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On October 18 2013 15:37 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 15:35 Torte de Lini wrote:
So is jungling completely pointless now for most heroes like Lifestealer/Lycan? I know it wasn't the optimal way to play them, but now it feels even less good. good. That means less random junglers in pubs being terrible and contributing nothing for 30 minutes The only junglers that are gonna exist are gonna be the ones who can be highly active.
It also means a lot of players that don't want to play support end up picking carries and fighting with the hardlaner for cs since they can't just default to jungling ursa, lycan, lone druid, lifestealer, or nature's prophet
Not to mention that ancients medusa is still possible which is far worse than any of those
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I havent had an ancient medusa for a while. Cliff jungling prophets still makes me want to kill myself
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i blame league of legends for making people think junglers are nessicary
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On October 18 2013 15:53 Kuroeeah wrote:
I'm pretty sure a good amount of people will not read the patch notes and aren't keen on their slower xp rate. They just jungle out of their love for farming/World of Warcraft/PvE'ing.
It's more because outside the top 15%, no one really bothers to come disrupt your farm. You might get the occasional "mid who wanted to gank your safe lane but found you instead", but nothing consistent.
"What do you mean I'm making the other lanes bad by jungling? I'm the best, screw the rest!"
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I'm in very high level games or w.e (if the percentile was still accurate) and I still get this afk jungle 1 level every 2 minute shit.
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On October 18 2013 15:58 ViZe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 15:37 Shaella wrote:On October 18 2013 15:35 Torte de Lini wrote:
So is jungling completely pointless now for most heroes like Lifestealer/Lycan? I know it wasn't the optimal way to play them, but now it feels even less good. good. That means less random junglers in pubs being terrible and contributing nothing for 30 minutes The only junglers that are gonna exist are gonna be the ones who can be highly active. It also means a lot of players that don't want to play support end up picking carries and fighting with the hardlaner for cs since they can't just default to jungling ursa, lycan, lone druid, lifestealer, or nature's prophet Not to mention that ancients medusa is still possible which is far worse than any of those
I don't think ancients medusa is viable anymore since the dragons are flying and will eat her up
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On October 18 2013 15:59 Kuroeeah wrote:
I havent had an ancient medusa for a while. Cliff jungling prophets still makes me want to kill myself
The first time I tried jungle prophet, i got killed by a troll camp.
First time I wanted to delete my account out of shame. Yes I am very inexperienced in Jungling lol.
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Dota 6.79b changes
Fixed Bloodseeker getting slowed by haste rune.
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Oh my god this is huge! You can't get bottle first unless you random anymore!
They drastically reduced the amount of players that would be on the recieving end of my flame. Noooo I got nerfed.
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NightStalker back to T1 material ? I think so :D ( not that he is bad right now, he is just forgotten ).
edit: OMG I also LOVE the indirect buff to necronomicon / nerf to midas and Helm of Dominator.
edit 2: I don't like tango's cost increase though ...
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On October 18 2013 13:54 Talron wrote:
If there's one thing I've learned over all these years of DotA it's to trust in IceFrog.
Stuff that I'm curious to see on how they turn out
- Krob Exorcism dmg increase (Could someone do the math on this? The dmg must be through the roof)
Easy... It's about 20% more DMG per "Hit"... So its a 20% dmg increase.
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On October 18 2013 15:41 oneofthem wrote:
back when vanguard was considered good it was also due to how carried got farmed up. you try to get your 875 in a 2v2 lane, then farm up a vanguard, then you can survive midgame ganks and continue to farm.
but when you have trilane protecting you there's less of a need for early regen items on the carry. instead, more midgame power is needed, and there are now better items for that like drums. vanguard is good against autoattack harass but doesn't provide any utility unlike tranquil boots/drums etc.
Also, going way back, because the heroes that wanted Vanguard were tanky Intelligence carries like Leshrac, DP and Necro. You'd get Vanguard and Bloodstone and just wade into fights using all your shit. Both Bloodstone and Vanguard got nerfed to end that meta. Bloodstone had hp regen from charges removed and has been steadily getting buffs to compensate. Vanguard got a series of more gradual -hp nerfs. That's also the meta responsible for the differences in damage block between ranged and melee versions of items, IIRC, and for Heart's change to out-of-combat regen only. You'd have heroes hitting each other forever without event.
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I love these changes. The only thing they need to do now for Thrall is to make his ult go through magic immunity!
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the more i read these changes the more i despise them and want to quit
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I think eye of skadi, linkin sphere buff, veil of whores and Pipe changes are nice. Although i wonder if the Veil was more interesting with 12int.
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On October 18 2013 16:48 teddyoojo wrote:
the more i read these changes the more i despise them and want to quit
Change is never a bad thing.
Give it time, adapt and have fun.  DOTA has always been about all those big patches changing how the games play out, trashing up the meta.
Watching how the meta change every single big patch and how people try to figure it out makes for a extremely interesting experience.
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On October 18 2013 16:48 teddyoojo wrote:
the more i read these changes the more i despise them and want to quit
First patch? People say this every time, but it always turns out fine.
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On October 18 2013 16:53 Saryph wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 16:48 teddyoojo wrote:
the more i read these changes the more i despise them and want to quit First patch? People say this every time, but it always turns out fine.
There's a difference though. There hasn't been a patch crazier than this.
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Some of the changes I am unsure about but overall, I am happy. There does seem to be a somewhat change in the philosophy of skills and perhaps raise in skill level required. There are a good number of changes that allow for more dodging and putting more emphasis on aiming properly.
Making skills able to be dodged more easily I think adds to the entertainment of the game (Pl, Sven, etc) and making heroes like NA have to aim and not simple target.
Overall, I think many of these changes in collaboration with each other will change the overall feel of the game. I look forward to see how all of this influences the game.
Edit: Bloodseeker with 1900 movement speed is crazy and thus far, broodmothers web seems a bit iffy still. I think it needs some fine tuning or something.
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On October 18 2013 09:29 SheaR619 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 09:14 Jinsho wrote:
The patch is pretty good FYI.
Destroys the stupid trilane/offlane puylling/stacking dynamic which is incredibly unfun, supports have gold again, Roshan is no longer killed by the dominating team the very second he spawns.
Good stuff there Icefrog. ...The game would of been completely different if RNG...
welcome to dota
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