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On February 21 2011 20:45 phuzi0n wrote:
Her "fuckslits" blog is still active, she posted Korea pics to it, and her nickname is "milkies." These are slang for "vagina" and "breasts." When you are actively degrading yourself like this many employers will reject you. She is an obvious e-w***e.
fuckslits.tumblr.com
On that topic, did anyone note her asking Tasteless out at the end of the stream? I can't be sure because of her meh English, but that's what it sounded like.
Also, checking the GOMtv Forums, it looks like the mods have gone crazy and are feverishly eradicating more than half the posts that were made on there. And guess what, they were all about how crappy a caster she is.
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On February 21 2011 21:22 CoyoteTG wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 20:45 phuzi0n wrote:
Her "fuckslits" blog is still active, she posted Korea pics to it, and her nickname is "milkies." These are slang for "vagina" and "breasts." When you are actively degrading yourself like this many employers will reject you. She is an obvious e-w***e.
fuckslits.tumblr.com On that topic, did anyone note her asking Tasteless out at the end of the stream? I can't be sure because of her meh English, but that's what it sounded like. Also, checking the GOMtv Forums, it looks like the mods have gone crazy and are feverishly eradicating more than half the posts that were made on there. And guess what, they were all about how crappy a caster she is.
Miscommunication fortunately.
She meant asking HuK out on a "date". At least that's what I heard.
On February 21 2011 21:19 Ciel wrote:I think all of you guys are missing a very important point it this whole "why is kelly casting" business and that would be: "Artosis and Tasteless has requested that they would like some changes in their casting schedule." + Show Spoiler +So if you think about it that way she is actually helping them out because it may have been too tiring for them to cast so many games and I am sure if someone of much higher casting skillz and better history would have applied to GOMtv they would have given him the job but you gotta trust them that Kelly was the best choice and you have to respect their decision. I agree that her accent is a little weird but I dont think it is uncomprehensible and she may not know as much about the game than the Casting Archon but i bet she will improve with time. So if any of you not native english speakers feel you could do better live cast in front of the camera you should show it to the world and then maybe you will get a job at GOMtv too, until than live with it and try to enjoy.
Torch and Wolf have applied to cast as well. GOMTV chose Kelly over them for reasons I do not understand nor have they announced why.
In addition, you do not have to be a professional caster to judge someone that is supposed to bring entertainment to the games.
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On February 21 2011 21:19 Ciel wrote:
I think all of you guys are missing a very important point it this whole "why is kelly casting" business and that would be: "Artosis and Tasteless has requested that they would like some changes in their casting schedule." So if you think about it that way she is actually helping them out because it may have been too tiring for them to cast so many games and I am sure if someone of much higher casting skillz and better history would have applied to GOMtv they would have given him the job but you gotta trust them that Kelly was the best choice and you have to respect their decision. I agree that her accent is a little weird but I dont think it is uncomprehensible and she may not know as much about the game than the Casting Archon but i bet she will improve with time. So if any of you not native english speakers feel you could do better live cast in front of the camera you should show it to the world and then maybe you will get a job at GOMtv too, until than live with it and try to enjoy.
KMilk's last, if even, intention was to help Tasteless or Artosis lighten their burden. Please don't make her out to be something more than she is. She went for the job.
Unfortunately GomTV did not choose the most suitable caster. She may have had the most extensive resume though we really wouldn't know.
If you gave the casting a chance you would realize that GomTV made the wrong decision. They are running a program that requires customer satisfaction so the customer is always right. If we don't like it eventually we won't watch it and we won't pay. Down goes the revenue and down goes the sponsorship. Down goes the sinking ship.
Saying that she will improve will be unlikely because she is a Platinum player and had time to go to Diamond or Masters before GomTV. Instead she stayed Platinum and I doubt she will spend much time in Korea training like Artosis does.
