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On February 21 2011 22:18 shaldengeki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 22:08 kudjuk wrote:On February 21 2011 21:53 shaldengeki wrote:On February 21 2011 21:49 kudjuk wrote:On February 21 2011 21:36 shaldengeki wrote:
Some people believe that her accent is unbearably thick and cannot possibly be comprehended; I'm of the opinion that this is hyperbole and, while for some people it may take a little effort to understand her, this is an issue that is neither permanent (you will grow accustomed to this accent over time, trust me) nor truly significant (the great thing about language is that it is very much contextual, so that even if you lose one or two words in a sentence you can typically piece it together rather quickly). You should also mention that she is doing basic grammatical mistakes, and considering english is an official language in Singapore, SHAME ON HER. I guess I've grown accustomed to people expressing themselves in different ways. Language is fluid; English expressions vary pretty widely even in the US, and to hold any single standard sacrosanct and declare every other invalid is pretty silly. The end goal is communication, after all, and I didn't hear any grammatical errors that left me unable to comprehend what she was trying to say. That's why I'm not really all that picky about grammatical mistakes, and given the current state of communication over the internet, perhaps you should consider adopting a similar outlook. (By the way, it's "committing" or "making" basic grammatical mistakes, if you want to be pedantic about grammar.) Maybe casters should really try not to talk like in the movie Precious. If english was my native language, I would feel very offended someone is torturing it like this. "if I WAS a zergling" seriously? My english is nowhere near perfect but this is a killer even for a 8 year old. Now thats my opinion, and I really think they should have someone speaking and articulating a nice english, to make GSL watchable for more then just people fluent in english. I think this is one of the best examples of hyperbole I could have asked for. And mistaken hyperbole, as well! The "If I was" construction is perfectly acceptable (see citation), given you're not in a formal setting. I'm pretty sure that, given the animal jokes that Artosis has cracked from time to time, GSL commentating is not a formal setting. I have to ask - if this is what really irked you about her performance tonight, you must frequently find yourself enraged by informal use of English, eh? Especially since you're saying things like " I would feel very offended someone is torturing it like this" or articulating a nice english". Just listening to yourself speak must be aural torture. Back on topic, I really think that these concerns over her grammar are overblown, since we all were clearly able to understand what she was attempting to communicate at all times. Citation: http://www.englishclub.com/grammar/verbs-subjunctive.htm
Yea must be a torture to listen to me, but guess what, I'm not shoutcasting GSL.
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On February 21 2011 22:22 Jayzo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 21:59 shaldengeki wrote:On February 21 2011 21:55 Euronyme wrote:
I don't understand why people are reffering to season 1.
At season 1 the game was new, now it's been out for soon a year. Tasteless and artosis were still caught up in SC:BW during the beta, and the game was still quite new for them, as for the audience.
This is not a vaild comparision. I think the issue is really that Tasteless and Artosis have had basically non-stop exposure to commentating Starcraft 2 for almost a year now in a very closed environment; they've both gotten used to commentating in a specific way and have adopted their particular roles and niches. Out of everyone in the Starcraft 2 commentating community, you could say that these two have had by far the most experience commentating such high levels of play. As a result, it is unfair to hold Kelly to the same standard that Tasteless and Artosis have set for us. She hasn't had experience commentating SC2 for nearly as many games as Tasteosis have; she hasn't had experience commentating with either of them, either, so some awkwardness is virtually guaranteed the first couple of times around. it wasn't that awkward at all. she seemed to be quite comfortable and happy. it was her lack of knowledge, insight, and her incessant insistance to just ramble that made it hard to listen to. thank god tasteless is experienced with supporting a far inferior caster, he did very well to hold the whole thing together. honestly, just having someone who was a complete and utter noob, but had some personality and a decent connection with tasteless/sense of humour, would have done better. I would much prefer having someone sitting there asking questions and talking about aspects of the game they are enjoying (which takes no detailed game knowledge what so ever) than this gun ho, continuous vocalization of everything that can be plainly seen by the viewer already. i think voice and personality should be the number 1 priority for any caster, as it is for any other form of presentative entertainment ie tv, radio, sports commentary. you would never hire someone who cant articulate clearly and think on their feet in a witty manner to present a tv show or sporting match. the only reason i can see this important attribute being wavered is if the person has a ridiculously good knowledge of the game such as idra's commentary which is deadpan and non comedic, but very interesting due to his amazing knowledge and insight into sc2, which kelly clearly lacks.
So basically you are saying to rehire Jason Lee right? 
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Was fine tbh, massive over-reaction from some people and I have no qualms with renewing my subscription.
Sometimes a bit lacking in game knowledge but that'll improve quickly (and it's not like tasteles and artosis are perfect in that regard), and you could definately tell she was nervous =)
I think she was told to not get too over-excited which makes a big difference from listening to her previous casts.
