On February 18 2011 22:53 Calasmere wrote: Regardless of how much she wants to improve, being a non-native English speaker will never allow her to speak as clear as one who is natively an English speaker.
I think she is a native English speaker. But with Singapore accent.
Oh? Well, regardless, she has an accent, and it'll be a hurdle that will be impossible to overcome.
On February 18 2011 14:27 axellerate wrote: I quit.
On February 18 2011 14:35 axellerate wrote: Why is my money going towards a caster that I do not enjoy watching?
I feel that most of the community feels this way and now face a dilemma.
I don't want to watch the Code A matches, half because of the obvious reasoning and the other half because I feel I should demonstrate to GOMtv that they DID mess up.
I just contributed to her salary...
Out of EVERYONE willing to cast... WHY.
On February 18 2011 14:46 axellerate wrote: I requested a refund.
Im sorry GOM... You forced my hand...
notice he posted those...well..for no reason other than to just flame. and maybe get his post count up.
...andrewwiggins just stirring shit up, pretty much disagreeing with people who are saying to give Kelly a CHance. With absolutely minimal knowledge and overly inflated sense of entitlement.
On February 18 2011 14:50 Helios.Star wrote: People are saying not to be hard on her, or to get used to it, but when is the last time you turned on an NFL or NBA game and said "Damn this guys accent is too thick to understand, I guess I'll have to watch for a few weeks and get used to it"? Or better yet during an MMA or Boxing fight on Pay-Per-View, something you need to pay for like many people, including myself, do for GSL. This reminded me of a few major universities refunding students tuition if their professors accent was too thick for them to understand, but I doubt GOM would do anything like that.
This.
I'm sick and tired of arguing with people who think that Kelly is a decent caster at all and that we should just get used to it because that's the way it is.
I have to go to ALOT of trouble to understand her at all.
And there's no way she is the best caster in all of SEA. Absolutely not.
On February 18 2011 14:57 Energizer wrote: Was really hoping lilsusie might head back to the spotlight once more
On the bright side, this is only for code A and really, how many games do you normally watch on that circuit? Me personally its between 5-10 tops.
Have you seen the line up for this Code A? It is going to be epic.
Well. WAS going to be epic. not so much now... =(
I just can't believe GOM thinks that just because she's a girl, the community will love her/warm up to her and disregard her total lack of ability to cast in understandable english! O_O
Does GOM really think SC2 fans are that one dimensional??
On February 18 2011 17:31 zelah wrote: Y'all need to quit being Huge Babies and just deal with it. I have subscribed to every season of GSL because I LOVE STARCRAFT. If you're going to let someone with an accent you don't like prevent you from watching really great games you need to reevaluate what your priorities.
GOM has made their decision, for now at least, you all need to suck it up and stop whining.
Can someone ban this guy please?
Where did you read that people were going to stop watching Code A because of Kelly? Hmm? Where did you read here that anyone here HATES starcraft? Eh?
No I didn't think so.
People said they're going to HATE watching Code A with Kelly. And if possible they will avoid it by watching a restream recast, or finding the original Korean stream or something.
Read the thread before you post.
On February 18 2011 17:59 andrewwiggin wrote:
FINEEE. I'll give her a go! -___-
But GOM better have a mad backup plan for the day after day 1 of Code A games...because if she's exactly like she is in her youtube vids, and nothing's changed...
1. well, i really don't have anything to say to this. lol i really don't know how to phrase all this. Because YOU have a lot of trouble listening to her the first time, you're not even going to give her a chance to improve herself. That's pretty douche-y Second part; It's not a question of wether she's the best caster, but she's the best one willing to put in the commitment to travel to Korea. Also, 'best' is an OPINION. I might think PsyStarcraft is the best caster while others will say day9.
2. Wtf man, if you hate her casting that much when the games roll around put her on mute. No one's going to care. if not go watch the korean stream. Or stream it yourself. As good as Tastosis is, I rather they want to cast it then them doing it halfheartedly. second part; Who are you to think you know why Gom chose KellyMilkies JUST BECAUSE she's a girl? It may have been one of the reason, but it WOULD NOT have been the only reason. If they just wanted a girl to cast, they could've just hired any model/caster in kroea and save no cost. No, they're flying some one in JUST to cast for us.
