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On August 15 2013 01:11 Kipsate wrote:
Sing is probably waiting until the fallout of TI3 happens and then look around.
Envy confirmed he is officially in KP so. If Arteezy leaves, they would probably snatch Pajkatt and get the Qpad sponsorship. Not sure where Waga mixes in this but I think at this point he is probably considering retiring and going full-caster mode.
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so on navi side its either ppy+kuro or just kuro. Can't wait for the epic shitstorm. #itshappening
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On August 15 2013 01:14 ZiggyStardust wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:11 Kipsate wrote:
Sing is probably waiting until the fallout of TI3 happens and then look around. Envy confirmed he is officially in KP so. If Arteezy leaves, they would probably snatch Pajkatt and get the Qpad sponsorship. Not sure where Waga mixes in this but I think at this point he is probably considering retiring and going full-caster mode.
? EE-Sama plays carry fyi.
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Gotta be weird for the LGD.int guys to just go back home and play in some random mix international team from their bedroom in online tournaments. (if they disband)
I can't see any of them joining a small team with people they haven't played with before.
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On August 15 2013 01:09 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 00:51 TheTuna wrote:
Booting any of the core trio who have placed Top 2 at The International for 3 years now would be nuts. People love to criticize XBOCT and claim that he is "the weakest link" but the fact is that he's a damn good player, and to lose a proven success for an unknown quantity is a bet no team should be willing to take.
I can't see Puppey being kicked as Puppey and Dendi are the face of Na'Vi to most of the team's fans. Firing either of them would be a PR disaster, especially since they have proven that they are still capable of playing the game at a very high level.
If XBOCT is smart he'll reassess the situation once he's gained some distance from the loss emotionally and realize the folly of rocking the boat based solely on emotion for a team which has earned him hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Kuroky being let go I could see as he seems to be the largest cause of internal strife among the team, but firing Puppey could be absolutely disastrous for Na'Vi in terms of retaining the massive fanbase they have come to enjoy. Hvost was having such major issues with Puppey that he ignored some of his calls in-game at the tournament. I don't think Puppey survives very long on the team if Hvost can't get over it. They honestly should have lost to Tongfu had it not been for fountain hooks; Hvost clearly fucked that game up for Na'vi by ignoring Puppey's call. And Kuroky is likely to be let go simply because of language issues. Hvost had a good tournament, but still made alot of bad mistakes that a carry player shouldn't make. Last TI2 was almost a complete joke; it was like the whole team was playing around the fact that he had an extremely limited hero pool. He's expanded his hero pool alot, and he's certainly been better, but I still wouldn't consider him a top 5 carry yet.
I suppose if Xboct is personal friends with the team's higher-ups he might be able to get Puppey fired, but management has to recognize how insane it would be to cut such a popular player at the behest of another player who has proven that he will deliberately ignore instructions and ruin the team's strategy on a whim with hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line.
Xboct may have been with Na'Vi the longest, but Puppey and Dendi are by far the most valuable players on that team in terms of Na'Vi's "brand", if you will, and that may well be enough to protect Puppey even if Xboct wants him gone.
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On August 15 2013 01:27 BlitzerSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:14 ZiggyStardust wrote:On August 15 2013 01:11 Kipsate wrote:
Sing is probably waiting until the fallout of TI3 happens and then look around. Envy confirmed he is officially in KP so. If Arteezy leaves, they would probably snatch Pajkatt and get the Qpad sponsorship. Not sure where Waga mixes in this but I think at this point he is probably considering retiring and going full-caster mode. ? EE-Sama plays carry fyi.
EE-sama has stated time and time again, he will player whatever role his team requires of him.
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On August 15 2013 01:41 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:27 BlitzerSC wrote:On August 15 2013 01:14 ZiggyStardust wrote:On August 15 2013 01:11 Kipsate wrote:
Sing is probably waiting until the fallout of TI3 happens and then look around. Envy confirmed he is officially in KP so. If Arteezy leaves, they would probably snatch Pajkatt and get the Qpad sponsorship. Not sure where Waga mixes in this but I think at this point he is probably considering retiring and going full-caster mode. ? EE-Sama plays carry fyi. EE-sama has stated time and time again, he will player whatever role his team requires of him.
Plus his only competitive success has been on support (DreamHack) although admittedly that one tournament KP got DC'd for fake-nicking they were doing quite well (vs questionable teams) with him as a carry.
