It took me a while to figure out how to implement webcams and then a bit longer as to how to resize them.
innociv
Profile Joined April 2010
United States346 Posts
November 24 2012 03:59 GMT
#10
Is there any advantage to this over xplit besides 60fps?

I wouldn't do 60fps anyways since lots of peoples net can't even handle that downstream.

Does it lower your FPS less? I go from capped out to 120 to going around 60fps wiith xsplit.

I don't get why none of the streaming programs use the encoding built into the new intel CPUs. It's essentially be free, then.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 24 2012 07:25 GMT
#11
On November 24 2012 12:59 innociv wrote:
Is there any advantage to this over xplit besides 60fps?

I wouldn't do 60fps anyways since lots of peoples net can't even handle that downstream.

Does it lower your FPS less? I go from capped out to 120 to going around 60fps wiith xsplit.

I don't get why none of the streaming programs use the encoding built into the new intel CPUs. It's essentially be free, then.

You can use AAC audio format instead of the one xsplit has you use, speex. It feels less intensive than xsplit but I think that's likely computer dependent (I'm on an AMD cpu)
skyride
Profile Joined January 2011
Scotland103 Posts
December 01 2012 13:29 GMT
#12
On November 24 2012 12:59 innociv wrote:
Is there any advantage to this over xplit besides 60fps?

I wouldn't do 60fps anyways since lots of peoples net can't even handle that downstream.

Does it lower your FPS less? I go from capped out to 120 to going around 60fps wiith xsplit.

I don't get why none of the streaming programs use the encoding built into the new intel CPUs. It's essentially be free, then.


Yes. This program drops your FPS much much less than XSplit or any of the other alternative software.

Also, the stuff in intel CPU's you are talking about are hardware decoders. When you stream, you are encoding. It's sort of like asking why you can't use your download speed to upload quicker.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12079 Posts
December 01 2012 19:07 GMT
#13
On December 01 2012 22:29 skyride wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 12:59 innociv wrote:
Is there any advantage to this over xplit besides 60fps?

I wouldn't do 60fps anyways since lots of peoples net can't even handle that downstream.

Does it lower your FPS less? I go from capped out to 120 to going around 60fps wiith xsplit.

I don't get why none of the streaming programs use the encoding built into the new intel CPUs. It's essentially be free, then.


Yes. This program drops your FPS much much less than XSplit or any of the other alternative software.

Also, the stuff in intel CPU's you are talking about are hardware decoders. When you stream, you are encoding. It's sort of like asking why you can't use your download speed to upload quicker.


Have you tried comparing it to FFsplit? I found that it didn't draw all that much, though I have no experience of OBS so I can't compare them. (I don't stream any longer, so just curious.)
skyride
Profile Joined January 2011
Scotland103 Posts
December 02 2012 13:06 GMT
#14
On December 02 2012 04:07 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2012 22:29 skyride wrote:
On November 24 2012 12:59 innociv wrote:
Is there any advantage to this over xplit besides 60fps?

I wouldn't do 60fps anyways since lots of peoples net can't even handle that downstream.

Does it lower your FPS less? I go from capped out to 120 to going around 60fps wiith xsplit.

I don't get why none of the streaming programs use the encoding built into the new intel CPUs. It's essentially be free, then.


Yes. This program drops your FPS much much less than XSplit or any of the other alternative software.

Also, the stuff in intel CPU's you are talking about are hardware decoders. When you stream, you are encoding. It's sort of like asking why you can't use your download speed to upload quicker.


Have you tried comparing it to FFsplit? I found that it didn't draw all that much, though I have no experience of OBS so I can't compare them. (I don't stream any longer, so just curious.)


Yes. FFSplit is indeed an improvement over XSplit, but this is a much bigger improvement over both. What it comes down to is the way that OBS is capturing your game (especially now with Game Capture being added) is far less intensive, lag inducing and CPU draining than the way any other streaming software does it. Fun fact: If you're using vhrscrcap with FFSplit, you're using the same stuff as XSplit's Add Screen Region. Splitmedialabs actually bought the rights to VHToolKit so they could use it in Xsplit.
innociv
Profile Joined April 2010
United States346 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 12:34:00
December 03 2012 12:30 GMT
#15
Wow. This runs soooo much better than xsplit.

I was getting 5-20 FPS trying to stream planetside2. With this I get 30-70 which isn't much lower than not having it on.

Does this use the built in encoding that's on Intel HD chips?
Locke-
Profile Joined December 2011
499 Posts
December 03 2012 16:23 GMT
#16
I tried to use it to stream last night just for the fun of it (I don't intent on starting streaming) but all I got was a black screen, even the desktop and stuff.
Anyone know why?
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 17:32:29
December 03 2012 17:27 GMT
#17
Here's a retarded question, if my native res is 1080p, but I have a weak cpu [ e8400 duo core @3.9ghz ] is it worth streaming at a lower res than my native? Is this gonna fuck things up? Thanks.

