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semantics
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xusam
United States419 Posts
On June 30 2012 03:01 semantics wrote: You just need damage| armor, ar, block, dodge, and loh only get you so far. I play with a friend who is a barb alot, between the two of us i can sport 12k armor and 2400ar with 45khp. But my damage is shit only 17k unbuffered we still end up dieing to enrage timers from time to time; act 3 and act 4, really wish blizz would remove them makes our tanky builds pretty pointless if they just have auto kill you abilties. I go a concussion and resolve high armor damage mitigation etc d3 is terribly disposed to more dps less armor. I'm sure you can herp derp your way though act 3 with just 20-30k hp, 1k LOH, 6k armor 700ar and 30k+ damage. thanks for the response, good supporting evidence since it's pretty much from actual experience. so basically daozzt's damage whoring build is the best and only way to herpderp through act 3, =), thanks again for the confirmation | ||
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seiferoth10
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
On June 30 2012 03:09 xusam wrote: thanks for the response, good supporting evidence since it's pretty much from actual experience. so basically daozzt's damage whoring build is the best and only way to herpderp through act 3, =), thanks again for the confirmation With Daozzt's items you could probably make any build work. On June 30 2012 03:12 seiferoth10 wrote: I don't know what level of "herpderp" you're going for, but I really doubt you'd ever be able to just take arcane/desecrator to the face and live. Maybe if you had pretty much max LoH... 2400 from DW, 600 from rings, 600 from amulet, almost 4k LoH. That actually would be fun to try out. Or go for damage and hit some life steal. P.S. less herpderp please. | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
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xusam
United States419 Posts
then i get into act 3 and the minute i dash in with thunderclap, i pretty much die in less than 3sec after my Serenity runs out, i even tried keen eyes instead of FoT but to no avail =/. from what i can see from the posts in this thread my conclusion is in order for me to compensate for my lazy playstyle I'll need to just keep farming act 2 until i can buy crit gear to raise my dmg above 30k since it's only 15k atm, @charger, thanks I'll check out your older post on your equip and build edit: also i don't really "farm", it's more like i want something to do while i'm watching gsl, proleague, or tv shows, the first play through of d3 was fun and i did nothing but play d3, but now i kind of use d3 as mostly something to do to keep my hands busy (nothing dirty lol) i don't mind farming act 2 lazy style for a long time or if i get impatient i might just unload money in the rmah but it's good to know what i'm aiming for i didn't want to max out on AR and armor and LoH and find that i still can't lazy my way through act3 like i'm doing in act2 =) but now i know thanks to the guys here that dmg whoring is the way to go with minimum 700 AR, 6k armor, 1k LoH | ||
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Jisall
United States2054 Posts
On June 30 2012 03:21 Charger wrote: Unrelated but how do you all farm with your monk? I have a 60 WD glass cannon build that I'm currently using but I don't think I'd be able to do much in Act III+ since I couldn't even do that pre patch. But with my monk I feel I could actually maybe make it work but dex, res, loh, etc, AND mf stats on gear would be insanely expensive. I only have a solid farm route for Act 1, haven't figured out the other acts yet. Crypt's - 2-3 Elites at the start of the crypt's and maybe one in the yard. Festering - 2 elites in caves, 2-3 in jungle Highlands - Tower. Once i had more elites then white mobs spawn. Leoric's courtyard - 1 elite Butcher run - probably around 7 elites plus warden and butcher. Imo the gear in Act 1 is not worth it. just running the quest lines in act 2 + and hitting all the caves will get you some good gear. | ||
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leser
Croatia239 Posts
I'm pretty sure I could go through A3/4 with my current gear/spec setup, but I'd probably die a few times and possibly skip a pack or two, and I really dislike both possibilities. Anyway, the thing I find bad with monk is kind of his mobility. I feel that DH's are the best farming class by far, since they can move around soooooooo fast, I'm extremely jealous of their abilities/passives :/. But other than the mobility issue, I find monk farming extremely efficient. I never die unless I fuck up big time, so repair costs are basically non-existant and I find monk very very fun to play. | ||
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Pwere
Canada1556 Posts
I have no idea why the slower hitting skills also have lower LoHit values, but that's the way it is. As for clearing Act 3 without watching: even if you were somehow able to do it, Act 2 might still be better because it's simply that much faster and has more chests/gobs. Barbs can actually do the A3 stuff in sprint/dps mode, and A2 is still better even for them. | ||
