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12elentless
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada4 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 13:14:53
February 18 2011 12:58 GMT
#421
Couple of things I guess I want to point out if we haven't done so already:

a) Kelly IS relatively speaking, more experienced than most of us. If any of you guys have actually tournament casting experience, and applied, perhaps it's just unfortunate that it didn't work out. And we have to consider, this is exactly like a job application: you have a resume, and for the most part, employers have to work off that, and perhaps a cover letter + interview. By the looks it, her commentating resume, is a lot more accomplished than ours (whether by virtue of skill or not.).

b) I do think that while her English in the aforementioned video was to be perfectly honest, atrocious, I don't think that one video can be a full demonstration of her ability/or lack of ability in speaking english. If you go to her youtube site, and watched her latest commentary of a SC2 tournament game, her english is understandable, and not at all as bad as it was in the video. That's not saying though, that there isn't room for improvement (both in how much she speaks in general and interacting with her partner in casting). But I just want to point out that she can speak english, and doesn't sound like gibberish all the time.

c) If you give up on Code A, because of the caster, that's also a bit of a reflection on how much you value a caster. To be frank, for me, it's not that big of a deal. Oftentimes, we comment the games for ourselves because we think we know what's going on more than the commentator (and in this case, it's easy to convince ourselves of that, since sometimes, casters can totally miss something that we totally saw, and we're going WTF!?), but casters are human as much as we are.

d) Perhaps more important than the previous point, do we actually have any access to knowing who the candidates were, what their experience in casting was, etc.? Unfortunately, we don't. GomTV has all the materials in regards to the decision. We all want to think that we do know who should and shouldn't be a caster, but unfortunately, we're not in the top dog's position. Sucky huh?
(To be perfectly honest, there's a lot of chatter about Torch having been a candidate, but I have no idea whether that's true or not. Do you?)

e) last but not least, by the announcement by GomTV, it looks like this is NOT at all a permanent decision, and in some sense, it may encourage other casters who want this position to come out if they think that the situation is that bad. We have yet to see. There could be changes sooner than we think if the outcry (based on this thread alone) is that significant to the interest in Code A.

tl;dr, her resume is better than most, the video is only ONE reflection of her inability to speak english, how much do you value a commentator for your games?, how do we know that there was any candidates better if we don't have GomTV's applicant list, and it's not at all a permanent decision based off what they've said.

Peace.

EDIT: I guess I haven't looked at enough of her videos to see how bad it is, but I'm just wondering whether we're sampling a lot of what seems to be older videos than one that I thought was really recent, which was posted her youtube video. I haven't looked how recent that was, but... relatively speaking, what's being asked of her in an SC2 game could be in my opinion, a lot different from a DOTA game, where there is a lot going on (it's a 5v5 game, there's heroes dying and fight all over the map, no wonder she sounds like she's trying to vomit 100 words out of her mouth per minute.) Altogether, I just am hoping that we can give it a try, and not watch the GSL's viewership suffer especially with a lot of good foreign players possibly making it into Code A (Huk, Haypro possibly, etc.)
me_viet
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1350 Posts
February 18 2011 13:01 GMT
#422
On February 18 2011 21:48 betaV1.25 wrote:
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On February 18 2011 21:19 andrewwiggin wrote:
Think about that. Douche.

Or perhaps you can see how she sounds in a real studio with professionals around her instead of her screaming in a 5 dollar microphone and using lousy recording software. It might be a bit different.



oh shit, i didn't even think about that.

I know for a fact that PsyStarcraft whenever he casts with a shitty mike, it actually sounds terrible.

Difference between recording equipments would be pretty huge too.
Cathasaigh
Profile Joined April 2010
United States285 Posts
February 18 2011 13:05 GMT
#423
On February 18 2011 21:58 12elentless wrote:
b) I do think that while her English in the aforementioned video was to be perfectly honest, atrocious, I don't think that one video can be a full demonstration of her ability/or lack of ability in speaking english.


