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Naga Siren Mirror Image illusion damage dealt reduced from 30/35/40/45% to 20/25/30/35%
Medusa Split Shot reworked from 50/60/70/80% damage with 5 maximum targets, to 80% damage with 2/3/4/5 maximum targets
goodbye naga ultra fast farm ... hello medusa carry metagame 
and the nerf to ember is shit ..
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United States47024 Posts
And using 2 required that you have 120s with no Lich ulti available.
I can see it be annoying for a team that never dealt with it before, or wasn't paying attention and happen to stumble on it at their Ancients without being aware of it, but there are enough ways to break it that it's not crazy unless you somehow got to waste enough ults on a single set of Ancients that it one-shots people. Even a HoD creep has enough HP to tank 2 (3 if it's a Centaur or Satyr and gets a second or two to regen HP) of them so any less than 3 can be defused with a HoD creep baiting the bounces away.
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On April 26 2014 13:32 Shaella wrote: well its only a 60 sec CD at rank 3.
And just 3 could already be incredibly deadly at all levels. It might not kill in a shot but you can't farm with those around. If they give vision, much more so.
Lich is already a great situational support. Now, I think it's become top tier as a defensive/antipush, teamfighting support. Ulti can zone out (force scattering), then FA can make tower kills insanely hard, and then paired up with a nice carry (Void, Spec)...
KotL seems imba but I dunno.
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konadora
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IM LOVING THESE AGH SCEPTORS LOL
CARRY ABADDON TIME?
pretty sure that's a nerf on broodmother with the free path disabling lol
gg dazzle
OP DOOM OH GOD
earthshaker is dead wtf no more ancients
ember spirit nerf was expected and sensible
time to go support gyro? max homing missle and rocket barrage
HUSKAR CAN NOW CAST SPEARS WHILE USING SATANIC AND SKADI AMIRITE
kotl agh upgrade seems the most OP thing ever holy shit
nice buffs on LC
LICH ARMOR ON BUILDING!! does the slow work when attacking towers then?
magnus legit offlane hero now
no more medusa ancient farming oh yes
NAGA NERFS YES. this is perfect, nerfing carry naga while not nerfing support naga. good job icefrog
nyx impale no longer blocked by linken's sphere. i love.
sd aghs is good but if you're that farmed you probably won so.. yeah
silence's CotS buff is good, can spam it more during teamfights and especially wreck heroes that need mana or don't have spammable abilities
offline tidehunter more legit now
undying buff was much needed, hero fell out so much :<
uh this means ursa can just rosh as soon as he gets mask of death whoa
carry windrunner potential :D
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On April 26 2014 13:38 konadora wrote: IM LOVING THESE AGH SCEPTORS LOL
CARRY ABADDON TIME?
pretty sure that's a nerf on broodmother with the free path disabling lol
gg dazzle
OP DOOM OH GOD
earthshaker is dead wtf no more ancients
ember spirit nerf was expected and sensible
time to go support gyro? max homing missle and rocket barrage
HUSKAR CAN NOW CAST SPEARS WHILE USING SATANIC AND SKADI AMIRITE
kotl agh upgrade seems the most OP thing ever holy shit
nice buffs on LC
LICH ARMOR ON BUILDING!! does the slow work when attacking towers then?
magnus legit offlane hero now
no more medusa ancient farming oh yes
NAGA NERFS YES. this is perfect, nerfing carry naga while not nerfing support naga. good job icefrog
nyx impale no longer blocked by linken's sphere. i love.
sd aghs is good but if you're that farmed you probably won so.. yeah
silence's CotS buff is good, can spam it more during teamfights and especially wreck heroes that need mana or don't have spammable abilities
offline tidehunter more legit now
undying buff was much needed, hero fell out so much :<
uh this means ursa can just rosh as soon as he gets mask of death whoa
carry windrunner potential :D
can't wait to see [A]EGM going carry mode.. plz alliance make it happen
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Super interested to see what EG and Rox come up with. Curious if Alliance liquid and Fnatic can get their mojo back off this patch. Thank god for nyx impale not being blocked by linkens, literally bitched for an hour about that one day
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The Agha change doesn't mean shit because even if you were going carry runner, you wouldn't get Agha. A hero with otherwise mediocre carry potential can't afford to use a major item slot on an item with such mediocre stats over a more impactful DPS item.
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On April 26 2014 13:30 TheYango wrote: If there's only 1 bouncing around, it's pretty easy for the carry to just tank one bounce and carry it far enough away that it won't bounce back (or use summoned units).
If there's multiple going, one has to wonder how you got to waste multiple Lich ult CDs on their Ancients rather than just winning fights. It's not about winning the game, it's about sending a message.
The ice armor change is probably the bigger deal, and is easily gonna make him first pick.