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On February 21 2011 22:13 paksam wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 21 2011 21:36 shaldengeki wrote:
I went into tonight's sets pretty confident in the belief that the fears about her ability to commentate effectively were overblown. And coming out, I'm still pretty optimistic about Kelly's ability to become a functional, contributing commentator.
First, let's get the ugly things out of the way.
She had plenty of instances in which she got things wrong. Calling units by the wrong names, switching players up, calling the outcome of battles incorrectly. I'm just as annoyed by this category of mistakes as anyone else, but a lot of these are also the least-important kinds of mistakes. Calling a unit by a different name won't impact your understanding of what's happening in a game. These are things that not only do Artosis and Tasteless also get wrong on a regular basis, but will also improve with time. I didn't see any particular transgressions that were incredibly offensive.
She also has things to work on when it comes to commentating style. Her tendency to imitate units from a first-person perspective (see: I'm a baneling / marine / hellion) isn't endearing, and takes up valuable commentating time. She tends to speak for extended periods of time about general topics (matchups, typical builds on this map, etc), which is an issue since there is plenty to be analyzing and talking about what is going on in the game. These topics should definitely be covered, but Kelly tends to speak at length about them, and it'll take her a little time to figure out exactly what the right amount is.
Some people believe that her accent is unbearably thick and cannot possibly be comprehended; I'm of the opinion that this is hyperbole and, while for some people it may take a little effort to understand her, this is an issue that is neither permanent (you will grow accustomed to this accent over time, trust me) nor truly significant (the great thing about language is that it is very much contextual, so that even if you lose one or two words in a sentence you can typically piece it together rather quickly).
But there's room for optimism, all the same! Despite the mistakes that she made during tonight's cast, I don't see any reason to believe that she's not capable of becoming a good caster on the level of Tasteless and Artosis. It's all too easy to look at Tastetosis now and imagine that their casting was always at this level; go back and watch some GSL season 1 VODs, and you'll be surprised at how rudimentary the commentary was back then, relative to where we are now. Kelly is just getting into a field where Tasteless and Artosis have been working for quite some time now almost non-stop; holding her to lower standards is not only appropriate, but necessary for an objective look at her ability to commentate. Her flaws, though to some glaring and many, are all quite easily remedied with time and experience.
To everyone who is calling for her immediate and unconditional resignation: you're entitled to your opinion and all, but this is someone who is clearly quite excited to contribute to professional e-sports, and has sacrificed a lot already by traveling to Korea. Give her a shot. so you think its fair for GOM to charge when their content is not up to par? especially when they are the only ones charging to watch sc2? also back in GSL1 guess what? the game basically just came out so of course commentary was simple back then but also back then we hadnt seen things like 2rax/scv allin and colossi/vr deathball (imba lol jk), I think you need to realize why people pay for services provided by GOM and why people are angry that she is casting....basically im saying if gsl content was completely free I would be totally alright with anyone casting but thats not the case here lol basically if ur gonna charge a premium, make sure you have premium content please. Anyway code A tonight was great (for me) to watch (TL fighting!) and only because of incontrol (and im sure over 3k+ viewers agree), thanks so much for the random streaming funnyfunny stuff=D
I believe I talked about why the GSL1 comparison was valid earlier; I'm not talking about the game, I'm talking about the fact that Tasteosis have had basically exclusive access to top-tier games to commentate as a job for a solid year now. Nobody else can claim that, and as such nobody else can possibly hope to match them (or join them and not suffer a bit of awkwardness).
I agree that GomTV has a responsibility to its customers to ensure that they receive high-quality productions; I do not, however, agree with the assumption that there was someone willing to go who could have seamlessly integrated into the commentary. Nor do I agree with the claim that her commentary was that bad, once you set your judging standards to appropriate levels.
I really enjoyed Code A as well tonight. Great to see HuK succeed, and I'm really looking forward to the rest of this season.
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Every day i come home from work i am so exited to see the latest GSL Games, but not today.
I have seen one of the games from today.
Kellymilkies the casting bug!
Can we do anything against her except of not buying the GSL premium Ticket?
Im sorry to be that rude but that Girl will distroy the Code A games for me.
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It actually is not that bad, but you get much much better free casters, so it doesnt make you want to pay to see GSL.
I believe that when you are watching some of the very best players, you shouldn't have to listen to a medium shoutcaster. Its like being in bed with a goddess and putting the Benny Hill theme song.
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On February 21 2011 22:37 kudjuk wrote:
It actually is not that bad, but you get much much better free casters, so it doesnt make you want to pay to see GSL.
I believe that when you are watching some of the very best players, you shouldn't have to listen to a medium shoutcaster. Its like being in bed with a goddess and putting the Benny Hill theme song.
You mean I'm the only one who does that?
