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Roachu
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden692 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-04 01:37:51
August 04 2012 01:33 GMT
#301
I started a Witch Doctor, never played the class before and the people I've played with on softcore used zombie bears like everyone else and didn't put much else thought into the class (indeed why should they...). I'm currently enjoying this class more than anything else in the game and my build is safe to say fucked up. Well it's not much a build per sé its more a playstyle. I kinda hate the very idea of farming so I wanted to see how far I could go with the relatively small bank my wizard had gathered (half a million roughly) and putting as much emphasis on skill as possible. So far I haven't spent much more than 100k and been playing totally solo.
I realized Dire Bats not only travel 40 yards (whatever the fuck that is but its long in-game) but they can also be run-canceled thus are great for kiting. Since I got that skill I've used it as my main damage dealer, letting everything else be survival-based except for the parts where there are tons of nasty cretins swarming over you. For those moments I opted to switch the survivability up a little for Acid Cloud which instakills all types of small enemies. Otherwise I go for Horrify, Spirit Walk, Mass Confusion and Big Bad Voodoo (for mana regen when needed). For primary attack I don't really care, they all suck.
The best and arguably the most fucked up part about the build is it requires a large two-hander, preferably a crossbow since int-crossbows are dirt cheap on AH. This is because they have the highest base-damage in the game and I'm not relying on the "dps"-stat at all. I realize many of you are going to disagree or quite frankly not understand and to you I pose the question "why do you play?". I don't expect an elaborate answer or anything, I just got tired of the Skinner-box aspect of the game (and indeed the genre) and just wanted to see how far I could go by defying as many "dungeon crawler rules" as I could think of. Now I'm playing more or less completely suicidal simply to see when the character is gonna die. Currently just killed Belial on nightmare, I'm expecting death pretty soon because of my rapid decline in interest.
Don't be asshats
C[h]ili
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany167 Posts
August 09 2012 15:34 GMT
#302
Hi there, I have a short question! I am playing a HC Barbarian, currently level 58 in Act 2 Hell. Would you stay in Act 2 till lvl 60, or would you take the risk and try kill Belial? Act 2 is becoming increasingly boring!
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
August 09 2012 16:00 GMT
#303
On August 10 2012 00:34 C[h]ili wrote:
Hi there, I have a short question! I am playing a HC Barbarian, currently level 58 in Act 2 Hell. Would you stay in Act 2 till lvl 60, or would you take the risk and try kill Belial? Act 2 is becoming increasingly boring!


Im on my fourth 60 character now and i usually just grind it out in act 1 till 59, then i move to act 3 and grind the last level. But Belial isn't all that hard, if you can handle a bunch of those invisible worms without too many problems then you can handle Belial just fine.
arshock
Profile Joined December 2011
Lithuania33 Posts
August 09 2012 17:54 GMT
#304
After a while i am back in diablo 3 world. Starting a new hardcore character (wizard). Looking for european players to play together. arshock#2670 add me.
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
August 09 2012 20:25 GMT
#305
On August 10 2012 00:34 C[h]ili wrote:
Hi there, I have a short question! I am playing a HC Barbarian, currently level 58 in Act 2 Hell. Would you stay in Act 2 till lvl 60, or would you take the risk and try kill Belial? Act 2 is becoming increasingly boring!


Belial is a cakewalk, especially for barbs. I even did Azmodan before I dinged 60.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
August 13 2012 17:10 GMT
#306
Argh, people need to stop being idiots on the AH. A pair of shoulders for 63 mil gold? I doubt anyone on HC even has above 50mil gold, and even if you have 100mil gold you dont spend 60% of your gold on a single piece of armor. I've seen alot of this lately, helms for 95 mil, rings/necks for 50mil etc. What's wrong with people? This aint the SC AH...
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
August 14 2012 08:22 GMT
#307
Just finished skeleton king on inferno on my first HC char (Wizard) I'm not really sure how to approach builds/gear from now on and this is the path I've been going:
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Unlimited-2227/hero/17470758