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On August 15 2013 01:39 TheTuna wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:09 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 00:51 TheTuna wrote:
Booting any of the core trio who have placed Top 2 at The International for 3 years now would be nuts. People love to criticize XBOCT and claim that he is "the weakest link" but the fact is that he's a damn good player, and to lose a proven success for an unknown quantity is a bet no team should be willing to take.
I can't see Puppey being kicked as Puppey and Dendi are the face of Na'Vi to most of the team's fans. Firing either of them would be a PR disaster, especially since they have proven that they are still capable of playing the game at a very high level.
If XBOCT is smart he'll reassess the situation once he's gained some distance from the loss emotionally and realize the folly of rocking the boat based solely on emotion for a team which has earned him hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Kuroky being let go I could see as he seems to be the largest cause of internal strife among the team, but firing Puppey could be absolutely disastrous for Na'Vi in terms of retaining the massive fanbase they have come to enjoy. Hvost was having such major issues with Puppey that he ignored some of his calls in-game at the tournament. I don't think Puppey survives very long on the team if Hvost can't get over it. They honestly should have lost to Tongfu had it not been for fountain hooks; Hvost clearly fucked that game up for Na'vi by ignoring Puppey's call. And Kuroky is likely to be let go simply because of language issues. Hvost had a good tournament, but still made alot of bad mistakes that a carry player shouldn't make. Last TI2 was almost a complete joke; it was like the whole team was playing around the fact that he had an extremely limited hero pool. He's expanded his hero pool alot, and he's certainly been better, but I still wouldn't consider him a top 5 carry yet. I suppose if Xboct is personal friends with the team's higher-ups he might be able to get Puppey fired, but management has to recognize how insane it would be to cut such a popular player at the behest of another player who has proven that he will deliberately ignore instructions and ruin the team's strategy on a whim with hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line. Xboct may have been with Na'Vi the longest, but Puppey and Dendi are by far the most valuable players on that team in terms of Na'Vi's "brand", if you will, and that may well be enough to protect Puppey even if Xboct wants him gone.
Hvost has enough clout to get almost anyone kicked on that team except Dendi. Him and Zero go way back. If Hvost wants Puppey gone, he's gone. Period. Probably the biggest reason why Hvost is upset with Puppey is likely because of Puppey's relationship with Kuroky, as the two go way back. Kuroky is almost like a 2nd captain on the team. The fact that Puppey wasn't upset at Kuroky's call to GG game 1 should tell you everything.
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On August 15 2013 01:45 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:39 TheTuna wrote:On August 15 2013 01:09 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 00:51 TheTuna wrote:
Booting any of the core trio who have placed Top 2 at The International for 3 years now would be nuts. People love to criticize XBOCT and claim that he is "the weakest link" but the fact is that he's a damn good player, and to lose a proven success for an unknown quantity is a bet no team should be willing to take.
I can't see Puppey being kicked as Puppey and Dendi are the face of Na'Vi to most of the team's fans. Firing either of them would be a PR disaster, especially since they have proven that they are still capable of playing the game at a very high level.
If XBOCT is smart he'll reassess the situation once he's gained some distance from the loss emotionally and realize the folly of rocking the boat based solely on emotion for a team which has earned him hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Kuroky being let go I could see as he seems to be the largest cause of internal strife among the team, but firing Puppey could be absolutely disastrous for Na'Vi in terms of retaining the massive fanbase they have come to enjoy. Hvost was having such major issues with Puppey that he ignored some of his calls in-game at the tournament. I don't think Puppey survives very long on the team if Hvost can't get over it. They honestly should have lost to Tongfu had it not been for fountain hooks; Hvost clearly fucked that game up for Na'vi by ignoring Puppey's call. And Kuroky is likely to be let go simply because of language issues. Hvost had a good tournament, but still made alot of bad mistakes that a carry player shouldn't make. Last TI2 was almost a complete joke; it was like the whole team was playing around the fact that he had an extremely limited hero pool. He's expanded his hero pool alot, and he's certainly been better, but I still wouldn't consider him a top 5 carry yet. I suppose if Xboct is personal friends with the team's higher-ups he might be able to get Puppey fired, but management has to recognize how insane it would be to cut such a popular player at the behest of another player who has proven that he will deliberately ignore instructions and ruin the team's strategy on a whim with hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line. Xboct may have been with Na'Vi the longest, but Puppey and Dendi are by far the most valuable players on that team in terms of Na'Vi's "brand", if you will, and that may well be enough to protect Puppey even if Xboct wants him gone. Hvost has enough clout to get almost anyone kicked on that team except Dendi. Him and Zero go way back.
