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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 19 2013 06:14 c1neK wrote: why just why? this patch kills mid game team fights so hard :/ farm fest game incoming :/ What patch noted are you reading? | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On October 19 2013 06:22 synapse wrote: what? how you get more gold income, pulling is less useful, trilanes nerfed and jungling in general | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
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Yergidy
United States2107 Posts
On October 19 2013 06:25 trinxified wrote: Trilane nerf and magic resistance nerf will remove Visage from the competitive play right? We may see an increase in aggressive tri's so perhaps not, also, mid-game visage is still the same so he is still a top tier support. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4838 Posts
Treant Protector - Leech Seed damage per pulse reduced from 30/45/60/75 to 24/36/48/60 - Leech Seed number of pulses increased from 4 to 6 (duration from 3 to 4.5) - Living Armor cooldown rebalanced from 15 to 32/26/20/14 - Living Armor manacost increased from 25 to 50 - Nature's Guise cast point improved from 0.5 to 0.3 4.5 seconds of 28% slow, in addition to dealing 20% more total damage, makes Leech Seed a serious killing spell. It's expensive and short-ranged, but a strong chasing nuke from first level. (144 magic damage and the target loses 1.26 seconds worth of movement, in addition to the heal effect.) Gives Treant Protector a little more offensive muscle, and makes first level Leech Seed a lot more effective. Treant Protector used to be pretty wretched at supporting in-lane and preferred to haunt the pull stack. But now he can more credibly join in to get a kill. Nature's Guise could use a little love. Having it trigger 0.2 seconds faster is not big, but it helps. ...and low-level Living Armor got nerfed into the ground. Level 3-4 are still awesome, but the scaling is obnoxiously top-heavy. Normally, the fourth level of an ability is at most four times as good as the first level, and you hope for it to be less than four times as good so there's an incentive to invest one point without going up to four, allowing variety in builds. But fourth level not only blocks up to 560 damage as opposed to 80 for first, it also has a much lower cooldown without a higher mana cost. What the heck. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
Unless there is a personal cd | ||
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BigAsia
Canada451 Posts
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Adrian_mx
Mexico1880 Posts
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c1neK
Poland41 Posts
as a carry player my self if i see team fight and i CANT GUARANTEE 100% win for my team i simply back off why? for example i fight, me and my team gets their carry hero and i see buy back from him I IMMEDIATELY GET OUT. He just used around 1k (given its around 20 mins into the game) gold and HE CANT FARM and I can. From my pov it is worth to BKB in the middle of the map and tp out since with 1 wasted buy back you losse at least 2k gold AND your next death will be that much longer. also due to overall MS nerf diving is A LOT more risky and game rewards a lot more safe play. The only team fight favoring thing is night time but its more for ganking than team fights and since YOU CANT pool reg any more, wards last longer, you get more gold while doing nothing AND pulling is not even worth trying dua/trilanes mid might be common thing. to put it simplest i can game rewards safe play or NS crazy dives with armor from tranq (ROFL DAT BUFF) or perfect pinpoited actions and punishes HARD for any mistake during team fights or dives. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On October 19 2013 06:25 trinxified wrote: Trilane nerf and magic resistance nerf will remove Visage from the competitive play right? I really can't see visage falling off from competative play at all. With the jungle nerfs, lane-ing strength becomes a lot more important. Given how strong visage is in that regard (in addition to his great mid-late game), I can't see him becoming any less popular. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On October 19 2013 06:40 Adrian_mx wrote: Great the patch isnt coming today -.- time to go have fun Got a few days to play the game and remember what it used to be. | ||
Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On October 19 2013 06:48 trinxified wrote: Got a few days to play the game and remember what it used to be. Get those final Huskar/Spiritbreaker games in. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On October 19 2013 06:58 Alur wrote: Get those final Huskar/Spiritbreaker games in. Lol exactly what I'm thinking. Hahahaa! Need to abuse these before patch day. And I really like the upcoming Shadow Blade nerf. Makes it less of a Pub Blade and actually require more thought on when to use. | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On October 19 2013 07:03 trinxified wrote: Lol exactly what I'm thinking. Hahahaa! Need to abuse these before patch day. And I really like the upcoming Shadow Blade nerf. Makes it less of a Pub Blade and actually require more thought on when to use. http://dotabuff.com/players/6449535/matches Needless to say many of my opponents today have complained. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On October 19 2013 07:12 Alur wrote: http://dotabuff.com/players/6449535/matches Needless to say many of my opponents today have complained. Awesome WR booster or get you off a losing streak. I imagine most people know of the upcoming change too, which is salt to a wound. | ||
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Morton
United States152 Posts
On October 19 2013 06:45 c1neK wrote: as a carry player my self if i see team fight and i CANT GUARANTEE 100% win for my team i simply back off why? for example i fight, me and my team gets their carry hero and i see buy back from him I IMMEDIATELY GET OUT. He just used around 1k (given its around 20 mins into the game) gold and HE CANT FARM and I can. From my pov it is worth to BKB in the middle of the map and tp out since with 1 wasted buy back you losse at least 2k gold AND your next death will be that much longer. also due to overall MS nerf diving is A LOT more risky and game rewards a lot more safe play. The only team fight favoring thing is night time but its more for ganking than team fights and since YOU CANT pool reg any more, wards last longer, you get more gold while doing nothing AND pulling is not even worth trying dua/trilanes mid might be common thing. to put it simplest i can game rewards safe play or NS crazy dives with armor from tranq (ROFL DAT BUFF) or perfect pinpoited actions and punishes HARD for any mistake during team fights or dives. Preceding the stage when buybacks have any major difference from 6.78 (24 seconds of no unreliable is negligible when the only use is to contribute more to a team-fight, and 5 extra seconds on your next death isn't too significant), the game is FAR more aggressive now, as the iron-wall defensive trilane is no longer viable, and roaming supports is FAR more enticing than it used to be. Supports set the pace of the early game, and now the supports can't spend the early game farming the jungle; as well as having cheap boots that give a huge m/s boost, regen, and armor boost. Added to that, the offlane creep placement makes pushing the offlane HIGHLY favorable for both sides, so heavy push, offlane heavy lineups are going to be far more common than previously, where anything besides a passive/harassing offlaner was considered a fairly "all in" strategy. Lategame yes, buying back is a LOT less viable than it previously was, which personally is a good thing, more item progression is always fun to see in games (purely opinion). supports are now all chain-smokers (cancer-lancer got nothing on that) | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
It must've been fun playing Skele King + Medusa while the bug existed. :D | ||
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Gheizen64
Italy2077 Posts
On October 19 2013 06:45 c1neK wrote: as a carry player my self if i see team fight and i CANT GUARANTEE 100% win for my team i simply back off why? for example i fight, me and my team gets their carry hero and i see buy back from him I IMMEDIATELY GET OUT. He just used around 1k (given its around 20 mins into the game) gold and HE CANT FARM and I can. From my pov it is worth to BKB in the middle of the map and tp out since with 1 wasted buy back you losse at least 2k gold AND your next death will be that much longer. also due to overall MS nerf diving is A LOT more risky and game rewards a lot more safe play. The only team fight favoring thing is night time but its more for ganking than team fights and since YOU CANT pool reg any more, wards last longer, you get more gold while doing nothing AND pulling is not even worth trying dua/trilanes mid might be common thing. to put it simplest i can game rewards safe play or NS crazy dives with armor from tranq (ROFL DAT BUFF) or perfect pinpoited actions and punishes HARD for any mistake during team fights or dives. Lower MS make diving better, not worse, because you don't actually have to dive past fucking T3 as a nightstalker but you'll probably be able to kill your target under the T1 now. Higher MS make diving impossible because you can retreat so fast that even if the differential is the same, the final positioning is too risky for your enemy to actually dive. | ||
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