there will be spoilers here. if you finish reading this, I'll be very proud ~
Q: Your thoughts on attending Blizzcon this year? Fruitdealer: This is my first time attending this type of event. I never thought there would be so many people, and the spectators' intensity level is high, which is helping amp me up as well. Boxer: The tickets are very expensive, but they still sold out very fast. I envy this type of gaming culture. I saw others being able to play matches outside of Korea for WCG, and now I get to play a match in a foreign country as well. Even though I lost, a lot of fans came to support me and cheer me on after the match. If I get the opportunity, I hope I can play against even more opponents.
Q: Thoughts on yesterday's game? Boxer: The journey here was very long, so in order to make up for the jetlag I didn't practice. I saw Fruitdealer practicing and I realized he wasn't using his full strength. He seemingly didn't play properly in his games in order to conceal his true power. Even though I wen tall out, I still lost. But I think for me this was a good learning experience. Fruitdealer: My condition wasn't so great either yesterday. I practiced in America, but my probability of winning wasn't even 30% in my opinion. But in the game, I got very lucky, so the result was good. Also, I got to play the Boxer who I respect so much, so I had to play hard against him.
Q: Yesterday, you (Fruitdealer) receivd Blizzard's gift of a fruit mascot. Fruitdealer: I have no words to describe the feeling. I've lost a lot of gifts in the past, but I will make sure to treasure this one.
On October 25 2010 05:57 lazyfeet wrote:
I think that is the gift or part of it.
Q: Boxer, what's the difference between BW and SC2? Boxer: BW's most interesting feature is the control: the control group keys were simply not sufficient for huge armies. In SC2, aside from this, everything else is pretty interesting. On top of that, the intellect required is much higher.
Q: When did you (Boxer) decide to switch to SC2, and when did you start practicing? Boxer: After the SPL finals ended, I started preparing to switch to SC2. I hadn't been able to play for a long time, about 1 and a half years I think. I'm really sorry to everyone for that. I saw fans change over to SC2 one by one. I entered the coaching staff, but seeing an end to my progaming career was just distressing to me, and I didn't know how to choose. But since there were so many fans waiting to see me play, and I still wanted to be a progamer, I decided to switch.
Q: Since you're (Boxer) a historic icon of eSports, was the burden great? Boxer: Very great. So I could only announce my participation in GSL the day before the prelims. Delaying the announcement to the limit also delayed the chaos for a few days.
Q: In SC2, you're also performing very well, what's the biggest advantage BW gamers get from transitioning to SC2? Boxer: In War3, you stop worker production, but in BW, the worker flow pretty much doesn't stop, so the advantage is great. [T/N ty Entropic] Fruitdealer: BW gamers should become accustomed to SC2 faster.
Q: Because SC2 was the reason you (Boxer) continued your gaming career, if there were no SC2 would you have stayed a coach? Boxer: SC2's release did present an excellent opportunity, and it resolved my greatest issue. I feel like it's lucky. Right now, the feeling of excitement is the same as when I first started playing BW, so I'm playing towards the same level. I'm prepared to be a progamer until I'm at least 35. For the fans, I won't just play 1 or 2 years. The longer the better.
Q: Your (Boxer) goal is to be a 30 year old progamer, how about a statement for the younger generation? Boxer: Age isn't a problem, the most important thing is self-management. As people get older, their dreams get bigger, and their perception of the near future becomes hazy. APM is also not a problem; it's one's own skill that counts.
Q: Fruitdealer, until how old do you expect to play? Fruitdealer: As long as possible, but my military service is coming up, so I'll work hard until I get my notice of military service. Once I'm discharged, if I can still catch up to the other progamers, I'll continue playing, but otherwise I'll look for another path in life.
Q: Fruitdealer, right now your SC2 popularity is much greater than in BW, how do you feel about that? Fruitdealer: Very happy. I'm ashamed to say this, but right now I'm feeling very moved. I want to take group photos or sign autographs for the fans, but I'm too shy. Also, since Blizzcon is in America, there's a language disconnect, so when the American fans talk to me I'm a little frightened. But being able to feel popularity here which I never felt back in Korea has me overjoyed.
Q: Mike Morhaime even raised your (Fruitdealer) name in the opening ceremony. Fruitdealer: I didn't see the opening ceremony, so I don't know about the situation. But the fact that he's heard of me makes me quite honored.
