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On February 10 2013 02:55 Slackzftw wrote:
Just get the Vit on another item lol! Its way cheaper than to get it on the Belt...
Especially with the craftable items you'll have a good chance to get 100+vit on your amu.
We're really having an argument about whether getting vit on an IK belt is a good idea? Vit is never a bad idea, and honestly, 4m isn't that much gold to me.
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On February 10 2013 03:04 Eschaton wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 02:55 Slackzftw wrote:
Just get the Vit on another item lol! Its way cheaper than to get it on the Belt...
Especially with the craftable items you'll have a good chance to get 100+vit on your amu. We're really having an argument about whether getting vit on an IK belt is a good idea? Vit is never a bad idea, and honestly, 4m isn't that much gold to me.
Doesn't matter if its 4M or 400M. You wasted money. And Vit IS a bad idea if you have too much. You don't need more than 40k for MP-Farming. Better get 50 Physical Resist on IK Belt, way better.
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He doesn't have too much life, and vitality is expensive in every slot.
Only thing I can say is, as always, when you're over 900vit try searching for %life instead. On EU for the same money (4mil) you can get 10-12% life.
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On February 10 2013 01:05 kafkaesque wrote:
Thinking about getting back into the game; is WW still the only viable build for Paragon farming?
My Barb right now is naked, Level 60+37 and has 0 Gold - how would I go about getting back the quickest? Naked Normal farming? PayPal, alas, isn't an option right now.
WW, HotA, then I think some variations of Weapon Throw builds, maybe Rend with a 2H and some other cookie-cutter build. WW is still the best though.
Naked and 0 gold? :|
Don't know, add me (BigG#2621) and I'll give you some (bad) item.
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On February 10 2013 05:45 Big G wrote:
He doesn't have too much life, and vitality is expensive in every slot.
Only thing I can say is, as always, when you're over 900vit try searching for %life instead. On EU for the same money (4mil) you can get 10-12% life.
Found this for 800k, but 10%+ is more like 10m and above. It'll be the ~ the same HP as the vit belt, I think I'll take it and get some gs back from the other.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lRN3LuG.jpg)
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If 7% life is worth 800k and 10% is 10mil, the latter is severely overpriced. In this situation you should always go for free bid auctions.
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On February 10 2013 07:16 Big G wrote:
If 7% life is worth 800k and 10% is 10mil, the latter is severely overpriced. In this situation you should always go for free bid auctions.
The 7% was very underpriced, most are priced ~3-6m depending on str.
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Either way. A IK Belt for <2m is enough. My next belt will be this IAS/CHD Belt. A IK Belt for over like 2m is just not worth it. You spend so much more for a minor difference. Its not like 1-2k more HP would matter. In MP0-8 you can't die anyways.
I'm happy with stacking 900+ Physical Resist and therefore lack HP a bit.
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On February 10 2013 07:43 Slackzftw wrote:
Either way. A IK Belt for <2m is enough. My next belt will be this IAS/CHD Belt. A IK Belt for over like 2m is just not worth it. You spend so much more for a minor difference. Its not like 1-2k more HP would matter. In MP0-8 you can't die anyways.
I'm happy with stacking 900+ Physical Resist and therefore lack HP a bit.
I'd like to use this WH i have laying around from my wiz, but eh, LS/STR/AR is nice from IK. Not selling it atm in hopes i can work it in later.
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Dude, once you reach a certain level you spend "so much more for a minor difference" in EVERY slot. Yesterday I was happy to spend 180mil for a whopping +22str on my IK boots (well, at least I sold the old ones for 90).
If you want offensive stats on jewelry, gloves, bracers, helm etc there are few slots left which you can put vitality in. Sure, IK belt with physical res is a nice ad inexpensive alternative, and I often say exactly that ("random roll is key"), but it doesn't solve the need of those 40k hp.
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Hi, during the last weeks, i bought some upgrades for my barb and im quickly approaching the point where i dont know how to improve him anymore without spending 100M+ on a single item...
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BlackXistenZ-2929/hero/3406592
immediate updates that are possible and should be cheap: vit on ik belt, a buriza for my scoundrel and replacing the str/vit unity with one that has str/allres. and the hellfire ring could be better, but upgrading this one would take sooo much time. :/ the amu will obviously be upgraded after the patch....
but all these upgrades are rather ineffective in terms of dps. my budget isnt very large as i dont get to play enough lately, so i really wonder how i could see significant increases in dps (without simply giving up tons of survivability). in the long run, i will obviously want crit lacunis, a crit mempo, and stuff like that. but this is way beyond my possibilities right now...
thoughts or feedback?
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Yeah Lacuni with cc is the next major upgrade if you want more dps (after the belt, Unity, maybe boots), but you have to give up those AR. Try with strength, 4%cc and for defensive props search for +armor, or high physical res, or reduced melee/ranged damage. You can gain something similar on boots (Fire Walkers!).