3. You should follow your own advice here.
4."FINEEEE. I'll give her a go! -___-" --> wat. the. fuck. over inflated sense of importance much? I personally don't care wether you watch her or not. I'm sure no one else here does. "but GOM better have a mad backup plan for the day after day 1 of code A games..." --> Really? you're only going to give the girl one day to improve? Well how would you like it if on the day you're born someone comes in and say "kk, we're going to see if you deserve to live" (bit extreme..but trying to get point across).
What shit is going to hit the fan? Most people here are perfectly happy to give KellyMilkies at least a few weeks, many even a whole season to improve.
Those were just some of the posters i've noticed posting numerous times..
Sorry, had to vent, posters like andrewwiggins just touched a nerve somewhere...
Hm. For someone who writes alot, you don't really address anyone's concerns. You're as much of a flamer as anyone here buddy.
Absolutely nothing of what you said will help Kelly suddenly speak english better.
If I decide to pay for GOM streaming, then I obviously feel entitled to UNDERSTAND what I'm watching. Am I wrong?
And yes. One day is all she deserves. Because if in that first day, she still casts like she did in that DOTA tournament that I just streamed off youtube, then HOW exactly do you figure she'll suddenly improve to perfectly understandable english? Hmmm?
And seriously. What's with the analogy ... someone asking whether i deserve to live or die? Are you serious? Wtf is that about.
Sorry but, posters like you don't really think before you write. People have legitimate concerns about being able to understand and enjoy what's looking to be one of the best Code A match lineups since the beginning of the GSL. And you're telling me.. what.
To be grateful that they didn't hire a model from Korea to be caster?
I don't even understand you at all... O_O
EDIT: Before you call people out for stirring shit up, really think about whether maybe this is actually something important to them. That maybe, just maaaybe, they care about the e-sports scene and e-sports image. That just maybe, they want Starcraft 2 to succeed on an international scale. That just MAYBE ... they're looking out for the game that they've loved since they were kids.
Think about that. Douche.
lol. k mister wiggins. You mute/turn off code A.
But please stop trying to convince everyone else to share in your misery of missing out on the awesome foreigner games that will be Code A.
If people want to check, click on andrewwiggins profile and you'll see that ALL his posts in this thread and there's quite a few, have been to argue with others who are trying to give kellymilkies a chance naming the multitude of reason. But our friend here refuses to be swayed and insists on making OUR experience as less enjoyable as his.
Lol. You're acting like I'm the only person who doesn't want Kelly to be a code a caster. Don't be a child. You want to ignore the other hundreds of posters on TL who don't agree with GOMs decision, go ahead.
And yes, if you click on my profile, you'll see I'm quite anti Kelly. I posted once... And then people like you responded with: - get used to it - then don't watch code a - it's her microphone - it's easy to understand her - but she's a nice person - gom chose her, it must have been for a good reason, get over it - she'll get 100 times better, you just have to wait the whole season
And it's excuses like that forced me to respond. Because they're quite pitiful excuses/reasoning.
Oh. And here's the funniest bit. Not once have I seen the excuse "but she's an incredible caster!"...
On February 18 2011 14:50 Helios.Star wrote: People are saying not to be hard on her, or to get used to it, but when is the last time you turned on an NFL or NBA game and said "Damn this guys accent is too thick to understand, I guess I'll have to watch for a few weeks and get used to it"? Or better yet during an MMA or Boxing fight on Pay-Per-View, something you need to pay for like many people, including myself, do for GSL. This reminded me of a few major universities refunding students tuition if their professors accent was too thick for them to understand, but I doubt GOM would do anything like that.
This.
I'm sick and tired of arguing with people who think that Kelly is a decent caster at all and that we should just get used to it because that's the way it is.
I have to go to ALOT of trouble to understand her at all.
