We still have a long way to go and I am very aware of that. Still, even though we can't say that we're out of trouble, things are improving. We are playing better Dota than we have in quite some time. With several close series and some wins against top teams there is a notable improvement in our play. Some of those hard fought games were won in part thanks to DeMoN playing a phenomenal Sand King and Dazzle.
He doesn't only bring the ability to play well, but he also brings an the ability to make others play better. Atmosphere is so extremely important within a team and the past couple of months have been really hard on our players. If you don't truly believe in what you are trying to achieve it is impossible to make it happen, and sometimes it was hard to see how to get there. That is the big change.
Perhaps the strongest motivator he brought with him is his #commitment to this team. DeMoN was on the verge of accepting a stable casting opportunity when we were looking for a trial of our fifth player. It was a deadline he could not get out of. Despite the uncertainty of a trial versus the stability of casting he declined the casting job and committed to the trial in a big way. A move like that inspires confidence and with it comes the belief that we can turn this around. As far as I'm concerned he needs this team and we need him.
DeMoN is someone who can motivate others and kick it into the next gear when it is needed, and with that he is a more than welcome addition to this team. If roughly a month or so ago you would have told me this were to happen I would not have believed you. Today, it makes a lot of sense. Welcome Liquid`DeMoN!
DeMoN
I would like to thank Team Liquid for giving me this opportunity to play under such a prestigious organization. This team has been in a slump for the past few months now and I hope I'll be able to lift their spirits high and rebuild the confidence they need as a team. BuLba and myself go way back and have lots of chemistry together and I want to build that same relationship within the whole team. It's going to take a lot of #hardwork and #dedication but I know in the long run it'll all be worth it. "Suffer the PAIN of Discipline, or Suffer the PAIN of Regret" #LiquidRising
BuLba
Demon joining our team will be a great aid to both our play and our teams atmosphere. He has done a great job standing in for us the past few weeks and his playstyle has brought out a lot of #aggression I felt we lacked the past few months. I hope to prove ourselves as a team in the upcoming months and show that we have what it takes to contend among the top.
I think this is the right choice. These last few months have been rough for liquid'dota and in my opinion Nazgul has done the best he can with what he has to work with. The reputation of an organization is not built in the easy times, but in the hard ones.
I'd also like to mention that making the right decision doesn't always lead to great results, but that doesn't change the fact that it is the right decision. Good luck to everybody involved and I will continue to wish liquid all the best. I will always support liquid, although my loyalties are many in the dota scene.
I can't see this team being champions, and I expect a full rebuild after TI4. Having said that, I hope I'm completely wrong and this team goes on to do great things. TL will always be the 'home' team so I wish you all the best.
On April 15 2014 04:00 DrPandaPhD wrote: Guess they are hoping for an TI qualifier invite and if they fail it will be a lot bigger reshuffle after TI.
Unless they do freakishly well at TI (and this is assuming they even get there), they will reshuffle. Hell, even if they do well at TI, unless there is some incredible bonding that occurs there will be a reshuffle. However, that's par for the course in the dota scene and isn't a reason not to pick up a 5th player. Don't forget that about 2 teams in the world didn't reshuffle post TI4. There will be available talent and time to figure stuff out then. Now, its all about making TI4 happen and making it go as well as possible, and I think this is the right choice for that.
On April 15 2014 04:00 crms wrote: I can't see this team being champions, and I expect a full rebuild after TI4. Having said that, I hope I'm completely wrong and this team goes on to do great things. TL will always be the 'home' team so I wish you all the best.
It may be a rebuild, but I dont see a full rebuild. They will build off DeMoN and Bulba, maybe qovqja too. Very strong core, just need to solidify the carry and 5 support (or somehow get Wayto and TC playing how they used to play)
Wasn't the biggest fan of Demon, but started to open up to him more a few months ago, i really hope this works out for demons and liquids sake! More strong NA teams is only a good thing!
Nice, but please let him go non-support role, just because some dude is supposed to play carry/mid doesn't mean he is good at that role. Time to face reality.