Yeah, but is Zero willing to potentially torpedo the incredible popularity of Na'Vi just because Xboct can't act like a professional?
Personally I thought that the call to GG game 1 at the 15 minute mark was incredibly smart, but that's just me.
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On August 15 2013 01:47 TheTuna wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:45 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 01:39 TheTuna wrote:On August 15 2013 01:09 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 00:51 TheTuna wrote:
Booting any of the core trio who have placed Top 2 at The International for 3 years now would be nuts. People love to criticize XBOCT and claim that he is "the weakest link" but the fact is that he's a damn good player, and to lose a proven success for an unknown quantity is a bet no team should be willing to take.
I can't see Puppey being kicked as Puppey and Dendi are the face of Na'Vi to most of the team's fans. Firing either of them would be a PR disaster, especially since they have proven that they are still capable of playing the game at a very high level.
If XBOCT is smart he'll reassess the situation once he's gained some distance from the loss emotionally and realize the folly of rocking the boat based solely on emotion for a team which has earned him hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Kuroky being let go I could see as he seems to be the largest cause of internal strife among the team, but firing Puppey could be absolutely disastrous for Na'Vi in terms of retaining the massive fanbase they have come to enjoy. Hvost was having such major issues with Puppey that he ignored some of his calls in-game at the tournament. I don't think Puppey survives very long on the team if Hvost can't get over it. They honestly should have lost to Tongfu had it not been for fountain hooks; Hvost clearly fucked that game up for Na'vi by ignoring Puppey's call. And Kuroky is likely to be let go simply because of language issues. Hvost had a good tournament, but still made alot of bad mistakes that a carry player shouldn't make. Last TI2 was almost a complete joke; it was like the whole team was playing around the fact that he had an extremely limited hero pool. He's expanded his hero pool alot, and he's certainly been better, but I still wouldn't consider him a top 5 carry yet. I suppose if Xboct is personal friends with the team's higher-ups he might be able to get Puppey fired, but management has to recognize how insane it would be to cut such a popular player at the behest of another player who has proven that he will deliberately ignore instructions and ruin the team's strategy on a whim with hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line. Xboct may have been with Na'Vi the longest, but Puppey and Dendi are by far the most valuable players on that team in terms of Na'Vi's "brand", if you will, and that may well be enough to protect Puppey even if Xboct wants him gone. Hvost has enough clout to get almost anyone kicked on that team except Dendi. Him and Zero go way back. Yeah, but is Zero willing to potentially torpedo the incredible popularity of Na'Vi just because Xboct can't act like a professional? Personally I thought that the call to GG game 1 at the 15 minute mark was incredibly smart, but that's just me.
Zero will get rid of anyone that is toxic to the environment. He's not going to get rid of Hvost because Hvost is a personal friend of his. Basically Hvost is 100% protected no matter what. So the only way you can fix the situation is to remove the people who Hvost has issues with.
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On August 15 2013 01:47 TheTuna wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:45 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 01:39 TheTuna wrote:On August 15 2013 01:09 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 00:51 TheTuna wrote:
Booting any of the core trio who have placed Top 2 at The International for 3 years now would be nuts. People love to criticize XBOCT and claim that he is "the weakest link" but the fact is that he's a damn good player, and to lose a proven success for an unknown quantity is a bet no team should be willing to take.
I can't see Puppey being kicked as Puppey and Dendi are the face of Na'Vi to most of the team's fans. Firing either of them would be a PR disaster, especially since they have proven that they are still capable of playing the game at a very high level.
