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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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run.at.me
Australia550 Posts
On August 09 2012 17:00 KimJongChill wrote: Hi guys, can dual wield 1h xbows be as good as 2h bow/xbow for comparable costs? I want to start playing my DH again and I have a decent amount of money that I want to use to make a mf dh to farm act 1/2 in a fun way. Thoughts? For comparable cost, unfortunately no. The dps for 2 handers is just too high, and you would need two 500million 1 handers to compete with a 200mil 2hander dps wise (pulling figures out of my ass but thats the general idea) | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
clearly every analogy and metaphor must be provably false rofl and you guys kiting with frost arrows might want to remember that it's the frost arrow slow that makes it easier to kite, not the bow's aspd. | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On August 09 2012 17:00 KimJongChill wrote: Hi guys, can dual wield 1h xbows be as good as 2h bow/xbow for comparable costs? I want to start playing my DH again and I have a decent amount of money that I want to use to make a mf dh to farm act 1/2 in a fun way. Thoughts? The two setups play differently. I use 2 1-Handers, and basically I run up to a pack, pop SS, drop 2/3 of my hatred bar of ball lightnings and blow everything up, then I pop a couple devouring arrows to regen my hate and rinse and repeat. Dudes with 2Handers usually pop a couple cluster bombs to do the same thing. I think I'm better able to wipe out white mobs in a hurry so that nothing gets anywhere near me than I would be if I was shooting cluster bombs, but dudes with higher burst are able to deal with elites better than I can. I have to kite elites for a little bit unless I get really lucky with Prep cooldown not triggering. | ||
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Ig
United States417 Posts
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EntertainMe
864 Posts
Once pvp hits (who knows when), do you think Bows/Hand Bows will out-do all the X-bows because IAS is the KING attribute in PVP? At least in D2, if you didn't hit max ias, you were at HUGEEEE disadvantage. Personally, I think it will end up as Xbows for MF'ers, and Bows/Hand Bows for PvP'ers. Is it safe investment for me to buy all the high end IAS items? Let me know how you guys feel. | ||
TheMango
United States1967 Posts
On August 10 2012 08:32 EntertainMe wrote: Just a thought I wanted to share... Once pvp hits (who knows when), do you think Bows/Hand Bows will out-do all the X-bows because IAS is the KING attribute in PVP? At least in D2, if you didn't hit max ias, you were at HUGEEEE disadvantage. Personally, I think it will end up as Xbows for MF'ers, and Bows/Hand Bows for PvP'ers. Is it safe investment for me to buy all the high end IAS items? Let me know how you guys feel. I have a feeling some of the new legendaries will outshine even top rare rolls for pvp. Personally I'd wait for 1.04. | ||
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EZjijy
United States1039 Posts
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
Although, I'm wondering if perhaps there are some abilities that people haven't looked at closely enough yet that might make LOH tanking viable much like a Sprint/WW Barb. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On August 10 2012 10:22 Sylvr wrote: Speed builds look fun as hell, but the sad truth of the matter is that it's too risky. 4-affix elites have too many potential ways to keep you from kiting, and DH pretty much can't afford to be in damage range of the mobs for more than the duration of SS/Gloom. Although, I'm wondering if perhaps there are some abilities that people haven't looked at closely enough yet that might make LOH tanking viable much like a Sprint/WW Barb. LoH tanking is already viable, mostly through the Gas Grenades and Jagged Spikes Caltrops. The problem is that you don't have innate 30% damage reduction, and you don't have abilities that boost armor or resistances. So either you need great gear for armor and resistances, or you need Nat's Set for infinite Shadow Power/Gloom. | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
On August 10 2012 16:30 thoradycus wrote: Im saving up gold for 1 2h xbow. Sadly, +CD is out of the question because theyre so expensive. Therefore, is it better to just get a pure damage xbow, or the one with +IAS? i notice the +IAS xbow has lower damage. Im using ball lightning atm What is your budget and what are your expectations (i.e. what DPS weapon)? In my opinion, a weapon with +CD is better than a higher DPS weapon without. As for +IAS, I reckon it's not a useful stat at all if you're cost constrained - best to not filter for it even. | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
On August 10 2012 16:53 Azzur wrote: What is your budget and what are your expectations (i.e. what DPS weapon)? In my opinion, a weapon with +CD is better than a higher DPS weapon without. As for +IAS, I reckon it's not a useful stat at all if you're cost constrained - best to not filter for it even. sorry forgot to include those. ill have around 15m in the short run and im aiming for a 1400+ dps wep. I currently have a blue 1350 dps xbow. Maybe i can try aim for a lower dps xbow like 1250-1300 dps but with CD instead? | ||
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
On August 10 2012 17:11 thoradycus wrote: sorry forgot to include those. ill have around 15m in the short run and im aiming for a 1400+ dps wep. I currently have a blue 1350 dps xbow. Maybe i can try aim for a lower dps xbow like 1250-1300 dps but with CD instead? Actually, I'm in the same boat myself - once my stormshield  sells, I'm going to be in the same market as you for an xbow. I've only been able to test my theory using low cost weapons but will be interested to see the difference between a "1400+ DPS no +CD" weapon vs "1250-1300 DPS with +CD".Any DHs out there with experience in this field? If so, how do you estimate +CD in relation to overall DPS? | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
On August 10 2012 10:40 WolfintheSheep wrote: LoH tanking is already viable, mostly through the Gas Grenades and Jagged Spikes Caltrops. The problem is that you don't have innate 30% damage reduction, and you don't have abilities that boost armor or resistances. So either you need great gear for armor and resistances, or you need Nat's Set for infinite Shadow Power/Gloom. You have Guardian Turret for a 15% damage reduction buff, Numbing Traps for a 25% damage debuff, and with Night Stalker you can have Gloom up very often. This is what I use for taking down Ghom: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/demon-hunter#UYgkVe!XUV!cbYccc | ||
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TheMango
United States1967 Posts
On August 10 2012 17:56 Azzur wrote: Actually, I'm in the same boat myself - once my stormshield sells, I'm going to be in the same market as you for an xbow. I've only been able to test my theory using low cost weapons but will be interested to see the difference between a "1400+ DPS no +CD" weapon vs "1250-1300 DPS with +CD".Any DHs out there with experience in this field? If so, how do you estimate +CD in relation to overall DPS? you cant just compare that side by side. One is weapon base damage which dex/attack speed/etc are modifiers off of, and the other is a modifier (crit damage) which is affected by what your crit chance is. You need to plug in the numbers of the two weapons in a damage calculator and see for yourself. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
On August 10 2012 16:53 Azzur wrote: What is your budget and what are your expectations (i.e. what DPS weapon)? In my opinion, a weapon with +CD is better than a higher DPS weapon without. As for +IAS, I reckon it's not a useful stat at all if you're cost constrained - best to not filter for it even. If you can't get +CD on a weapon, +Dex is also good. My current weapon doesn't have CD, but it has almost +200 dex and high'ish DPS (Profile). Since Archery grants you +CD if you use an xbow, the DPS loss isn't too major. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
On August 10 2012 22:26 oneofthem wrote: dex on weapon is decent, but it is also pretty badly overpriced. you are better off sniping a socket xbow with high dmg that has a decently priced stat like vit on it instead. To be fair, high-end emeralds aren't cheap either. | ||
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