I'm sure he'll have some screwup at some point and accidentally work out too much, but whatever DeMoN is the best talent out there right now and having him teamless seems absurd. Easily the best pickup TL could ask for.
On April 15 2014 04:13 BurningSera wrote: wait what LOL
#nojoke #forreal??!
Nice, but please let him go non-support role, just because some dude is supposed to play carry/mid doesn't mean he is good at that role. Time to face reality.
TC, qojqva and Bulba are all better than Demon on the respective position.
On April 15 2014 04:13 BurningSera wrote: wait what LOL
#nojoke #forreal??!
Nice, but please let him go non-support role, just because some dude is supposed to play carry/mid doesn't mean he is good at that role. Time to face reality.
TC, qojqva and Bulba are all better than Demon on the respective position.
It doesn't even matter if they are, they definatelly are not better supports.
On April 15 2014 04:13 BurningSera wrote: wait what LOL
#nojoke #forreal??!
Nice, but please let him go non-support role, just because some dude is supposed to play carry/mid doesn't mean he is good at that role. Time to face reality.
TC, qojqva and Bulba are all better than Demon on the respective position.
Friend just told me that they throw bulba back to hardlane, qopfa mid. All is good then, i haven't watched liquid for awhile.
On April 15 2014 04:13 BurningSera wrote: wait what LOL
#nojoke #forreal??!
Nice, but please let him go non-support role, just because some dude is supposed to play carry/mid doesn't mean he is good at that role. Time to face reality.
TC, qojqva and Bulba are all better than Demon on the respective position.
Friend just told me that they throw bulba back to hardlane, qopfa mid. All is good then, i haven't watched liquid for awhile.
This has been the case for about 2 weeks. Qojqva also stays mid for Invoker (oh well).
Liquid hwaiting! Demon has really impressed me and the whole team seems to be on fire. Everyone has the individual skill required for success and teamplay should be just getting better.
On April 15 2014 04:17 Crissaegrim wrote: What?! Are there no other good players in NA? What ever happened to TL's stance on only getting nice guys?
Where did you get that impression from? Demon is pretty goofy, but not a straight up douchebag like certain other NA players.
but he stole from a purse 3 yrs ago!
First time I hear about something like that, what's it about?
He found some chick's purse with a thousand euros so he took a couple hundred and bought everyone food and drinks like 4+ yrs ago. Think it was some chick from a Chinese team. He posted it on nadota a long time ago, you can try to find the thread if you want. Anyways, the point is its ancient history.
On April 15 2014 04:17 Crissaegrim wrote: What?! Are there no other good players in NA? What ever happened to TL's stance on only getting nice guys?
No idea if Demon is not a nice guy or whatever, but what Demon does offer is a bunch of personality which *I think* they were severely lacking. They're obviously nice guys but sometimes you need someone in your team, especially in a lan setting, to get people out of their shell. I think this move will do lots of good for the team atmosphere. Good stuff.
On April 15 2014 04:17 Crissaegrim wrote: What?! Are there no other good players in NA? What ever happened to TL's stance on only getting nice guys?
Where did you get that impression from? Demon is pretty goofy, but not a straight up douchebag like certain other NA players.
but he stole from a purse 3 yrs ago!
First time I hear about something like that, what's it about?
He found some chick's purse with a thousand euros so he took a couple hundred and bought everyone food and drinks like 4+ yrs ago. Think it was some chick from a Chinese team. He posted it on nadota a long time ago, you can try to find the thread if you want. Anyways, the point is its ancient history.
If that's what it is about, then good. You won't pass on someone as not being nice for something they did years ago. You might do that when considering the present... :/
Good luck to Demon. I always liked his play. One of the few players who is willing to make "cute" plays in real matches and then they actually work out a lot of the time. Loved the QB KotL or QB Tidehunter into AFK xp leech I'll be back in 10 minutes guys.
Perhaps, Demon can be Liquid's drafter now. Seems like a change would do wonders. A lot of problems on Liquid are tied to their poor drafting. Maybe Demon might bring in a new refreshing change.