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On February 21 2011 21:19 Ciel wrote:
I think all of you guys are missing a very important point it this whole "why is kelly casting" business and that would be: "Artosis and Tasteless has requested that they would like some changes in their casting schedule." So if you think about it that way she is actually helping them out because it may have been too tiring for them to cast so many games and I am sure if someone of much higher casting skillz and better history would have applied to GOMtv they would have given him the job but you gotta trust them that Kelly was the best choice and you have to respect their decision. I agree that her accent is a little weird but I dont think it is uncomprehensible and she may not know as much about the game than the Casting Archon but i bet she will improve with time. So if any of you not native english speakers feel you could do better live cast in front of the camera you should show it to the world and then maybe you will get a job at GOMtv too, until than live with it and try to enjoy.
Have you ever seen Artosis' Youtube? He provides many videos of himself solo casting which are both entertaining and informative. Tasteless, while I admit would not do as well by himself, would still be much more watchable without someone like Kelly weighing him down. Where in the rules does it say you need two casters for a game of Starcraft? I mean for god's sake, find someone qualified in America and get them on Skype. This is the 21st century.
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On February 21 2011 21:19 Ciel wrote:
I think all of you guys are missing a very important point it this whole "why is kelly casting" business and that would be: "Artosis and Tasteless has requested that they would like some changes in their casting schedule." So if you think about it that way she is actually helping them out because it may have been too tiring for them to cast so many games and I am sure if someone of much higher casting skillz and better history would have applied to GOMtv they would have given him the job but you gotta trust them that Kelly was the best choice and you have to respect their decision. I agree that her accent is a little weird but I dont think it is uncomprehensible and she may not know as much about the game than the Casting Archon but i bet she will improve with time. So if any of you not native english speakers feel you could do better live cast in front of the camera you should show it to the world and then maybe you will get a job at GOMtv too, until than live with it and try to enjoy.
Well great job sherlock, GOM announced they had to hire someone else to cast code A long ago.
None who carefully made a decision on whom to hire would pick someone called KellyTitties running a blog called Vagina.
There must've been a mistake.
She's done a terrible job so far imo, as basically everything she said was either:
A) Painfully obvious.
B) Nonsecical.
C) Not true.
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On February 21 2011 21:27 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 21:19 Ciel wrote:
I think all of you guys are missing a very important point it this whole "why is kelly casting" business and that would be: "Artosis and Tasteless has requested that they would like some changes in their casting schedule." So if you think about it that way she is actually helping them out because it may have been too tiring for them to cast so many games and I am sure if someone of much higher casting skillz and better history would have applied to GOMtv they would have given him the job but you gotta trust them that Kelly was the best choice and you have to respect their decision. I agree that her accent is a little weird but I dont think it is uncomprehensible and she may not know as much about the game than the Casting Archon but i bet she will improve with time. So if any of you not native english speakers feel you could do better live cast in front of the camera you should show it to the world and then maybe you will get a job at GOMtv too, until than live with it and try to enjoy. Have you ever seen Artosis' Youtube? He provides many videos of himself solo casting which are both entertaining and informative. Tasteless, while I admit would not do as well by himself, would still be much more watchable without someone like Kelly weighing him down. Where in the rules does it say you need two casters for a game of Starcraft? I mean for god's sake, find someone qualified in America and get them on Skype. This is the 21st century.
I suppose the lag will kill it. Korea and Japan's like the only place with awesome Internets.
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I went into tonight's sets pretty confident in the belief that the fears about her ability to commentate effectively were overblown. And coming out, I'm still pretty optimistic about Kelly's ability to become a functional, contributing commentator.
First, let's get the ugly things out of the way.
She had plenty of instances in which she got things wrong. Calling units by the wrong names, switching players up, calling the outcome of battles incorrectly. I'm just as annoyed by this category of mistakes as anyone else, but a lot of these are also the least-important kinds of mistakes. Calling a unit by a different name won't impact your understanding of what's happening in a game. These are things that not only do Artosis and Tasteless also get wrong on a regular basis, but will also improve with time. I didn't see any particular transgressions that were incredibly offensive.