Edit: these expire in 8h:
![[image loading]](http://i48.tinypic.com/30c4sc5.jpg)
You should gain a lot of EHP.
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On February 10 2013 08:32 Black Gun wrote:Hi, during the last weeks, i bought some upgrades for my barb and im quickly approaching the point where i dont know how to improve him anymore without spending 100M+ on a single item... http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BlackXistenZ-2929/hero/3406592immediate updates that are possible and should be cheap: vit on ik belt, a buriza for my scoundrel and replacing the str/vit unity with one that has str/allres. and the hellfire ring could be better, but upgrading this one would take sooo much time. :/ the amu will obviously be upgraded after the patch.... but all these upgrades are rather ineffective in terms of dps. my budget isnt very large as i dont get to play enough lately, so i really wonder how i could see significant increases in dps (without simply giving up tons of survivability). in the long run, i will obviously want crit lacunis, a crit mempo, and stuff like that. but this is way beyond my possibilities right now... thoughts or feedback?
Drop the IK chest for a Tyrael's Might with vitality roll, so you can exchange your rare boots for ice climbers without movespeed (should easily net you more survivability and dps without even factoring in the damage vs elites/demons from Tyrael's). And you should even get some money given that IK chests are extremely overpriced. Alternatively go Inna's pants/ Iceclimbers although that will cost you some survivability, but will boost dps by a lot.
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On February 10 2013 08:53 Big G wrote:Yeah Lacuni with cc is the next major upgrade if you want more dps (after the belt, Unity, maybe boots), but you have to give up those AR. Try with strength, 4%cc and for defensive props search for +armor, or high physical res, or reduced melee/ranged damage. You can gain something similar on boots (Fire Walkers!). Edit: these expire in 8h: You should gain a lot of EHP.
How much damage do firewalkers do for a WW barb, anyway?
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On February 10 2013 09:28 Turin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 08:32 Black Gun wrote:Hi, during the last weeks, i bought some upgrades for my barb and im quickly approaching the point where i dont know how to improve him anymore without spending 100M+ on a single item... http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BlackXistenZ-2929/hero/3406592immediate updates that are possible and should be cheap: vit on ik belt, a buriza for my scoundrel and replacing the str/vit unity with one that has str/allres. and the hellfire ring could be better, but upgrading this one would take sooo much time. :/ the amu will obviously be upgraded after the patch.... but all these upgrades are rather ineffective in terms of dps. my budget isnt very large as i dont get to play enough lately, so i really wonder how i could see significant increases in dps (without simply giving up tons of survivability). in the long run, i will obviously want crit lacunis, a crit mempo, and stuff like that. but this is way beyond my possibilities right now... thoughts or feedback? Drop the IK chest for a Tyrael's Might with vitality roll, so you can exchange your rare boots for ice climbers without movespeed (should easily net you more survivability and dps without even factoring in the damage vs elites/demons from Tyrael's). And you should even get some money given that IK chests are extremely overpriced. Alternatively go Inna's pants/ Iceclimbers although that will cost you some survivability, but will boost dps by a lot.
innas + ice climbers would cost me too much survivability. i really like the idea of using tyraels, but i had this idea as well and discarded it. lacunis are required for the ias bonus on them, so i cant replace those. so the only gear slot where i could exploit the movement speed i gain from tyraels are the boots. now, if i use a 180/180 str/vit tyraels, i gain some few vita compared to my ik chest but lose about 300 armor and around 140 strength. by replacing my current boots with ice climbers, i would gain some few life (note that i already have plenty of life %, so that the life % on the boots is not thaaat effective anymore.) since i could afford approximately 240 str ice climbers, i would gain about 140 strength compared to my current boots. and ofc 15-25 res. such ice climbers and such a tyraels would together cost about 50-60 mil, while my IK chest could at most sell for around 45 mil nominal gold, ie slightly less than 40 mil after ah fee.
effectively, i would thus pay 10-20 mil for stagnant str, some res gains and armor losses, slightly more life and the bonus to elites and to demons.
this, however, would require me to find a good tyraels for a good price which can take lots of time, and it would require me to actually manage to sell my IK chest for that price.
also keep in mind that my gems are rather low, and this gear rochade would trade 3 sockets for only 1 socket, so that it would in the long run mean a strength loss.
if i'd use a tyraels with sockets, i would effectively trade ~ 180 vita for 150 str (compared to the 180/180 tyraels), plus i'd have to pay for such a tyraels. i just checked them and those 3 sox ones go for much higher prices. would easily cost me 30-40 million more than the 180/180 tyraels version.
dont get me wrong, this whole thing is certainly an intriguing idea, but it doesnt convice me yet. maybe i will consider it when i got more gold to spend.