On April 15 2014 05:22 ptbl wrote: Perhaps, Demon can be Liquid's drafter now. Seems like a change would do wonders. A lot of problems on Liquid are tied to their poor drafting. Maybe Demon might bring in a new refreshing change.
for one thing demon drafting LMAO and second tcs drafts are all really good and he always has a plan the problem with liquid right now the #1 problem is communication fix that and they are a really strong team
This is something I never would have predicted a couple months ago. Demon never seemed like he was a fit for liquid but the guy keeps growing on me. His attitude and plays are desperately needed on this team. Hope they all gel and start to find some consistency to grow on.
On April 15 2014 06:27 GranDGranT wrote: Looks like North American Rejects for American wildcard spot
Ya they are going to be so good with everyone on their team having other commitments and not being able to play 50% of the time... some people are just ridiculous I swear.
A lot of hate in this thread, but it's not like Liquid had a whole lot of options. There should be a reshuffle soon anyway, but at least Liquid finally has a marketable player on their roster.
On April 15 2014 06:27 GranDGranT wrote: Looks like North American Rejects for American wildcard spot
Ya they are going to be so good with everyone on their team having other commitments and not being able to play 50% of the time... some people are just ridiculous I swear.
A lot of hate in this thread, but it's not like Liquid had a whole lot of options. There should be a reshuffle soon anyway, but at least Liquid finally has a marketable player on their roster.
Wow Demon's certainly come a long way from a guy that only knew how to be greedy in lane from DXD noobs. :D
I don't know if he reads TL, but dude holy shit have you made it. I knew you had drive but you became a household name amoungst DotA fans, that's unreal man! :D
I don't even play anymore, but GL on liquid, I'll watch your games.
just... wtf.... u replace a talented player with emotional issues with another talented player with emotional issues.. like, sure, Demon can work with Liquid, i saw it, we all saw it, but looking at the bigger picture, will this lineup last a year? Damn, will this lineup last till TI?
Maybe i need to be more optimistic, but this seems just not well thought out. i know the options are very limited, and in terms of skill and experience Demon is on the short-list for any team right now, who would find itself needing an additional player, but i always thought Liquid management aims for long term, and just skill/ current form arent the main deciding factor.
Say they go on a 6 game loss streak? What then? Will this lineup be held together? Wont Demon go emo/crazy?
On April 15 2014 07:37 Geo.Rion wrote: just... wtf.... u replace a talented player with emotional issues with another talented player with emotional issues.. like, sure, Demon can work with Liquid, i saw it, we all saw it, but looking at the bigger picture, will this lineup last a year? Damn, will this lineup last till TI?
Maybe i need to be more optimistic, but this seems just not well thought out. i know the options are very limited, and in terms of skill and experience Demon is on the short-list for any team right now, who would find itself needing an additional player, but i always thought Liquid management aims for long term, and just skill/ current form arent the main deciding factor.
Say they go on a 6 game loss streak? What then? Will this lineup be held together? Wont Demon go emo/crazy?
Demons "emotional stability" is pretty much on the opposite spectrum as fluffs, if you can even call it that. Who knows what will happen in 6 months, but I don't expect anyone could come up with a better solution.
btw now its not just TL vs EG now its RedBull vs Monster!
ps: people can change but well naniwa proofing that people do not change. we will see what happens with team liquid and demon. taking his history thats a bad move but we will see. the really sad story is that there is simply no other us player available for team liquid?
i doubt that but tl playing it safe and buying the big names.
I have always liked Liquid especially when HuK was on it. Now my favorite Dota 2 player is on it and this is going to be amazing! I hope this team makes a deep run at TI4 because they deserve it!
Not a fan of Demon as a person but as a player, his skills is good and well deserved to be on the team. Pretty obvious this was going to happen and is looking forward to ti4 forever more
Congratulations! As many have pointed out already, the team kind of lacked a personality. Hopefully it works out! That being said, I'd love to see a cooperation between RB and Liquid!
DeMoN is a very good 4 position (proven lately) but watching NA Rejects right now.. I miss Korok's QOP. He was something else.
