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On February 21 2011 11:28 Ressant wrote:
Maybe GomTV will provide a discount for people who only want to view code S matches, as in just purchasing code S games, so the viewers can show their support to the casters they favor.
Their policy states you are only paying for HQ VODs. The live stream comes free with the subscription.
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On February 21 2011 11:47 SilverLeagueElite wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 11:28 Ressant wrote:
Maybe GomTV will provide a discount for people who only want to view code S matches, as in just purchasing code S games, so the viewers can show their support to the casters they favor. Their policy states you are only paying for HQ VODs. The live stream comes free with the subscription.
I only want to pay for Code S vods was what I was saying. I thought I was clear.
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On February 21 2011 11:45 yakitate304 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 14:08 kaisuki wrote:
This just might work out, as they pair her with some very experienced and liked GSL casters. Maybe this will let her gain some experience both casting and speaking ability. New people aren't immediately liked, but if they have a strong anchor like Artosis or Tasteless, they have boundless opportunities to improve. Very true. In the National Hockey League, the Devils' broadcast team is typically Mike "Doc" Emrick and Glenn "Chico" Resch. Doc is one of the best play-by-play guys in the league and as such, frequently calls games on NBC or Versus in addition to the Devils games. When he is with NBC/Versus, he is replaced by Steve Cangialosi. The first year or two, most fans disliked him and his calls were iffy at best... Given time, however, he has really grown into his role and become a solid broadcaster. I've never heard any of this woman's casts but hopefully things will work out. SC2 could certainly use a feminine touch.
I think the issue isn't game knowledge or even voice. I think it's the "comprehension" part of it. Most people wouldn't understand Singlish on first listen. Also newscasters tend to take forever to train - especially before they take on an "anchor" role. Internet casters just tend to get a lot of practice speaking, and if they aren't liked, they just disappear (all comes down to the bottom line). What the majority of GOM fans want is an already "finished" caster - like diggity or husky - since they are, in essence, paying for a service.
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Wow... I just watched a couple of her casting videos. It's unbearable and unwatchable. If the casting is anything like what is up on youtube I will be watching the Korean stream of Code A and possibly not purchasing a seasons ticket for future GSLs until they fix the issue. It is absurd they would take someone who is this horrible, they must have had other options.
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You guys ready for some code A material? :D
today we shall see if she performs well!
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I am really disappointed with this decision from GOM. I know they aren't going to go back on this decision now that it is announced, but I can't help but feel this is going to far more damage the Starcraft 2 scene than help it. I have been able to get many of my friends who do not know anything about Starcraft to watch the GSL due to its excellent casting and entertainment value. If even I cannot stand watching Kelly Milkies cast, I know that all of my friends who are even remotely interested will not watch this. Unless she seriously works on her accent and game knowledge, I will be sticking with watching the code S matches only.
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On February 21 2011 11:45 yakitate304 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2011 14:08 kaisuki wrote:
This just might work out, as they pair her with some very experienced and liked GSL casters. Maybe this will let her gain some experience both casting and speaking ability. New people aren't immediately liked, but if they have a strong anchor like Artosis or Tasteless, they have boundless opportunities to improve. Very true. In the National Hockey League, the Devils' broadcast team is typically Mike "Doc" Emrick and Glenn "Chico" Resch. Doc is one of the best play-by-play guys in the league and as such, frequently calls games on NBC or Versus in addition to the Devils games. When he is with NBC/Versus, he is replaced by Steve Cangialosi. The first year or two, most fans disliked him and his calls were iffy at best... Given time, however, he has really grown into his role and become a solid broadcaster. I've never heard any of this woman's casts but hopefully things will work out. SC2 could certainly use a feminine touch.
"I did not even listen to any of her casts, but i would like to share a story with you ... blaaaa"
What the hell is wrong with you? Did you read the complaints ppl had? Its the voice and the
comprehansion. What the hell does your story has to do with that? Nothing ...
I could just smack my head against the wall when there is a discussion and someone like that
appears. I have nothing to say, but i`ll tell you a story child .... *cough cough grandpa cough*
Listen to the cast and than come back.
