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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
imho they should just add a second MS cap that applies to all kinds of MS enhancement, not just those from items. alternatively, they could add new and diversified skills for moving from A to B quickly. but those are major design issues that wont be fixed anytime soon. | ||
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besiger
Croatia2452 Posts
Profile : http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Vorros-2768/hero/21530979 | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On February 11 2013 06:39 besiger wrote: Ive got a question, I cant keep my wotb up for more than 1 or 2 packs, im nowhere near keeping it up enough for it to come off CD again, what should I change ? Ive been using overpower/killing spree for the extra dps since i can keep it up all the time, but id really like the movespeed from perma WOTB. Im guessing I should get a CC lacuni and try to roll a CC hellfire or just switch it out for a CC AS ring since i dont care about paragon at this point. Would 10 cc more and some AS do the trick ? Profile : http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Vorros-2768/hero/21530979 Im no fan of cleave, but that shouldnt be the reason for your problem. your gear should also be good enough to keep it up on suitable MPs. therefore, i suspect one of two possible reasons: a) you dont spend fury when your fury ball is maxed while in wotb mode. only fury that is freshly generated counts for the thrive on chaos rune. b) you play on mp0 or 1. on these low MPs, someone with your dps would kill mobs so fast that he cant refresh his wotb enough to keep it up for prolonged amounts of time. this is normal, just switch to mp3-5. | ||
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besiger
Croatia2452 Posts
On February 11 2013 07:12 Black Gun wrote: Im no fan of cleave, but that shouldnt be the reason for your problem. your gear should also be good enough to keep it up on suitable MPs. therefore, i suspect one of two possible reasons: a) you dont spend fury when your fury ball is maxed while in wotb mode. only fury that is freshly generated counts for the thrive on chaos rune. b) you play on mp0 or 1. on these low MPs, someone with your dps would kill mobs so fast that he cant refresh his wotb enough to keep it up for prolonged amounts of time. this is normal, just switch to mp3-5. Is bash that much better ? I use cleave because I can fill my whole fury with 1 swing on several mobs or barrels/crates. And yeah I usually run on mp 1 or 2, If I could keep my wotb up permanently would I be as fast on mp4 ? | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On February 11 2013 07:16 besiger wrote: Is bash that much better ? I use cleave because I can fill my whole fury with 1 swing on several mobs or barrels/crates. And yeah I usually run on mp 1 or 2, If I could keep my wotb up permanently would I be as fast on mp4 ? i personally prefer bash, but i think cleave works as well. but yes, that you run on mp1 or 2 with 200k dps is the main issue. try to go to mp3, there, i can keep it up. on mp4, you can certainly keep it up most of the time, but your overall killspeed is probably too low. if i were you, id try mp3. | ||
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nV[MB]
Poland58 Posts
On February 11 2013 06:08 Black Gun wrote:basically, movementspeed is so important as is cc immunity that perma-wotb is the single most important thing in the world for barbs. Im personally not a fan of WotB at all, after like 20 hours of testing on different MPs I dropped it completely in favor of Rend. What I hate about it is that, regardless of speed/ as / cc bonuses it still requires me to chase mobs around AND forces higher MP if I want to keep the fury regen. Tried it on MP4 and 5 and I feel that without gamestyle changes I cant really keep it up for more than 70% of the time on MP4, and I always have it drop when I switch zones. Aargh. With rend I just run in the middle of the group, attack and sprint to other room. With my current damage that takes care of 90% of the regular groups even without rend crit, and crits (with SoJ) can kill weaker elite packs without me having to whirl around and place tornadoes. The only thing Id like to have WotB around is fear immunity, frozen grenades are easily dodgeable, jailer doesnt hurt me thanks to rend that more than doubles my healing. __ There are other imba ways to play barb, people just need to look for them ;p | ||
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Jaxx
Slovakia758 Posts
I got few pieces from other char (amu, ring, lacuni) and want to build barb for hota (ubers/high mp) or ww (exp/farming). Do I need different gearset for those? Tried hota with ias skorn as first option, went well up to mp6 (died a lot on higher probably because of low vit). Then farmed a bit with ww on mp1, but felt a bit low on fury + couldn't keep wotb. After reading last few comments, probably will try higher mp. The biggest problem I have are weapons - is skorn better for hots? What to go for on echoing fury (higher dps, high str, cd, socket) for reasonable price and what do I need on offhand (ls and loh on this one feels like overkill, prob should get higher dmg)? | ||
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nV[MB]
Poland58 Posts
On February 11 2013 20:41 Jaxx wrote:What to go for on echoing fury (higher dps, high str, cd, socket) for reasonable price and what do I need on offhand (ls and loh on this one feels like overkill, prob should get higher dmg)? No need for high dps on offhand, also I wouldnt be using EF in main hand, its damage is already inflated by the +attacks/second mod and its extremely overpriced. Id advice a very high base damage rare mace for MH and low damage fury with high +aps for offhand. Other mods on fury depending on what you can afford - socket/ life steal (not really necessary if you plan on using mighty belt with LS) or crit damage. | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
On February 11 2013 20:41 Jaxx wrote: I made a new barb recently and could use some advice with gearing - http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Jaxx-2164/hero/24647999. I'm not decided how much I want to invest, probably 50-100m. I got few pieces from other char (amu, ring, lacuni) and want to build barb for hota (ubers/high mp) or ww (exp/farming). Do I need different gearset for those? Tried hota with ias skorn as first option, went well up to mp6 (died a lot on higher probably because of low vit). Then farmed a bit with ww on mp1, but felt a bit low on fury + couldn't keep wotb. After reading last few comments, probably will try higher mp. The biggest problem I have are weapons - is skorn better for hots? What to go for on echoing fury (higher dps, high str, cd, socket) for reasonable price and what do I need on offhand (ls and loh on this one feels like overkill, prob should get higher dmg)? to make a hota build work, you need quite high attack speed. therefore, skorns are not really good for that kind of build. skorns work great with rend, but not with hota. unfortunately, i personally think that your current gear level plus 50-100m wont be enough to make a hota build work. | ||