I was hoping they would of kicked wayto and picked up Sneyking along with Demon, you seen how great they were when wayto had to go last week.. too bad. I guess its a crapshoot for TI4 then hopefully a major reshuffle once TI4 is over, basing the team around Bulba and Demon.
Actually I think the roster is just awesome now. qojkva, bulba, wayto, and TC have been bringing their A-game these last few weeks, Demon has really livened up the roster. it will take some time before Liquid is used to following demon in on his crazy aggressive moves, though!
nice, Demon and Bulba join force once again, reminding me of the epic team USA in one of the MYM Prime Nation with Demon, Bulba, Fear, Lua and Power.Net owning hard. Goodluck to both Demon and TeamLiquid.
On April 15 2014 11:00 lowercase wrote: Actually I think the roster is just awesome now. qojkva, bulba, wayto, and TC have been bringing their A-game these last few weeks, Demon has really livened up the roster. it will take some time before Liquid is used to following demon in on his crazy aggressive moves, though!
Super unlikely TC stays after TI4 shuffles. Most likely new core around Bulba/Demon/Qoqjva, unless their performance drastically improves or something
Good shit. I've sen Demon playing great lately. Liquid still needs work but Jimmy is a leap in the right direction. Been watching a few liquid games and definitely caught some nice plays from him
Lately, some of the games I have watched show DeMoN making quite big plays on his heroes, especially Sand King and Dazzle. Even though in the past he has questionable decisions out of game, his recent appearance on Beyond the Summit indicate he has made many adjustments on how he approaches and thinks about the game. I have high expectations of DeMoN and especially Liquid.
On April 15 2014 15:38 BadAim wrote: Demon on #4, what a waste of talent... Still, I'm happy Liquid picked him up!
O_o
Some of the most impressive players are #4/5? Honestly, i feel like there are way more "star" supports (Kuroky/Puppy, Akke/EGM, Notail, Pielidie) than "star" offlaners? Yeah, it's not as prestigous as (active) mids but all else support atm seems to be one of the most exciting roles to watch (and play).
On April 15 2014 20:15 TapetalKarma wrote: is fullufnstuff the dude that just cryed on a blog untill you gave him captain sayin hed then show results.. if so soooo glad hes gone
I'm really excited to what the new liquid will do. I know demon is playing support now but started out playing the mid role. Does anyone know if he is going to stay in the support role with wayto?
Personally I think Demon's better at the moment on support than he was at mid for the past two years. He was really good at offlane at one point in 2012. That may be just a general rise in skill level though due to #dedication and #hardwork though.
On April 15 2014 20:15 TapetalKarma wrote: is fullufnstuff the dude that just cryed on a blog untill you gave him captain sayin hed then show results.. if so soooo glad hes gone
came to say the same thing. Read that blog and it REEKED of an immature child who basically just wanted to point fingers and convince everyone that it was everyone's fault but his. The way he talked about his team and Team Liquid as an organization was horrible, and it was time remaining on TL was limited.
Reading his blog, he was so incredibly full of delusion. Basically "Im the best, and we lose cause they dont listen to me." UGH.
I think Liquid need more than DeMoN to turn them into a top tier 1 team tho. WTS haven't really been performing that great and neither have TC lately. Perhaps having a full 5 man roster will increase the confidence of the team and those players in particular. We'll see
Man, thats weird that Demon would join a team that he said sucks. Maybe he is just joining to get his name out there in hopes of getting picked up by a better team?
On April 16 2014 22:02 quizibo wrote: Man, thats weird that Demon would join a team that he said sucks. Maybe he is just joining to get his name out there in hopes of getting picked up by a better team?
traded one blogboy for another it seems. Ahh well ti4 will soon be over and then anything is possible.
it wouldn't really matter if demon thought liquid sucked or not, as nazgul said, they need each other. demon is the best 'free agent' available, liquid needs a 5th to make a run at ti4 qualifiers and demon wants to make a return to competitive play, there is no other team with the clout of liquid that he could walk into right now. I don't believe anyone thinks this current liquid is 'the lineup' if they fail to get to ti4, expect BIG changes.
On April 17 2014 00:11 Firebolt145 wrote: Pretty sure he was joking. You don't reject a stable casting job and join a team if you really think they suck.