There are quite a few videos of her English being extremely hard to understand, not just 1.
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me_viet
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1350 Posts
February 18 2011 13:09 GMT
#424
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On February 18 2011 21:19 andrewwiggin wrote:
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On February 18 2011 20:09 me_viet wrote:
In a thread like this, when I click on it, I expected

'some' flame, just natural due to poster hating on choice and prefered their own favourite casters, i've learnt to ignore those.

Well-wishers (^_^).

People with genuine concern and suggestions and expressing their opinions...

But I didnt actually expect shit stirrer like these... that just comes back to add fuel to the fire..

from axellerate
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On February 18 2011 14:27 axellerate wrote:
I quit.


On February 18 2011 14:35 axellerate wrote:
Why is my money going towards a caster that I do not enjoy watching?

I feel that most of the community feels this way and now face a dilemma.

I don't want to watch the Code A matches, half because of the obvious reasoning and the other half because I feel I should demonstrate to GOMtv that they DID mess up.

I just contributed to her salary...

Out of EVERYONE willing to cast... WHY.


On February 18 2011 14:46 axellerate wrote:
I requested a refund.

Im sorry GOM... You forced my hand...


notice he posted those...well..for no reason other than to just flame. and maybe get his post count up.


...andrewwiggins just stirring shit up, pretty much disagreeing with people who are saying to give Kelly a CHance. With absolutely minimal knowledge and overly inflated sense of entitlement.

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On February 18 2011 14:55 andrewwiggin wrote:
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On February 18 2011 14:50 Helios.Star wrote:
People are saying not to be hard on her, or to get used to it, but when is the last time you turned on an NFL or NBA game and said "Damn this guys accent is too thick to understand, I guess I'll have to watch for a few weeks and get used to it"? Or better yet during an MMA or Boxing fight on Pay-Per-View, something you need to pay for like many people, including myself, do for GSL. This reminded me of a few major universities refunding students tuition if their professors accent was too thick for them to understand, but I doubt GOM would do anything like that.


This.

I'm sick and tired of arguing with people who think that Kelly is a decent caster at all and that we should just get used to it because that's the way it is.

I have to go to ALOT of trouble to understand her at all.

And there's no way she is the best caster in all of SEA. Absolutely not.


On February 18 2011 15:00 andrewwiggin wrote:
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On February 18 2011 14:57 Energizer wrote:
Was really hoping lilsusie might head back to the spotlight once more

On the bright side, this is only for code A and really, how many games do you normally watch on that circuit? Me personally its between 5-10 tops.


Have you seen the line up for this Code A? It is going to be epic.

Well. WAS going to be epic. not so much now... =(

I just can't believe GOM thinks that just because she's a girl, the community will love her/warm up to her and disregard her total lack of ability to cast in understandable english! O_O

Does GOM really think SC2 fans are that one dimensional??



On February 18 2011 17:45 andrewwiggin wrote:
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On February 18 2011 17:31 zelah wrote:
Y'all need to quit being Huge Babies and just deal with it. I have subscribed to every season of GSL because I LOVE STARCRAFT. If you're going to let someone with an accent you don't like prevent you from watching really great games you need to reevaluate what your priorities.

GOM has made their decision, for now at least, you all need to suck it up and stop whining.


Can someone ban this guy please?

Where did you read that people were going to stop watching Code A because of Kelly? Hmm? Where did you read here that anyone here HATES starcraft? Eh?

No I didn't think so.

People said they're going to HATE watching Code A with Kelly. And if possible they will avoid it by watching a restream recast, or finding the original Korean stream or something.

Read the thread before you post.


On February 18 2011 17:59 andrewwiggin wrote:

FINEEE. I'll give her a go! -___-

But GOM better have a mad backup plan for the day after day 1 of Code A games...because if she's exactly like she is in her youtube vids, and nothing's changed...

well then.. shit's gonna hit the fan.



My response to each of those posts:
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1. well, i really don't have anything to say to this. lol i really don't know how to phrase all this. Because YOU have a lot of trouble listening to her the first time, you're not even going to give her a chance to improve herself. That's pretty douche-y
Second part; It's not a question of wether she's the best caster, but she's the best one willing to put in the commitment to travel to Korea. Also, 'best' is an OPINION. I might think PsyStarcraft is the best caster while others will say day9.