I've been having doubts about Life on Hit because Hydras don't generate any healing from that, so I've been focusing on Life Regen instead (with Energy Armor on, I should have over 850 life per second constantly). At the same time, I've been trying to stack up a bit on Crit Chance/Dmg. My resistances will be largely buffed by my Barb partner's War Cry. At the same time, I'm not sure if the 40% all resist rune from Energy Armor is overkill, or if I can afford to sacrifice that defense for 5% crit chance. Does anyone have any tips? I'd really like to delay my death as much as possible while progressing through inferno XD
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
August 14 2012 12:30 GMT
#308
On August 14 2012 17:22 o3.power91 wrote:
Just finished skeleton king on inferno on my first HC char (Wizard) I'm not really sure how to approach builds/gear from now on and this is the path I've been going:
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Unlimited-2227/hero/17470758

I've been having doubts about Life on Hit because Hydras don't generate any healing from that, so I've been focusing on Life Regen instead (with Energy Armor on, I should have over 850 life per second constantly). At the same time, I've been trying to stack up a bit on Crit Chance/Dmg. My resistances will be largely buffed by my Barb partner's War Cry. At the same time, I'm not sure if the 40% all resist rune from Energy Armor is overkill, or if I can afford to sacrifice that defense for 5% crit chance. Does anyone have any tips? I'd really like to delay my death as much as possible while progressing through inferno XD


Your HP along with your resistances are very low, i'd work on that first and foremost. Other then that its just about getting more crit and crit dmg, your offhand can be severely upgraded.
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
August 14 2012 12:35 GMT
#309
On August 14 2012 02:10 unkkz wrote:
Argh, people need to stop being idiots on the AH. A pair of shoulders for 63 mil gold? I doubt anyone on HC even has above 50mil gold, and even if you have 100mil gold you dont spend 60% of your gold on a single piece of armor. I've seen alot of this lately, helms for 95 mil, rings/necks for 50mil etc. What's wrong with people? This aint the SC AH...

Ive seen someone bid 120m on this chest armor on a forum.
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CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
August 14 2012 13:20 GMT
#310
hah, wow. it's definitely worth a fair bit (i would love to use that armor, minus the rubies, for my fire monk), but 120m is kind of crazy

to o3.power91: i think loh is more of a necessity for monks and barbs, since it lets them tank in desecrate/plague/arcane for a little while. for the ranged classes, i think life regen might be more useful. note that i've only played a monk in hc inferno so far, getting as far as a2
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
Chaosu
Profile Joined October 2005
Poland404 Posts
August 14 2012 15:53 GMT
#311
loh works wonders on wizards but you need to use mass hit spell (most popular is that energy spell with rune that changes into moving ball). when i looted 850dps 700loh no stats and changed it with my previous 650dps 250int the dmg was the same, resists got lower but my survivalability jumped a lot to the point when i was able to tank 2/3 elites in a3 just standing in front of them and spamming my basic attack.
Please be patient.
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
August 14 2012 16:10 GMT
#312
Thanks for the advice guys. With my Barb partner's War Cry and my Energy Armor runes, I get over 500 all resist. However I only have 26-27k hp so I'm looking to gear up more for Vit and Int (for extra all res+dps). For now I'm gonna be farming with my Barb friend until we're confident to take on Butcher. I'm guessing that will still be a while though.

Just got to Inferno 2 days ago and already had a couple near death experiences due to lag. Generally what I do when I'm in trouble is alternate between Diamond Skin (extra damage absorb rune) and Mirror Image (extra images). When one is on cooldown, the other should be active. I also use the -15% cooldown passive to minimize downtime with defensive spells. Then lastly, Teleport in case it's needed.
Rhaegar99
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Australia1190 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 16:08:27
August 15 2012 16:07 GMT
#313
Anyone soloed act 2 on a DH can give me the stats that you finish it with? Act 1 is a cake walk for me now having a lot of trouble safely progressing through act 2. They have like double the hp and they hit so much harder. I'm running 1h+shield 65k hp 3.7k armour 420 AR with 17k dps.
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
August 15 2012 17:14 GMT
#314
i would adjust your gear such that you give up some vit in exchange for armor and AR. you'll also need more DPS to kill belial before he enrages, i believe
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
August 15 2012 18:12 GMT
#315
My fire monk can now comfortably farm a1 since I've found a nice pair of trifecta glove that sold for 5m.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/JSnow-1669/hero/24197154

Items are pretty hard to come by, I had 3m+ in the banks for day and can't find a decent upgrade althought I haven't spend much time on ah lately. I know my helm sucks, I want a better one but it's hard to come by.