If XBOCT is smart he'll reassess the situation once he's gained some distance from the loss emotionally and realize the folly of rocking the boat based solely on emotion for a team which has earned him hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Kuroky being let go I could see as he seems to be the largest cause of internal strife among the team, but firing Puppey could be absolutely disastrous for Na'Vi in terms of retaining the massive fanbase they have come to enjoy. Hvost was having such major issues with Puppey that he ignored some of his calls in-game at the tournament. I don't think Puppey survives very long on the team if Hvost can't get over it. They honestly should have lost to Tongfu had it not been for fountain hooks; Hvost clearly fucked that game up for Na'vi by ignoring Puppey's call. And Kuroky is likely to be let go simply because of language issues. Hvost had a good tournament, but still made alot of bad mistakes that a carry player shouldn't make. Last TI2 was almost a complete joke; it was like the whole team was playing around the fact that he had an extremely limited hero pool. He's expanded his hero pool alot, and he's certainly been better, but I still wouldn't consider him a top 5 carry yet. I suppose if Xboct is personal friends with the team's higher-ups he might be able to get Puppey fired, but management has to recognize how insane it would be to cut such a popular player at the behest of another player who has proven that he will deliberately ignore instructions and ruin the team's strategy on a whim with hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line. Xboct may have been with Na'Vi the longest, but Puppey and Dendi are by far the most valuable players on that team in terms of Na'Vi's "brand", if you will, and that may well be enough to protect Puppey even if Xboct wants him gone. Hvost has enough clout to get almost anyone kicked on that team except Dendi. Him and Zero go way back. Yeah, but is Zero willing to potentially torpedo the incredible popularity of Na'Vi just because Xboct can't act like a professional? Personally I thought that the call to GG game 1 at the 15 minute mark was incredibly smart, but that's just me.
dragging a sure loss game out for 15 more minutes can be a huge drain on morale. gg go re.
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On August 15 2013 01:53 gosublade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:47 TheTuna wrote:On August 15 2013 01:45 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 01:39 TheTuna wrote:On August 15 2013 01:09 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 00:51 TheTuna wrote:
Booting any of the core trio who have placed Top 2 at The International for 3 years now would be nuts. People love to criticize XBOCT and claim that he is "the weakest link" but the fact is that he's a damn good player, and to lose a proven success for an unknown quantity is a bet no team should be willing to take.
I can't see Puppey being kicked as Puppey and Dendi are the face of Na'Vi to most of the team's fans. Firing either of them would be a PR disaster, especially since they have proven that they are still capable of playing the game at a very high level.
If XBOCT is smart he'll reassess the situation once he's gained some distance from the loss emotionally and realize the folly of rocking the boat based solely on emotion for a team which has earned him hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Kuroky being let go I could see as he seems to be the largest cause of internal strife among the team, but firing Puppey could be absolutely disastrous for Na'Vi in terms of retaining the massive fanbase they have come to enjoy. Hvost was having such major issues with Puppey that he ignored some of his calls in-game at the tournament. I don't think Puppey survives very long on the team if Hvost can't get over it. They honestly should have lost to Tongfu had it not been for fountain hooks; Hvost clearly fucked that game up for Na'vi by ignoring Puppey's call. And Kuroky is likely to be let go simply because of language issues. Hvost had a good tournament, but still made alot of bad mistakes that a carry player shouldn't make. Last TI2 was almost a complete joke; it was like the whole team was playing around the fact that he had an extremely limited hero pool. He's expanded his hero pool alot, and he's certainly been better, but I still wouldn't consider him a top 5 carry yet. I suppose if Xboct is personal friends with the team's higher-ups he might be able to get Puppey fired, but management has to recognize how insane it would be to cut such a popular player at the behest of another player who has proven that he will deliberately ignore instructions and ruin the team's strategy on a whim with hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line. Xboct may have been with Na'Vi the longest, but Puppey and Dendi are by far the most valuable players on that team in terms of Na'Vi's "brand", if you will, and that may well be enough to protect Puppey even if Xboct wants him gone. Hvost has enough clout to get almost anyone kicked on that team except Dendi. Him and Zero go way back. Yeah, but is Zero willing to potentially torpedo the incredible popularity of Na'Vi just because Xboct can't act like a professional? Personally I thought that the call to GG game 1 at the 15 minute mark was incredibly smart, but that's just me. dragging a sure loss game out for 15 more minutes can be a huge drain on morale. gg go re.
Not if you already accepted defeat and are just discussing what to do next game. It was true the game was 100% over, but they should have at least started discussing what to do when they realized their cheese strat in g1 failed.
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On August 15 2013 01:51 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:47 TheTuna wrote:On August 15 2013 01:45 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 01:39 TheTuna wrote:On August 15 2013 01:09 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 00:51 TheTuna wrote:
Booting any of the core trio who have placed Top 2 at The International for 3 years now would be nuts. People love to criticize XBOCT and claim that he is "the weakest link" but the fact is that he's a damn good player, and to lose a proven success for an unknown quantity is a bet no team should be willing to take.
