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ViperPL
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland1775 Posts
September 27 2013 08:50 GMT
#21
It's good to see they acknowledge flaws in their game and actually look for improvements. I still remain positive about RoS and the changes it's gonna bring.
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Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
September 27 2013 09:50 GMT
#22
So they added potion cooldown to prevent potion chugging. And now they are nerfing life steal.. Makes perfect sense.
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Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
September 27 2013 10:36 GMT
#23
On September 27 2013 18:50 Grovbolle wrote:
So they added potion cooldown to prevent potion chugging. And now they are nerfing life steal.. Makes perfect sense.


But they're adding LEGENDARY potions! Like the Bottomless Potion of Kulle-Aid
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
Iblis
Profile Joined April 2010
904 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 10:55:59
September 27 2013 10:49 GMT
#24
On September 27 2013 09:47 Burrfoot wrote:
Datamined Stat Caps (first passthrough on closed PTR)

Critical Hit Chance - *You may have a maximum of +40.00% Critical Hit Chance from items.
Critical Hit Damage - *You may have a maximum of +250.00% Critical Hit Damage from items.
Attack Speed - *You may have a maximum of +40.00% Attack Speed from items.


Movement Speed - *You may have a maximum of +25.00% movement speed from items
Block Chance - *You may have a maximum of 75.00% Block Chance.
Gold Find - *You may have a maximum of +300.00% Gold Find.
Magic Find - *This increase is diminished for rare and legendary and set items.
Magic Find - *You may have a maximum of +300.00% Magic Find.


This is pretty good, hope it's not too little too late to start balancing content to expected character potential.

Edit: and thinking about it they had to put cap in or introduce rating like WoW where you don't get flat value of %crit but critical rating that translates into crit% depending on your level. I saw level 60 ring with 6,5+%crit so getting the cap shouldn't be that hard and then you have paragon stats to add.
Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
October 11 2013 10:12 GMT
#25
HeroDetails.txt
*Life Steal is less effective when you are higher level.
*At level 60, Life Steal gains a 0.10x multiplier.
*At level 70, Life Steal no longer functions.


Hope you sold your LS weapons by now!
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 11 2013 11:02 GMT
#26
and dh still sucks lol
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HornyHerring
Profile Joined March 2011
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
October 11 2013 13:08 GMT
#27
On October 11 2013 19:12 Burrfoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
HeroDetails.txt
*Life Steal is less effective when you are higher level.
*At level 60, Life Steal gains a 0.10x multiplier.
*At level 70, Life Steal no longer functions.


Hope you sold your LS weapons by now!

I guess barbarian with revenge will be back in the meta as the strongest class again.
oh, hai
Iblis
Profile Joined April 2010
904 Posts
October 11 2013 13:38 GMT
#28
On October 11 2013 22:08 HornyHerring wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2013 19:12 Burrfoot wrote:
HeroDetails.txt
*Life Steal is less effective when you are higher level.
*At level 60, Life Steal gains a 0.10x multiplier.
*At level 70, Life Steal no longer functions.


Hope you sold your LS weapons by now!

I guess barbarian with revenge will be back in the meta as the strongest class again.


Meh, 2nd at most compared to 4K+ LoH,serenity, thunderclap monk.
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
October 11 2013 15:50 GMT
#29
On September 27 2013 09:47 Burrfoot wrote:
Datamined Stat Caps (first passthrough on closed PTR)

Critical Hit Chance - *You may have a maximum of +40.00% Critical Hit Chance from items.
Critical Hit Damage - *You may have a maximum of +250.00% Critical Hit Damage from items.
Attack Speed - *You may have a maximum of +40.00% Attack Speed from items.


Movement Speed - *You may have a maximum of +25.00% movement speed from items
Block Chance - *You may have a maximum of 75.00% Block Chance.
Gold Find - *You may have a maximum of +300.00% Gold Find.
Magic Find - *This increase is diminished for rare and legendary and set items.
Magic Find - *You may have a maximum of +300.00% Magic Find.


+40% crit is still too much IMO. With passives, you're critting half of the time. I honestly think that's still to much. Should be like 25% maximum or something.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11824 Posts
October 11 2013 16:38 GMT
#30
On October 11 2013 19:12 Burrfoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
HeroDetails.txt
*Life Steal is less effective when you are higher level.
*At level 60, Life Steal gains a 0.10x multiplier.
*At level 70, Life Steal no longer functions.


Hope you sold your LS weapons by now!


If you actually think anything you use right now will be even remotely good in the addon you have obviously never witnessed a WoW addon.
Wiggins8
Profile Joined October 2013
Germany107 Posts
October 11 2013 17:50 GMT
#31
I'm glad they nerfed all the imba-stats. LS% was fucking imbalanced over 100k dps and the DPS gains from combining CHD and CHD was way too strong.
We will have to wait and see how the Gameplay looks with all the new spells and the new monsterpowers.