She also has things to work on when it comes to commentating style. Her tendency to imitate units from a first-person perspective (see: I'm a baneling / marine / hellion) isn't endearing, and takes up valuable commentating time. She tends to speak for extended periods of time about general topics (matchups, typical builds on this map, etc), which is an issue since there is plenty to be analyzing and talking about what is going on in the game. These topics should definitely be covered, but Kelly tends to speak at length about them, and it'll take her a little time to figure out exactly what the right amount is.
Some people believe that her accent is unbearably thick and cannot possibly be comprehended; I'm of the opinion that this is hyperbole and, while for some people it may take a little effort to understand her, this is an issue that is neither permanent (you will grow accustomed to this accent over time, trust me) nor truly significant (the great thing about language is that it is very much contextual, so that even if you lose one or two words in a sentence you can typically piece it together rather quickly).
But there's room for optimism, all the same! Despite the mistakes that she made during tonight's cast, I don't see any reason to believe that she's not capable of becoming a good caster on the level of Tasteless and Artosis. It's all too easy to look at Tastetosis now and imagine that their casting was always at this level; go back and watch some GSL season 1 VODs, and you'll be surprised at how rudimentary the commentary was back then, relative to where we are now. Kelly is just getting into a field where Tasteless and Artosis have been working for quite some time now almost non-stop; holding her to lower standards is not only appropriate, but necessary for an objective look at her ability to commentate. Her flaws, though to some glaring and many, are all quite easily remedied with time and experience.
To everyone who is calling for her immediate and unconditional resignation: you're entitled to your opinion and all, but this is someone who is clearly quite excited to contribute to professional e-sports, and has sacrificed a lot already by traveling to Korea. Give her a shot.
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On February 21 2011 19:34 Cel.erity wrote:You have successfully infiltrated my fantasies. Who are you?
Uhh...I'm human? what exactly is that supposed to mean?
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Not impressed at all by the new caster.
Was listening to the games, I could understand what she was saying (living in singapore for 9 years really helped) but my GF past by so I asked her if she could understand her english and she replied : "is that even english?"
I think that pretty much says it all, and I'm not even starting with the wrong comments, the "lets call them go karts instead of hellions, and lets say its a street not a map ..."
Im actually pretty glad I didn't subscribed this month.
PS: I think it's pretty bad for all the SC girls out there, so many could do a much better job then that one.
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On February 21 2011 21:36 shaldengeki wrote:
Some people believe that her accent is unbearably thick and cannot possibly be comprehended; I'm of the opinion that this is hyperbole and, while for some people it may take a little effort to understand her, this is an issue that is neither permanent (you will grow accustomed to this accent over time, trust me) nor truly significant (the great thing about language is that it is very much contextual, so that even if you lose one or two words in a sentence you can typically piece it together rather quickly).
You should also mention that she is doing basic grammatical mistakes, and considering english is an official language in Singapore, SHAME ON HER.
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On February 21 2011 21:49 kudjuk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 21:36 shaldengeki wrote:
Some people believe that her accent is unbearably thick and cannot possibly be comprehended; I'm of the opinion that this is hyperbole and, while for some people it may take a little effort to understand her, this is an issue that is neither permanent (you will grow accustomed to this accent over time, trust me) nor truly significant (the great thing about language is that it is very much contextual, so that even if you lose one or two words in a sentence you can typically piece it together rather quickly). You should also mention that she is doing basic grammatical mistakes, and considering english is an official language in Singapore, SHAME ON HER.
I guess I've grown accustomed to people expressing themselves in different ways. Language is fluid; English expressions vary pretty widely even in the US, and to hold any single standard sacrosanct and declare every other invalid is pretty silly. The end goal is communication, after all, and I didn't hear any grammatical errors that left me unable to comprehend what she was trying to say. That's why I'm not really all that picky about grammatical mistakes, and given the current state of communication over the internet, perhaps you should consider adopting a similar outlook.
