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Well to be fair kookiez popularized a lot of heroes with he was with clan milk like draconis (even before everyone realized he could kill triple stacked ancient at lvl 7) plus his mk is pretty amazing. Unfortunately it'll take time for them to adapt
To whomever days testie would make a huge impact on the dota 2 scene, that would only happen if e decided to take it seriously instead of playing 1500 mmr trash for money. He did ok with the returners and domain of pain but nothing special
And whoever said tralfmadore would make an impact......lol. He'd be worse than comewithme for team chemistry. Bkid and slickz are legit though
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On August 14 2013 18:27 SkelA wrote: Navi will make their biggest mistake if they chase off Puppey and Kuroki.
They are mad because they lost 3-2 to a better team in the final ? Supports are the most important part of the team and the 2 teams that had the best support duo finished 1st and 2nd in the end You now say Alliance is the better team because they won. The finals being this close I would say the teams are roughly equal. Other arguments could be made that Alliance won because they got Wisp 3 times and Navi got Wisp only 2 times.
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On August 14 2013 21:51 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 18:27 SkelA wrote: Navi will make their biggest mistake if they chase off Puppey and Kuroki.
They are mad because they lost 3-2 to a better team in the final ? Supports are the most important part of the team and the 2 teams that had the best support duo finished 1st and 2nd in the end You now say Alliance is the better team because they won. The finals being this close I would say the teams are roughly equal. Other arguments could be made that Alliance won because they got Wisp 3 times and Navi got Wisp only 2 times. Agreed. I believe that Alliance is just more stable then Na'Vi but in the end these two are neck and neck. The problem is that team chemistry will factor in a lot in playing games and if say XBOCT won't trust Puppey's calls anymore, the teamfights and the general execution of the team can become disastrous!
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On August 14 2013 21:51 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 18:27 SkelA wrote: Navi will make their biggest mistake if they chase off Puppey and Kuroki.
They are mad because they lost 3-2 to a better team in the final ? Supports are the most important part of the team and the 2 teams that had the best support duo finished 1st and 2nd in the end You now say Alliance is the better team because they won. The finals being this close I would say the teams are roughly equal. Other arguments could be made that Alliance won because they got Wisp 3 times and Navi got Wisp only 2 times.
well overall alliance - navi is 5-2 in this tournament. thats not that close tbh.
the finals were closer than what everyone expected.
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On August 14 2013 21:38 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 21:23 Slakkoo wrote:On August 14 2013 19:03 Klonere wrote:On August 14 2013 13:30 tree.hugger wrote:Might add that the HoN team Absolute Legends appears to be switching to Dota 2. I assume they will be AL's new Dota 2 squad. Fnatic 2.0? Anyone know anything about this squad? i watched the stream, as others have said, team is super new to dota, I don't think they need to be added straight away to the list? also AL sponsor yikes I'm going to make Sing to KP the first official transfer of the season, he was stacking with envy last night and there are a few interviews/streams of EE-sama saying its official so I guess we'll just roll with his word. aL ran fun and interesting heroes in HoN, they have great individual skill but I think they must get better as a team. And as for switching to Dota, they have no clue what the Dota heroes that don't exist in HoN does, Kookies wrote iirc "Batrider wtf" You mean Nomad and Monkey King ? :S
Kookiez and co. brought in MK, Nomad, Draconis, they also brought back the fnatic panda and so on. They did much for the scene.
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When is the next tournament supposed to happen?
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On August 14 2013 21:51 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 18:27 SkelA wrote: Navi will make their biggest mistake if they chase off Puppey and Kuroki.
They are mad because they lost 3-2 to a better team in the final ? Supports are the most important part of the team and the 2 teams that had the best support duo finished 1st and 2nd in the end You now say Alliance is the better team because they won. The finals being this close I would say the teams are roughly equal. Other arguments could be made that Alliance won because they got Wisp 3 times and Navi got Wisp only 2 times.
On August 14 2013 06:25 MotherOfRunes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 06:12 nojok wrote:On August 14 2013 05:30 ch33psh33p wrote: Biggest problem with Kuro is that not a single ban needs to be targeted at him. Look at EGM and Akke, all bans used against alliance were nearly specifically for them. The biggest thing a support player needs to have is the ability to force bans, and with Kuro's limited hero pool, he simply doesn't provide that x factor. The bans were towards chen and naga. The biggest thing a support needs to have is skill, same as all positions. He has skill and of course the teams ban rubick more often than not when facing kuroky, it's just that his team does not have good strats based around naga song as much as alliance, and chen was top priority ban against every top chen players during TI. holy shit u guys cant be serious....and the naga egm ban is not purely cause of egm, its also because naga with her ult is poison to an aggressive team like navi. chen aswell. its ridiculous that after such a thread is created, people suddenly hate on kuroky, who was showing only sick plays since he joined navi, just to have something to talk and speculate about. such threads are poison to the community since they create unqualified shittalk and pointless bashing
Sorry, but no.
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On August 14 2013 22:42 Klipsys wrote: When is the next tournament supposed to happen?
Liquipedia doesn't list any upcoming, and I don't think you should expect anything for at least a month or two. It's post-TI. Teams want to sort their shit out, take a break, refresh. Some tournament made the mistake of starting in just after TI2 last year and essentially no one gave a shit.
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I'd really hate to see the Puppey, Dendi, and Xboct core break up further. Not only are they all insanely good, they've played with each other for years now, so breaking that chemistry would be a shame. Also, those guys define the Na'Vi fun and crazy personality.