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On February 21 2011 22:22 Jayzo wrote:
i think voice and personality should be the number 1 priority for any caster, as it is for any other form of presentative entertainment ie tv, radio, sports commentary. you would never hire someone who cant articulate clearly and think on their feet in a witty manner to present a tv show or sporting match.
I think Tesla would probably be alright if those are the community requirements, and she's female too. Was chatting to her the other day and I found her voice to be very much internationally viable. And by that I mean, lacking any real accent that would detract from anyone understanding her.
I'm not too sure about her casting and/or insight although I get the feeling she's smart enough to recognise when her co-caster is more knowledgable, and leverage their knowledge rather than going out on a limb (and consequently saying silly things).
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During game 2:
Tasteless: Artosis would always say if you get ahead, get more ahead!
...moments later
Tasteless: If you get ahead...
Kelly: you get more head! (thats how i heard it anyway)
Sigh.
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On February 21 2011 22:24 Svetz wrote:
Was fine tbh, massive over-reaction from some people and I have no qualms with renewing my subscription.
Sometimes a bit lacking in game knowledge but that'll improve quickly (and it's not like tasteles and artosis are perfect in that regard), and you could definately tell she was nervous =)
I think she was told to not get too over-excited which makes a big difference from listening to her previous casts.
Artosis is probably the one man who knows the most of this game.
I think Kelly would be better off keeping a low profile during the casts.
Better remain silent and be thought of stupid, than to speak out and remove all doubt - Abraham Lincoln.
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On February 21 2011 23:20 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 22:24 Svetz wrote:
Was fine tbh, massive over-reaction from some people and I have no qualms with renewing my subscription.
Sometimes a bit lacking in game knowledge but that'll improve quickly (and it's not like tasteles and artosis are perfect in that regard), and you could definately tell she was nervous =)
I think she was told to not get too over-excited which makes a big difference from listening to her previous casts. Artosis is probably the one man who knows the most of this game. I think Kelly would be better off keeping a low profile during the casts. Better remain silent and be thought of stupid, than to speak out and remove all doubt - Abraham Lincoln.
Wouldn't that defeat the whole point of hiring another caster if she's to remain silent?
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I did not like her casting, Lack of ingame knowledge, talks too much. She should keep a low profile and let Tasteless do the job and then slowly take more and more space.
She also says: eh between a lot of sentences and words it becomes annoying after a while..
She is not experienced enough to cast the top tier Starcraft 2 league,
I want top tier casting when I watch top tier Sc2.
+ Her accent buggs me... When it gets hectic I have to focus to understand what's going on...
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I have watched her stream couple of times, I told her about the 'zealot' problem before but I recall she said exactly she can pronounce it however way she liked and to live with it. Seriously, she's definitely no way near decent - how can you NOT even remember the unit's name?! Fortunately for me, I didn't tune in to watch her today.
And for Christ's sake, you folks don't get the wrong idea Singaporeans speak like her. I was secretly hoping she'll redeem herself from where I last heard her but it doesn't look like anytime soon. Hang in there.
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QFT. My goodness this is a nightmare move(blunder) for Gomtv...
It really hurts me that I've paid for every season of GSL and so far the decision making from GOMtv is completely terrible when it comes to recruiting talent for Engrish GSL.
They are trolling foreigners with people like Jason Lee and kellyMILKIES.
I really hope that kelly doesn't continue to put GSL and its fans in an awkward position and will resign. kellyBOOBIESmilkies, please resign.
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I can't believe they decided to go with such an awful caster for the Code A. Who the heck actually thought this was a good decision? I mean isn't GOM supposed to be the best when it comes to SC2 tournaments if so then you can't pick such a horrible caster that ruins the whole experience, you can pretty much pick a caster at random and still do better then this.
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I wish GOMTV offered vods that just followed the Korean commentator's camera but only had game sounds (no commentators). Not listening to any commentator is better than listening to Kelly.
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On February 21 2011 23:57 Sreypech wrote:
I wish GOMTV offered vods that just followed the Korean commentator's camera but only had game sounds (no commentators). Not listening to any commentator is better than listening to Kelly.
You can usually find a link to the korean stream if you ask around a bit. It's actually quite good :D
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On February 22 2011 00:17 Lann555 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 23:57 Sreypech wrote:
I wish GOMTV offered vods that just followed the Korean commentator's camera but only had game sounds (no commentators). Not listening to any commentator is better than listening to Kelly. You can usually find a link to the korean stream if you ask around a bit. It's actually quite good :D
Would be awesome if it was posted in the OP considering what this thread is about.
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Come on it was not that bad and no i don't think she is hot.
I just think the games were good and the casting was ok.. i mean if you take out artosis from tastosis it will always feel strange, even if you had put another guy like torch or assem or husky ,whatever.. (assuming they would want the job)
Kellymilkies does a decent job and will improve with time.. this was her first day she will get better!
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