On April 17 2014 00:11 Firebolt145 wrote: Pretty sure he was joking. You don't reject a stable casting job and join a team if you really think they suck.
money, chance for TI, money
I daresay stable casting job is more money than the randomness of playing in a team.
That one blog post from fluff made him more of a child than demon ever was. I was slightly gutted when TL gave him another chance - glad he has been booted!
It might be that we see Liquid facing EG so much lately (losing a lot) and that makes Liquid look bad because lets face it, our perceptions of EG since 2012 has been pretty terrible.. but watching SL we are seeing EG is ripping everyone apart very easily. Maybe Liquid is not too bad off in reality vs normal teams, as they've actually managed to win some games vs EG lately too.
Would be nice to see wayto and TC back to their 2013 forms, but I think Liquid can definitely win the TI qualifiers.
On April 16 2014 22:02 quizibo wrote: Man, thats weird that Demon would join a team that he said sucks.
That's not in the least weird. Plenty of top players say, after losing or playing badly, that their own team sucked. It's being realistic, it's telling it like it is. Instead of 'weird,' it's actually a plus.
But your silly post was probably just designed to stir up drama. Plz take that garbage to Reddit , they specialize in unnecessary drama.
On April 16 2014 22:02 quizibo wrote: Man, thats weird that Demon would join a team that he said sucks.
That's not in the least weird. Plenty of top players say, after losing or playing badly, that their own team sucked. It's being realistic, it's telling it like it is. Instead of 'weird,' it's actually a plus.
But your silly post was probably just designed to stir up drama. Plz take that garbage to Reddit , they specialize in unnecessary drama.
Saying your team sucked, is putting yourself out of that suck-part equation. That is not team-spirit, and if a lot of top players do this, maybe we have a reason why people split up all the time, and play the blame-game, like a kid.
On April 19 2014 05:40 SnowfaLL wrote: It might be that we see Liquid facing EG so much lately (losing a lot) and that makes Liquid look bad because lets face it, our perceptions of EG since 2012 has been pretty terrible.. but watching SL we are seeing EG is ripping everyone apart very easily. Maybe Liquid is not too bad off in reality vs normal teams, as they've actually managed to win some games vs EG lately too.
Would be nice to see wayto and TC back to their 2013 forms, but I think Liquid can definitely win the TI qualifiers.
Yeah I actually had a similar thought. Liquids wins like 20% of their games against EG and many other games are pretty close. It sounds miserable but it's actually better than the 0% winrate that some other teams have against EG
On April 16 2014 22:02 quizibo wrote: Man, thats weird that Demon would join a team that he said sucks.
That's not in the least weird. Plenty of top players say, after losing or playing badly, that their own team sucked. It's being realistic, it's telling it like it is. Instead of 'weird,' it's actually a plus.
But your silly post was probably just designed to stir up drama. Plz take that garbage to Reddit , they specialize in unnecessary drama.
Saying your team sucked, is putting yourself out of that suck-part equation. That is not team-spirit, and if a lot of top players do this, maybe we have a reason why people split up all the time, and play the blame-game, like a kid.
Are you a joke?
Just look at RTZ's twitter when EG loses a game.
And yet EG are probably the best/2nd best team in all of DotA right now.
On April 16 2014 22:02 quizibo wrote: Man, thats weird that Demon would join a team that he said sucks.
That's not in the least weird. Plenty of top players say, after losing or playing badly, that their own team sucked. It's being realistic, it's telling it like it is. Instead of 'weird,' it's actually a plus.
But your silly post was probably just designed to stir up drama. Plz take that garbage to Reddit , they specialize in unnecessary drama.
Saying your team sucked, is putting yourself out of that suck-part equation. That is not team-spirit, and if a lot of top players do this, maybe we have a reason why people split up all the time, and play the blame-game, like a kid.
Are you a joke?
Just look at RTZ's twitter when EG loses a game.
And yet EG are probably the best/2nd best team in all of DotA right now.
You must be, if you think it is due to RTZs antics on twitter. Please take heed in what I write, if you want to learn something in life.
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