I can't see Puppey being kicked as Puppey and Dendi are the face of Na'Vi to most of the team's fans. Firing either of them would be a PR disaster, especially since they have proven that they are still capable of playing the game at a very high level.
If XBOCT is smart he'll reassess the situation once he's gained some distance from the loss emotionally and realize the folly of rocking the boat based solely on emotion for a team which has earned him hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Kuroky being let go I could see as he seems to be the largest cause of internal strife among the team, but firing Puppey could be absolutely disastrous for Na'Vi in terms of retaining the massive fanbase they have come to enjoy. Hvost was having such major issues with Puppey that he ignored some of his calls in-game at the tournament. I don't think Puppey survives very long on the team if Hvost can't get over it. They honestly should have lost to Tongfu had it not been for fountain hooks; Hvost clearly fucked that game up for Na'vi by ignoring Puppey's call. And Kuroky is likely to be let go simply because of language issues. Hvost had a good tournament, but still made alot of bad mistakes that a carry player shouldn't make. Last TI2 was almost a complete joke; it was like the whole team was playing around the fact that he had an extremely limited hero pool. He's expanded his hero pool alot, and he's certainly been better, but I still wouldn't consider him a top 5 carry yet. I suppose if Xboct is personal friends with the team's higher-ups he might be able to get Puppey fired, but management has to recognize how insane it would be to cut such a popular player at the behest of another player who has proven that he will deliberately ignore instructions and ruin the team's strategy on a whim with hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line. Xboct may have been with Na'Vi the longest, but Puppey and Dendi are by far the most valuable players on that team in terms of Na'Vi's "brand", if you will, and that may well be enough to protect Puppey even if Xboct wants him gone. Hvost has enough clout to get almost anyone kicked on that team except Dendi. Him and Zero go way back. Yeah, but is Zero willing to potentially torpedo the incredible popularity of Na'Vi just because Xboct can't act like a professional? Personally I thought that the call to GG game 1 at the 15 minute mark was incredibly smart, but that's just me. Zero will get rid of anyone that is toxic to the environment. He's not going to get rid of Hvost because Hvost is a personal friend of his. Basically Hvost is 100% protected no matter what. So the only way you can fix the situation is to remove the people who Hvost has issues with.
Fair enough. I guess we'll see.
On August 15 2013 01:55 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:53 gosublade wrote:On August 15 2013 01:47 TheTuna wrote:On August 15 2013 01:45 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 01:39 TheTuna wrote:On August 15 2013 01:09 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 00:51 TheTuna wrote:
Booting any of the core trio who have placed Top 2 at The International for 3 years now would be nuts. People love to criticize XBOCT and claim that he is "the weakest link" but the fact is that he's a damn good player, and to lose a proven success for an unknown quantity is a bet no team should be willing to take.
I can't see Puppey being kicked as Puppey and Dendi are the face of Na'Vi to most of the team's fans. Firing either of them would be a PR disaster, especially since they have proven that they are still capable of playing the game at a very high level.
If XBOCT is smart he'll reassess the situation once he's gained some distance from the loss emotionally and realize the folly of rocking the boat based solely on emotion for a team which has earned him hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Kuroky being let go I could see as he seems to be the largest cause of internal strife among the team, but firing Puppey could be absolutely disastrous for Na'Vi in terms of retaining the massive fanbase they have come to enjoy. Hvost was having such major issues with Puppey that he ignored some of his calls in-game at the tournament. I don't think Puppey survives very long on the team if Hvost can't get over it. They honestly should have lost to Tongfu had it not been for fountain hooks; Hvost clearly fucked that game up for Na'vi by ignoring Puppey's call. And Kuroky is likely to be let go simply because of language issues. Hvost had a good tournament, but still made alot of bad mistakes that a carry player shouldn't make. Last TI2 was almost a complete joke; it was like the whole team was playing around the fact that he had an extremely limited hero pool. He's expanded his hero pool alot, and he's certainly been better, but I still wouldn't consider him a top 5 carry yet. I suppose if Xboct is personal friends with the team's higher-ups he might be able to get Puppey fired, but management has to recognize how insane it would be to cut such a popular player at the behest of another player who has proven that he will deliberately ignore instructions and ruin the team's strategy on a whim with hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line. Xboct may have been with Na'Vi the longest, but Puppey and Dendi are by far the most valuable players on that team in terms of Na'Vi's "brand", if you will, and that may well be enough to protect Puppey even if Xboct wants him gone. Hvost has enough clout to get almost anyone kicked on that team except Dendi. Him and Zero go way back. Yeah, but is Zero willing to potentially torpedo the incredible popularity of Na'Vi just because Xboct can't act like a professional? Personally I thought that the call to GG game 1 at the 15 minute mark was incredibly smart, but that's just me. dragging a sure loss game out for 15 more minutes can be a huge drain on morale. gg go re. Not if you already accepted defeat and are just discussing what to do next game. It was true the game was 100% over, but they should have at least started discussing what to do when they realized their cheese strat in g1 failed.