2. Wtf man, if you hate her casting that much when the games roll around put her on mute. No one's going to care. if not go watch the korean stream. Or stream it yourself. As good as Tastosis is, I rather they want to cast it then them doing it halfheartedly.
second part; Who are you to think you know why Gom chose KellyMilkies JUST BECAUSE she's a girl? It may have been one of the reason, but it WOULD NOT have been the only reason. If they just wanted a girl to cast, they could've just hired any model/caster in kroea and save no cost. No, they're flying some one in JUST to cast for us.

3. You should follow your own advice here.

4."FINEEEE. I'll give her a go! -___-" --> wat. the. fuck. over inflated sense of importance much? I personally don't care wether you watch her or not. I'm sure no one else here does.
"but GOM better have a mad backup plan for the day after day 1 of code A games..." --> Really? you're only going to give the girl one day to improve? Well how would you like it if on the day you're born someone comes in and say "kk, we're going to see if you deserve to live" (bit extreme..but trying to get point across).

What shit is going to hit the fan? Most people here are perfectly happy to give KellyMilkies at least a few weeks, many even a whole season to improve.


Those were just some of the posters i've noticed posting numerous times..

Sorry, had to vent, posters like andrewwiggins just touched a nerve somewhere...


Hm. For someone who writes alot, you don't really address anyone's concerns. You're as much of a flamer as anyone here buddy.

Absolutely nothing of what you said will help Kelly suddenly speak english better.

If I decide to pay for GOM streaming, then I obviously feel entitled to UNDERSTAND what I'm watching. Am I wrong?

And yes. One day is all she deserves. Because if in that first day, she still casts like she did in that DOTA tournament that I just streamed off youtube, then HOW exactly do you figure she'll suddenly improve to perfectly understandable english? Hmmm?

And seriously. What's with the analogy ... someone asking whether i deserve to live or die? Are you serious? Wtf is that about.

Sorry but, posters like you don't really think before you write. People have legitimate concerns about being able to understand and enjoy what's looking to be one of the best Code A match lineups since the beginning of the GSL. And you're telling me.. what.

To be grateful that they didn't hire a model from Korea to be caster?


I don't even understand you at all... O_O

EDIT: Before you call people out for stirring shit up, really think about whether maybe this is actually something important to them. That maybe, just maaaybe, they care about the e-sports scene and e-sports image. That just maybe, they want Starcraft 2 to succeed on an international scale. That just MAYBE ... they're looking out for the game that they've loved since they were kids.

Think about that. Douche.


lol. k mister wiggins. You mute/turn off code A.

But please stop trying to convince everyone else to share in your misery of missing out on the awesome foreigner games that will be Code A.

If people want to check, click on andrewwiggins profile and you'll see that ALL his posts in this thread and there's quite a few, have been to argue with others who are trying to give kellymilkies a chance naming the multitude of reason. But our friend here refuses to be swayed and insists on making OUR experience as less enjoyable as his.
FunkQue
Profile Joined October 2010
United States165 Posts
February 18 2011 13:09 GMT
#425
On February 18 2011 22:05 Cathasaigh wrote:
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On February 18 2011 21:58 12elentless wrote:
b) I do think that while her English in the aforementioned video was to be perfectly honest, atrocious, I don't think that one video can be a full demonstration of her ability/or lack of ability in speaking english.


There are quite a few videos of her English being extremely hard to understand, not just 1.


Exactly, if there were only one, and say five other casts where she sounds great, this thread wouldn't be 22 pages long.
SpurvL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden345 Posts
February 18 2011 13:11 GMT
#426
I'm sorry and i am sure that she's an awesome person but i just cant stand her voice, suppose no Code A for me this time
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andrewwiggin
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia435 Posts
February 18 2011 13:15 GMT
#427
On February 18 2011 21:48 betaV1.25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 21:19 andrewwiggin wrote:
Think about that. Douche.

Or perhaps you can see how she sounds in a real studio with professionals around her instead of her screaming in a 5 dollar microphone and using lousy recording software. It might be a bit different.


