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Sniffy
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia290 Posts
February 20 2011 10:55 GMT
#741
Guess ill be muting the stream until code s starts then
Teddyman
Profile Joined October 2008
Finland362 Posts
February 20 2011 11:09 GMT
#742
I'm quite surprised that people take offense to everything she posts but are totally OK with Tasteless posting dick/porn jokes on his twitter... Actually, I'm not surprised at all that there's rampant hypocrisy in a thread where all the remaining posters are biased against her. Hell, it seems that a fucking psychological profile made just from reading her facebook posts is taken seriously.
"Chess is a dead game" -Bobby Fischer 2004
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
February 20 2011 11:33 GMT
#743
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Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 11:42:20
February 20 2011 11:40 GMT
#744
On February 20 2011 20:09 Teddyman wrote:
I'm quite surprised that people take offense to everything she posts but are totally OK with Tasteless posting dick/porn jokes on his twitter... Actually, I'm not surprised at all that there's rampant hypocrisy in a thread where all the remaining posters are biased against her. Hell, it seems that a fucking psychological profile made just from reading her facebook posts is taken seriously.


Has there ever been anyone saying she's even suited for the job?
The best reasons why to hire her has been:

She's female.
She has casted before.
GOM didn't have much time, so they just picked someone based off of CV.

She's had major complaints on her casting, because honestly she's not suited for it.
Tasteless is, and has been a starcraft icon since the stone age, and he has the tounge in cheek kind of glow to him. He's been casting since long before the sc2 days.
I'm not gonna beat around the bush here - she has an annoying voice. Most people would agree with me here, and that's basically enough to not be a caster at a major event.
Even if she had an exstensive game knowledge, understandable English in tense situations and great casting skills, her voice (even in the clearest of English) would still be enough to hire someone else, and as she in public opinion has none of the above, there's gonna be complaints.
I understand you're some kind of fanboy, who do understand her. But a lot of us don't. There are alot of people, maybe even the majority who don't have English as native language when watching GSL, and if you have a caster who speaks with a heavy accent it just doesn't work out.
Also if you look at her other casts, she has a history of started screaming uncontrollably, and make a sound carpet over the other casters voice with her yelling that none can understand.

And you're saying "what hypocrisy! Tasteless post dick jokes on his twitter"... dude none cares.

I don't understand what she's saying here. Imagine this being HuK vs Moonglade, or any other of the foreigner favourites in coda A. It would be a disaster.

I have nothing against Kelly Milkies as a person, and I like that more girls are trying out a casting career. I think there are better options for the English stream though.
As China will start playing sc2 now, it wouldn't surprise me if GOM got a huge upswing by Chinese viewes. Maybe Kelly could become the Chinese caster in the future?
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 11:48:57
February 20 2011 11:45 GMT
#745
On February 20 2011 20:33 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 03:22 Xeris wrote:
How can you complain to someone about their accent? It's not like people can change their voice, lol.

"YO, FIX YOUR ACCENT!" is the dumbest criticism ever. oo~

That's exactly the point.

Well it is possible to train yourself to talk more clearly, but that takes TIME. Actors do it. In todays world of instant satisfaction people dont bother with that.

Not being able to change your accent is no excuse for giving her the job in the first place. If GOM is stupid enough to do that it is their fault. Kelly could also have declined the job, but maybe the "problem" isnt as big in Asia since there are probably many people who speak like she does and everyone is used to it.

"Yo, fix your accent!" isnt dumb but rather valid criticism to improve quality.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
February 20 2011 11:47 GMT
#746
On February 20 2011 20:45 Rabiator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 20:33 zeru wrote:
On February 20 2011 03:22 Xeris wrote:
How can you complain to someone about their accent? It's not like people can change their voice, lol.

"YO, FIX YOUR ACCENT!" is the dumbest criticism ever. oo~

That's exactly the point.

Well it is possible to train yourself to talk more clearly, but that takes TIME. Actors do it. In todays world of instant satisfaction people dont bother with that.