And there's no way she is the best caster in all of SEA. Absolutely not.
every other post has been quoting someone and then just trying to hammer in YOUR opinion of why she would be a bad choice forever and ever and ever.
MOST TL that disagree, they state their disagreement and leave it at that. Why do you feel the need to rebutt everyone else's opinion? Also MOST TL are also willing to give her a chance be it a week or even a whole season. Why don't you? Why would shit hit the fan if she doesn't nail it the first day on the job?+ Show Spoiler +
On February 18 2011 17:59 andrewwiggin wrote:
FINEEE. I'll give her a go! -___-
But GOM better have a mad backup plan for the day after day 1 of Code A games...because if she's exactly like she is in her youtube vids, and nothing's changed...
well then.. shit's gonna hit the fan.
As far as i'm concern all the reason you listed ARE legit. The fact that she's been a caster for so long shows her dedication, and i respect that. Look at her youtube page, she has like 200 subcribers. I don't know how much revenue she gets from that, but cna't be that much. I'm also pretty sure she has a day job and does this from her free time. If she really is that bad of a caster, why does she keep getting her casting gigs, certainly not because of her overwhelming number of subscribers.
The real question now is, why are you so anti-kelly? Unrequitted love? What is it? What makes you so bitter? That every post so far has been tinged with negativity.
The only way to make esport grow is to support all the members of the community. To just go out there and DO something for it. Kelly is doing that. We should be supporting her and giving her feedbacks. She already said she'll try her best. What more do you want of her?
And please stop calling me a child. That has nothing to do with this. Let my faith and optimistic view of the world be left untainted. Haters are going to hate. Why can't i just ignore all the flame? I don't see how that makes me a child.
"All the reasons I listed are legit"...Are you being serious?
And .. unrequited love? wtf? Get off whatever you're smoking.
Dedication. Fans. Casting gigs. 200 youtube subscribers ----> things that don't change her lacking grasp of english enunciation/speakability
Anyway, Done arguing with you. You want to watch kelly, well, she'll be on the Code A casting team for the whole Code A season, you get your wish.
But don't try to convince yourself or anyone else that she's not a questionable choice of caster. Because you're only deceiving yourself there buddy.
On February 18 2011 23:13 BlueFlames wrote: @ me_viet
stop using esports for an excuse for every damn thing. i stated my opinion about kelly before so i wont do it again, but i am sick of this stupid esports talk. no we dont have to support everybody who tries to do something in the scene. we have to support the people that are good at it! i dont give a damn how hard someone tries. i dont have to like it and i wont support it just for the sake of esports.
and if people dont like the work of a certain caster and dont want to see him/her casting the biggest starcraft 2 tournament in the world right now than they have all the right to make their opinion heard, instead of saying "ill suck it up for the sake of esports".
I agree, if after she gets her chance and she's still terrible then the viewership gets every rights to demand a change.
But as it is, people are not even willing to give her ONE day to prove herself. Not even willing to give her feedbacks and help her improve. I just don't think that's fair.
Think of the first day working, you'd be nervous as hell.
If after say a week, and she blatantly ignores all feedback or make no conscious effort to improve then i'll be one of the first to say 'gtfo'.
On February 18 2011 23:13 BlueFlames wrote: @ me_viet
stop using esports for an excuse for every damn thing. i stated my opinion about kelly before so i wont do it again, but i am sick of this stupid esports talk. no we dont have to support everybody who tries to do something in the scene. we have to support the people that are good at it! i dont give a damn how hard someone tries. i dont have to like it and i wont support it just for the sake of esports.
and if people dont like the work of a certain caster and dont want to see him/her casting the biggest starcraft 2 tournament in the world right now than they have all the right to make their opinion heard, instead of saying "ill suck it up for the sake of esports".
I agree, if after she gets her chance and she's still terrible then the viewership gets every rights to demand a change.
But as it is, people are not even willing to give her ONE day to prove herself. Not even willing to give her feedbacks and help her improve. I just don't think that's fair.
Think of the first day working, you'd be nervous as hell.
