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On January 28 2011 16:43 Bijan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2011 16:06 TheHunksta wrote:
Wow, I had no clue that Blizz was trying to force OGN/MBC to force switch to SC2....fucking hell no wonder they didn't budge o.o
This story is such a back n forth on who's side to be on, this is absolutely unreal. Well the article did say that they want blizzard to elaborate on that point. The term transition can be interpreted in a few ways. Its possible they just want them to incorporate SC2 into their broadcasting (not necessarily remove BW).
Reason is not allowed in Blizzard vs KeSPA type of threads.
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On January 28 2011 16:43 Bijan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2011 16:06 TheHunksta wrote:
Wow, I had no clue that Blizz was trying to force OGN/MBC to force switch to SC2....fucking hell no wonder they didn't budge o.o
This story is such a back n forth on who's side to be on, this is absolutely unreal. Well the article did say that they want blizzard to elaborate on that point. The term transition can be interpreted in a few ways. Its possible they just want them to incorporate SC2 into their broadcasting (not necessarily remove BW).
The korean word i translated as "Transition" can also be conservatively translated as "Switch over"/change etc.
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Well props for gretech for getting the rights properly.
I don't blame Blizzard for being a little annoyed about SC2 being shown on TV for profit (to OGN and MBCgame), but dude, they need to get over that asap and strike a deal to promote that on tv.
That or gretech's going to be getting a heck of a lot more ad revenue, like, fast.
Also, they're sueing for 350,000,000won?? Thats only $350,000, probably chump change to those big companies. Thats like 1/25,000th of one month of their WOW income revenue.
Either way i hope the outcome = more sc2 playing on the screen on the treadmill at my gym in korea lol
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I am really interested in seeing how this turns out. Hopefully we, the viewers and fans, don't get screwed.
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can't they just smoke a joint or something and get along  ?
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On January 28 2011 17:02 SmoKim wrote:can't they just smoke a joint or something and get along ?
No sir, you WILL play sc2 and you WILL enjoy it...or else.
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lol blizzard. i'll like to see how they explain themselves...
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On January 28 2011 17:47 aimaimaim wrote:
srsly .. what damages?
terrible terrible damage!
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zzz
I wish both sides would gather all things & make all requests at once so it's not delayed another fucking 2 months every time. I swear, there's gonna be stuff brought up in the 3rd case that very well could have been brought up today just to delay it more. I realize it's the nature of court cases, but I just hope Blizz has the patience not to ask for an injunction to stop broadcasting until the lawsuit is over in response to constant delays. Then we'd all be boned the longer it takes.
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On January 28 2011 17:53 SmoKim wrote:terrible terrible damage!
lol I know it's just how this law stuff works, but I think its ridiculous that Blizzard can somehow claim they were damaged by Starcraft being broadcasted on TV.
Let's forget about the fact that every man woman and children has heard of Starcraft in Korea.
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On January 28 2011 17:58 xBillehx wrote:
zzz
I wish both sides would gather all things & make all requests at once so it's not delayed another fucking 2 months every time. I swear, there's gonna be stuff brought up in the 3rd case that very well could have been brought up today just to delay it more. I realize it's the nature of court cases, but I just hope Blizz has the patience not to ask for an injunction to stop broadcasting until the lawsuit is over in response to constant delays. Then we'd all be boned the longer it takes.
No, this is good. The longer they drag it out, the longer we can watch BW without fucking Blizzard interference.
Looks like MBC/OGN are challenging *everything* from whether Gretech has rights to sue to whether they even infringed on any copyrights. GOGOGOGOGO
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I still don't get why the fuck blizzard cares
there's no money to be made
the only thing that could eventually happen while OGN and MBC broadcasting SC2 is increasing SC2 sales and popularity.
oh wait bowder said it :"its for the good of esports"
:D
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On January 28 2011 16:57 prodikl wrote:
Well props for gretech for getting the rights properly.
I don't blame Blizzard for being a little annoyed about SC2 being shown on TV for profit (to OGN and MBCgame), but dude, they need to get over that asap and strike a deal to promote that on tv.
That or gretech's going to be getting a heck of a lot more ad revenue, like, fast.
Good to know that you have no idea what they talk about... Its about SC1 not SC2...
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Milkis wrote:
The key point of the trial was related to who the damages would be paid to, the duration of the damages, and the compensation. This is because even though Gretech only got a license on May, Blizzard and Gretech both requested compensation from damages. In response, the Judges ordered that the damages be split between the prosecuting parties [3], and that they recalculate the amount requested and the duration of the damages and then resubmit the damages.
Rather interesting part. I wonder how would they calculate damages? Will it be the lost broadcasting fees from the start of SC1? Or from the time of Gretech Blizzard deal? It would be rather interesting if MBC and OGN would ask for blizzard to give out information about its sales of SC1 in korea (not the highly manipulated number Blizzard said in one of the interviews) so they can compare it with their time of broadcasts and if it influenced it or not.
and another also..
Milkis wrote:
The judge also ordered the prosecution to prove the fact that defendants had violated IP rights.
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Milkis wrote:
...judges also requested that Blizzard submit any precedent cases regarding IP rights violations in America that is related...
Kind of like it. Looks like the judge has a backbone compared to the US judges and we will finally have some non-controversial verdict regarding IP rights.
The part i dont like it is the second part. Asking for a American IP precedence cases is rather bad. I think most people heard about some rather hilarious verdicts of American courts regarding IP rights... not to mention that some of those verdicts were announced by judges that were miss-informed by persecuting layers...