How are you supposed to rationally and productively discuss what you want to do next game when you're running around the map getting pounded into the ground?
Na'Vi calling the game at 15 minutes and then roaring back with an even bigger 20-minute stomp next game gave the team a massive morale advantage. Na'Vi would not have enjoyed the same kind of momentum if they had not more or less reversed roles from the previous game and instead allowed Game 1 to drag on to 30-35 minutes.
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On August 15 2013 01:45 superstartran wrote:
...The fact that Puppey wasn't upset at Kuroky's call to GG game 1 should tell you everything.
How do you know he wasn't upset? All we have about this entire situation is an angry post from XBOCT, a picture of Na'Vi arguing backstage after Game 1 and zero's tweet that he won't comment until he's spoken to people. Everyone is reading a bit much into that I think...
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On August 15 2013 02:05 Y wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:45 superstartran wrote:
...The fact that Puppey wasn't upset at Kuroky's call to GG game 1 should tell you everything. How do you know he wasn't upset? All we have about this entire situation is an angry post from XBOCT, a picture of Na'Vi arguing backstage after Game 1 and zero's tweet that he won't comment until he's spoken to people. Everyone is reading a bit much into that I think...
Lol did you watch the pod video? Hvost was 100% clearly upset with Kuroky, while Puppey didn't seem like he cared at all.
On August 15 2013 02:01 TheTuna wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:51 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 01:47 TheTuna wrote:On August 15 2013 01:45 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 01:39 TheTuna wrote:On August 15 2013 01:09 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 00:51 TheTuna wrote:
Booting any of the core trio who have placed Top 2 at The International for 3 years now would be nuts. People love to criticize XBOCT and claim that he is "the weakest link" but the fact is that he's a damn good player, and to lose a proven success for an unknown quantity is a bet no team should be willing to take.
I can't see Puppey being kicked as Puppey and Dendi are the face of Na'Vi to most of the team's fans. Firing either of them would be a PR disaster, especially since they have proven that they are still capable of playing the game at a very high level.
If XBOCT is smart he'll reassess the situation once he's gained some distance from the loss emotionally and realize the folly of rocking the boat based solely on emotion for a team which has earned him hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Kuroky being let go I could see as he seems to be the largest cause of internal strife among the team, but firing Puppey could be absolutely disastrous for Na'Vi in terms of retaining the massive fanbase they have come to enjoy. Hvost was having such major issues with Puppey that he ignored some of his calls in-game at the tournament. I don't think Puppey survives very long on the team if Hvost can't get over it. They honestly should have lost to Tongfu had it not been for fountain hooks; Hvost clearly fucked that game up for Na'vi by ignoring Puppey's call. And Kuroky is likely to be let go simply because of language issues. Hvost had a good tournament, but still made alot of bad mistakes that a carry player shouldn't make. Last TI2 was almost a complete joke; it was like the whole team was playing around the fact that he had an extremely limited hero pool. He's expanded his hero pool alot, and he's certainly been better, but I still wouldn't consider him a top 5 carry yet. I suppose if Xboct is personal friends with the team's higher-ups he might be able to get Puppey fired, but management has to recognize how insane it would be to cut such a popular player at the behest of another player who has proven that he will deliberately ignore instructions and ruin the team's strategy on a whim with hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line. Xboct may have been with Na'Vi the longest, but Puppey and Dendi are by far the most valuable players on that team in terms of Na'Vi's "brand", if you will, and that may well be enough to protect Puppey even if Xboct wants him gone. Hvost has enough clout to get almost anyone kicked on that team except Dendi. Him and Zero go way back. Yeah, but is Zero willing to potentially torpedo the incredible popularity of Na'Vi just because Xboct can't act like a professional? Personally I thought that the call to GG game 1 at the 15 minute mark was incredibly smart, but that's just me. Zero will get rid of anyone that is toxic to the environment. He's not going to get rid of Hvost because Hvost is a personal friend of his. Basically Hvost is 100% protected no matter what. So the only way you can fix the situation is to remove the people who Hvost has issues with. Fair enough. I guess we'll see. Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:55 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 01:53 gosublade wrote:On August 15 2013 01:47 TheTuna wrote:On August 15 2013 01:45 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 01:39 TheTuna wrote:On August 15 2013 01:09 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 00:51 TheTuna wrote:
Booting any of the core trio who have placed Top 2 at The International for 3 years now would be nuts. People love to criticize XBOCT and claim that he is "the weakest link" but the fact is that he's a damn good player, and to lose a proven success for an unknown quantity is a bet no team should be willing to take.