If after say a week, and she blatantly ignores all feedback or make no conscious effort to improve then i'll be one of the first to say 'gtfo'.
I agree. I share your opinion. Give her a chance, but for the right reason.
Have this playing in the background for your next hour of browsing to prepare your ears. She's not that bad as long as she doesn't get over-excited. TotalBiscuit and Eleine can clearly tell what she's saying in the dual casts... you can't explain that!
On February 18 2011 14:27 axellerate wrote: I quit.
On February 18 2011 14:35 axellerate wrote: Why is my money going towards a caster that I do not enjoy watching?
I feel that most of the community feels this way and now face a dilemma.
I don't want to watch the Code A matches, half because of the obvious reasoning and the other half because I feel I should demonstrate to GOMtv that they DID mess up.
I just contributed to her salary...
Out of EVERYONE willing to cast... WHY.
On February 18 2011 14:46 axellerate wrote: I requested a refund.
Im sorry GOM... You forced my hand...
notice he posted those...well..for no reason other than to just flame. and maybe get his post count up.
...andrewwiggins just stirring shit up, pretty much disagreeing with people who are saying to give Kelly a CHance. With absolutely minimal knowledge and overly inflated sense of entitlement.
On February 18 2011 14:50 Helios.Star wrote: People are saying not to be hard on her, or to get used to it, but when is the last time you turned on an NFL or NBA game and said "Damn this guys accent is too thick to understand, I guess I'll have to watch for a few weeks and get used to it"? Or better yet during an MMA or Boxing fight on Pay-Per-View, something you need to pay for like many people, including myself, do for GSL. This reminded me of a few major universities refunding students tuition if their professors accent was too thick for them to understand, but I doubt GOM would do anything like that.
This.
I'm sick and tired of arguing with people who think that Kelly is a decent caster at all and that we should just get used to it because that's the way it is.
I have to go to ALOT of trouble to understand her at all.
And there's no way she is the best caster in all of SEA. Absolutely not.
On February 18 2011 14:57 Energizer wrote: Was really hoping lilsusie might head back to the spotlight once more
On the bright side, this is only for code A and really, how many games do you normally watch on that circuit? Me personally its between 5-10 tops.
Have you seen the line up for this Code A? It is going to be epic.
Well. WAS going to be epic. not so much now... =(
I just can't believe GOM thinks that just because she's a girl, the community will love her/warm up to her and disregard her total lack of ability to cast in understandable english! O_O
Does GOM really think SC2 fans are that one dimensional??
On February 18 2011 17:31 zelah wrote: Y'all need to quit being Huge Babies and just deal with it. I have subscribed to every season of GSL because I LOVE STARCRAFT. If you're going to let someone with an accent you don't like prevent you from watching really great games you need to reevaluate what your priorities.
GOM has made their decision, for now at least, you all need to suck it up and stop whining.
Can someone ban this guy please?
Where did you read that people were going to stop watching Code A because of Kelly? Hmm? Where did you read here that anyone here HATES starcraft? Eh?
No I didn't think so.
People said they're going to HATE watching Code A with Kelly. And if possible they will avoid it by watching a restream recast, or finding the original Korean stream or something.
Read the thread before you post.
On February 18 2011 17:59 andrewwiggin wrote:
FINEEE. I'll give her a go! -___-
But GOM better have a mad backup plan for the day after day 1 of Code A games...because if she's exactly like she is in her youtube vids, and nothing's changed...
1. well, i really don't have anything to say to this. lol i really don't know how to phrase all this. Because YOU have a lot of trouble listening to her the first time, you're not even going to give her a chance to improve herself. That's pretty douche-y Second part; It's not a question of wether she's the best caster, but she's the best one willing to put in the commitment to travel to Korea. Also, 'best' is an OPINION. I might think PsyStarcraft is the best caster while others will say day9.