(By the way, it's "committing" or "making" basic grammatical mistakes, if you want to be pedantic about grammar.)
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I don't understand why people are referring to season 1.
At season 1 the game was new, now it's been out for soon a year. Tasteless and artosis were still caught up in SC:BW during the beta, and the game was still quite new for them, as for the audience.
This is not a vaild comparision.
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Nice girl, but she is terrible at casting and i am not going to watch any games with her in them... totally ruins the experiance.
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On February 21 2011 21:55 Euronyme wrote:
I don't understand why people are reffering to season 1.
At season 1 the game was new, now it's been out for soon a year. Tasteless and artosis were still caught up in SC:BW during the beta, and the game was still quite new for them, as for the audience.
This is not a vaild comparision.
I think the issue is really that Tasteless and Artosis have had basically non-stop exposure to commentating Starcraft 2 for almost a year now in a very closed environment; they've both gotten used to commentating in a specific way and have adopted their particular roles and niches. Out of everyone in the Starcraft 2 commentating community, you could say that these two have had by far the most experience commentating such high levels of play.
As a result, it is unfair to hold Kelly to the same standard that Tasteless and Artosis have set for us. She hasn't had experience commentating SC2 for nearly as many games as Tasteosis have; she hasn't had experience commentating with either of them, either, so some awkwardness is virtually guaranteed the first couple of times around.
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On February 21 2011 21:53 shaldengeki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 21:49 kudjuk wrote:On February 21 2011 21:36 shaldengeki wrote:
Some people believe that her accent is unbearably thick and cannot possibly be comprehended; I'm of the opinion that this is hyperbole and, while for some people it may take a little effort to understand her, this is an issue that is neither permanent (you will grow accustomed to this accent over time, trust me) nor truly significant (the great thing about language is that it is very much contextual, so that even if you lose one or two words in a sentence you can typically piece it together rather quickly). You should also mention that she is doing basic grammatical mistakes, and considering english is an official language in Singapore, SHAME ON HER. I guess I've grown accustomed to people expressing themselves in different ways. Language is fluid; English expressions vary pretty widely even in the US, and to hold any single standard sacrosanct and declare every other invalid is pretty silly. The end goal is communication, after all, and I didn't hear any grammatical errors that left me unable to comprehend what she was trying to say. That's why I'm not really all that picky about grammatical mistakes, and given the current state of communication over the internet, perhaps you should consider adopting a similar outlook. (By the way, it's "committing" or "making" basic grammatical mistakes, if you want to be pedantic about grammar.)
Maybe casters should really try not to talk like in the movie Precious.
If english was my native language, I would feel very offended someone is torturing it like this. "if I WAS a zergling" seriously? My english is nowhere near perfect but this is a killer even for a 8 year old.
Now thats my opinion, and I really think they should have someone speaking and articulating a nice english, to make GSL watchable for more then just people fluent in english.
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On February 21 2011 21:59 shaldengeki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 21:55 Euronyme wrote:
I don't understand why people are reffering to season 1.
At season 1 the game was new, now it's been out for soon a year. Tasteless and artosis were still caught up in SC:BW during the beta, and the game was still quite new for them, as for the audience.
This is not a vaild comparision. I think the issue is really that Tasteless and Artosis have had basically non-stop exposure to commentating Starcraft 2 for almost a year now in a very closed environment; they've both gotten used to commentating in a specific way and have adopted their particular roles and niches. Out of everyone in the Starcraft 2 commentating community, you could say that these two have had by far the most experience commentating such high levels of play. As a result, it is unfair to hold Kelly to the same standard that Tasteless and Artosis have set for us. She hasn't had experience commentating SC2 for nearly as many games as Tasteosis have; she hasn't had experience commentating with either of them, either, so some awkwardness is virtually guaranteed the first couple of times around.