They used 5 dollar microphones and lousy recording software at that DoTa tournament she casted? Link proof please.
Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2084 Posts
February 18 2011 13:17 GMT
#428
I guess there will be no Code A game understanding for me then
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
February 18 2011 13:18 GMT
#429
I guess it's possible Torch was trolling us when he said I was applying, but I was really looking foreward to Torch casting. It's actually a bigger letdown for me then Kelly was in the first place.
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enzym
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany1034 Posts
February 18 2011 13:26 GMT
#430
On February 18 2011 22:05 Cathasaigh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 21:58 12elentless wrote:
b) I do think that while her English in the aforementioned video was to be perfectly honest, atrocious, I don't think that one video can be a full demonstration of her ability/or lack of ability in speaking english.


There are quite a few videos of her English being extremely hard to understand, not just 1.

Before being able to understand what anybody says comes being able to follow that person at all and for that person to have a bearable voice at all.

Kelly fails at having a bearable voice, speaking in a manner that makes it possible to follow her at all without having to seriously concentrate on it, at speaking understandable english, she fails at working with her co-caster as she frequently talks over them, and she also lacks game knowledge.

People wouldn't be so outraged if they didn't care about the GSL (but they do) and if Kelly was only lacking in one of those departments (but she isn't). On top of that she also shrugged criticism off by calling us "trolls" and "haters" (source: 1, 2, 3).
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Sanjuro
Profile Joined November 2010
Indonesia252 Posts
February 18 2011 13:28 GMT
#431
im sure GOM and Tastosis can polish her up guys, give her a chance. Just think of it this way, if it goes sour there will lots of Tastosis and Kelly meme to laugh about. (just think about the GoM forum troll Id's thats will spring up , and im sure GOM has accent/intonation coaches or something, just give her a chance to cast the Code A matches 1st.
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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
February 18 2011 13:29 GMT
#432
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 15:34:23
February 18 2011 13:32 GMT
#433
On February 18 2011 21:58 12elentless wrote:
Couple of things I guess I want to point out if we haven't done so already:

a) Kelly IS relatively speaking, more experienced than most of us. If any of you guys have actually tournament casting experience, and applied, perhaps it's just unfortunate that it didn't work out. And we have to consider, this is exactly like a job application: you have a resume, and for the most part, employers have to work off that, and perhaps a cover letter + interview. By the looks it, her commentating resume, is a lot more accomplished than ours (whether by virtue of skill or not.).

b) I do think that while her English in the aforementioned video was to be perfectly honest, atrocious, I don't think that one video can be a full demonstration of her ability/or lack of ability in speaking english. If you go to her youtube site, and watched her latest commentary of a SC2 tournament game, her english is understandable, and not at all as bad as it was in the video. That's not saying though, that there isn't room for improvement (both in how much she speaks in general and interacting with her partner in casting). But I just want to point out that she can speak english, and doesn't sound like gibberish all the time.

c) If you give up on Code A, because of the caster, that's also a bit of a reflection on how much you value a caster. To be frank, for me, it's not that big of a deal. Oftentimes, we comment the games for ourselves because we think we know what's going on more than the commentator (and in this case, it's easy to convince ourselves of that, since sometimes, casters can totally miss something that we totally saw, and we're going WTF!?), but casters are human as much as we are.

d) Perhaps more important than the previous point, do we actually have any access to knowing who the candidates were, what their experience in casting was, etc.? Unfortunately, we don't. GomTV has all the materials in regards to the decision. We all want to think that we do know who should and shouldn't be a caster, but unfortunately, we're not in the top dog's position. Sucky huh?
(To be perfectly honest, there's a lot of chatter about Torch having been a candidate, but I have no idea whether that's true or not. Do you?)

e) last but not least, by the announcement by GomTV, it looks like this is NOT at all a permanent decision, and in some sense, it may encourage other casters who want this position to come out if they think that the situation is that bad. We have yet to see. There could be changes sooner than we think if the outcry (based on this thread alone) is that significant to the interest in Code A.

tl;dr, her resume is better than most, the video is only ONE reflection of her inability to speak english, how much do you value a commentator for your games?, how do we know that there was any candidates better if we don't have GomTV's applicant list, and it's not at all a permanent decision based off what they've said.