Feel free to add me if you play hc around act1 inf.

Brood War is forever
ezk
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada239 Posts
August 15 2012 18:40 GMT
#316
On August 16 2012 03:12 scDeluX wrote:
My fire monk can now comfortably farm a1 since I've found a nice pair of trifecta glove that sold for 5m.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/JSnow-1669/hero/24197154

Items are pretty hard to come by, I had 3m+ in the banks for day and can't find a decent upgrade althought I haven't spend much time on ah lately. I know my helm sucks, I want a better one but it's hard to come by.

Feel free to add me if you play hc around act1 inf.



You need to show some love to your mercs :D
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
August 15 2012 20:02 GMT
#317
On August 14 2012 02:10 unkkz wrote:
Argh, people need to stop being idiots on the AH. A pair of shoulders for 63 mil gold? I doubt anyone on HC even has above 50mil gold, and even if you have 100mil gold you dont spend 60% of your gold on a single piece of armor. I've seen alot of this lately, helms for 95 mil, rings/necks for 50mil etc. What's wrong with people? This aint the SC AH...

There are enough people with way more gold than that.
Thats how markets work. If YOU dont have that gold that doesn't mean it doesn't sell.
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
August 15 2012 20:07 GMT
#318
On August 16 2012 01:07 Rhaegar99 wrote:
Anyone soloed act 2 on a DH can give me the stats that you finish it with? Act 1 is a cake walk for me now having a lot of trouble safely progressing through act 2. They have like double the hp and they hit so much harder. I'm running 1h+shield 65k hp 3.7k armour 420 AR with 17k dps.


Drop the shield unless it's a tank build. I was all about the shilds until i died due to taking the wrong WP and on my new DH i went bow and quiver. The extra damage is quite substantial and the loss of survivability is greatly made up by the fact that stuff dies 2 or 3 times as fast. I was about to do Belial before i lost that DH to a DC, but it had 50k dps w/o SS 50k hp and about 550 all res. I wouldn´t of had any issues with him i believe, even solo.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-15 20:17:21
August 15 2012 20:16 GMT
#319
On August 16 2012 05:02 bluQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 02:10 unkkz wrote:
Argh, people need to stop being idiots on the AH. A pair of shoulders for 63 mil gold? I doubt anyone on HC even has above 50mil gold, and even if you have 100mil gold you dont spend 60% of your gold on a single piece of armor. I've seen alot of this lately, helms for 95 mil, rings/necks for 50mil etc. What's wrong with people? This aint the SC AH...

There are enough people with way more gold than that.
Thats how markets work. If YOU dont have that gold that doesn't mean it doesn't sell.


I seriously doubt there are a lot of people walking around with 200+ mil on HC that haven´t bought it. Even people like Kungen who farmed Goblins all day, every day for like two months only got up to about 30mil while selling most stuff. And out of my 10 or so friends i play/played with the median amount of gold was maybe 10 - 15mil and these were people who farmed quite a lot.

By comparisment i had the highest DPS onehander on AH about 1.5 months ago and it sold for 7mil and if it had better stats 10 maybe. But yeah a lot has changed since then but not _that_ much to go from 10mil for one of the best if not the best 1handers on the AH to 63 mil for a pair of shoulders.
haiau
Profile Joined June 2011
101 Posts
September 14 2012 01:31 GMT
#320
I just started a HC barb. Was wondering if anyone would be interested in trading me like 250k gold for some items or gold on NA? PM me if you are interested! thanks
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