2. Wtf man, if you hate her casting that much when the games roll around put her on mute. No one's going to care. if not go watch the korean stream. Or stream it yourself. As good as Tastosis is, I rather they want to cast it then them doing it halfheartedly. second part; Who are you to think you know why Gom chose KellyMilkies JUST BECAUSE she's a girl? It may have been one of the reason, but it WOULD NOT have been the only reason. If they just wanted a girl to cast, they could've just hired any model/caster in kroea and save no cost. No, they're flying some one in JUST to cast for us.
3. You should follow your own advice here.
4."FINEEEE. I'll give her a go! -___-" --> wat. the. fuck. over inflated sense of importance much? I personally don't care wether you watch her or not. I'm sure no one else here does. "but GOM better have a mad backup plan for the day after day 1 of code A games..." --> Really? you're only going to give the girl one day to improve? Well how would you like it if on the day you're born someone comes in and say "kk, we're going to see if you deserve to live" (bit extreme..but trying to get point across).
What shit is going to hit the fan? Most people here are perfectly happy to give KellyMilkies at least a few weeks, many even a whole season to improve.
Those were just some of the posters i've noticed posting numerous times..
Sorry, had to vent, posters like andrewwiggins just touched a nerve somewhere...
Hm. For someone who writes alot, you don't really address anyone's concerns. You're as much of a flamer as anyone here buddy.
Absolutely nothing of what you said will help Kelly suddenly speak english better.
If I decide to pay for GOM streaming, then I obviously feel entitled to UNDERSTAND what I'm watching. Am I wrong?
And yes. One day is all she deserves. Because if in that first day, she still casts like she did in that DOTA tournament that I just streamed off youtube, then HOW exactly do you figure she'll suddenly improve to perfectly understandable english? Hmmm?
And seriously. What's with the analogy ... someone asking whether i deserve to live or die? Are you serious? Wtf is that about.
Sorry but, posters like you don't really think before you write. People have legitimate concerns about being able to understand and enjoy what's looking to be one of the best Code A match lineups since the beginning of the GSL. And you're telling me.. what.
To be grateful that they didn't hire a model from Korea to be caster?
I don't even understand you at all... O_O
EDIT: Before you call people out for stirring shit up, really think about whether maybe this is actually something important to them. That maybe, just maaaybe, they care about the e-sports scene and e-sports image. That just maybe, they want Starcraft 2 to succeed on an international scale. That just MAYBE ... they're looking out for the game that they've loved since they were kids.
Think about that. Douche.
lol. k mister wiggins. You mute/turn off code A.
But please stop trying to convince everyone else to share in your misery of missing out on the awesome foreigner games that will be Code A.
If people want to check, click on andrewwiggins profile and you'll see that ALL his posts in this thread and there's quite a few, have been to argue with others who are trying to give kellymilkies a chance naming the multitude of reason. But our friend here refuses to be swayed and insists on making OUR experience as less enjoyable as his.
Lol. You're acting like I'm the only person who doesn't want Kelly to be a code a caster. Don't be a child. You want to ignore the other hundreds of posters on TL who don't agree with GOMs decision, go ahead.
And yes, if you click on my profile, you'll see I'm quite anti Kelly. I posted once... And then people like you responded with: - get used to it - then don't watch code a - it's her microphone - it's easy to understand her - but she's a nice person - gom chose her, it must have been for a good reason, get over it - she'll get 100 times better, you just have to wait the whole season
And it's excuses like that forced me to respond. Because they're quite pitiful excuses/reasoning.
Oh. And here's the funniest bit. Not once have I seen the excuse "but she's an incredible caster!"...
On February 18 2011 14:50 Helios.Star wrote: People are saying not to be hard on her, or to get used to it, but when is the last time you turned on an NFL or NBA game and said "Damn this guys accent is too thick to understand, I guess I'll have to watch for a few weeks and get used to it"? Or better yet during an MMA or Boxing fight on Pay-Per-View, something you need to pay for like many people, including myself, do for GSL. This reminded me of a few major universities refunding students tuition if their professors accent was too thick for them to understand, but I doubt GOM would do anything like that.
This.
I'm sick and tired of arguing with people who think that Kelly is a decent caster at all and that we should just get used to it because that's the way it is.
