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zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
September 20 2013 07:05 GMT
#3761
On September 20 2013 15:56 eX Killy wrote:
i feel like everyone's going to be watching jeyo, he's got a lot of work to do.



The last time jeyo played carry for EG wasn't it in the TI3 Qualifiers where he had 0 deaths till the day they got knocked out?
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
September 20 2013 07:19 GMT
#3762
On September 20 2013 16:05 zaii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 15:56 eX Killy wrote:
i feel like everyone's going to be watching jeyo, he's got a lot of work to do.



The last time jeyo played carry for EG wasn't it in the TI3 Qualifiers where he had 0 deaths till the day they got knocked out?


He's also the inventor of "Jeyo Spheres". We'll have to see if he can be consistent and have a large hero pool to work with. I always thought Fear on the 4 was the best place for him to be. His Sven is my favorite thing to see but from the 4 he can make some plays but still be able to take in the situation of the whole game and direct his team. He just always had to worry about people shitting the bed in their role and putting them so far behind it didn't matter what happened. If these guys can play smart and consistent so he doesn't have to worry about them screwing up the basics he can actually lead the team and direct the flow of the game. Its impossible to lead if people aren't doing their basic jobs.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 20 2013 07:23 GMT
#3763
I consider jeyo pretty mediocre as a mid player. Especially when you're gonna go against beasts from China and EU at best he'll go even and play passively. I think they kept him because of his work ethic more than anything.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
September 20 2013 07:25 GMT
#3764
On September 20 2013 16:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I consider jeyo pretty mediocre as a mid player. Especially when you're gonna go against beasts from China and EU at best he'll go even and play passively. I think they kept him because of his work ethic more than anything.


He's the hard carry not the mid though.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 20 2013 07:42 GMT
#3765
On September 20 2013 16:25 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 16:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I consider jeyo pretty mediocre as a mid player. Especially when you're gonna go against beasts from China and EU at best he'll go even and play passively. I think they kept him because of his work ethic more than anything.


He's the hard carry not the mid though.

o

well that's probably the best they could hope for tbh. They have an alliance-ish team. No disrespect to loda but I think in terms of individual talent/impact loda is probably last on Alliance.
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
September 20 2013 07:49 GMT
#3766
I think the fact that LodA can pretty much play any hero that can hard carry is a pretty big impact.
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19346 Posts
September 20 2013 07:55 GMT
#3767
On September 20 2013 16:49 rebdomine wrote:
I think the fact that LodA can pretty much play any hero that can hard carry is a pretty big impact.

true. makes it easy for s4 to prioritize other teammate's heroes or specifically bulldog's
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OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
September 20 2013 08:02 GMT
#3768
I'm not a LodA fan personally. But with Bulldog having a small hero pool (granted he plays a sick furion and sylla) but LodA having a huge hero pool makes them a much better team. It puts their opponents in a box. You ban for the meta and bulldog but you can't really ban for the rest of the team. They'll find a composition to play at the end of the day and even if I don't think LodA is the greatest carry in the history of DotA he'll get by and do a fine job. Like because you want to put Bulldog outside of his comfort zone you've just played into the rest of the teams hands. The ability to do a competent job of playing almost any hero means you can't be outdrafted. You can't hope to stop them all.

I'd like to see Jeyo get to even half that level. You don't have to be the best in the world, you just have to be able to do a competent job at enough heroes so you can't be painted into a corner with bans.
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Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 09:53:24
September 20 2013 09:50 GMT
#3769
On September 20 2013 16:42 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 16:25 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On September 20 2013 16:23 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I consider jeyo pretty mediocre as a mid player. Especially when you're gonna go against beasts from China and EU at best he'll go even and play passively. I think they kept him because of his work ethic more than anything.


He's the hard carry not the mid though.

o

well that's probably the best they could hope for tbh. They have an alliance-ish team. No disrespect to loda but I think in terms of individual talent/impact loda is probably last on Alliance.


Loda routinely makes big plays. He's not as flashy as Xboct (like that 1v3 moment in the finals), but there are times when he just explodes (positively) in fights. He's also a very good positional player, often choosing the best time and angle to engage so that even if his farm's not spectacular he can still make the most of his hero.

I'd have a hard time saying anyone in Alliance is clearly above or below each other - that's the reason they're so good, no real weak links.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
AwfuL_
Profile Joined January 2013
Netherlands6976 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 10:10:50
September 20 2013 10:03 GMT
#3770
On September 20 2013 16:19 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 16:05 zaii wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:56 eX Killy wrote:
i feel like everyone's going to be watching jeyo, he's got a lot of work to do.