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Jaxx
Slovakia758 Posts
Btw. when talking about attack speed, I bought full IK set only for 5 item bonus, if it's better to just leave some parts and go for other items I can do that. I have leftover witching hour, andariel's is really cheap and it should be possible to get decent ias gloves too. What are the requirements for you to consider this build as working? | ||
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DODswe4
Sweden2157 Posts
On February 12 2013 08:34 Jaxx wrote: Huh, that surprised me, maybe you don't mean the same when talking whether build works. I don't really need to faceroll mp10, just wanted some tips what should I aim for, since I have very limited barb knowledge. Btw. when talking about attack speed, I bought full IK set only for 5 item bonus, if it's better to just leave some parts and go for other items I can do that. I have leftover witching hour, andariel's is really cheap and it should be possible to get decent ias gloves too. What are the requirements for you to consider this build as working? I have been playing hota with skorn, what you want is 100% crit on hota when at full fury and enough attack speed to generate fury so that wotb dont fall off. you need more attack speed then when you duel wield but you hit alot harder with 2h and combined with rend you wont die easily on ubers | ||
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Eschaton
United States1245 Posts
I didn't believe it, but cold SoJ is really crazy good for sprint-WW.. With my new barb, went from being able to do MP2 to MP5, at the same time ditching War Cry and adding rend. It would be really nice if I could ditch Bash, and use Overpower instead but there are those situations where fury is scarce. OP might help me keep up WotB for more than ~30-40% outside of Keep 2, but that should also get easier after I craft hundreds of gloves/amus and get some IAS on those slots XD. Still using carryover ring/shoulder from my wiz, but they work OK. Some Avg. Dmg on the ring would be nice, as well as some Vit on the shoulders, as I'm only a bit over 30k and it feels a little risky in MP5, I do die 1-2 times per run. I'm at 74m spent now (current glove/amu were throwaway ~250k ea), leaving me another 150m or so to throw at this toon. I plan to first see what kind of rolls I get on glove/amu and adjust the other gear from there, but what if any changes would you guys recommend right now to make MP5 faster/smoother? Faster/higher CD EF? Probably a +Vit VW? | ||
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nutzizme
United States130 Posts
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Nutz-1427/hero/14938757 | ||
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wooozy
3813 Posts
On February 12 2013 10:00 nutzizme wrote: hi guys, some advice please on what to upgrade/fix. just came back to d3 and now theres monster power and ubers. id like to get back into things. helps to post your profile | ||
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nutzizme
United States130 Posts
woops meant to paste | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
Howd I do for ~81m? I figure I will craft gloves/amulet in next patch and since my AR is a touch low (400 unbuffed, though like 550 physical res) I might swap helm for a mempo? Or are there other options? | ||
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Big G
Italy835 Posts
On February 12 2013 08:34 Jaxx wrote: Huh, that surprised me, maybe you don't mean the same when talking whether build works. I don't really need to faceroll mp10, just wanted some tips what should I aim for, since I have very limited barb knowledge. Btw. when talking about attack speed, I bought full IK set only for 5 item bonus, if it's better to just leave some parts and go for other items I can do that. I have leftover witching hour, andariel's is really cheap and it should be possible to get decent ias gloves too. What are the requirements for you to consider this build as working? With IK set and Unforgiving you can keep up sprint/marathon forever. IMO one of the most underrated things you can do. As for requirements, you need enough cc on gear to reach 95-100% cc with HotA at max fury (items with +fury, such as IK belt, are very useful if not necessary), enough aps to keep WotB up (I'm at 2.22 unbuffed aps and I consider it the bare minimum to make the build work), and a bit more survivability than you're used to see for sprint-WW. Life steal is better than loh for obvious reasons. | ||
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Conquest101
United States1395 Posts
On February 12 2013 10:00 nutzizme wrote: hi guys, some advice please on what to upgrade/fix. just came back to d3 and now theres monster power and ubers. id like to get back into things. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Nutz-1427/hero/14938757 Sockets on your weapons. You probably don't need that much LOH either. Can afford to drop some, especially since upgrading your other slots should hopefully increase your Life/EHP. Increasing your dps will also make your LS a lot better, further negating the need for so much LOH. You can get a better chest/pants/shoulders/bracers for dirt cheap. Try to get 24% MS from one of those slots (minus shoulders of course). Better jewelery should be pretty cheap too. Those are just the things that jump out at me at first glance. On February 12 2013 08:44 Eschaton wrote: I didn't believe it, but cold SoJ is really crazy good for sprint-WW.. Haha, so after seeing this I picked up a mid range (26%) cold damage SOJ to test out. I drop like 15k+ sheet dps but holy crap it makes killing elites so damn smooth. Basically makes the fear on EF a non-factor which is nice for certain elite types. Damage rate on elites is noticeably faster as well. | ||
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Conquest101
United States1395 Posts
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
all in all, i think it is wiser to go for a unity (that ring really has a great price/utility ratio!) and a scoundrel with multishot and a buriza with high pierce chance. the min-max-dam, 150+ str, 4.5cc and 4% bonus to elites on unity are quite hard to make up for. against elites, switching it out for a soj yielded about 4% more dps for me, while it meant a dps loss of almost 10% against all whites. but maybe the computation has differing results for other people. | ||
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