Not being able to change your accent is no excuse for giving her the job in the first place. If GOM is stupid enough to do that it is their fault. Kelly could also have declined the job, but maybe the "problem" isnt as big in Asia since there are probably many people who speak like she does and everyone is used to it.


Ofcourse. None of this can be blamed on her. She just applied, and the rest were in the hands of GOM.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
Teddyman
Profile Joined October 2008
Finland362 Posts
February 20 2011 11:52 GMT
#747
On February 20 2011 20:40 Euronyme wrote:
And you're saying "what hypocrisy! Tasteless post dick jokes on his twitter"... dude none cares.

Yeah that was pretty much my point, the fact that nobody cares. That's why I called it hypocrisy. And you called me a fanboy, I guess for not saying I dislike her casting. That kind of confirms that the thread doesn't have anybody but biased people left posting. That and the fact that everybody keeps reposting her worst cast as if it proved something about how she speaks normally. I could name 20 casters that I think do a better job than her, but nobody on that list applied. I just think that the decrease in Code A casting quality is a fair price to pay for more energetic Code S casting. I guess that's enough to be labelled a fanboy here.
"Chess is a dead game" -Bobby Fischer 2004
thesideshow
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
930 Posts
February 20 2011 11:55 GMT
#748
On February 20 2011 20:40 Euronyme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 20:09 Teddyman wrote:
I'm quite surprised that people take offense to everything she posts but are totally OK with Tasteless posting dick/porn jokes on his twitter... Actually, I'm not surprised at all that there's rampant hypocrisy in a thread where all the remaining posters are biased against her. Hell, it seems that a fucking psychological profile made just from reading her facebook posts is taken seriously.


Has there ever been anyone saying she's even suited for the job?
The best reasons why to hire her has been:

She's female.
She has casted before.
GOM didn't have much time, so they just picked someone based off of CV.

She's had major complaints on her casting, because honestly she's not suited for it.
Tasteless is, and has been a starcraft icon since the stone age, and he has the tounge in cheek kind of glow to him. He's been casting since long before the sc2 days.
I'm not gonna beat around the bush here - she has an annoying voice. Most people would agree with me here, and that's basically enough to not be a caster at a major event.
Even if she had an exstensive game knowledge, understandable English in tense situations and great casting skills, her voice (even in the clearest of English) would still be enough to hire someone else, and as she in public opinion has none of the above, there's gonna be complaints.
I understand you're some kind of fanboy, who do understand her. But a lot of us don't. There are alot of people, maybe even the majority who don't have English as native language when watching GSL, and if you have a caster who speaks with a heavy accent it just doesn't work out.
Also if you look at her other casts, she has a history of started screaming uncontrollably, and make a sound carpet over the other casters voice with her yelling that none can understand.

And you're saying "what hypocrisy! Tasteless post dick jokes on his twitter"... dude none cares.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txj3ePjFQdU&feature=related
I don't understand what she's saying here. Imagine this being HuK vs Moonglade, or any other of the foreigner favourites in coda A. It would be a disaster.

I have nothing against Kelly Milkies as a person, and I like that more girls are trying out a casting career. I think there are better options for the English stream though.
As China will start playing sc2 now, it wouldn't surprise me if GOM got a huge upswing by Chinese viewes. Maybe Kelly could become the Chinese caster in the future?


I was wondering why she kept saying "SHAG HER!", till I realized she was saying "shackle"......
OGS:levelchange
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
February 20 2011 12:01 GMT
#749
On February 20 2011 20:52 Teddyman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2011 20:40 Euronyme wrote:
And you're saying "what hypocrisy! Tasteless post dick jokes on his twitter"... dude none cares.

Yeah that was pretty much my point, the fact that nobody cares. That's why I called it hypocrisy. And you called me a fanboy, I guess for not saying I dislike her casting. That kind of confirms that the thread doesn't have anybody but biased people left posting. That and the fact that everybody keeps reposting her worst cast as if it proved something about how she speaks normally. I could name 20 casters that I think do a better job than her, but nobody on that list applied. I just think that the decrease in Code A casting quality is a fair price to pay for more energetic Code S casting. I guess that's enough to be labelled a fanboy here.


