6.79 Changelog - Page 68

On October 21 2013 05:03 Najda wrote:
Can someone explain the smoke change? I thought it already did what the new description says.

On October 21 2013 04:45 McTeazy wrote:


they aren't even good on those supports though... what good is 10hp regen for you? and how often do you spend 13 seconds not attacking? i never liked even pre nerf tranquils on those heroes since you need hp so badly as a support. treads are better in every way imo

On October 21 2013 03:51 trinxified wrote:


Yeah because of the Tranqs change, you can't split farm the jungle (lanes too) efficiently and effectively anymore.

That earlier Meepo clone is to help for laning phase early, but it doesn't offset his indirect nerf. That means you'll have to get your farm from a lane, which isn't great either because you're not getting the added XP.

On October 21 2013 05:40 Daralii wrote:

IMO, the fact that his night vision was more than halved is the bigger deal. It'll be hard to even get 4 against a competent team. Scepter change also killed his mid-lategame potential.

Basically, the patch changed Meepo to be a snowball hero while making sure he can't possibly snowball.

On October 21 2013 05:42 Shaella wrote:

? Scepter didn't change. Its still 100% stats

On October 21 2013 05:44 Daralii wrote:

The baseline 30%, I mean. >_<

On October 21 2013 04:54 PhoenixLight wrote:


Go for kills. This patch isn't about farming, it's about being more aggressive. With level four double meepo you can get kills before your opponents even have ult. Every carry's farming capabilities have been nerfed but with his ult he gets a early ganking capabilities.

On October 21 2013 05:55 CosmicSpiral wrote:


There's a huge error in logic with this patch though. The characters that roam and gank the best are already the ones that are most popular in the metagame. This patch may make games more "fun" at the expense of further constricting the character pool.

On October 21 2013 05:57 Shaella wrote:

>further constricting the character pool

Um. No. This patch is going to massively expand the offlaner pool.

On October 21 2013 06:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:


At the expense of the support pool. And it's certainly not going to help the characters who fell out of favor because their gameplans were based on slow pushing the lane instead of being mobile and avoiding/initiating ganks.

On October 21 2013 05:24 LAN-f34r wrote:


Its not so much the regen, but the higher MS and the armor (even when broken) makes them more attractive than any other boots (except maybe BoTs) for a support without mana issues. Then you consider that they are also by far the cheapest boots, you can see why they will be popular on supports.

Also, treads kinda suck on supports (with the exception of a few like silencer and ench who attack a lot). You don't really attack enough to get much out of the IAS, and if you are just getting them for hp then they are much less efficent than a vit booster or bracer or some such.

On October 21 2013 05:55 CosmicSpiral wrote:


There's a huge error in logic with this patch though. The characters that roam and gank the best are already the ones that are most popular in the metagame. This patch may make games more "fun" at the expense of further constricting the character pool.

On October 21 2013 06:05 Shaella wrote:


and what supports are going to completely fall off

Cause you can expect a shit ton of roamer pairs to show up

On October 21 2013 06:26 TheYango wrote:

There was a large percentage of games where the optimal play from supports was to just double/triple pull the defensive trilane and farm levels against an empty off-lane rather than roaming and influencing the game across the map. Obviously this is the scenario this was geared toward.

On October 21 2013 06:32 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I expect certain characters that were already close to irrelevant to become more irrelevant, if that is even possible. Dazzle, Jakiro, Omniknight i.e. the supports who weren't good at roaming and picking off opponents in the first place. Other obscure lane pushers like Death Prophet and Necrolyte weren't addressed much in the patch either. If roamer pairs are going to be the new thing, they will involve the supports that are already popular (Visage, Nyx Assassin, Naga, CM, Rubick, Io) plus a few others like Lion. Maybe Undying and Leshrac will pop up more but Leshrac will still be squishy and lack a good way to disengage from a fight. The dedicated junglers like Chen and Enchantress will undoubtedly stick around.

On October 21 2013 06:32 CosmicSpiral wrote:
It was the smart thing to do once teams realized that it was better to get consistent levels on their supports rather betting their fortunes on protecting a carry/snowballing straight from the early game. And once said supports got their levels, they could afford to run around and set up ganks.

On October 21 2013 06:19 McTeazy wrote:


i think a casual vit booster is an absolute trash support pickup, its not efficient at all

i can see the appeal on cm for the movespeed but i think treads are still way better for the health.

for those saying the regen is good for moving between lanes when youre ganking: 1) doesn't take long enough for 10hp/sec to really regen that much 2) early game there's no way you can afford that as a support

On October 21 2013 07:08 TheYango wrote:

The fact that this change could potentially open up 2-1-2 laning widens the hero pool in and of itself. Necrolyte and DP are both heroes that are more comfortable to lane in 2-1-2. And there are a LOT of supports that are impossible to lane in 3-1-1, or fill a niche that is not relevant in 3-1-1 (e.g. Ancient Apparition, Earthshaker, Lich).


I'm not saying it wasn't smart, I'm saying it's understandable that Icefrog wants to move away from the possibility of games where 8/10 players in the game aren't fighting an enemy hero for the first 6 minutes of the game.