Peace.


I should touch base on some of the points because there are inconsistencies as I've mentioned in the other thread.

1) On paper, yes her CV and locale is great. It shows she is an avid, competitive gamer with some casting experience. However, once you start watching many people find it unbearable (the people that have came to her aid, are usually from the SEA region-- they are accustomed to her). Locale, locale, locale.

Yes, she's within close proximity. However, her English is very broken and you can blame it on whatever the heck you want; geographic location, etc.

This isn't the first rodeo GOM had to endure. In fact, they hired lilsusie not to long ago. When she started with GOM her knowledge came from watching the game. Not playing it. Her CV wasn't based off experience from playing at a professional level, but from her involvement within the community and the fact she was an avid watcher.

Yes, she had a great understanding as she's been part of this community for years. No problems when it comes to listening to her on the mike.

This is where GOM screwed up the most. It's not hard (at least not for me) to write a good cover letter and even then, lots of people can help you with that. If you base a job where the basic duties comes down to public speaking, you should at least interview the candidates over the phone and give them a trail. That is only one example. You cannot base it off of a person's CV alone. CVs and cover letters are what get your foot in the door. I would be shocked if they didn't go to Dan and Nick and ask them what they thought of Kelly's casting abilities prior to giving her the job.

This tells us one of two things:

- the decision-makers English is limited and they are used to her speech
- employees like Dan and Nick weren't highly involved in the process

2 & 3) As I've said, we have a whole body of work to base it on. From the start of her casting days up to her SC2 commentaries, there has been no change. She has a lot of bad ticks and habits. The worst being, many people can hardly understand what she says. There is a difference between predicting what is happening in the game and not being able to articulate yourself properly. My only recommendation is for her to slow it the heck down and to take cues from her fellow casters. Pace yourself.

4) No idea. That is why I asked who actually submitted their application and I'm pretty sure some of those candidates probably are a little hesitant to come out of the shadows because of this. Yes, GOM has full control.

5) I already made mention to this in my earlier post. It comes off as a cop-out or damage control. Some people can take it the wrong way. For instance, for me it sounds like they are throwing her under the bus. There is no need to address it. Instead, they should have been more optimistic and stood by their decision.
FunkQue
Profile Joined October 2010
United States165 Posts
February 18 2011 13:38 GMT
#434
How do you admit that you need to improve your skills, and still get a full time job with a decent salary????

What kind of magical world do we live in?
andrewwiggin
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia435 Posts
February 18 2011 13:38 GMT
#435
On February 18 2011 22:09 me_viet wrote:
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On February 18 2011 21:19 andrewwiggin wrote:
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On February 18 2011 20:09 me_viet wrote:
In a thread like this, when I click on it, I expected

'some' flame, just natural due to poster hating on choice and prefered their own favourite casters, i've learnt to ignore those.

Well-wishers (^_^).

People with genuine concern and suggestions and expressing their opinions...

But I didnt actually expect shit stirrer like these... that just comes back to add fuel to the fire..

from axellerate
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On February 18 2011 14:27 axellerate wrote:
I quit.


On February 18 2011 14:35 axellerate wrote:
Why is my money going towards a caster that I do not enjoy watching?

I feel that most of the community feels this way and now face a dilemma.

I don't want to watch the Code A matches, half because of the obvious reasoning and the other half because I feel I should demonstrate to GOMtv that they DID mess up.

I just contributed to her salary...

Out of EVERYONE willing to cast... WHY.


On February 18 2011 14:46 axellerate wrote:
I requested a refund.

Im sorry GOM... You forced my hand...


notice he posted those...well..for no reason other than to just flame. and maybe get his post count up.


...andrewwiggins just stirring shit up, pretty much disagreeing with people who are saying to give Kelly a CHance. With absolutely minimal knowledge and overly inflated sense of entitlement.