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The defendants also pointed out that the English contracts included an article about a transition [4] from Starcraft to Starcraft 2, and requested that the prosecution explain themselves. The judges also ordered that this happen.
If it is true than this would be a nail to the coffin of this case (not talking about fan rage here). It would mean that there are differences between a contract in english and korean which should be exactly the same (since either english or korean version should be translation of the other one). If it was true judge could dismiss the whole case due to illegality of such a contract cause this wouldnt be a simple translation error in contract but omitting a part of contract in the translated version.
Oh im neither die hard SC2 or SC1 fanatic.
I absolutely enjoy low number engagement in SC2 but hate 200/200 army fights (prefer them in BW)
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On January 28 2011 18:30 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote + Milkis wrote:
The key point of the trial was related to who the damages would be paid to, the duration of the damages, and the compensation. This is because even though Gretech only got a license on May, Blizzard and Gretech both requested compensation from damages. In response, the Judges ordered that the damages be split between the prosecuting parties [3], and that they recalculate the amount requested and the duration of the damages and then resubmit the damages. Rather interesting part. I wonder how would they calculate damages? Will it be the lost broadcasting fees from the start of SC1? Or from the time of Gretech Blizzard deal? It would be rather interesting if MBC and OGN would ask for blizzard to give out information about its sales of SC1 in korea (not the highly manipulated number Blizzard said in one of the interviews) so they can compare it with their time of broadcasts and if it influenced it or not. and another also..
Blizzard Gretech already requested 350,000,000 won, which honestly isn't THAT much. My guess from the original article is that MBC requested to see why Blizzard wants be involved when they sold the rights to Gretech.
On January 28 2011 18:30 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +Milkis wrote:
The judge also ordered the prosecution to prove the fact that defendants had violated IP rights.
and Show nested quote +Milkis wrote:
...judges also requested that Blizzard submit any precedent cases regarding IP rights violations in America that is related...
Kind of like it. Looks like the judge has a backbone compared to the US judges and we will finally have some non-controversial verdict regarding IP rights. The part i dont like it is the second part. Asking for a American IP precedence cases is rather bad. I think most people heard about some rather hilarious verdicts of American courts regarding IP rights... not to mention that some of those verdicts were announced by judges that were miss-informed by persecuting layers...
I'm pretty sure this is just for reference, Korea uses civil law, not common law. Precedents have little meanings on judge's decision.
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Well, there already is precedent in the previous Blizzard vs KeSPA case where Blizzard lost. Now Blizzard is using a proxy to do their bidding but looks like it's not going well for them.
On a related note, an article posted after the litigation one on FOMOS:
http://fomos.co.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=114592&db=issue
Some BS about a video interview with Dustin "WHAT'S COOOOOOOOL" Browden on new mini-games for SC2... [SC2 articles not worth translating...]
The most interesting part of this article are the replies. To paraphrase most of them:
[LOLwut?]
[FAIL]
[FIX THE F*CKING GAME FIRST]
[Desperation!!!!]
[SC2 FAILED GAME. AHAHAHHAHAHA!!!...]
Funny how FOMOS started very enthusiastic about SC2 but now has turned extreme anti. The only place left pro-SC2 in Korea is playXP. Slowly but surely that place is turning too. Bad game is just bad.
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http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=39412
Although Daily esports hates blizzard, apparently "transition" was the right word to use. According to this article, Blizzard and Gretech has been actively trying to shut down SC1 league in order to make SC2 leagues.
EDIT: It's probably really one-sided story, Daily esports has been known to support Kespa, but interesting development regardless.
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On January 28 2011 18:48 scion wrote:http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=39412Although Daily esports hates blizzard, apparently "transition" was the right word to use. According to this article, Blizzard and Gretech has been actively trying to shut down SC1 league in order to make SC2 leagues. EDIT: It's probably really one-sided story, Daily esports has been known to support Kespa, but interesting development regardless.
If it's clearly biased you can better not post it, it will only end up in a flame war towards Blizzard anyway.
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Actual wording according to the article:
Transition to StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty : Organizer will use its best efforts to make smooth transition from Starcraft I to Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty and its expansions("Starcraft2") and to make smooth transition of professional players from Starcraft 1 to Starcraft 2 from the time Starcraft 2 becoms [sic] available for play.
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On January 28 2011 18:57 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2011 18:48 scion wrote:http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=39412Although Daily esports hates blizzard, apparently "transition" was the right word to use. According to this article, Blizzard and Gretech has been actively trying to shut down SC1 league in order to make SC2 leagues. EDIT: It's probably really one-sided story, Daily esports has been known to support Kespa, but interesting development regardless. If it's clearly biased you can better not post it, it will only end up in a flame war towards Blizzard anyway.
I read it. Not biased at all. The only thing that can be construed "biased" in the article is it links the previous unreasonable demands made by Gretech in their negotiations with OGN/MBC with the "transition" clause in the Gretech-Blizzard contract.
It also repeats the OGN/MBC position that,
1. Gretech has no right to sue for damages before they signed the Blizzard-Gretech contract last May.
2. Since Blizzard-Gretech never planned a SC/BW league or competition, they have no grounds for damages because SC/BW doesn't compete directly with GSL.
From the article on Daily e-Sports, the English wording in the contract: Transition to StarCraft II: Wings of Liberty : Organizer will use its best efforts to make smooth transition from Starcraft I to Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty and its expansions("Starcraft2") and to make smooth transition of professional players from Starcraft 1 to Starcraft 2 from the time Starcraft 2 becomes available for play.
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