I have to go to ALOT of trouble to understand her at all.
And there's no way she is the best caster in all of SEA. Absolutely not.
every other post has been quoting someone and then just trying to hammer in YOUR opinion of why she would be a bad choice forever and ever and ever.
MOST TL that disagree, they state their disagreement and leave it at that. Why do you feel the need to rebutt everyone else's opinion? Also MOST TL are also willing to give her a chance be it a week or even a whole season. Why don't you? Why would shit hit the fan if she doesn't nail it the first day on the job?+ Show Spoiler +
On February 18 2011 17:59 andrewwiggin wrote:
FINEEE. I'll give her a go! -___-
But GOM better have a mad backup plan for the day after day 1 of Code A games...because if she's exactly like she is in her youtube vids, and nothing's changed...
well then.. shit's gonna hit the fan.
As far as i'm concern all the reason you listed ARE legit. The fact that she's been a caster for so long shows her dedication, and i respect that. Look at her youtube page, she has like 200 subcribers. I don't know how much revenue she gets from that, but cna't be that much. I'm also pretty sure she has a day job and does this from her free time. If she really is that bad of a caster, why does she keep getting her casting gigs, certainly not because of her overwhelming number of subscribers.
The real question now is, why are you so anti-kelly? Unrequitted love? What is it? What makes you so bitter? That every post so far has been tinged with negativity.
The only way to make esport grow is to support all the members of the community. To just go out there and DO something for it. Kelly is doing that. We should be supporting her and giving her feedbacks. She already said she'll try her best. What more do you want of her?
And please stop calling me a child. That has nothing to do with this. Let my faith and optimistic view of the world be left untainted. Haters are going to hate. Why can't i just ignore all the flame? I don't see how that makes me a child.
"All the reasons I listed are legit"...Are you being serious?
And .. unrequited love? wtf? Get off whatever you're smoking.
Dedication. Fans. Casting gigs. 200 youtube subscribers ----> things that don't change her lacking grasp of english enunciation/speakability
Anyway, Done arguing with you. You want to watch kelly, well, she'll be on the Code A casting team for the whole Code A season, you get your wish.
But don't try to convince yourself or anyone else that she's not a questionable choice of caster. Because you're only deceiving yourself there buddy.
K cool. You should read all my posts though, not as many as you, I never for a second said that she was the BEST choice of caster.
I just want her to have a chance which people like you aren't even willing to.
On February 18 2011 23:13 BlueFlames wrote: @ me_viet
stop using esports for an excuse for every damn thing. i stated my opinion about kelly before so i wont do it again, but i am sick of this stupid esports talk. no we dont have to support everybody who tries to do something in the scene. we have to support the people that are good at it! i dont give a damn how hard someone tries. i dont have to like it and i wont support it just for the sake of esports.
and if people dont like the work of a certain caster and dont want to see him/her casting the biggest starcraft 2 tournament in the world right now than they have all the right to make their opinion heard, instead of saying "ill suck it up for the sake of esports".
I agree, if after she gets her chance and she's still terrible then the viewership gets every rights to demand a change.
But as it is, people are not even willing to give her ONE day to prove herself. Not even willing to give her feedbacks and help her improve. I just don't think that's fair.
Think of the first day working, you'd be nervous as hell.
If after say a week, and she blatantly ignores all feedback or make no conscious effort to improve then i'll be one of the first to say 'gtfo'.
People would be much more likely to give her time to prove herself if it wasn't for the fact that she's been around for a while already without showing any change and when their major complaint isn't exactly something she can go and change easily even if she does put effort into it.
I'm dissapointed in GOM. Once again they make a decision that is so far removed from what their customer base wants. And to think we actually pay money to watch one fo the least liked casters atm.
On February 18 2011 23:13 BlueFlames wrote: @ me_viet
stop using esports for an excuse for every damn thing. i stated my opinion about kelly before so i wont do it again, but i am sick of this stupid esports talk. no we dont have to support everybody who tries to do something in the scene. we have to support the people that are good at it! i dont give a damn how hard someone tries. i dont have to like it and i wont support it just for the sake of esports.
and if people dont like the work of a certain caster and dont want to see him/her casting the biggest starcraft 2 tournament in the world right now than they have all the right to make their opinion heard, instead of saying "ill suck it up for the sake of esports".