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On February 18 2011 14:55 andrewwiggin wrote:
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On February 18 2011 14:50 Helios.Star wrote:
People are saying not to be hard on her, or to get used to it, but when is the last time you turned on an NFL or NBA game and said "Damn this guys accent is too thick to understand, I guess I'll have to watch for a few weeks and get used to it"? Or better yet during an MMA or Boxing fight on Pay-Per-View, something you need to pay for like many people, including myself, do for GSL. This reminded me of a few major universities refunding students tuition if their professors accent was too thick for them to understand, but I doubt GOM would do anything like that.


This.

I'm sick and tired of arguing with people who think that Kelly is a decent caster at all and that we should just get used to it because that's the way it is.

I have to go to ALOT of trouble to understand her at all.

And there's no way she is the best caster in all of SEA. Absolutely not.


On February 18 2011 15:00 andrewwiggin wrote:
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On February 18 2011 14:57 Energizer wrote:
Was really hoping lilsusie might head back to the spotlight once more

On the bright side, this is only for code A and really, how many games do you normally watch on that circuit? Me personally its between 5-10 tops.


Have you seen the line up for this Code A? It is going to be epic.

Well. WAS going to be epic. not so much now... =(

I just can't believe GOM thinks that just because she's a girl, the community will love her/warm up to her and disregard her total lack of ability to cast in understandable english! O_O

Does GOM really think SC2 fans are that one dimensional??



On February 18 2011 17:45 andrewwiggin wrote:
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On February 18 2011 17:31 zelah wrote:
Y'all need to quit being Huge Babies and just deal with it. I have subscribed to every season of GSL because I LOVE STARCRAFT. If you're going to let someone with an accent you don't like prevent you from watching really great games you need to reevaluate what your priorities.

GOM has made their decision, for now at least, you all need to suck it up and stop whining.


Can someone ban this guy please?

Where did you read that people were going to stop watching Code A because of Kelly? Hmm? Where did you read here that anyone here HATES starcraft? Eh?

No I didn't think so.

People said they're going to HATE watching Code A with Kelly. And if possible they will avoid it by watching a restream recast, or finding the original Korean stream or something.

Read the thread before you post.


On February 18 2011 17:59 andrewwiggin wrote:

FINEEE. I'll give her a go! -___-

But GOM better have a mad backup plan for the day after day 1 of Code A games...because if she's exactly like she is in her youtube vids, and nothing's changed...

well then.. shit's gonna hit the fan.



My response to each of those posts:
+ Show Spoiler +
1. well, i really don't have anything to say to this. lol i really don't know how to phrase all this. Because YOU have a lot of trouble listening to her the first time, you're not even going to give her a chance to improve herself. That's pretty douche-y
Second part; It's not a question of wether she's the best caster, but she's the best one willing to put in the commitment to travel to Korea. Also, 'best' is an OPINION. I might think PsyStarcraft is the best caster while others will say day9.

2. Wtf man, if you hate her casting that much when the games roll around put her on mute. No one's going to care. if not go watch the korean stream. Or stream it yourself. As good as Tastosis is, I rather they want to cast it then them doing it halfheartedly.
second part; Who are you to think you know why Gom chose KellyMilkies JUST BECAUSE she's a girl? It may have been one of the reason, but it WOULD NOT have been the only reason. If they just wanted a girl to cast, they could've just hired any model/caster in kroea and save no cost. No, they're flying some one in JUST to cast for us.

3. You should follow your own advice here.

4."FINEEEE. I'll give her a go! -___-" --> wat. the. fuck. over inflated sense of importance much? I personally don't care wether you watch her or not. I'm sure no one else here does.
"but GOM better have a mad backup plan for the day after day 1 of code A games..." --> Really? you're only going to give the girl one day to improve? Well how would you like it if on the day you're born someone comes in and say "kk, we're going to see if you deserve to live" (bit extreme..but trying to get point across).

What shit is going to hit the fan? Most people here are perfectly happy to give KellyMilkies at least a few weeks, many even a whole season to improve.


Those were just some of the posters i've noticed posting numerous times..

Sorry, had to vent, posters like andrewwiggins just touched a nerve somewhere...


Hm. For someone who writes alot, you don't really address anyone's concerns. You're as much of a flamer as anyone here buddy.

Absolutely nothing of what you said will help Kelly suddenly speak english better.

