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On October 18 2013 09:29 SheaR619 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 09:14 Jinsho wrote:
The patch is pretty good FYI.
Destroys the stupid trilane/offlane puylling/stacking dynamic which is incredibly unfun, supports have gold again, Roshan is no longer killed by the dominating team the very second he spawns.
Good stuff there Icefrog. So instead Roshan will be pretty much spawning at random time? So we will get situation where you wait for roshan when it hit 8min but he doesnt spawn till 11min so you lose alot of farming time while other team farm up and you fall a bit behind. Or you get situation where you go smoke gank their jungle and roshan pop out at 8min and you are screwed because you tried to go gank and roshan spawn at the earlyest time possible. I really hate this change probably the most because it make the game more random. An example is having random creep spawn in the jungle is rather annoying enough since some game as chen can be complete shit cause you get no good creep (mud golemz). Obviously the chances of it happening is little but when it happens, people will be rather unhappy. I think there was a game in the International 3 qualifyer where they had a doom mid against QoP and doom only chance on being relevant mid was if he was able to devour a Satyr to have the regen able to stay mid. And he actually found the satyr during the first creep spawn. The game would of been completely different if RNG was not in his favor and spawn hellbear instead. I think the roshan time was fine, dont understand at all why the change.
Because it requires teams to check Roshan, rather than just farm until it is fight time. Now they have to exert map control and made decisions. Before, in a close game, they didn't have to make a decision. They farmed until Rosh came up, then fought.
A little chance makes the game interesting and rewards the team that thinks on its feet, which is what Icefrog seems to reward.
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On October 18 2013 09:32 hacklebeast wrote:
Why the fuck was tree nerfed again T_T He was pretty much dead weight around the time their carry got a bkb, and now he is pretty much dead weight early game too. A window of usefulness from levels 7-11 is simply unusable. "No, no, wisp/huskar/lifestealer/et are pretty much fine, we need to give the biggest nerf of the patch to the god damn tree"
this patch makes me wish that eblade->crit dagger on pa could be a thing.
Well dagger is pure or true or w/e so EBlade won't even amplify it.
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On October 18 2013 09:30 jbui wrote:Feels like along with the dust buff once again Icefrog wants us to use dust more for detecting invis units. 15 seconds is more than enough to kill a ward. We can't depend on a sentry randomly finding an invis hero so IF is making us buy gem/dust more. All in all BUY MORE DUST! :D
Doesnt this indirectly buff weaver more because weaver going to be harder to catch since the game is more dependent on dust as a cheap for of a detection with the gem cost increase?
edit: nvm im stupid, forgot weaver ulti doesnt remove dust
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On October 18 2013 09:35 SheaR619 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 09:30 jbui wrote:On October 18 2013 08:32 Leeoku wrote:
I really dont get the sentyr change Feels like along with the dust buff once again Icefrog wants us to use dust more for detecting invis units. 15 seconds is more than enough to kill a ward. We can't depend on a sentry randomly finding an invis hero so IF is making us buy gem/dust more. All in all BUY MORE DUST! :D Doesnt this indirectly buff weaver more because weaver going to be harder to catch since the game is more dependent on dust as a cheap for of a detection with the gem cost increase?
Nope, because necrobook provides true sight and you can't dominate the demons any more. I don't know if its a good plan, but weaver in a bit of trouble if it does.
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Not the most jaw-dropping observation, but:
Riki
- Smoke Screen cast range increased from 425 to 550
- Riki is no longer revealed out of Permanent Invisibility when he casts spells or uses items
HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA 
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On October 18 2013 09:35 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 09:32 hacklebeast wrote:
Why the fuck was tree nerfed again T_T He was pretty much dead weight around the time their carry got a bkb, and now he is pretty much dead weight early game too. A window of usefulness from levels 7-11 is simply unusable. "No, no, wisp/huskar/lifestealer/et are pretty much fine, we need to give the biggest nerf of the patch to the god damn tree"
this patch makes me wish that eblade->crit dagger on pa could be a thing. Well dagger is pure or true or w/e so EBlade won't even amplify it.
that's why I said wish. That, and because 90*4.5*1.4 really isn't the huge number you need it to be.
