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Noob3rt
Canada114 Posts
All the best to her though. I hope she can prove me wrong. It's good for people to get shots at what they wish to do. This is her shot, and I bet thousands of people will be wondering the same thing as I - "Will she be good or just outright horrible?" Best of luck to Kelly. Odd choice of name though.. =\ | ||
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Kelsin
United States253 Posts
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
On February 18 2011 23:26 Ozzon wrote: Different VOD, 2 hours of DXPhoenix and Kellymilkies, judge for yourself: It's very recent. Much respect to Phoenix. I have no idea how he could continue casting with her without losing his mind. He's continuously being talked over. He's also a much better caster and incredibly more pleasant to listen to than kellyMILKIES. | ||
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EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
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Smorrie
Netherlands2956 Posts
Good luck to her! edit: I think having her casting along someone else might actually not be that bad for the casual public. I just watched the first game of the quoted youtube vid... I have to admit some of her comments annoyed me a little but at the same time she asked some questions during the game which Phoenix answered. Overall I think people should give her a chance before burning her down right away :p Review her again in 1-1.5 month when she's more settled down in the new environment and got some more experience! edit2: Oh, I wasn't aware that she was a long time caster already >.< In that case I'll have to agree that she gives me a mediocre impression right now >.< | ||
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
On February 18 2011 23:42 Cathasaigh wrote: Yeah... that is completely irrelevant to what I said. And again that's a completely different situation. He hadn't previously been doing that for an extended period of time while not being very good at it then suddenly became good at it when he started working there. She is a very mediocre caster that is hard to understand that you somehow think will become a good caster that is understandable because she's working at GOM. He was someone who could speak English and Korean that got a new job and over time got used to being an interviewer. If you think those situations are even remotely similar then I don't even know what to say to you. lol yea it seems we have completely different mind sets. Mind is more if you keep doing something you'll eventually get better at it. Yours seems to be, if you keep doing something but you don't get better, you'll never get better. Oh well, no one thinks the same way I guess. I dunno, might just be me, but i really do think casting and translating have common grounds in that both are public speaking and thus 'speaking skills' are important. Way I see it is, if they can take a noob off the street (john) and somehow turn him into this awesome Translator. Then surely they can turn someone with so much prior experience into an at least passable caster. Lol i still remember john's first day on the job, no one could even hear him haha. | ||
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Cathasaigh
United States285 Posts
On February 19 2011 00:27 me_viet wrote: lol yea it seems we have completely different mind sets. Mind is more if you keep doing something you'll eventually get better at it. Yours seems to be, if you keep doing something but you don't get better, you'll never get better. Oh well, no one thinks the same way I guess. I dunno, might just be me, but i really do think casting and translating have common grounds in that both are public speaking and thus 'speaking skills' are important. Way I see it is, if they can take a noob off the street (john) and somehow turn him into this awesome Translator. Then surely they can turn someone with so much prior experience into an at least passable caster. Lol i still remember john's first day on the job, no one could even hear him haha. Right... me saying that she's been doing this for years and hasn't changed so she won't suddenly get better just because she works at GOM means that I think people won't get better if they keep trying. You seem to think that anyone can do anything if you just stick them in an important position so we should just make bums CEO's of companies. (see I can put random words in your mouth too) | ||
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Poocs
94 Posts
On February 18 2011 21:58 12elentless wrote: d) Perhaps more important than the previous point, do we actually have any access to knowing who the candidates were, what their experience in casting was, etc.? Unfortunately, we don't. GomTV has all the materials in regards to the decision. We all want to think that we do know who should and shouldn't be a caster, but unfortunately, we're not in the top dog's position. Sucky huh? (To be perfectly honest, there's a lot of chatter about Torch having been a candidate, but I have no idea whether that's true or not. Do you?) This is actually a valid point which I guess Gom was trying to emphasize with the announcement saying that they are still looking for casters. But it's not going to make me listen to something that hurts my brain. I just can't stand her voice and that's not something she can change. And there's very little I can do about it either. Have you watched anything on mute other than porn? Pretty boring. I couldn't care less if she was just talking about her day during the game if she had a pleasant voice and I could understand her without an effort. | ||
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Nillinch
Poland147 Posts