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xusam
United States419 Posts
On June 30 2012 03:38 leser wrote: Since the AS nerf I can't stand going with a shield. with 900LOH/650AR/5.5k armor/22-23k dps I can pretty much breeze through A2 in DPS spec without dying. I've decided not to go forward (i don't feel pressured to kill inferno diablo at all) in acts until I can do it with my dps spec since I find the shield/deadly reach playstyle extremely tedious and boring. Currently I'm up to 60% (yaaaaay) mf in my current gear, going to take it slow and make my way through a3/4 with my dpsmf gear/spec in about two-three months. I'm pretty sure I could go through A3/4 with my current gear/spec setup, but I'd probably die a few times and possibly skip a pack or two, and I really dislike both possibilities. Anyway, the thing I find bad with monk is kind of his mobility. I feel that DH's are the best farming class by far, since they can move around soooooooo fast, I'm extremely jealous of their abilities/passives :/. But other than the mobility issue, I find monk farming extremely efficient. I never die unless I fuck up big time, so repair costs are basically non-existant and I find monk very very fun to play. the thing is DH might be efficient farming if the player were only playing d3, i like to think of melee as the most efficient farming class because the player can play and watch tv therefore doubling their efficient time usage, watch tv/sc tournaments AND play d3, =) | ||
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xusam
United States419 Posts
On June 30 2012 03:44 Pwere wrote: Anyone with a decent amount of LoHit should basically always use Thunderclap. Deadly Reach is nice for the defensive bonus, but Thunderclap gives you 375% LoHit per 3 swings, while Deadly Reach is only at 245%. Deadly Reach is also much slower, deals less damage and tends to hit less targets when it matters most (i.e. semi-surrounded by elites). Lightning Flash is somewhere around 275%, and crippling wave/WotHF are around 200%. I have no idea why the slower hitting skills also have lower LoHit values, but that's the way it is. As for clearing Act 3 without watching: even if you were somehow able to do it, Act 2 might still be better because it's simply that much faster and has more chests/gobs. Barbs can actually do the A3 stuff in sprint/dps mode, and A2 is still better even for them. thanks for the advice, since act 2 is more efficient than act 3 i'll probably just farm act 2 and buy wizard gear for my wife lol, instead of buffing my damage to lazy farm in act3, she hates using the AH so her gear is way worse, and it probably makes more sense for me to buff her dmg first seems like there isn't much motivation for me to be able to replicate my act2 playstyle in act 3 i really appreciate your advice along with everyone else's advice. it really helps me to save time on trial and error. edit: also your advice regarding FoT and DR is really good because i was wondering why i was dying just as fast with keen eyes vs. using FoT in act 3 i appreciate you using numbers to back up your reasoning, makes it much easier to understand xD edit 2: @seiferoth, that's what i didn't want to do lol, what if i had maxed out on 4k LoH and find that it doesn't work and i still die, lol, best for me to stick to what's already been done lol, once again i'm lazy with this stuff =) | ||
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
On June 30 2012 03:32 xusam wrote: lol yea, sorry about overusing "herpderp" but i guess a better description is holding down FoT thunderclap to dash into mobs, that way less manual running around lol, while watching tv and spamming BoH and Serenity when they come off CD but since i'm watching tv the skills will be spammed as soon as they are off CD, most I'd want to look at the screen for would be to find the next group of mobs =), so far i'm able to do that in act 2, ie. stand in desecrate, poison, arcane beams, jump into middle of the elite packs without kiting and do what i described previously while watching tv. then i get into act 3 and the minute i dash in with thunderclap, i pretty much die in less than 3sec after my Serenity runs out, i even tried keen eyes instead of FoT but to no avail =/. from what i can see from the posts in this thread my conclusion is in order for me to compensate for my lazy playstyle I'll need to just keep farming act 2 until i can buy crit gear to raise my dmg above 30k since it's only 15k atm, @charger, thanks I'll check out your older post on your equip and build edit: also i don't really "farm", it's more like i want something to do while i'm watching gsl, proleague, or tv shows, the first play through of d3 was fun and i did nothing but play d3, but now i kind of use d3 as mostly something to do to keep my hands busy (nothing dirty lol) i don't mind farming act 2 lazy style for a long time or if i get impatient i might just unload money in the rmah but it's good to know what i'm aiming