Demon Hunter - Builds/Discussion - Page 129

On August 10 2012 22:35 oneofthem wrote:
uh, it is actually pretty reasonable as long as you are not going for 100%

On August 10 2012 23:08 oneofthem wrote:
uh, if a person's budget is 2m he'll get a socket and a 70% crit gem at around 1100 dps. no dex bow is going to come close to that and things gets worse for dex as the budget climbs.

the archery thing is honestly not a big deal either.

On August 10 2012 21:54 Novalisk wrote:


You have Guardian Turret for a 15% damage reduction buff, Numbing Traps for a 25% damage debuff, and with Night Stalker you can have Gloom up very often.

This is what I use for taking down Ghom: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/demon-hunter#UYgkVe!XUV!cbYccc

On August 11 2012 01:32 Sylvr wrote:


I was wondering about Shuriken cloud actually. If it hits fast and scales off of ias, and has a halfway decent LOH coefficient, then it might let you face tank along with those other abilities without Gloom, and without sacrificing too much DPS stats for armor and AR.

On August 11 2012 01:32 Sylvr wrote:


I was wondering about Shuriken cloud actually. If it hits fast and scales off of ias, and has a halfway decent LOH coefficient, then it might let you face tank along with those other abilities without Gloom, and without sacrificing too much DPS stats for armor and AR.

On August 11 2012 02:06 dottycakes wrote:


Even without Shuriken Cloud it's better to just lay down more caltrops than waste discipline on Gloom. If you try to Gloom tank in a 4 player game, you are going to have a bad time.

sunsetter's DH LOH chart says Shuriken Cloud hits for 33% LOH per hit.

On August 11 2012 01:32 Sylvr wrote:


I was wondering about Shuriken cloud actually. If it hits fast and scales off of ias, and has a halfway decent LOH coefficient, then it might let you face tank along with those other abilities without Gloom, and without sacrificing too much DPS stats for armor and AR.

On August 11 2012 04:14 wintergt wrote:

You don't need Gloom or Guardian Turret, I only switch to Gloom on diablo to deal with the shadow clones and that's it. A month ago I decided to test what i was capable of with my 10 mil spent in gear, and I found 3 guys new to act 3 in a public game, and I rushed them through act 3 then act 4 and killed diablob (all the content, no game remake, took hours). You kill slow anyway, all you want to use discipline on is caltrops.

On August 09 2012 00:33 MysticaL wrote:
can you guys please stop falsely advertising that faster attack speed improves kiting...

the topic was already beaten to death and explained so clearly on the previous page (126), and now we're right back to people saying attack speed improves kiting...

I REALLY encourage you attack-speed enthusiasts to spend 5mil gold on 2 different gearsets:
1. focusing on attack speed gearset (aim for 40k dps)
2. focusing on crit gearset (aim for 40k dps)

I did this in the first month of the game, and you'll find it pretty funny on how badly the crit gearset w/ xbows outperforms the attack speed gearset... there is a reason the best geared DH in this game use 2h xbows

I guess the only thing left to do is ... well, watch people who refuse to listen make the same mistake over and over again... yeah yeah faster attack animation blah blah blah fancy explanations that amount to nothing when it comes to "practical" in-game scenarios

when you say you enjoy playing with 1h xbows because its fun, and you still have 100k dps and roll everything, that's perfectly fine, you should do what's fun for you... BUT please don't mislead players with lower DPS into thinking they'll have an easier time by stacking attack speed gear & using 1h xbows and doing insanely low dmg per bow-hit

On August 11 2012 04:33 Novalisk wrote:


Well at the very least Gloom helps at the start of fights before the ticks get going, and Guardian Turret is basically a free 15% DR for its discipline cost.

On August 11 2012 05:08 Baeksucho wrote:


I did the test (40k dps with a 1.68 2h xbow / and a 2.42 1hand xbow), they are both the same because they have the same damage PER SECOND.

The debate wasn't really "IAS vs CRIT" but "Does having more IAS help with kiting ?",
and the answer is yes. It is much easier to outrun mobs with a higher attack speed (not to mention less chance of overkill).

Now the initial burst is different because of the difference between Bow (more variation) / 2h Xbow (higher average damage), NOT because of having higher IAS

On August 11 2012 09:55 Sylvr wrote:
Well, the problem I was trying to solve was those times when you can't kite while using an Attack Speed build, as that is the main downfall of it IMO. It would most likely be Ball Lightning rather than Loaded for Bear.

Here's what I'm thinking:

Devouring or Gas Grenades for Hatred generator
Ball Lightning

Shuriken Cloud
Bats or Marked for Death, or anything really.
Jagged Spikes
Gloom

It feels like this should cover you for just about any situation. Can't kite? Cloud, Caltrops, Grenades and Gloom if you really need to. Kiting just fine? Caltrops and spam those Balls! It might even make kiting a little easier since you can just pop a cloud and not have to worry as much about running through a few trash mobs.

On August 11 2012 20:39 Toadily wrote:
I can't believe how many people still think this way before trying it for themselves or are just unfamiliar with how much damage is actually being dealt. I was a bow person and would never dream of going to a slow and clunky xbow when I tested both out when I was leveling. But after finally getting a 2h xbow I was literally blown away at how much damage I was dishing out AND kiting more efficient than before. Also helped with the carpal tunnel that I was probably about to get since my wrist actually started having this burning feeling.

Faster attack speed does indeed make kiting a little bit easier since there's still the attack point(frontswing) that cannot/do not want to cancel, but no human reaction can realistically make it so you cancel the backswing animation and then move and then attack right when you can start the attack animation again. When I was using a bow, i was easily over 2 atkps, so in a single second you have to time & click when your frontswing is done, move, when your backswing is done, move. You are ALWAYS gonna lose attacking time and therefore damage because of this, unless you're a robot and can click 4x a second all in different parts of the screen and time them all perfectly and accounting for latency.

So in order for you to do the SAME damage as a 2h xbow, you actually have to stay and shoot MORE than you'd as if you were using a 2h xbow simply because you only need to shoot and move once every 1.1 second instead of every .5 sec or more.


And as for crit on bows, you'll find a much better upgrade just looking for raw damage as opposed to having crit damage on it. People are way too crazy over crit damage and they've been overpriced to what they actually should be even if you had amazing crit/critdmg. I had 49% crit and 300 crit dmg and even at that point I still got more damage from raw damage than crit damage at the same price range.

e: even forgot to mention how terrible bow/handxbow's hatred efficiency is, I would never go back even if I had a perfectly rolled bow