Q: Boxer, as a figure almost synonymous with BW's history, do you think SC2 will need a KeSPA-like association? Boxer: When I switched to SC2, I didn't have much of a goal, and I didn't even think that far. In the best case scenario, KeSPA and Blizzard actually come to a negotiation and KeSPA also takes care of SC2, but if that's impossible, the SC2 scene will have to build something up. But SC2 and BW are different; SC2 has the precedent and experience of BW, and its scene can avoid missteps. Also, the Blizzards of BW and SC2 are on totally different scales, and the funds are greater for SC2 tournaments. I think the SC2 the SC2 scene will become very huge.
Q: Did the people around you (Boxer) say disparaging words when you switched to SC2? Boxer: They didn't say it to my face, but I feel like in their hearts they might have thought it.
Q: There's been talk that you (Boxer) have joined a team, but also that you're an individual? [T/N highly unsure] Boxer: Joining a team is necessary, and I'm in the middle of considerations, but since I don't have a plan yet, there isn't much to say.
Q: Fruitdealer, people have said you don't have a lot of passion and that your games are always with one method and the same opening. Fruitdealer: It's hard to have passion while playing Zerg, actually. In defending, Zergs rarely do anything unusual. I've thought about it a lot, but anything nonstandard is simply too difficult to carry out. The talk about my out-of-game passion is probably because of my personality issues. If I do any ceremonies but end up losing, I'll be really ashamed of myself. Since I know there needs to be some passion, once I improve some more I'll consider adding ceremonies. But if I turn the tables in a losing situation, I'll definitely release all my passion.
Q: How about dancing with units, Fruitdealer? Fruitdealer: It's hard to use it in a game. It's possible once the game has ended, but the obs will not necessarily catch it. If I'm not careful and I slip up chatting, I'll definitely be warned (haha). It's only really possible while performing a baneling bust, but by that point the game is probably already over.
Q: After you return to Korea, you'll participate in the GSL Ro32 immediately. Will the travel have an effect on your play? Fruitdealer: Right now, they're doing adjustments [T/N ?] so in the 2 or 3 days before the games I'll be practicing. After I get home, even if I don't bother to fix the jetlag and I just play, it should still be fine. Boxer: If I rest one day, my condition will be much better. The Ro32 is the biggest obstacle. I get back on the 25th before dawn, so in order to fix the jetlag I'll rest a day, so I only get one day to practice. But I feel like if I pass this obstacle, I'll obtain success.
Q: How much do you practice per day? Boxer: 30+ games. I have to concentrate my energy in each game. Fruitdealer: I think that it doesn't matter how much I play so long as I play each game well. I usually play 20-30 games or so, though.
Q: Do you two want to meet in the GSL finals? Boxer: In this exhibition, I went all out, but I still lost 0-2. If I had prepared better, I feel like the outcome would have been different. Next time, if I have the chance, I'll prepare fully. Fruitdealer: Yesterday I won, but if we meet in the GSL, I'll have a lot of pressure. Even though I don't want to face Boxer again, if we meet in the finals, it'll definitely be a great match. It would be the talk of the town in the eSports scene.
Q: How do you view the recent patches? Boxer: I'm very weird, in every patch it's the units I love to use that are nerfed. Before, I liked to use tanks, and now they are nerfed. I also liked 3rax, but that strategy was nerfed. More unsettling is that not only was Terran nerfed, Zerg was buffed. I spent two hours writing a letter to David Kim (dayvie). Every time, the new patches are hard to adjust to, so I hope in the future the changes aren't cataclysmic. Fruitdealer: In terms of Zerg, aside from defense, right now playing is more comfortable due to less early problems. But it seems that the special aspects of SC2 have been decreasing. Even though I'm doing well, other players might consider it bad.
Q: Have you (Fruitdealer) written to Blizzard before? Fruitdealer: I haven't, but Check and David Kim (dayvie) are familiar with each other. I saw Check send a lot of emails to David Kim. It's possible he's part of the reason Zerg has been getting buffs.
Q: And you, Boxer? Boxer: Every time a certain Zerg sends emails to Blizzard, it's always reps in which they lose. I think we Terrans should unite as well and send some losing reps.
Q: Is that Zerg Check? Boxer: Yep. (haha)
Q: How did you (Fruitdealer) spend your first prize money? Fruitdealer: I haven't even received the prize money yet, but perhaps that's a good thing. Recently there have been a lot of people calling me. Once I get the money, I'll send it to my parents. We'll discuss together how to spend it. Also, now that Zerg is stronger, there are people saying a Zerg will win it all again, but to me the Ro32 is a great barrier. If I can cross this barrier, I'll be confident I can perform the rest of the way.