for i didn't want to max out on AR and armor and LoH and find that i still can't lazy my way through act3 like i'm doing in act2 =) but now i know thanks to the guys here that dmg whoring is the way to go with minimum 700 AR, 6k armor, 1k LoH farming act 3 lazy style (sit still and right click) would require pretty much the godliest of godly gear. I'm playing pretty tanky with nice stats (930 res all, 8k armor, 1k loh, 25k dps) and I still have to be careful and pay attention not to die to multiple element packs in act 3....its still easy to clear overall but like people say its a matter of efficiency. It just makes no sense to farm act 3 when I can play act 2 and pretty much just sit there tank any pack and kill multiple packs at once without breaking a sweat -_-. The rewards for a3/4 need to be at least 3-4x better for them to be worth running cause it takes around 3-4x more time to clear. But that's clearly not the case atm | ||
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xusam
United States419 Posts
On June 30 2012 04:20 antelope591 wrote: farming act 3 lazy style (sit still and right click) would require pretty much the godliest of godly gear. I'm playing pretty tanky with nice stats (930 res all, 8k armor, 1k loh, 25k dps) and I still have to be careful and pay attention not to die to multiple element packs in act 3....its still easy to clear overall but like people say its a matter of efficiency. It just makes no sense to farm act 3 when I can play act 2 and pretty much just sit there tank any pack and kill multiple packs at once without breaking a sweat -_-. The rewards for a3/4 need to be at least 3-4x better for them to be worth running cause it takes around 3-4x more time to clear. But that's clearly not the case atm very well said, in a way i'm super happy to know that theres really no reason for me to farm act3 atm. thanks for the confirmation. xD | ||
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aseq
Netherlands3977 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On June 30 2012 04:20 antelope591 wrote: farming act 3 lazy style (sit still and right click) would require pretty much the godliest of godly gear. I'm playing pretty tanky with nice stats (930 res all, 8k armor, 1k loh, 25k dps) and I still have to be careful and pay attention not to die to multiple element packs in act 3....its still easy to clear overall but like people say its a matter of efficiency. It just makes no sense to farm act 3 when I can play act 2 and pretty much just sit there tank any pack and kill multiple packs at once without breaking a sweat -_-. The rewards for a3/4 need to be at least 3-4x better for them to be worth running cause it takes around 3-4x more time to clear. But that's clearly not the case atm Similar levels of gear and I'd completely agree. I can either go full dps spec(monk, overawe,FoT,SW,ally,blazing wrath,blind) in act 2, and just rofl all over everything, or I can spec defensively and spend 3-4x as long killing elites in act 3/4. | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
On June 30 2012 12:05 aseq wrote: I find it really annoying that farming act 1 (butcher runs) is so easy that you can just stand in anything, then in act 2 I have trouble with at least half the elites. Is there nothing in between? Also, where in Act 2 do most people farm? Atm i'm kinda bored with the game being either too easy or hard, while i'm also disliking the process of farming and playing Auction House Hero 3. You REALLY would have hated it pre patch then cause it was a significantly bigger jump from Act 1 to Act 2. You probably just need to gear up a bit more, some specifics of your build and class and stats would be helpful. Also, I haven't found much worth farming in Act 2 besides goblins given the ease at which Act 1 runs go for nearly the same quality of items. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
Since I received some great help the last time I posted in this thread (notably from Slayer91 and seiferoth10), I have a few more questions regarding my gear/skills. I'm a lvl 60 monk currently stuck in Inferno Act 3: I just can't beat Ghom. My main problem, I guess, is that I have no LoH or life steal, and I therefore can't stay in his gas clouds long enough to do any significant damage. Now, to give you some background info, I had chosen the route of high attack speed before patch 1.03. I've been reading this thread and the praise critical hit has been getting since the patch, but apparently if you decide to go for crit hit dmg you need to completely orient your gear towards it and I just don't have the money for that right now (2.8 mil currently). My question therefore is: should I save as much money as I can and then buy a weapon with LoH or life steal (and how much LoH or life steal should I aim for?)