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On February 21 2011 12:37 BlueFlames wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 11:45 yakitate304 wrote:On February 18 2011 14:08 kaisuki wrote:
This just might work out, as they pair her with some very experienced and liked GSL casters. Maybe this will let her gain some experience both casting and speaking ability. New people aren't immediately liked, but if they have a strong anchor like Artosis or Tasteless, they have boundless opportunities to improve. Very true. In the National Hockey League, the Devils' broadcast team is typically Mike "Doc" Emrick and Glenn "Chico" Resch. Doc is one of the best play-by-play guys in the league and as such, frequently calls games on NBC or Versus in addition to the Devils games. When he is with NBC/Versus, he is replaced by Steve Cangialosi. The first year or two, most fans disliked him and his calls were iffy at best... Given time, however, he has really grown into his role and become a solid broadcaster. I've never heard any of this woman's casts but hopefully things will work out. SC2 could certainly use a feminine touch. "I did not even listen to any of her casts, but i would like to share a story with you ... blaaaa" What the hell is wrong with you? Did you read the complaints ppl had? Its the voice and the comprehansion. What the hell does your story has to do with that? Nothing ... I could just smack my head against the wall when there is a discussion and someone like that appears. I have nothing to say, but i`ll tell you a story child .... *cough cough grandpa cough* Listen to the cast and than come back.
He was making the point that even in "real" sports, announcers / casters that aren't liked immediately can grow into the role. If your whole issue is that you don't like Kelly's voice, well, that's taste - if it's that you can't understand her well, that's a reasonable complaint, but that's also something that people can actually improve by slowing down and enunciating. Even if she does that, yes, she'll still have an accent of course, but she could actually make herself more easily understood if she works at it. So I think his story actually does have a point..
GSL starts tonight, so we'll get to see how she does. I'm guessing she'll be nervous and excited, so I'm not expecting her to do particularly great today, but we'll see. As the tournament goes on, though, I would expect her to control the "stim voice" more. I can usually understand her SC2 casts, though, so I'm more curious about how she'll interact with Artosis and Tasteless.
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On February 21 2011 13:14 dormer wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 12:37 BlueFlames wrote:On February 21 2011 11:45 yakitate304 wrote:On February 18 2011 14:08 kaisuki wrote:
This just might work out, as they pair her with some very experienced and liked GSL casters. Maybe this will let her gain some experience both casting and speaking ability. New people aren't immediately liked, but if they have a strong anchor like Artosis or Tasteless, they have boundless opportunities to improve. Very true. In the National Hockey League, the Devils' broadcast team is typically Mike "Doc" Emrick and Glenn "Chico" Resch. Doc is one of the best play-by-play guys in the league and as such, frequently calls games on NBC or Versus in addition to the Devils games. When he is with NBC/Versus, he is replaced by Steve Cangialosi. The first year or two, most fans disliked him and his calls were iffy at best... Given time, however, he has really grown into his role and become a solid broadcaster. I've never heard any of this woman's casts but hopefully things will work out. SC2 could certainly use a feminine touch. "I did not even listen to any of her casts, but i would like to share a story with you ... blaaaa" What the hell is wrong with you? Did you read the complaints ppl had? Its the voice and the comprehansion. What the hell does your story has to do with that? Nothing ... I could just smack my head against the wall when there is a discussion and someone like that appears. I have nothing to say, but i`ll tell you a story child .... *cough cough grandpa cough* Listen to the cast and than come back. He was making the point that even in "real" sports, announcers / casters that aren't liked immediately can grow into the role. If your whole issue is that you don't like Kelly's voice, well, that's taste - if it's that you can't understand her well, that's a reasonable complaint, but that's also something that people can actually improve by slowing down and enunciating. Even if she does that, yes, she'll still have an accent of course, but she could actually make herself more easily understood if she works at it. So I think his story actually does have a point.. GSL starts tonight, so we'll get to see how she does. I'm guessing she'll be nervous and excited, so I'm not expecting her to do particularly great today, but we'll see. As the tournament goes on, though, I would expect her to control the "stim voice" more. I can usually understand her SC2 casts, though, so I'm more curious about how she'll interact with Artosis and Tasteless.
I totaly agree with you. I said it before. If she can bring a solid performance and i can understand her,
than my concerns will be forgotten and i will feel like an ass for doubting her. She doesnt even have
to be good on her first day. As long as i can understand her and as long as i can watch gsl code a
without beeing annoyed everything is fine. Still the concerns are there and they are not without a
foundation. Many ppl watched her vods and started complaining. So i dont need a story about
real casters that does not relate to this actual topic. Sure there are casters i did not like when they
began casting. BUT there is none that i started to like after a year of not understanding them.