I can't see Puppey being kicked as Puppey and Dendi are the face of Na'Vi to most of the team's fans. Firing either of them would be a PR disaster, especially since they have proven that they are still capable of playing the game at a very high level.
If XBOCT is smart he'll reassess the situation once he's gained some distance from the loss emotionally and realize the folly of rocking the boat based solely on emotion for a team which has earned him hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Kuroky being let go I could see as he seems to be the largest cause of internal strife among the team, but firing Puppey could be absolutely disastrous for Na'Vi in terms of retaining the massive fanbase they have come to enjoy. Hvost was having such major issues with Puppey that he ignored some of his calls in-game at the tournament. I don't think Puppey survives very long on the team if Hvost can't get over it. They honestly should have lost to Tongfu had it not been for fountain hooks; Hvost clearly fucked that game up for Na'vi by ignoring Puppey's call. And Kuroky is likely to be let go simply because of language issues. Hvost had a good tournament, but still made alot of bad mistakes that a carry player shouldn't make. Last TI2 was almost a complete joke; it was like the whole team was playing around the fact that he had an extremely limited hero pool. He's expanded his hero pool alot, and he's certainly been better, but I still wouldn't consider him a top 5 carry yet. I suppose if Xboct is personal friends with the team's higher-ups he might be able to get Puppey fired, but management has to recognize how insane it would be to cut such a popular player at the behest of another player who has proven that he will deliberately ignore instructions and ruin the team's strategy on a whim with hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line. Xboct may have been with Na'Vi the longest, but Puppey and Dendi are by far the most valuable players on that team in terms of Na'Vi's "brand", if you will, and that may well be enough to protect Puppey even if Xboct wants him gone. Hvost has enough clout to get almost anyone kicked on that team except Dendi. Him and Zero go way back. Yeah, but is Zero willing to potentially torpedo the incredible popularity of Na'Vi just because Xboct can't act like a professional? Personally I thought that the call to GG game 1 at the 15 minute mark was incredibly smart, but that's just me. dragging a sure loss game out for 15 more minutes can be a huge drain on morale. gg go re. Not if you already accepted defeat and are just discussing what to do next game. It was true the game was 100% over, but they should have at least started discussing what to do when they realized their cheese strat in g1 failed. How are you supposed to rationally and productively discuss what you want to do next game when you're running around the map getting pounded into the ground? Na'Vi calling the game at 15 minutes and then roaring back with an even bigger 20-minute stomp next game gave the team a massive morale advantage. Na'Vi would not have enjoyed the same kind of momentum if they had not more or less reversed roles from the previous game and instead allowed Game 1 to drag on to 30-35 minutes.
Once the game is declared over you just play it like a pub and just stall for time while discussing what's going to happen in the next game. It's something I've done before when I used to play DotA scrims/matches.
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On August 15 2013 02:08 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:05 Y wrote:On August 15 2013 01:45 superstartran wrote:
...The fact that Puppey wasn't upset at Kuroky's call to GG game 1 should tell you everything. How do you know he wasn't upset? All we have about this entire situation is an angry post from XBOCT, a picture of Na'Vi arguing backstage after Game 1 and zero's tweet that he won't comment until he's spoken to people. Everyone is reading a bit much into that I think... Lol did you watch the pod video? Hvost was 100% clearly upset with Kuroky, while Puppey didn't seem like he cared at all.
Yeah, but XBOCT is known for that, whereas Puppey isn't, really. I can't remember any moment where Puppey looked like he was angry with any of his teammates.