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On August 14 2013 23:09 elt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2013 22:42 Klipsys wrote: When is the next tournament supposed to happen? Liquipedia doesn't list any upcoming, and I don't think you should expect anything for at least a month or two. It's post-TI. Teams want to sort their shit out, take a break, refresh. Some tournament made the mistake of starting in just after TI2 last year and essentially no one gave a shit. Eizo Cup #7 is in 4 days tho. It usually has a couple of big EU teams playing in it. But given that TI just finished and teams wanna take a break/reassess their rosters, I doubt we'll be seeing many top teams in it.
As far as upcoming big leagues/LANs, none of these have been announced yet, but they're rumored/expected to start within the next couple of months:
TPL6 D2L2 Defense 5 Starladder 7 Dubai LAN (November) ACE tourney (Chinese league) ESWC (October/November) Dreamhack Bucharest may have an event, but it's uncertain (September) Dreamhack Winter will almost definitely have a tourney (November)
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On August 14 2013 23:15 Gentso wrote: I'd really hate to see the Puppey, Dendi, and Xboct core break up further. Not only are they all insanely good, they've played with each other for years now, so breaking that chemistry would be a shame. Also, those guys define the Na'Vi fun and crazy personality.
What Hvost says goes on that team. Hvost has been with Na'vi literally forever, and he and Zero are practically best friends at this point. Even though Puppey is the captain, it's very likely if Hvost is having problems with both Puppey and Kuro, they will likely be removed from the team.
Funn1k isn't going to go because Hvost wanted him from the start when they were looking to change their roster. Dendi is on good terms with Hvost so he wouldn't likely go either. Issue is going to be how Na'vi plays without Kuro and Puppey, as both help facilitate the aggressive style that Na'vi has (despite Kuro's very high price tag as a support).
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Honestly, I don't think Kuroky is bad or is necessarily having communication problems with the team or is a bad fit with Na'Vi. I just think he had a bad tournament, on balance, and if that is enough to see him removed from the roster, so be it.
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There's no real source, "dota2analyst"? What do you guys think if its true?
Text: "Lost to china. ppy+kuro to mouz. rtz to eg . envy+pie to qpad . burning to navi - xboct stays ! . source: dota2analyst"
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Booting any of the core trio who have placed Top 2 at The International for 3 years now would be nuts. People love to criticize XBOCT and claim that he is "the weakest link" but the fact is that he's a damn good player, and to lose a proven success for an unknown quantity is a bet no team should be willing to take.
I can't see Puppey being kicked as Puppey and Dendi are the face of Na'Vi to most of the team's fans. Firing either of them would be a PR disaster, especially since they have proven that they are still capable of playing the game at a very high level.
If XBOCT is smart he'll reassess the situation once he's gained some distance from the loss emotionally and realize the folly of rocking the boat based solely on emotion for a team which has earned him hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Kuroky being let go I could see as he seems to be the largest cause of internal strife among the team, but firing Puppey could be absolutely disastrous for Na'Vi in terms of retaining the massive fanbase they have come to enjoy.
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On August 15 2013 00:50 crayhasissues wrote:There's no real source, "dota2analyst"? What do you guys think if its true? Text: "Lost to china. ppy+kuro to mouz. rtz to eg . envy+pie to qpad . burning to navi - xboct stays ! . source: dota2analyst" https://twitter.com/RyzeDota/status/367667768532815872 That would be funny if it had the pedigree to be called a joke.
As is, its just meaningless words I think. RTZ to EG? BurNing to Na'Vi? yeah....
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On August 15 2013 00:50 crayhasissues wrote:There's no real source, "dota2analyst"? What do you guys think if its true? Text: "Lost to china. ppy+kuro to mouz. rtz to eg . envy+pie to qpad . burning to navi - xboct stays ! . source: dota2analyst" https://twitter.com/RyzeDota/status/367667768532815872 nm, it's obvious trolling :/
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On August 15 2013 00:55 shizaep wrote:oh shite!! those are some big rumours. In the twitter thread it also says, Wyk to mouz, new captain. mouzPaisY confirms.
Well that's obviously a joke. I don't think its true, just wanted to see what everyone thought.
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So has anyone BESIDES EE said that Sing has actually joined Kaipi? EE has been saying that Sing joined them for a while now, but Sing has never commented on it and definitely never confirmed it. Has anyone actually heard Sing say he is joining that team?
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On August 15 2013 00:51 TheTuna wrote: Booting any of the core trio who have placed Top 2 at The International for 3 years now would be nuts. People love to criticize XBOCT and claim that he is "the weakest link" but the fact is that he's a damn good player, and to lose a proven success for an unknown quantity is a bet no team should be willing to take.
I can't see Puppey being kicked as Puppey and Dendi are the face of Na'Vi to most of the team's fans. Firing either of them would be a PR disaster, especially since they have proven that they are still capable of playing the game at a very high level.
If XBOCT is smart he'll reassess the situation once he's gained some distance from the loss emotionally and realize the folly of rocking the boat based solely on emotion for a team which has earned him hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Kuroky being let go I could see as he seems to be the largest cause of internal strife among the team, but firing Puppey could be absolutely disastrous for Na'Vi in terms of retaining the massive fanbase they have come to enjoy.
Hvost was having such major issues with Puppey that he ignored some of his calls in-game at the tournament. I don't think Puppey survives very long on the team if Hvost can't get over it. They honestly should have lost to Tongfu had it not been for fountain hooks; Hvost clearly fucked that game up for Na'vi by ignoring Puppey's call.
And Kuroky is likely to be let go simply because of language issues. Hvost had a good tournament, but still made alot of bad mistakes that a carry player shouldn't make. Last TI2 was almost a complete joke; it was like the whole team was playing around the fact that he had an extremely limited hero pool. He's expanded his hero pool alot, and he's certainly been better, but I still wouldn't consider him a top 5 carry yet.
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Sing is probably waiting until the fallout of TI3 happens and then look around.
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