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
On February 19 2011 00:39 Poocs wrote: This is actually a valid point which I guess Gom was trying to emphasize with the announcement saying that they are still looking for casters. But it's not going to make me listen to something that hurts my brain. I just can't stand her voice and that's not something she can change. And there's very little I can do about it either. Have you watched anything on mute other than porn? Pretty boring. The lack of applicants/alternatives doesn't work as an argument because: - kellyMILKIES does not speak English, which makes her unqualified for the assigned role right from the start (obviously not from GOM's perspective, for whatever reason). - Having her talk is actually bad enough of an experience for many that people feel compelled to mute the audio or turn off the stream completely, which means that it would be better to have nobody casting at all than to have her do it. | ||
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
On February 19 2011 00:30 Cathasaigh wrote: Right... me saying that she's been doing this for years and hasn't changed so she won't suddenly get better just because she works at GOM means that I think people won't get better if they keep trying. You seem to think that anyone can do anything if you just stick them in an important position so we should just make bums CEO's of companies. (see I can put random words in your mouth too) Yep, theoretically if people around him support him enough and he actually does try, then yes I don't see why over time he wouldn't at least know what he's doing. Funny thing I actually watched an old movie about that. Two old CEOs betted a dollar wether a bum off the street can be made into a respectable business partner to run the company. The bum eventually turned out to be extremely proficient at it, and the 2 old guys had to get rid of him oO here's the movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086465/ (oh wow eddie murphy was actually in that oO completely forgot) EDIT: oh i forgot to add if you've been doing something 'wrong' the whole time but you don't know it, and someone comes around telling you how to do it properly, you'll see a big improvement. That's why there are threads like this for starcraft: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=154742 Just too bad there's no thread like that for casting (afaik). | ||
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kcaz
Canada387 Posts
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On February 19 2011 00:49 me_viet wrote: Yep, theoretically if people around him support him enough and he actually does try, then yes I don't see why over time he wouldn't at least know what he's doing. Funny thing I actually watched an old movie about that. Two old CEOs betted a dollar wether a bum off the street can be made into a respectable business partner to run the company. The bum eventually turned out to be extremely proficient at it, and the 2 old guys had to get rid of him oO here's the movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086465/ (oh wow eddie murphy was actually in that oO completely forgot) Sorry to break this to you, but Trading Places isn't a documentary. | ||
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stolensheep
United Kingdom306 Posts
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Shooks
Australia256 Posts
On February 19 2011 00:12 enzym wrote: Much respect to Phoenix. I have no idea how he could continue casting with her without losing his mind. He's continuously being talked over. He's also a much better caster and incredibly more pleasant to listen to than kellyMILKIES. I know right? Fuck me, after casting for so long, has she not even learned the most basic lesson of not talking over people? | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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ccHaZaRd
Canada1024 Posts
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On February 19 2011 01:02 stolensheep wrote: I think it's pretty funny that most of the people who are raging about her having an accent are from NA. God help you people if you ever travel! Personally I don't have a problem with her accent and enjoy her casting, I'll be looking forward to it! I taught English in Guangzhou, China for a year. I was paid good money by Chinese citizens because they knew that an accent akin to Kelly's would affect their ability to communicate with Western people and therefore their success in business. | ||
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
On February 19 2011 01:01 bonifaceviii wrote: Sorry to break this to you, but Trading Places isn't a documentary. i said it was a movie lol | ||
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Avaloch
241 Posts
On February 19 2011 01:02 stolensheep wrote: I think it's pretty funny that most of the people who are raging about her having an accent are from NA. God help you people if you ever travel! Personally I don't have a problem with her accent and enjoy her casting, I'll be looking forward to it! I think her accent is the most obvious point for contention but I think there are other, more pressing, problems with her casting. I mentioned the following few reasons in the other thread when this was still a rumour. 1) She talks over her co-caster very often - If she gets talked over or interrupted, she just talks even louder. 2) She isn't as knowledgeable as I would like a caster to be - I've seen casts where her co-caster says something, that's correct, and totally contradicts her points. 3) She speaks very very fast when there are heated battles and oftentimes, you cannot catch what she is saying. 4) Awkward silence. | ||
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