Q. Your tactics are available for all to see online. Does that have a large impact on your practices? What would you like see Blizzard change/improve? Boxer: I have heard that Blizzard has been working very hard to fix this issue, and since they are working very hard, I think all we have to do is be patient and wait. But I am a bit dissatisfied with unit groupings and control. A lot of times when I am using a smurf account so that no one will know who I am, I still get recognized because of my unit groupings and control. Having too good of a game UI is a problem. I think making the UI a bit worse would be nice. (laughs) [T/N: It's more unit grouping than unit control but the vocabulary has sense of both.] [T/N all credit to TanGeng for fixing up this passage for me]
Q: Many people say you (Boxer) should help cultivate a 2nd or 3rd Boxer. Right now, in SC2, do you think there are any gamers that can be another Boxer? Boxer: I haven't switched for that long, so I'm not so clear on it. If there were more positions, my pressure to switch would have been reduced. [T/N unsure]
Q: Any final remarks? [T/N FINALLY OMGFMGKJ] Boxer: I hope there can be more global tournaments. If next time I get another opportunity to participate in Blizzcon, I hope it won't conflict with another competition. I intend to bring my full condition to the next game. Fruitdealer: Nothing to say (-o-)
That was really long. Thanks for putting all that work into it! Questions, though: T/N = ??
And:
Q: Fruitdealer, people have said you don't have a lot of passion and that your games are always with one method and the same opening. Fruitdealer: It's hard to have passion while playing Zerg, actually. In defending, Zergs rarely do anything unusual. I've thought about it a lot, but anything nonstandard is simply too difficult to carry out. The talk about my out-of-game passion is probably because of my personality issues. If I do any ceremonies but end up losing, I'll be really ashamed of myself. Since I know there needs to be some passion, once I improve some more I'll consider adding ceremonies. But if I turn the tables in a losing situation, I'll definitely release all my passion.
On October 25 2010 05:30 infinitestory wrote: Q: How do you view the recent patches? Boxer: I'm very weird, in every patch it's the units I love to use that are nerfed. Before, I liked to use tanks, and now they are nerfed. I also liked 3rax, but that strategy was nerfed. More unsettling is that not only was Terran nerfed, Zerg was buffed. I spent two hours writing a letter to David Kim (dayvie). Every time, the new patches are hard to adjust to, so I hope in the future the changes aren't cataclysmic. Fruitdealer: In terms of Zerg, aside from defense, right now playing is more comfortable due to less early problems. But it seems that the special aspects of SC2 have been decreasing. Even though I'm doing well, other players might consider it bad.
interesting thats how boxer feels.
On October 25 2010 05:53 Senx wrote: David Kim needs to listen to Slayers Boxer.
Q: Fruitdealer, people have said you don't have a lot of passion and that your games are always with one method and the same opening. Fruitdealer: It's hard to have passion while playing Zerg, actually. In defending, Zergs rarely do anything unusual. I've thought about it a lot, but anything nonstandard is simply too difficult to carry out. The talk about my out-of-game passion is probably because of my personality issues. If I do any ceremonies but end up losing, I'll be really ashamed of myself. Since I know there needs to be some passion, once I improve some more I'll consider adding ceremonies. But if I turn the tables in a losing situation, I'll definitely release all my passion.
...what? What's going on here? Passion?
T/N means Translator's Note, basically something that I'm saying rather than the interviewer, Boxer, or Fruitdealer
Also, the "passion" seems to refer to a progamer's personality. In the old BW days, some progamers *cough*FBH*cough* had ceremonies they performed when they were winning, ranging from leaning back and taking the hands off the keyboard to running around the stage with only underwear on. Apparently, people want to see Fruitdealer perform ceremonies as well in addition to varying his style.
EDIT:
On October 25 2010 05:51 Weavel wrote: Amazing work infinitestory! How long did it take to translate the whole thing. Great interview too.
Q: Strategies can all be read online, so does that have an impact on practice? Do you hope Blizzard will improve on that? [T/N unsure] Boxer: There's been talk that Blizzard has been working hard all along to fix this issue. Since they're working to resolve it, we can only wait. There's another point regarding control which is unsatisfying. Often, using a smurf online is for the purpose of not letting others know who you are, so as a result control methods have been discovered. The game system being too good is also a problem; it should be switched to a worse one. (haha) [T/N this whole response is full of things I'm not clear on]
They're talking about match history on Bnet..if anyone didn't understand fully.
Tnx for translation, both guys seems genuinely nice and I look forward to both of there matches, great stuff. Was quite impressed with both of there plays in the show match.