By saying that everyone's biased, you're meaning that there's none left (has there ever been any?) who says that Kelly is a terrific caster?
I'm biased against Kelly based upon the information that's been given. If she proves to be an awesome caster, then I'm gonna be the happiest man in the world.

Thing is that many of us, me included, are almost more looking forward for the Code A than the code S, as I really want to know how HuK and Ret are gonna do, so decreasing the Code A casting quality is a pretty big deal.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
Teddyman
Profile Joined October 2008
Finland362 Posts
February 20 2011 12:11 GMT
#750
I say people are biased because they don't consider all the information available and just use the material that paints her in the worst light. It's why the DotA finals cast has been pasted countless times but the much more relevant cast (you know, being SC2 and all) with TB hasn't really appeared here. Another example might be that the posts where she uses the words "troll" or "hater" are analyzed into and taken as evidence that she doesn't intend to improve when there are other posts and even an interview where she says she will. Yet another example would be where people complain about her ladder rank but would still welcome even lower ranked casters if they just happened to be their favorites.
"Chess is a dead game" -Bobby Fischer 2004
Dox
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1199 Posts
February 20 2011 12:18 GMT
#751
The replies in this interview should really nullify all of the ridiculous outbursts that have been flooding TL for the last 5 days.
@NvDox | Plantronics Nv: Rossi . mOOnGLaDe . deth . JazBas | @NvSC2 | @NvCoD | @NvLeague | @NvHearthstone | @NvDotA2 | @PLT_MF
HoldenR
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands256 Posts
February 20 2011 12:41 GMT
#752
The difference between Tasteless making dick and porn jokes on his twitter is that they're jokes. While I don't mind the nazi meme myself(although good lord, being a person in the public eye and still using 4chan garbage really speaks volumes about her professionalism.), we should point out there is a difference between "dirty jokes" and "emo, self centered posts" about her love life, "deep" dark poems about her feelings, and how she considers herself a queen.

None of that is humor. It's narcissism. If she makes dirty jokes, who cares, they're jokes. When all she does is talk about herself, that's extremely off putting behavior.
Dox
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1199 Posts
February 20 2011 12:42 GMT
#753
It's amazing what some people can interpret from stalking someone on the internet for a few hours.
@NvDox | Plantronics Nv: Rossi . mOOnGLaDe . deth . JazBas | @NvSC2 | @NvCoD | @NvLeague | @NvHearthstone | @NvDotA2 | @PLT_MF
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 12:48:50
February 20 2011 12:43 GMT
#754
On February 20 2011 21:42 Dox wrote:
It's amazing what some people can interpret from stalking someone on the internet for a few hours.

It's amazing what you learn from meeting them face to face, too.
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 12:58:39
February 20 2011 12:50 GMT
#755
On February 20 2011 21:42 Dox wrote:
It's amazing what some people can interpret from stalking someone on the internet for a few hours.

It's amazing how some people can excuse everything ... probably in the name of freedom and tolerance.

If Tasteless is making bad jokes on his Twitter he should be slapped for stupidity, but then his "fighting name" IS Tasteless ... if one thing is wrong it isnt an excuse to accept another of those same bad things if you can prevent it.

On February 20 2011 21:41 HoldenR wrote:
The difference between Tasteless making dick and porn jokes on his twitter is that they're jokes. While I don't mind the nazi meme myself(although good lord, being a person in the public eye and still using 4chan garbage really speaks volumes about her professionalism.), we should point out there is a difference between "dirty jokes" and "emo, self centered posts" about her love life, "deep" dark poems about her feelings, and how she considers herself a queen.

None of that is humor. It's narcissism. If she makes dirty jokes, who cares, they're jokes. When all she does is talk about herself, that's extremely off putting behavior.