So many great casters out there are not getting paid and would go to Korea without thinking twice. So why would GomTV pick a new caster to train her on the stage, when there are many who would require little to no training?
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 21 2011 21:36 shaldengeki wrote:
I went into tonight's sets pretty confident in the belief that the fears about her ability to commentate effectively were overblown. And coming out, I'm still pretty optimistic about Kelly's ability to become a functional, contributing commentator.
First, let's get the ugly things out of the way.
She had plenty of instances in which she got things wrong. Calling units by the wrong names, switching players up, calling the outcome of battles incorrectly. I'm just as annoyed by this category of mistakes as anyone else, but a lot of these are also the least-important kinds of mistakes. Calling a unit by a different name won't impact your understanding of what's happening in a game. These are things that not only do Artosis and Tasteless also get wrong on a regular basis, but will also improve with time. I didn't see any particular transgressions that were incredibly offensive.
She also has things to work on when it comes to commentating style. Her tendency to imitate units from a first-person perspective (see: I'm a baneling / marine / hellion) isn't endearing, and takes up valuable commentating time. She tends to speak for extended periods of time about general topics (matchups, typical builds on this map, etc), which is an issue since there is plenty to be analyzing and talking about what is going on in the game. These topics should definitely be covered, but Kelly tends to speak at length about them, and it'll take her a little time to figure out exactly what the right amount is.
Some people believe that her accent is unbearably thick and cannot possibly be comprehended; I'm of the opinion that this is hyperbole and, while for some people it may take a little effort to understand her, this is an issue that is neither permanent (you will grow accustomed to this accent over time, trust me) nor truly significant (the great thing about language is that it is very much contextual, so that even if you lose one or two words in a sentence you can typically piece it together rather quickly).
But there's room for optimism, all the same! Despite the mistakes that she made during tonight's cast, I don't see any reason to believe that she's not capable of becoming a good caster on the level of Tasteless and Artosis. It's all too easy to look at Tastetosis now and imagine that their casting was always at this level; go back and watch some GSL season 1 VODs, and you'll be surprised at how rudimentary the commentary was back then, relative to where we are now. Kelly is just getting into a field where Tasteless and Artosis have been working for quite some time now almost non-stop; holding her to lower standards is not only appropriate, but necessary for an objective look at her ability to commentate. Her flaws, though to some glaring and many, are all quite easily remedied with time and experience.
To everyone who is calling for her immediate and unconditional resignation: you're entitled to your opinion and all, but this is someone who is clearly quite excited to contribute to professional e-sports, and has sacrificed a lot already by traveling to Korea. Give her a shot.
so you think its fair for GOM to charge when their content is not up to par? especially when they are the only ones charging to watch sc2? also back in GSL1 guess what? the game basically just came out so of course commentary was simple back then but also back then we hadnt seen things like 2rax/scv allin and colossi/vr deathball (imba lol jk), I think you need to realize why people pay for services provided by GOM and why people are angry that she is casting....basically im saying if gsl content was completely free I would be totally alright with anyone casting but thats not the case here lol basically if ur gonna charge a premium, make sure you have premium content please.