On October 25 2010 05:40 AyJay wrote: Boxer complaining about balance
Disappoint
The thing is that this game is still in its early stages and will most likely have to undergo the trials faced with SC1. There are also a few expansions to be made for SC2 so by "complaining" as you so simply put it, Boxer is letting them know from the viewpoint of a progamer that there are issues that need to be dealt with as the game is developed. If any complaints about balance are to be had, they should be had now as even Blizzard is fully aware that the game isn't entirely balanced. This is precisely the reason why they are so open to suggestions. So sir, to you I am dissapoint.
I think boxer's right about the patches being somewhat hard to adjust. I love zerg and the roach buff was awesome but the supply before rax changed alot of terran gameplay and just before a big tournament.
Great interview, good read. Thanks for translating!
On October 25 2010 06:31 Silentness wrote: lol Boxer himself admits that SC2 isn't as hard as BW.
Controlling 12 units at max in Brood War was pretty frustrating.
He said the unit control is easier because of no unit limit in controlgroups. And then followed by saying sc2 requires more "intellect". And you translate that into him saying SC2 isn't as hard as BW.
Yes, easier in certain aspects, harder in others (according to boxer)
Q: Have you (Fruitdealer) written to Blizzard before? Fruitdealer: I haven't, but Check and David Kim (dayvie) are familiar with each other. I saw Check send a lot of emails to David Kim. It's possible he's part of the reason Zerg has been getting buffs.
Q: And you, Boxer? Boxer: Every time a certain Zerg sends emails to Blizzard, it's always reps in which they lose. I think we Terrans should unite as well and send some losing reps.
Q: Is that Zerg Check? Boxer: Yep. (haha)
Time to get out the pitchforks and hunt down check
On October 25 2010 06:50 javy925 wrote: Q: Have you (Fruitdealer) written to Blizzard before? Fruitdealer: I haven't, but Check and David Kim (dayvie) are familiar with each other. I saw Check send a lot of emails to David Kim. It's possible he's part of the reason Zerg has been getting buffs.
Q: And you, Boxer? Boxer: Every time a certain Zerg sends emails to Blizzard, it's always reps in which they lose. I think we Terrans should unite as well and send some losing reps.
Q: Is that Zerg Check? Boxer: Yep. (haha)
Time to get out the pitchforks and hunt down check
more like gotta tell check all about the units that havnt been buffed recently, so he can mail them some help too
That was a serious translation undertaking, infinitestory. Awesome work.
Quite an interesting read, as well. Boxer sounds quite hurt over TvZ. I can't say I'd feel differently in his place, honestly. I wonder how much influence he has.
Hm I'm still wondering when (and if...?) Fruitdealer will receive his money, he's been asked how he is going to spend it quite frequently, but he still hasn't received it...is it normal that it takes that long for the prize pool to be ..send.. to the winners, or is there something fishy going on? :O
Awesome interview! Probably the most in-depth one I've read regarding high-level SC2 players (and Boxer!!). Thanks a ton for translating this, it was great!
Thx a lot for the translation, Great Interview. GO GO CHECKPrime Zerg needs some more buffs, keep sending Blizzard those lovely letters (Im Just Kidding). That thing about Check is interesting, sort of.
I hope FruitDealer can deal his fruit for at least 3 more years before he got called to military service. And I want a rematch between FD v Boxer. In the GSL final, preferrably ^^
On October 25 2010 06:33 prototype. wrote: It seems like in every interview i read of fruitdealer, he hasn't received his prize money yet.
Well, you'll know when he will receive it, he will be wearing some serious bling bling, 1 golden and 1 diamond chains on his neck, 2 golden watches, a big pimp hat, 2 golden teeth and, of course, will have Idra and Artosis as his biatches dressed in pink. You can't miss it.
Q: In SC2, you're also performing very well, what's the biggest advantage BW gamers get from transitioning to SC2? Boxer: In War3, the workers can stop, but in BW, the workers pertty much don't stop, so the advantage is great.
I feel like I'm missing something here. What does he mean the workers can stop? Anyone?
Q: Fruitdealer, people have said you don't have a lot of passion and that your games are always with one method and the same opening. Fruitdealer: It's hard to have passion while playing Zerg, actually. In defending, Zergs rarely do anything unusual. I've thought about it a lot, but anything nonstandard is simply too difficult to carry out. The talk about my out-of-game passion is probably because of my personality issues. If I do any ceremonies but end up losing, I'll be really ashamed of myself. Since I know there needs to be some passion, once I improve some more I'll consider adding ceremonies. But if I turn the tables in a losing situation, I'll definitely release all my passion.
???? Can't he just do his ceremonies after winning like everyone else?