If I decide to pay for GOM streaming, then I obviously feel entitled to UNDERSTAND what I'm watching. Am I wrong?

And yes. One day is all she deserves. Because if in that first day, she still casts like she did in that DOTA tournament that I just streamed off youtube, then HOW exactly do you figure she'll suddenly improve to perfectly understandable english? Hmmm?

And seriously. What's with the analogy ... someone asking whether i deserve to live or die? Are you serious? Wtf is that about.

Sorry but, posters like you don't really think before you write. People have legitimate concerns about being able to understand and enjoy what's looking to be one of the best Code A match lineups since the beginning of the GSL. And you're telling me.. what.

To be grateful that they didn't hire a model from Korea to be caster?


I don't even understand you at all... O_O

EDIT: Before you call people out for stirring shit up, really think about whether maybe this is actually something important to them. That maybe, just maaaybe, they care about the e-sports scene and e-sports image. That just maybe, they want Starcraft 2 to succeed on an international scale. That just MAYBE ... they're looking out for the game that they've loved since they were kids.

Think about that. Douche.


lol. k mister wiggins. You mute/turn off code A.

But please stop trying to convince everyone else to share in your misery of missing out on the awesome foreigner games that will be Code A.

If people want to check, click on andrewwiggins profile and you'll see that ALL his posts in this thread and there's quite a few, have been to argue with others who are trying to give kellymilkies a chance naming the multitude of reason. But our friend here refuses to be swayed and insists on making OUR experience as less enjoyable as his.


Lol. You're acting like I'm the only person who doesn't want Kelly to be a code a caster. Don't be a child. You want to ignore the other hundreds of posters on TL who don't agree with GOMs decision, go ahead.

And yes, if you click on my profile, you'll see I'm quite anti Kelly. I posted once... And then people like you responded with:
- get used to it
- then don't watch code a
- it's her microphone
- it's easy to understand her
- but she's a nice person
- gom chose her, it must have been for a good reason, get over it
- she'll get 100 times better, you just have to wait the whole season

And it's excuses like that forced me to respond. Because they're quite pitiful excuses/reasoning.

Oh. And here's the funniest bit. Not once have I seen the excuse "but she's an incredible caster!"...
Usul.775
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore115 Posts
February 18 2011 13:40 GMT
#436
That said, Kelly will probably act upon this critcism and improve her pronounciation.


Looks like she will take these criticisms into account:

http://www.esfiworld.com/feature/kellymilkies-teams-tastosis-i-am-ready-improve-infinitely-caster
"I don't care bear, I only care beer" CellaWeRRa / sc2sea.com
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11806 Posts
February 18 2011 13:40 GMT
#437
I've never really had any problems understanding her. English is my second language. She seems like a good choice on paper. Near Korea, good play skills showed by tournament results. Experience in casting/playing many games at high level.

I look forward to seeing how it goes, seems promising to me.
VampireLady
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands283 Posts
February 18 2011 13:43 GMT
#438
I don't get it.. people keep talking about her awkward voice.. but honestly that is not the only thing which is unwanted. Her knowledge of the game is very bad.. she is a platinum player and that kind of worries me.

Based on what do they hire her? Can't be her voice or her knowledge..

Also, people who say that people overvalue casters too much that is just ridiculous comment. People want to be entertained and led into a game with the knowledge of the casters as well as their point of view. Therefor it is quite important one has entertainment, knowledge and a pleasant voice to listen to. All of which seem to be nonexistent in this case. So really why?
Eat me
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
February 18 2011 13:44 GMT
#439
Wow, if I were KellyMILKIES I would not be confident about my future at GOM from the wording of that announcement.
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 13:49:39
February 18 2011 13:47 GMT
#440
Suna,

Before you can even critique her on that you have to base it on the foundation of casting. Which is speech. I can see why some people aren't bothered by it especially when English is their second language or they, themselves have thick accents as well. There are valid reasons why she's casted many SEA events. I, myself have dealt with many refugees and new people to Canada on a regular basis. Kelly is an extraordinary case. She is a very persistent girl. I wish her the best.
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