I agree, if after she gets her chance and she's still terrible then the viewership gets every rights to demand a change.
But as it is, people are not even willing to give her ONE day to prove herself. Not even willing to give her feedbacks and help her improve. I just don't think that's fair.
Think of the first day working, you'd be nervous as hell.
If after say a week, and she blatantly ignores all feedback or make no conscious effort to improve then i'll be one of the first to say 'gtfo'.
People would be much more likely to give her time to prove herself if it wasn't for the fact that she's been around for a while already without showing any change and when their major complaint isn't exactly something she can go and change easily even if she does put effort into it.
The difference being now she casts in the biggest Starcraft 2 Tournment and is going to be on salary and people holding her to required standards. As far as I know, before, she was just doing this out of the bed for a couple of dollars from youtube as a hobby. Maybe a tournament stream every now and then.
Having Gom support her as well as the expertise of Tasteless and Artosis should help her brush up her act much quicker.
On February 18 2011 23:13 BlueFlames wrote: @ me_viet
stop using esports for an excuse for every damn thing. i stated my opinion about kelly before so i wont do it again, but i am sick of this stupid esports talk. no we dont have to support everybody who tries to do something in the scene. we have to support the people that are good at it! i dont give a damn how hard someone tries. i dont have to like it and i wont support it just for the sake of esports.
and if people dont like the work of a certain caster and dont want to see him/her casting the biggest starcraft 2 tournament in the world right now than they have all the right to make their opinion heard, instead of saying "ill suck it up for the sake of esports".
I agree, if after she gets her chance and she's still terrible then the viewership gets every rights to demand a change.
But as it is, people are not even willing to give her ONE day to prove herself. Not even willing to give her feedbacks and help her improve. I just don't think that's fair.
Think of the first day working, you'd be nervous as hell.
If after say a week, and she blatantly ignores all feedback or make no conscious effort to improve then i'll be one of the first to say 'gtfo'.
People would be much more likely to give her time to prove herself if it wasn't for the fact that she's been around for a while already without showing any change and when their major complaint isn't exactly something she can go and change easily even if she does put effort into it.
The difference being now she casts in the biggest Starcraft 2 Tournment and is going to be on salary and people holding her to required standards. As far as I know, before, she was just doing this out of the bed for a couple of dollars from youtube as a hobby. Maybe a tournament stream every now and then.
Having Gom support her as well as the expertise of Tasteless and Artosis should help her brush up her act much quicker.
Sticking someone in a more important position doesn't somehow mean that they're going to get a ton better at what they do. That makes no sense at all, if that was the case you could just take any random person and give them this same position and by that logic well they're casting the biggest SC2 tournament so they're definitely gonna get better at it and do good.
On February 18 2011 23:13 BlueFlames wrote: @ me_viet
stop using esports for an excuse for every damn thing. i stated my opinion about kelly before so i wont do it again, but i am sick of this stupid esports talk. no we dont have to support everybody who tries to do something in the scene. we have to support the people that are good at it! i dont give a damn how hard someone tries. i dont have to like it and i wont support it just for the sake of esports.
and if people dont like the work of a certain caster and dont want to see him/her casting the biggest starcraft 2 tournament in the world right now than they have all the right to make their opinion heard, instead of saying "ill suck it up for the sake of esports".
I agree, if after she gets her chance and she's still terrible then the viewership gets every rights to demand a change.
But as it is, people are not even willing to give her ONE day to prove herself. Not even willing to give her feedbacks and help her improve. I just don't think that's fair.
Think of the first day working, you'd be nervous as hell.
If after say a week, and she blatantly ignores all feedback or make no conscious effort to improve then i'll be one of the first to say 'gtfo'.