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On August 15 2013 01:14 ZiggyStardust wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 01:11 Kipsate wrote:
Sing is probably waiting until the fallout of TI3 happens and then look around. Envy confirmed he is officially in KP so. If Arteezy leaves, they would probably snatch Pajkatt and get the Qpad sponsorship. Not sure where Waga mixes in this but I think at this point he is probably considering retiring and going full-caster mode.
This reminds me of last year when people predicted synderen would go full time commentator.
Cast games with tobi at TI =/= switching careers.
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On August 15 2013 02:10 Y wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:08 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 02:05 Y wrote:On August 15 2013 01:45 superstartran wrote:
...The fact that Puppey wasn't upset at Kuroky's call to GG game 1 should tell you everything. How do you know he wasn't upset? All we have about this entire situation is an angry post from XBOCT, a picture of Na'Vi arguing backstage after Game 1 and zero's tweet that he won't comment until he's spoken to people. Everyone is reading a bit much into that I think... Lol did you watch the pod video? Hvost was 100% clearly upset with Kuroky, while Puppey didn't seem like he cared at all. Yeah, but XBOCT is known for that, whereas Puppey isn't, really. I can't remember any moment where Puppey looked like he was angry with any of his teammates.
Which is why Hvost is upset with Puppey. Puppey is suppose to be the team captain, so he is the one who should decide the game is over (as long as everyone is at a consensus that the game is over). The fact that he's not keeping everyone in check is a big sign that there's alot of disputes going on in the team. I mean, Hvost was already ignoring calls from Puppey prior to the Grand Final, and it was evident there's always been friction between him and Kuroky for a long time.
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I really hope Xboct can put on his big boy pants and deal with whatever issues he's having, because it would be both financially unsound for him and disappointing from a viewer's perspective to break up the core trio of Na'Vi.
On August 15 2013 02:17 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:10 Y wrote:On August 15 2013 02:08 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 02:05 Y wrote:On August 15 2013 01:45 superstartran wrote:
...The fact that Puppey wasn't upset at Kuroky's call to GG game 1 should tell you everything. How do you know he wasn't upset? All we have about this entire situation is an angry post from XBOCT, a picture of Na'Vi arguing backstage after Game 1 and zero's tweet that he won't comment until he's spoken to people. Everyone is reading a bit much into that I think... Lol did you watch the pod video? Hvost was 100% clearly upset with Kuroky, while Puppey didn't seem like he cared at all. Yeah, but XBOCT is known for that, whereas Puppey isn't, really. I can't remember any moment where Puppey looked like he was angry with any of his teammates. Which is why Hvost is upset with Puppey. Puppey is suppose to be the team captain, so he is the one who should decide the game is over (as long as everyone is at a consensus that the game is over).
If there needs to be a consensus that the game is over, then Puppey isn't deciding that the game is over, the team is.
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On August 15 2013 02:18 TheTuna wrote:I really hope Xboct can put on his big boy pants and deal with whatever issues he's having, because it would be both financially unsound for him and disappointing from a viewer's perspective to break up the core trio of Na'Vi. Show nested quote +On August 15 2013 02:17 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 02:10 Y wrote:On August 15 2013 02:08 superstartran wrote:On August 15 2013 02:05 Y wrote:On August 15 2013 01:45 superstartran wrote:
...The fact that Puppey wasn't upset at Kuroky's call to GG game 1 should tell you everything. How do you know he wasn't upset? All we have about this entire situation is an angry post from XBOCT, a picture of Na'Vi arguing backstage after Game 1 and zero's tweet that he won't comment until he's spoken to people. Everyone is reading a bit much into that I think... Lol did you watch the pod video? Hvost was 100% clearly upset with Kuroky, while Puppey didn't seem like he cared at all. Yeah, but XBOCT is known for that, whereas Puppey isn't, really. I can't remember any moment where Puppey looked like he was angry with any of his teammates. Which is why Hvost is upset with Puppey. Puppey is suppose to be the team captain, so he is the one who should decide the game is over (as long as everyone is at a consensus that the game is over). If there needs to be a consensus that the game is over, then Puppey isn't deciding that the game is over, the team is.
It should always be your captain to ask the team if the game is over or not. Also, ultimately he should make the call to say GG or not, or to keep playing. Your 5th position Rubick who plays like a 3rd position Dark Seer should not be calling GG.
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