If the person i quouted had actually listened to her casts and than said "its not that bad
i could get used to that", than it would be his opinion and i could never disagree with him, but
he did not even listen to her and he did not read the actual complaints about her. So his story
is pointless. His story does not relate to this topic at all!
Dont understand this as something personal, but i am sick of people supporting or trashing a
commentator without even listening to them or reading the actual concerns other poeple have.
To put this whole thread together:
1. A lot of people have problems understanding her. (A topic not for debate ... i dont give a fuck if you do understand her, a lot of people dont.)
2. Some people dont like her voice (personal preference ... still could grow on you as a caster)
3. Lack of game knowledge (a flaw that can be fixed easily or masked easily by the directors of the cast)
4. People who dont like anything about her starting from point 1-3 adding hating her personality without knowing her. (You can call them the haters.)
5. People who will defend her with the most stupid arguments they can come up with. She is cute.
I can understand her, you cant .... you are stupid etc. (White Knights)
Comments in 1. are not for debate for the persons expressing them.
Comments in 2. are opinions. You will have to do a lot to change someones own opinion.
Comments in 3. You have to wait for the code A matches to know if it is something that will destroy
your watching experience.
Comments in 4. or 5. should be ignored at all times.
Now the post i quoted does not fit into anything i said, cause its from someone not informed
about the issue. There is a saying in german "wenn man keine ahnung hat, einfach mal die fresse halten". My english is too bad to translate that, maybe someone else could.
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Wtf you just posted the same off topic link twice on two pages? really?
Anyway on top, kinda looking forward to see how she pans out later although my gut feeling is it will be a nightmare, oh well lets hope for the best.
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As I read all this negativity here, KellyMilkies first day will be a success - cause it definitely can't be worse than most of the expectations itt.
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On February 21 2011 14:07 Spekulatius wrote:
As I read all this negativity here, KellyMilkies first day will be a success - cause it definitely can't be worse than most of expectations itt.
Not sucking quite as bad as the expectations won't be considered a success, especially by the people who already dislike her. It'll just be her doing terrible even if they thought it would be worse. For it to be considered a success she'll have to do well because even a mediocre cast will be seen as a failure to all the people who already dislike her.
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On February 21 2011 14:11 Cathasaigh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 14:07 Spekulatius wrote:
As I read all this negativity here, KellyMilkies first day will be a success - cause it definitely can't be worse than most of expectations itt. Not sucking quite as bad as the expectations won't be considered a success, especially by the people who already dislike her. It'll just be her doing terrible even if they thought it would be worse. For it to be considered a success she'll have to do well because even a mediocre cast will be seen as a failure to all the people who already dislike her.
Well, success and failure is always relative to the expectations. So if all say they don't understand a word and they actually will today/tomorrow, that's a success. And that's quite likely to happen imo.
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On February 21 2011 14:11 Cathasaigh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 14:07 Spekulatius wrote:
As I read all this negativity here, KellyMilkies first day will be a success - cause it definitely can't be worse than most of expectations itt. Not sucking quite as bad as the expectations won't be considered a success, especially by the people who already dislike her. It'll just be her doing terrible even if they thought it would be worse. For it to be considered a success she'll have to do well because even a mediocre cast will be seen as a failure to all the people who already dislike her.
but the most people dont dislike her. the haters are not majority of the posters.
if people can understand her well and she does a solid cast along the casters
people already love, it will be a success and the most people will shut up.
dont misjudge the whole thread because of a few ret***** fu***. :-)
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On February 21 2011 14:18 BlueFlames wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2011 14:11 Cathasaigh wrote:On February 21 2011 14:07 Spekulatius wrote:
As I read all this negativity here, KellyMilkies first day will be a success - cause it definitely can't be worse than most of expectations itt. Not sucking quite as bad as the expectations won't be considered a success, especially by the people who already dislike her. It'll just be her doing terrible even if they thought it would be worse. For it to be considered a success she'll have to do well because even a mediocre cast will be seen as a failure to all the people who already dislike her. but the most people dont dislike her. the haters are not majority of the posters. if people can understand her well and she does a solid cast along the casters people already love, it will be a success and the most people will shut up. dont misjudge the whole thread because of a few ret***** fu***. :-)
I'm not misjudging anything. I've read this whole thread and the previous 100 some page thread as well as some threads from other things she's casted that had tons of complaining. The fact of the matter is that the amount that she'll have to do for it to be considered a success to most people is far more than just not being "worse than most of the expectations itt"
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its gonna be annoying toggling the mute button on and off when her and tasteless/artosis are going back and forth.