People would be much more likely to give her time to prove herself if it wasn't for the fact that she's been around for a while already without showing any change and when their major complaint isn't exactly something she can go and change easily even if she does put effort into it.
The difference being now she casts in the biggest Starcraft 2 Tournment and is going to be on salary and people holding her to required standards. As far as I know, before, she was just doing this out of the bed for a couple of dollars from youtube as a hobby. Maybe a tournament stream every now and then.
Having Gom support her as well as the expertise of Tasteless and Artosis should help her brush up her act much quicker.
Sticking someone in a more important position doesn't somehow mean that they're going to get a ton better at what they do. That makes no sense at all, if that was the case you could just take any random person and give them this same position and by that logic well they're casting the biggest SC2 tournament so they're definitely gonna get better at it and do good.
lol yea, look at john the translator. He could speak english and korean at the time they were looking for a translator. Look how he's doing now.
oh i still remember him in the first season haha, could barely understand/hear the guy xD
On February 18 2011 23:13 BlueFlames wrote: @ me_viet
stop using esports for an excuse for every damn thing. i stated my opinion about kelly before so i wont do it again, but i am sick of this stupid esports talk. no we dont have to support everybody who tries to do something in the scene. we have to support the people that are good at it! i dont give a damn how hard someone tries. i dont have to like it and i wont support it just for the sake of esports.
and if people dont like the work of a certain caster and dont want to see him/her casting the biggest starcraft 2 tournament in the world right now than they have all the right to make their opinion heard, instead of saying "ill suck it up for the sake of esports".
I agree, if after she gets her chance and she's still terrible then the viewership gets every rights to demand a change.
But as it is, people are not even willing to give her ONE day to prove herself. Not even willing to give her feedbacks and help her improve. I just don't think that's fair.
Think of the first day working, you'd be nervous as hell.
If after say a week, and she blatantly ignores all feedback or make no conscious effort to improve then i'll be one of the first to say 'gtfo'.
People would be much more likely to give her time to prove herself if it wasn't for the fact that she's been around for a while already without showing any change and when their major complaint isn't exactly something she can go and change easily even if she does put effort into it.
The difference being now she casts in the biggest Starcraft 2 Tournment and is going to be on salary and people holding her to required standards. As far as I know, before, she was just doing this out of the bed for a couple of dollars from youtube as a hobby. Maybe a tournament stream every now and then.
Having Gom support her as well as the expertise of Tasteless and Artosis should help her brush up her act much quicker.
Sticking someone in a more important position doesn't somehow mean that they're going to get a ton better at what they do. That makes no sense at all, if that was the case you could just take any random person and give them this same position and by that logic well they're casting the biggest SC2 tournament so they're definitely gonna get better at it and do good.
lol yea, look at john the translator. He could speak english and korean at the time they were looking for a translator. Look how he's doing now.
oh i still remember her in the first season haha, could barely understand/hear the guy xD
Yeah... that is completely irrelevant to what I said. And again that's a completely different situation. He hadn't previously been doing that for an extended period of time while not being very good at it then suddenly became good at it when he started working there. She is a very mediocre caster that is hard to understand that you somehow think will become a good caster that is understandable because she's working at GOM. He was someone who could speak English and Korean that got a new job and over time got used to being an interviewer. If you think those situations are even remotely similar then I don't even know what to say to you.
Awww, the new archon name suggestions thread got closed... For Tasteless + KellyMilkies I'd like to suggest: TESTIE and it'll look something like this:
I'm from Singapore and even I find her accent very hard to follow. There are many Singaporeans who have a better grasp of english than that. Also, I don't believe that she has the game sense and knows enough about the game at a pro level
For people who say that she'll improve over time. Sure she will, however this is THE GSL, the pinnacle of anything SC2, and she's getting paid to be a professional caster. Her employer charges the public for premium content and I'm sure us as customers want the best content possible. I don't believe she will offer that, at least not for quite some time although I'm sure she'll learn under Artosis and Tasteless.
This isn't some random online tournament. If it was, I wouldn't mind who's casting. But since this is the GSL, she's not the right choice for GOM. That's just my opinion though...
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