But they should try to make more stats viable and not force you to go for as much crit as you can have etc.
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
October 12 2013 04:04 GMT
#32
On October 11 2013 19:12 Burrfoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
HeroDetails.txt
*Life Steal is less effective when you are higher level.
*At level 60, Life Steal gains a 0.10x multiplier.
*At level 70, Life Steal no longer functions.


Hope you sold your LS weapons by now!

troll or for real?

with this change, people might have to intentionally skip monsters during their first playthrough of act5 in order to not hit lvl 70 before they finish the act - thats because all the gear they have in the beginning will be their old vanilla stuff which is built around LS....

seriously, why not just cut all current LS values in half? the stat would be fine then imho. gear and monster attacks in act5/ the new difficulty can then be adjusted from there.
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Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
October 12 2013 09:19 GMT
#33
They are nerfing Reflect Damage from a % of your damage to a flat value. Pretty much they are balancing damage input and sustain to make gameplay less spikey. 100% health to 0% and back as they described in this post..

I don't think anyone will have any trouble reaching level 70 at MP1 or 2 with zero sustain.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
DODswe4
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2157 Posts
October 12 2013 12:05 GMT
#34
On October 12 2013 00:50 Nekovivie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 09:47 Burrfoot wrote:
Datamined Stat Caps (first passthrough on closed PTR)

Critical Hit Chance - *You may have a maximum of +40.00% Critical Hit Chance from items.
Critical Hit Damage - *You may have a maximum of +250.00% Critical Hit Damage from items.
Attack Speed - *You may have a maximum of +40.00% Attack Speed from items.


Movement Speed - *You may have a maximum of +25.00% movement speed from items
Block Chance - *You may have a maximum of 75.00% Block Chance.
Gold Find - *You may have a maximum of +300.00% Gold Find.
Magic Find - *This increase is diminished for rare and legendary and set items.
Magic Find - *You may have a maximum of +300.00% Magic Find.


+40% crit is still too much IMO. With passives, you're critting half of the time. I honestly think that's still to much. Should be like 25% maximum or something.

they have nerefed the passives as well but you will reach 50% with max on gear and paragon alone
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 12 2013 18:42 GMT
#35
making lifesteal completely null at the top level may not present balance problems if the numbers are tuned, but it's kind of radical to throw away a huge modifier just like that.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
S1eth
Profile Joined November 2011
Austria221 Posts
October 13 2013 10:40 GMT
#36
Couldn't they decrease damage dealt to the point where DPS and life scale equally so that LS has the same usefulness at all levels?
I really don't think D3 needs those HUGE damage numbers on the screen at all times.
Iblis
Profile Joined April 2010
904 Posts
October 13 2013 12:57 GMT
#37
On October 13 2013 19:40 S1eth wrote:
Couldn't they decrease damage dealt to the point where DPS and life scale equally so that LS has the same usefulness at all levels?
I really don't think D3 needs those HUGE damage numbers on the screen at all times.


Can't really do that when you want a game to have deep character power progression AND have content designed to be interesting at a specific character power threshold. Right now we are looking at 11 difficulty settings for inferno, 7 on console and 5 or 6 datamined for RoS.
You can't just provide a stats that should sustain a character with 100k dps and not consider how it'll work for characters that have 300k.

What I'm afraid is that they change lifesteal, don't provide as hard as MP10 for the last difficulty level but don't touch Life on Hit and with the return of the up to your level legendaries drop, Attack speed everywhere possible is going to be even more optimal and allow "lower" budget build to farm where other class cannot hope to with 2x the stats. (for example how a 200-300M barb can easily trash MP10 farm right now).
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
October 13 2013 12:57 GMT
#38
Ladder reset at start so u won't have any ls weapons.
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
October 13 2013 15:08 GMT
#39
On October 13 2013 21:57 unkkz wrote:
Ladder reset at start so u won't have any ls weapons.

Not an issue. Did you play D3 when it just started? Just put LOH gems into a socketed weapon.
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TheGreenMachine
Profile Joined March 2010
United States730 Posts
October 13 2013 15:33 GMT
#40
On October 14 2013 00:08 Mithhaike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 21:57 unkkz wrote:
Ladder reset at start so u won't have any ls weapons.

Not an issue. Did you play D3 when it just started? Just put LOH gems into a socketed weapon.

Unless they make that gem socket not give LOH anymore. Derp.
Don't forget to get everyone you know to play HOTS so this game we love called Starcraft will live on. Every little bit helps. ^^
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