and even though i have a hockey tournament starting tomorrow morning, i was considering staying up and watching Code A, until i remembered she was casting. i seriously hope GOMTV notices a sever drop in Code A viewers so that they get the message.
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5. People who will defend her with the most stupid arguments they can come up with. She is cute.
I can understand her, you cant .... you are stupid etc. (White Knights)
Decent summary, and there were a few of those inane 'she's cute' statements. However, can it be so hard to think people like myself, Teddyman, Dox and a few others aren't actually supporters, but are simply unwilling to bash her before she's had a chance to succeed or fail as a GSL commentator with Artosis and Tasteless?
I've never heard of her before and have no reason to be a supporter. I've listened to some of the videos- some are harder to understand than others. I also know TL has a tendency to blow up over things that turn out not to be so bad. It's not so much that we're fans- we just don't think pre-season is the time to throw the caster underneath the bus. Mid or Post-season would be that time- at least for me.
On a side note, understandability is a serious problem. A dislike for this voice or that voice is entirely subjective. TL likes to scrap over their favourite caster- Klazart's voice was annoying, Husky's voice is annoying. Heck, I've even heard people (fans of some other casters) say Day9's voice is annoying. That particular argument I don't weight very heavily- but heavy/ hard to understand accent I would.
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On February 21 2011 11:33 ke_ivan wrote:
I think the decision was made on short notice. I think the mentality is to have "someone" there rather than "no one" there. At the end of the day, I think they needed to give Tastosis more time to rest (final goal), so we're experiencing a whole bunch stop measures in the mean time. Torch is a pro-gamer and I think he wants to focus on practicing rather than watching/administration. Same with Tastosis. Like GOMTV said, she had the best resume, and if you're a korean recruiter/producer with only John to translate, chances are you're gonna pick the person with the best resume (at least where big tourneys are concerned). It's probably also cheaper to fly from Singapore than from anywhere else in the world.
I'm on the fence on this one. I support GOMTV and I'm sure Kelly's a nice person. As most Singaporeans in the SC2 community, I was kinda happy seeing that someone made an effort to cast to our local audience. But catapulting our flavour of english to the world on an international stage? I mean that's really about national pride isn't it? Like To-mah-to and To-mae-to. And I don't really want to get into that kinda thing. I am a proponent of preserving "Singlish" because it's part of our identity and culture, so it's kinda hypocritical of me if I were to knock it.
I totally understand the whole "unintelligible speech" though. If you can't understand it, its gonna be a problem. On the other hand, we are only paying like 10USD, which is close to nothing. And there's this whole "voice talent" thing and the "clear english" thing. Clearly, there are too many dimensions to this argument, so I'd rather give this a rest. Anyhow, like a whole bunch of other people have said, the choice has been made.
I for one regard Singlish with the zenith level of disgust. It's on the same level as making love to sheep on a national level and supporting sheep-love just because everyone in the country is doing the same thing.
As I've said earlier and I'll reiterate again, I've personally met Kelly at my former workplace, Colosseum that LAN center at Iluma and various other gaming events where Colosseum was the main supporting entity, and I cannot emphasize enough just how unqualified she is. The customers and gamers on venue couldn't help but to shake their heads and it was a constant cringefest. She may be a decent Dota and SC2 player but playing is much different from being capable of analyzing other players' playstyles, and her knowledge was something that was truly lacking. Also, much of the casts I've heard were constantly punctuated with "Er" and amateurish mistakes.
If I had to choose someone from Singapore who would disrupt their daily school life to cast such an event, it's Philibert "Deathadder" Santhanaraj from Gamestah. I cannot recommend him enough for his professionalism and the speed which he picks up concepts from games he's never played before. It's too bad that he's a Street Fighter 4 specialist though. 
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