? What should the other stats on the weapon look like? I'd really like to avoid losing too much attack speed. Subsidiary questions: - What else do you think I should change in my gear/skills/anything else? - Mantra of healing with time of need makes my resist all go from 643 to 772. Should I be using it instead of mantra of evasion with hard target? (maybe at least against Ghom?) - Is there any way to calculate an equivalence between a certain a/s increase and a certain critical hit dmg/critical hit chance increase before buying an item? Here are my stats (without buffs): + Show Spoiler [Here are my details] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Pg9Uh.jpg) + Show Spoiler [Here is my gear] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0LlAm.jpg) + Show Spoiler [Here are the skills I'm using] + My build Note that I used to play with air ally, but I put blinding flash back lately because I'm either farming act 1 (and want to go through it as fast as possible) or trying against Ghom (which needs me to do as much damage as possible) - in addition to me having a rather high a/s already and therefore plenty of spirit. Any help will be very appreciated since I'm really stuck right now - thanks in advance! :-) | ||
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Ryukku
Singapore545 Posts
On June 30 2012 23:33 kwizach wrote: Hey everyone! Since I received some great help the last time I posted in this thread (notably from Slayer91 and seiferoth10), I have a few more questions regarding my gear/skills. I'm a lvl 60 monk currently stuck in Inferno Act 3: I just can't beat Ghom. My main problem, I guess, is that I have no LoH or life steal, and I therefore can't stay in his gas clouds long enough to do any significant damage. Now, to give you some background info, I had chosen the route of high attack speed before patch 1.03. I've been reading this thread and the praise critical hit has been getting since the patch, but apparently if you decide to go for crit hit dmg you need to completely orient your gear towards it and I just don't have the money for that right now (2.8 mil currently). My question therefore is: should I save as much money as I can and then buy a weapon with LoH or life steal (and how much LoH or life steal should I aim for?)? What should the other stats on the weapon look like? I'd really like to avoid losing too much attack speed. Subsidiary questions: - What else do you think I should change in my gear/skills/anything else? - Mantra of healing with time of need makes my resist all go from 643 to 772. Should I be using it instead of mantra of evasion with hard target? (maybe at least against Ghom?) - Is there any way to calculate an equivalence between a certain a/s increase and a certain critical hit dmg/critical hit chance increase before buying an item? Here are my stats (without buffs): + Show Spoiler [Here are my details] + + Show Spoiler [Here is my gear] + + Show Spoiler [Here are the skills I'm using] + My build Note that I used to play with air ally, but I put blinding flash back lately because I'm either farming act 1 (and want to go through it as fast as possible) or trying against Ghom (which needs me to do as much damage as possible) - in addition to me having a rather high a/s already and therefore plenty of spirit. Any help will be very appreciated since I'm really stuck right now - thanks in advance! :-) Just wanted to throw in some of my own experience. Ghom is impossible to kill without LoH with the enrage timer. I have 2.3k LoH with a 1.96 attack speed and i can only heal through the first cloud once a 2nd stack comes in, i gotta run out. This makes it just nice to kill ghom easily without breaking a sweat. Without LoH i really dont see how a monk is supposed to kill Ghom with our long cooldowns. Unless we use some sort of range build which doesnt make any sense with the extra cloud he forms now. One option which i took when i couldnt afford LoH gear was searching for 1 h weapons with ~400 LoH at about the 600-700 dps range. You can find them at about 900-1mil gold (prepatch. I think they are cheaper now). What i did was to dual wield to compensate for the loss of IAS. Your hp and resists are in the sweet spot to farm act 3. You can sacrifice some dps for LoH. i could farm act 3 comfortably (save herald of pestilences and colossal gorgons) with 18k dps(with BoH buff and enchantress 2% buff) and 1.5k LoH and 650 resists with 29k hp previously before nerf. Regarding your skills, i would swap out transcendence with resolve. Transcendence isnt as good with the IAS nerf and our spirit generation is shit now so we cant spam our auras for easy heals. and sweeping wind.... why the fire one haha. I prefer cyclone or blade storm. But i get you were going for a dps build. However cyclone works really well with the passive skill resolve cause the cyclones can reach the range units. Just my 2 cents. But like every game, play to enjoy! so you should always play it in your style =D EDIT: to answer your qns regarding what to do with your gold, i would say save up to buy a good weapon. Ideally you would want a weapon that has about 700~LoH but those with good dps usually come for a hefty price. The Ideal weapon would be LoH/Dex/Vit/Ias/Crit damage 1k+ dps. So any of those along with the LoH would be what you are looking for | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
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