The last time jeyo played carry for EG wasn't it in the TI3 Qualifiers where he had 0 deaths till the day they got knocked out?


He's also the inventor of "Jeyo Spheres".


To be fair to Jeyo, there isn't a single carry who hasn't been laughed at for their Chronospheres at some point. Lodaspheres anyone? :D

On September 20 2013 16:49 rebdomine wrote:
I think the fact that LodA can pretty much play any hero that can hard carry is a pretty big impact.


This is said very often and I've wanted to respond to it for a while now. I don't think it's as much 'being able to play every carry hero' as it's having the confidence to say 'yeah sure, i'll play that hero' or 'guys what about this hero?'. Loda strikes me as one of the more confident carry players, and he has said on multiple occasions that he isn't afraid of failure. IMO that is the reason Allaince isn't afraid to pick unpopular carry heroes. I'm sure every pro carry player is able to do well enough on basic rightclick heroes like PA if they would just try. Just a matter of confidence.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19346 Posts
September 20 2013 10:12 GMT
#3771
aui should change his tag to aui_200k
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
September 20 2013 10:22 GMT
#3772
On September 20 2013 19:12 icystorage wrote:
aui should change his tag to aui_200k

well played sir, well played
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Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
September 20 2013 14:21 GMT
#3773
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ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
September 20 2013 15:33 GMT
#3774
Jeyo is a low impact player, through and through. Fear loves him because he's dedicated, but that doens't make up for player skill.
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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
September 20 2013 15:35 GMT
#3775
Dedication usually leads to good things no?
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
September 20 2013 15:42 GMT
#3776
On September 20 2013 23:21 Dattish wrote:

CWM to Sweden, what's he up to?


QPAD would be my guess.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Fwizzz
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines4420 Posts
September 20 2013 15:43 GMT
#3777
On September 20 2013 23:21 Dattish wrote:
https://twitter.com/leCEWEME/status/381045642845384704
CWM to Sweden, what's he up to?


[A]CWM

could be qpad though.
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
September 20 2013 16:48 GMT
#3778
Any news on Chuan yet?
aka Lyra; My favourites: July, Stork, Draco, MistrZZZ, TheStc, LastShadow - www.broodwarmaps.net - for all your mapping needs; check my stream: high masters mech terran: twitch.tv/lyrathegreat
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
September 20 2013 17:17 GMT
#3779
On September 20 2013 11:51 Lodasrecedinhairline wrote:
Demon has been making fun of Fogged and put him on the new EG roster for few times so I didn't think that would be the case. Fogged is actually good, but only on few heroes like Rubick, Leshrac. His hero pool is very small and that's his biggest weakness. I doubt he'll be playing for EG since he had been playing with Dignitas for these past few weeks.

MSS on the other hand, is pretty much 100% confirmed now that he'll be on the new EG roster judging from his recent tweet. I remember someone here mentioning a very detailed information about his education and family issues like he personally knows MSS and said he won't be joining EG for sure. Pretty funny huh...? Same as that Darkfalco being an obs once in EG scrim and spreading aids around that they're doing really bad.

Neat the rumors were wrong, good for mss. Never have I claimed that rumors were guaranteed fact, no have I claimed anything I have been saying was fact rather than rumor.
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
September 20 2013 18:39 GMT
#3780
On September 20 2013 16:19 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 16:05 zaii wrote:
On September 20 2013 15:56 eX Killy wrote:
i feel like everyone's going to be watching jeyo, he's got a lot of work to do.



The last time jeyo played carry for EG wasn't it in the TI3 Qualifiers where he had 0 deaths till the day they got knocked out?


He's also the inventor of "Jeyo Spheres". We'll have to see if he can be consistent and have a large hero pool to work with. I always thought Fear on the 4 was the best place for him to be. His Sven is my favorite thing to see but from the 4 he can make some plays but still be able to take in the situation of the whole game and direct his team. He just always had to worry about people shitting the bed in their role and putting them so far behind it didn't matter what happened. If these guys can play smart and consistent so he doesn't have to worry about them screwing up the basics he can actually lead the team and direct the flow of the game. Its impossible to lead if people aren't doing their basic jobs.

this really isn't fair to Jeyo. He was thrown into the carry role abruptly. Maelk hadn't officially retired yet and they needed a stand in and thats when they started playing with Bamboe. So they put Bamboe off lane, Demon mid and Jeyo on carry all on short notice. Bamboe is an off laner, Demon has played mid plenty. Jeyo got thrown onto a new role on short notice. Of course he was gonna struggle at first. But he really cleaned up his carry play as time went on.

I will trust Fears judgement on this one.
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