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In fact it doesn't make much sense. You can probably gain dps with ~250str/70vit Tyrael and good Ice Climbers at the cost of a lot of vitality, which I wouldn't recommend since you're already going to lose the vit on Unity and maybe Lacuni.
I guess you haven't checked those Fire Walkers... too bad.
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On February 10 2013 11:49 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 09:28 Turin wrote:On February 10 2013 08:32 Black Gun wrote:Hi, during the last weeks, i bought some upgrades for my barb and im quickly approaching the point where i dont know how to improve him anymore without spending 100M+ on a single item... http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BlackXistenZ-2929/hero/3406592immediate updates that are possible and should be cheap: vit on ik belt, a buriza for my scoundrel and replacing the str/vit unity with one that has str/allres. and the hellfire ring could be better, but upgrading this one would take sooo much time. :/ the amu will obviously be upgraded after the patch.... but all these upgrades are rather ineffective in terms of dps. my budget isnt very large as i dont get to play enough lately, so i really wonder how i could see significant increases in dps (without simply giving up tons of survivability). in the long run, i will obviously want crit lacunis, a crit mempo, and stuff like that. but this is way beyond my possibilities right now... thoughts or feedback? Drop the IK chest for a Tyrael's Might with vitality roll, so you can exchange your rare boots for ice climbers without movespeed (should easily net you more survivability and dps without even factoring in the damage vs elites/demons from Tyrael's). And you should even get some money given that IK chests are extremely overpriced. Alternatively go Inna's pants/ Iceclimbers although that will cost you some survivability, but will boost dps by a lot. innas + ice climbers would cost me too much survivability. i really like the idea of using tyraels, but i had this idea as well and discarded it. lacunis are required for the ias bonus on them, so i cant replace those. so the only gear slot where i could exploit the movement speed i gain from tyraels are the boots. now, if i use a 180/180 str/vit tyraels, i gain some few vita compared to my ik chest but lose about 300 armor and around 140 strength. by replacing my current boots with ice climbers, i would gain some few life (note that i already have plenty of life %, so that the life % on the boots is not thaaat effective anymore.) since i could afford approximately 240 str ice climbers, i would gain about 140 strength compared to my current boots. and ofc 15-25 res. such ice climbers and such a tyraels would together cost about 50-60 mil, while my IK chest could at most sell for around 45 mil nominal gold, ie slightly less than 40 mil after ah fee. effectively, i would thus pay 10-20 mil for stagnant str, some res gains and armor losses, slightly more life and the bonus to elites and to demons.
You also get two more randoms on the Ice Climbers. I like utility stats there like extra health from globes/pickup radius/physical resistance/fire resistance/magic find/100+ dex/+armor. So that would mean same/more survivability, boni vs demons/elites and two randoms for 10-20 mill. Sounds like a pretty efficient upgrade to me.
And I really think people undererestimate the value of %vs demons. Almost all annoying/high hp monsters in act 3 are demons, with the exception of those blobby beast mages. And versus those monsters wearing a Tyrael's compared to an IK chest is almost like having an extra Stone of Jordan.
I'd try to get a rather cheap Tyrael's (str +vit>300,%vs demons>12), which should cost about ten million and spend the rest on nice Ice Climbers. Then upgrade later on to a nearperfect Tyrael's (Str+vit>380, % vs demons >14, which cost about 40-60 million)
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On February 10 2013 05:53 Big G wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 01:05 kafkaesque wrote:
Thinking about getting back into the game; is WW still the only viable build for Paragon farming?
My Barb right now is naked, Level 60+37 and has 0 Gold - how would I go about getting back the quickest? Naked Normal farming? PayPal, alas, isn't an option right now. WW, HotA, then I think some variations of Weapon Throw builds, maybe Rend with a 2H and some other cookie-cutter build. WW is still the best though. Naked and 0 gold? :| Don't know, add me (BigG#2621) and I'll give you some (bad) item.
Thanks for the offer; I added you and will gladly accept the item-loan.
Definitely going to research HotA, seems much more fun than WW.
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Would be great if Blizz would change some spells to make other builds more Viable. 99.9% are probably playing WW Barbs, just because of the efficiency not because its fun.
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We need a complete overhaul though. Efficiency and survivability nowadays means perma-berserker and little else, so what can we do?
I'm happy (although bored after 800hours) with my HotA build, I'm fast enough and it feels more barbaresque than sprint-WW. But whenever I try something different (and believe me, I tried every single skill and rune) it always comes to the same problem: I need wotb to break CC effects and/or I need wotb for movement speed.
At the very least, things like Earthquake, Call of the Ancients and WT/Dread Bomb should be severely buffed to make 2H viable.
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