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Nether Strike now uses 1.2 Cast Time instead of a 1 sec magic immune delay (can be interrupted as a result)
YES!
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On October 18 2013 09:38 Rybka wrote:Not the most jaw-dropping observation, but: Show nested quote +Riki
- Smoke Screen cast range increased from 425 to 550
- Riki is no longer revealed out of Permanent Invisibility when he casts spells or uses items HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA
Riki Dagon all day every day. And Eblade. I will kill you and ever be seen.
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Update 2:
- Fixed various tooltips
- Fixed Armlet Toggle still having a small cooldown
- Fixed Bloodseeker getting slowed down by haste
So Bloodseeker can now hit almost 3k movespeed with 5 low health heroes, the optimal build, and a haste or Dark Seer.
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glad im not the only one who seems to be hating these changes. Good lord =( I was going through the general list and each and every single item disappointed me.
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On October 18 2013 09:54 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 09:38 Rybka wrote:Not the most jaw-dropping observation, but: Riki
- Smoke Screen cast range increased from 425 to 550
- Riki is no longer revealed out of Permanent Invisibility when he casts spells or uses items HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA Riki Dagon all day every day. And Eblade. I will kill you and ever be seen.
actually legit since Riki's AGI base and growth is huge. Haha
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3-4 interesting changes, but 90% retarded changes that make me wanna quit this game if the update does actually take place
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What does it mean by aphotic shield now dispellable?
Mist coil does some extra dmg, good to know.
Doom can now actually kill abby
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On October 18 2013 10:11 saltywet wrote:
3-4 interesting changes, but 90% retarded changes that make me wanna quit this game if the update does actually take place
Welcome to Dota.
this is how huge updates go, ALL THE TIME.
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On October 18 2013 10:12 KezseN wrote:
What does it mean by aphotic shield now dispellable?
It means you can dispel it with purge abilities/diffusal blade.
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On October 18 2013 09:20 Witten wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 09:14 phantomlancer23 wrote:On October 18 2013 09:08 TheYango wrote:On October 18 2013 09:05 phantomlancer23 wrote:On October 18 2013 06:20 aintz wrote:On October 18 2013 06:17 FinalForm wrote:
why the FUCK should someone get XP for a neutral that i killed??? imagine a bounty hunter just sitting invis 24/7 next to a jungler getting exp and waiting to go for the kill. seems really stupid to me lol +100 this is the worst change ever and the bs ms the second.I want to play a game with reasonable rules not a chaotic random shit where every crazy thing can happen.It seems icefrog makes changes for the sake of change. You apparently have not been playing DotA long enough. Ok then can you tell me an older patch change that is equal to bs 4k ms ? There was this one patch a long, long time ago that introduced something called "Buyback" that had no cooldown.
I also remember you use to be able to set wards with courier and wards have no cd. i forgot whether courier had invincibility at that time.
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On October 18 2013 09:54 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 09:38 Rybka wrote:Not the most jaw-dropping observation, but: Riki
- Smoke Screen cast range increased from 425 to 550
- Riki is no longer revealed out of Permanent Invisibility when he casts spells or uses items HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA Riki Dagon all day every day. And Eblade. I will kill you and ever be seen.
Wrong. New meta: support Riki. He can initiate with smoke and just walk/blink away!
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On October 18 2013 10:16 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 10:12 KezseN wrote:
What does it mean by aphotic shield now dispellable? It means you can dispel it with purge abilities/diffusal blade.
The player will have to manually cast a, lets say a diffusal blade charge, just to dispell it? Well wont aby just cast another one cus of the short cooldown?
If its dispelled does it still burst the shield and damage enemies?
Cant test this cus at work arghhh
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Killing my desire to actually learn the game. Just as I was getting used to everything, a patch like this comes around. t__t
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