Not everything is excuseable because it is a joke. As long as you are on an "open medium" like Twitter you are responsible for what you do. Giving bad examples is inacceptable, because it gives our kids a bad example of how to behave in public. If Tasteless tells stupid jokes to his nerd buddy Artosis in private that is fine, but he better not do it where any kids might see them. It is the same for EVERYONE of us grown ups ... we are responsible for our behaviour in public, because we show any nearby children how to behave. If people screw up and run across a busy street while dodging cars and some children see that who do you think is responsible for their injuries if they do it themselves? The parents who did not fix that ball and chain to the kids ankles or the bad example? Freedom has its limitations and they end where you infringe upon the freedom of others. So in that sense bad behaviour is ALWAYS a reason for complaints.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
cereal7802
Profile Joined December 2010
United States9 Posts
February 20 2011 12:51 GMT
#756
On February 20 2011 21:11 Teddyman wrote:
I say people are biased because they don't consider all the information available and just use the material that paints her in the worst light. It's why the DotA finals cast has been pasted countless times but the much more relevant cast (you know, being SC2 and all) with TB hasn't really appeared here.



did you mean the video posted earlier in the thread? think its page 4-5.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7975370
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everynne
Profile Joined November 2010
United States20 Posts
February 20 2011 12:52 GMT
#757
People need to calm their tits and wait to pass judgment until we actually see her casting alongside Tasteless or Artosis for GSL. We don't know how their dynamic will play out, we don't know how she'll do and quite frankly some of the comments in here are bashing her because of her sex. Just see how it goes before totally flaming her ya?
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 13:19:49
February 20 2011 12:55 GMT
#758
On February 20 2011 21:18 Dox wrote:
The replies in this interview should really nullify all of the ridiculous outbursts that have been flooding TL for the last 5 days.


That interview doesn't change anything. None says she's a bad person, just that she's not suited for the foreigner stream.

On February 20 2011 21:11 Teddyman wrote:
I say people are biased because they don't consider all the information available and just use the material that paints her in the worst light. It's why the DotA finals cast has been pasted countless times but the much more relevant cast (you know, being SC2 and all) with TB hasn't really appeared here. Another example might be that the posts where she uses the words "troll" or "hater" are analyzed into and taken as evidence that she doesn't intend to improve when there are other posts and even an interview where she says she will. Yet another example would be where people complain about her ladder rank but would still welcome even lower ranked casters if they just happened to be their favorites.


The TB cast she did recieved the same feedback as the dota cast. She did so many factual fallacies that it just wasn't on par with the quality expected by the biggest sc2 tournament in the world. For instance her insightful comment "I don't agree with the speedling opening, as he needs to get banelings out as soon as possible, he won't get enough gas from one extractor to hold it off" when the terran is doing a FE (who does two gas baneling anyway? Even a baneling all in only requires one extractor), and then she moves on to "on this map it's common for Z to go for muta / baneling".... This is what every Z (except for catz) is doing ZvT on every map since forever basically.
The dota cast is sadly still a good example.
There are tons of moments in the TB cast where I don't understand what she is saying.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
Teddyman
Profile Joined October 2008
Finland362 Posts
February 20 2011 13:00 GMT
#759
If you put something someone else said in quotes, it better be literally what they said. One of your examples wasn't from her at all and the other one is quite opposite from what she said. You should probably look at the quotes first and then think about what you should infer from them instead of choosing your interpretation and then editing the quotes to match it.
"Chess is a dead game" -Bobby Fischer 2004
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 13:02:40
February 20 2011 13:01 GMT
#760
On February 20 2011 21:52 everynne wrote:
People need to calm their tits and wait to pass judgment until we actually see her casting alongside Tasteless or Artosis for GSL. We don't know how their dynamic will play out, we don't know how she'll do and quite frankly some of the comments in here are bashing her because of her sex. Just see how it goes before totally flaming her ya?

Where are the comments "bashing her for her sex"? At least 90% of the criticism is about her speech or her professional attitude.

Well it is less than 24 hours to go until we will see how she has improved her enunciation as she said she would ...
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
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