I could barely stream a watchable stream in sc2 via 640x480 but since I hear obs is much better on my system I might try again. I've upgraded my graphics card since then but same cpu. Basically everything but my cpu is great for streaming. I get 5mb up so that's no problem.

Thanks again for the guide!

Edit: saw the aspect ratio chart, guess ill try those 16;9's
Genie1
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada333 Posts
December 03 2012 17:37 GMT
#18
http://www.speedtest.net/result/2348651811.png

I guess I can't stream then with these results can I? Being Canadian does not have its perks when coming to the internet.
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emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 17:59:47
December 03 2012 17:59 GMT
#19
OBS is amazing. I have a Phenom x4 9550 (2.2ghz) cpu and a gtx280 and can stream in 720p@25fps without much noticeable drop in game fps. If i drop down to 480p i can stream at 30fps without any, and i mean any, performance hit to my games. SC2 and dota2!

Make sure to use the "game capture" and run it in 32 bit mode, as you can't use game capture mode with sc2 or dota2 in 64bit mode! If you have been unable to use the game capture mode on a 64bit system, that is probably why. Just run the 32bit app and all is solved.
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
Contrary
Profile Joined August 2012
104 Posts
December 03 2012 20:37 GMT
#20
On December 04 2012 02:27 Ack1027 wrote:
Here's a retarded question, if my native res is 1080p, but I have a weak cpu [ e8400 duo core @3.9ghz ] is it worth streaming at a lower res than my native? Is this gonna fuck things up? Thanks.

I could barely stream a watchable stream in sc2 via 640x480 but since I hear obs is much better on my system I might try again. I've upgraded my graphics card since then but same cpu. Basically everything but my cpu is great for streaming. I get 5mb up so that's no problem.

Thanks again for the guide!

Edit: saw the aspect ratio chart, guess ill try those 16;9's


Streaming is heavy on the CPU, the others don't matter as much.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
December 03 2012 21:52 GMT
#21
On December 04 2012 02:27 Ack1027 wrote:
Here's a retarded question, if my native res is 1080p, but I have a weak cpu [ e8400 duo core @3.9ghz ] is it worth streaming at a lower res than my native? Is this gonna fuck things up? Thanks.

I could barely stream a watchable stream in sc2 via 640x480 but since I hear obs is much better on my system I might try again. I've upgraded my graphics card since then but same cpu. Basically everything but my cpu is great for streaming. I get 5mb up so that's no problem.

Thanks again for the guide!

Edit: saw the aspect ratio chart, guess ill try those 16;9's


Yes, it's worth it to stream at a lower resolution than your native resolution. In the resolution insert your screen resolution, and then select a resolution from the "Downscale" dropdown until you find one that doesn't lag for you.

I do this with my native 1080p screen to stream in 720p@60fps
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innociv
Profile Joined April 2010
United States346 Posts
December 04 2012 05:29 GMT
#22
I would think that streaming in your native resolution would be more efficient per pixel of processing, but if you don't have the upstream or the processing power to, then you're better off lowering it.
skyride
Profile Joined January 2011
Scotland103 Posts
February 18 2013 22:43 GMT
#23
Hey guys, given this guide a big update, it's a lot better now.
Aui_2000
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada435 Posts
February 19 2013 02:40 GMT
#24
This is the guide I used to get my stream going so thanks skyride :D
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 19 2013 03:26 GMT
#25
Rich posted a really technical overview of the different settings. http://obsproject.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=642
Not really a tutorial but it is a useful resource
skyride
Profile Joined January 2011
Scotland103 Posts
February 19 2013 04:07 GMT
#26
On February 19 2013 11:40 Aui_2000 wrote:
This is the guide I used to get my stream going so thanks skyride :D


Glad to hear it helped you out man! :D
skyride
Profile Joined January 2011
Scotland103 Posts
February 19 2013 04:12 GMT
#27
On February 19 2013 12:26 Nevuk wrote:
Rich posted a really technical overview of the different settings. http://obsproject.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=642
Not really a tutorial but it is a useful resource


To be honest, I've seen most of the guides the OBS devs have put out and i'm not a big fan of them. That one Rich wrote is good because it's bassically just a jargon buster. I get the impression that most guides around are written by people who've just tried a couple of settings and went "ye these are good for me, sound". I spent months going round various top level players in comp tf2 (a game where having less 240fps is completely unacceptable and registry hacks to change mouse settings are pretty standard) and found what worked best in terms of having a minimal impact on game performance. Warchamp's guide is a good example of this. The guy either has an insanely good computer and doesn't realise just how good it is, or has a really high tolerance for frame drops and stuttering.
wigge
Profile Joined August 2011
3 Posts
August 15 2013 10:29 GMT
#28
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