Anyway code A tonight was great (for me) to watch (TL fighting!) and only because of incontrol (and im sure over 3k+ viewers agree), thanks so much for the random streaming funnyfunny stuff=D
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On February 21 2011 22:08 kudjuk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 21:53 shaldengeki wrote:On February 21 2011 21:49 kudjuk wrote:On February 21 2011 21:36 shaldengeki wrote:
Some people believe that her accent is unbearably thick and cannot possibly be comprehended; I'm of the opinion that this is hyperbole and, while for some people it may take a little effort to understand her, this is an issue that is neither permanent (you will grow accustomed to this accent over time, trust me) nor truly significant (the great thing about language is that it is very much contextual, so that even if you lose one or two words in a sentence you can typically piece it together rather quickly). You should also mention that she is doing basic grammatical mistakes, and considering english is an official language in Singapore, SHAME ON HER. I guess I've grown accustomed to people expressing themselves in different ways. Language is fluid; English expressions vary pretty widely even in the US, and to hold any single standard sacrosanct and declare every other invalid is pretty silly. The end goal is communication, after all, and I didn't hear any grammatical errors that left me unable to comprehend what she was trying to say. That's why I'm not really all that picky about grammatical mistakes, and given the current state of communication over the internet, perhaps you should consider adopting a similar outlook. (By the way, it's "committing" or "making" basic grammatical mistakes, if you want to be pedantic about grammar.) Maybe casters should really try not to talk like in the movie Precious. If english was my native language, I would feel very offended someone is torturing it like this. "if I WAS a zergling" seriously? My english is nowhere near perfect but this is a killer even for a 8 year old. Now thats my opinion, and I really think they should have someone speaking and articulating a nice english, to make GSL watchable for more then just people fluent in english.
I think this is one of the best examples of hyperbole I could have asked for. And mistaken hyperbole, as well! The "If I was" construction is perfectly acceptable (see citation), given you're not in a formal setting. I'm pretty sure that, given the animal jokes that Artosis has cracked from time to time, GSL commentating is not a formal setting.
I have to ask - if this is what really irked you about her performance tonight, you must frequently find yourself enraged by informal use of English, eh? Especially since you're saying things like " I would feel very offended someone is torturing it like this" or articulating a nice english". Just listening to yourself speak must be aural torture.
Back on topic, I really think that these concerns over her grammar are overblown, since we all were clearly able to understand what she was attempting to communicate at all times.
Citation:
http://www.englishclub.com/grammar/verbs-subjunctive.htm
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Years from now people will attribute Kelly milkies to the death of sc2 esports
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On February 21 2011 21:59 shaldengeki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 21:55 Euronyme wrote:
I don't understand why people are reffering to season 1.
At season 1 the game was new, now it's been out for soon a year. Tasteless and artosis were still caught up in SC:BW during the beta, and the game was still quite new for them, as for the audience.
This is not a vaild comparision. I think the issue is really that Tasteless and Artosis have had basically non-stop exposure to commentating Starcraft 2 for almost a year now in a very closed environment; they've both gotten used to commentating in a specific way and have adopted their particular roles and niches. Out of everyone in the Starcraft 2 commentating community, you could say that these two have had by far the most experience commentating such high levels of play. As a result, it is unfair to hold Kelly to the same standard that Tasteless and Artosis have set for us. She hasn't had experience commentating SC2 for nearly as many games as Tasteosis have; she hasn't had experience commentating with either of them, either, so some awkwardness is virtually guaranteed the first couple of times around.
it wasn't that awkward at all. she seemed to be quite comfortable and happy. it was her lack of knowledge, insight, and her incessant insistance to just ramble that made it hard to listen to.
thank god tasteless is experienced with supporting a far inferior caster, he did very well to hold the whole thing together.
honestly, just having someone who was a complete and utter noob, but had some personality and a decent connection with tasteless/sense of humour, would have done better. I would much prefer having someone sitting there asking questions and talking about aspects of the game they are enjoying (which takes no detailed game knowledge what so ever) than this gun ho, continuous vocalization of everything that can be plainly seen by the viewer already.
i think voice and personality should be the number 1 priority for any caster, as it is for any other form of presentative entertainment ie tv, radio, sports commentary. you would never hire someone who cant articulate clearly and think on their feet in a witty manner to present a tv show or sporting match.
the only reason i can see this important attribute being wavered is if the person has a ridiculously good knowledge of the game such as idra's commentary which is deadpan and non comedic, but very interesting due to his amazing knowledge and insight into sc2, which kelly clearly lacks.
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