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Oh the change to Abaddon, that is annoying. I already dislike going against him and now, he will be all the more annoying. The same with Bristle, they decided to buff a hero I hate going against. Just excited to see how the meta changes with these changes. With the qualifiers coming up, it will be a test to see which of the teams adapt the best all the while being innovative.
I am just excited to see what happens.
On April 26 2014 13:50 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2014 13:30 TheYango wrote: If there's only 1 bouncing around, it's pretty easy for the carry to just tank one bounce and carry it far enough away that it won't bounce back (or use summoned units).
If there's multiple going, one has to wonder how you got to waste multiple Lich ult CDs on their Ancients rather than just winning fights. It's not about winning the game, it's about sending a message. The ice armor change is probably the bigger deal, and is easily gonna make him first pick.
Yeah, I sort of value the ice armor change a bit higher. The Agh change, for it to be fully utilized is severely dependent on team makeup. Whereas the armor will be useful regardless of the team makeup.
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I'm still confused about the manta change. Does it just mean that if you rightclick a hero before they pop manta, you won't automatically stick on the real one?
Also the real best thing about this patch is that they've removed battlefury from BH's recommendeds.
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So what are the relevant, non-Agha buffs? I can think of the Lich FA, Ursa Fury Swipes, Jugg BAT, AM Void (feel this is underrated), Sven base damage, BH Track cast range, Void buffs, Gyro missile, Lesh storm, Lion hex... what else? QoP was buffed, Razor buffed... hmmm I don't see game changers, really. Cept for Lich FA and maybe Track.
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So if I am reading this properly, WR with focus fire will proc a LOT more chain lightnings with Maelstrom/Mjollnir, right?
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This is why valve is better
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United States47024 Posts
QoP's buff is actually a fairly big deal in lane, because the CD reduction to 16s was a large part of why rank 2 was situationally gotten in lane (15.1s duration 16s CD basically locks people out of ever using Salves without getting off the lane completely). Having that 16s CD at rank 1 is definitely very significant.
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United States15275 Posts
I think Razor's STR gain is pretty significant. His Unstable Current buff is decent too.
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Can someone explain what the shadow amulet change means? I still don't understand it
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United States47024 Posts
On April 26 2014 13:54 Belisarius wrote: I'm still confused about the manta change. Does it just mean that if you rightclick a hero before they pop manta, you won't automatically stick on the real one?
Correct. Rather, any orders targeted on the real hero will be canceled when Manta is activated.
I'm surprised this wasn't listed as a bug fix because this is actually the Warcraft 3 intended behavior. Having stuns queued up on the main hero before they Manta still always land on the main hero after the split defeats a lot of the purpose of the item.
On April 26 2014 14:03 fuzzy_panda wrote: Can someone explain what the shadow amulet change means? I still don't understand it Currently, the way Shadow Amulet works is that after activation, if you stand still you become invisible after 1.5 seconds. However, you must stand still or lose the invisibility.
After the change, you are allowed to move during the 1.5s before the invisibility activates without canceling the effect. If you move after the invisibility sets in it still breaks, though.
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On April 26 2014 14:03 fuzzy_panda wrote: Can someone explain what the shadow amulet change means? I still don't understand it You can move while fading out, but you still have to stand still once you become invisible.
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1. "X Marks The Spot can now last twice as long on allied heroes" I dont think people realize how broken this is especially when people do the 1 1 3 build that Mushi does. Basically you can slow siege with ANY hero now (the way EternalEgo and Autism_2000 were doing it vs DK with Chen Blinkz @ MLG but you dont get TPed back to the fountain). Meaning you can do that CONSTANTLY ????? and INSTANTLY bail out the hero if he is in danger. What about a DK push line-up with safe lane Kunka in it? 2. "Aghanim's Scepter Laguna Blade damage goes through magic immunity" Seriously??? A support Lina cant get it anyways but with THIS RANGE and Dragon Slave wave clearing you can do fairly well vs most of the other mids. + ET? + Veil of Discord? vs the popular squishy carries like Luna/Mirana. 3. Zeus = moving Gem ? and this buffs Lightning Bolt's cast range with 250. That Veldt guy picks Zeus A LOT and always goes Blink Dagon build. He has a ridiculous win rate with it too. It has proven that it is viable in the highest MMR matches but no1 tries it in the pro scene yet. Hope this buff changes that. 4. This makes Silencer the best attribute gain hero in the game. I think IceFraud wants to return LightOfHeaven carry Silencer back. 5. Venge back to the suicide swaps? 6. Really nice Euls change. Drastically improving the exort Invoker. I actually see people bypassing the midas and rushing Euls now. 7. Ursas rushing mask of death is going to make the pubs unplayable.
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Is the kotl buff really that big? I see it as a significantly worse aghs upgrade than NS, and pros rarely get that. I'm not sure which of the three parts people are most excited about, but they all seem meh to me.
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