Q: In SC2, you're also performing very well, what's the biggest advantage BW gamers get from transitioning to SC2? Boxer: In War3, the workers can stop, but in BW, the workers pertty much don't stop, so the advantage is great.
I feel like I'm missing something here. What does he mean the workers can stop? Anyone?
I think OP mistranlated there. I think he means 'worker production' -> macro
Q: In SC2, you're also performing very well, what's the biggest advantage BW gamers get from transitioning to SC2? Boxer: In War3, the workers can stop, but in BW, the workers pertty much don't stop, so the advantage is great.
I feel like I'm missing something here. What does he mean the workers can stop? Anyone?
Q: Fruitdealer, people have said you don't have a lot of passion and that your games are always with one method and the same opening. Fruitdealer: It's hard to have passion while playing Zerg, actually. In defending, Zergs rarely do anything unusual. I've thought about it a lot, but anything nonstandard is simply too difficult to carry out. The talk about my out-of-game passion is probably because of my personality issues. If I do any ceremonies but end up losing, I'll be really ashamed of myself. Since I know there needs to be some passion, once I improve some more I'll consider adding ceremonies. But if I turn the tables in a losing situation, I'll definitely release all my passion.
???? Can't he just do his ceremonies after winning like everyone else?
1. I'll need confirmation on this, but in WC3 you have to worry about upkeep, so sometimes players will intentionally stop gathering. That might be what he means. 2. IDK, I'm not fruitdealer so I can't offer insight on that.
EDIT: also, at above, it doesn't say macro (which is a different term), it literally says the gatherers will stop.
Q: In SC2, you're also performing very well, what's the biggest advantage BW gamers get from transitioning to SC2? Boxer: In War3, the workers can stop, but in BW, the workers pertty much don't stop, so the advantage is great.
I feel like I'm missing something here. What does he mean the workers can stop? Anyone?
Q: Fruitdealer, people have said you don't have a lot of passion and that your games are always with one method and the same opening. Fruitdealer: It's hard to have passion while playing Zerg, actually. In defending, Zergs rarely do anything unusual. I've thought about it a lot, but anything nonstandard is simply too difficult to carry out. The talk about my out-of-game passion is probably because of my personality issues. If I do any ceremonies but end up losing, I'll be really ashamed of myself. Since I know there needs to be some passion, once I improve some more I'll consider adding ceremonies. But if I turn the tables in a losing situation, I'll definitely release all my passion.
???? Can't he just do his ceremonies after winning like everyone else?
1. I'll need confirmation on this, but in WC3 you have to worry about upkeep, so sometimes players will intentionally stop gathering. That might be what he means. 2. IDK, I'm not fruitdealer so I can't offer insight on that.
EDIT: also, at above, it doesn't say macro (which is a different term), it literally says the gatherers will stop.
I think he meant that in WC3 you stopped making workers (relatively early), but in SCBW and SC2 you dont really stop making workers until you have anywhere from 70-90.
Q: In SC2, you're also performing very well, what's the biggest advantage BW gamers get from transitioning to SC2? Boxer: In War3, the workers can stop, but in BW, the workers pertty much don't stop, so the advantage is great.
I feel like I'm missing something here. What does he mean the workers can stop? Anyone?
Q: Fruitdealer, people have said you don't have a lot of passion and that your games are always with one method and the same opening. Fruitdealer: It's hard to have passion while playing Zerg, actually. In defending, Zergs rarely do anything unusual. I've thought about it a lot, but anything nonstandard is simply too difficult to carry out. The talk about my out-of-game passion is probably because of my personality issues. If I do any ceremonies but end up losing, I'll be really ashamed of myself. Since I know there needs to be some passion, once I improve some more I'll consider adding ceremonies. But if I turn the tables in a losing situation, I'll definitely release all my passion.
???? Can't he just do his ceremonies after winning like everyone else?
1. I'll need confirmation on this, but in WC3 you have to worry about upkeep, so sometimes players will intentionally stop gathering. That might be what he means. 2. IDK, I'm not fruitdealer so I can't offer insight on that.
EDIT: also, at above, it doesn't say macro (which is a different term), it literally says the gatherers will stop.
I think he meant that in WC3 you stopped making workers (relatively early), but in SCBW and SC2 you dont really stop making workers until you have anywhere from 70-90.
Alright, I'll trust you on this, since I never played WC3 myself
I'm glad Boxer mentioned how difficult it is for the players to have Blizz release huge balance patches right before a big event (such as the GSL ro64). I think he's just asking for patches to either be released/announced earlier so there's time to playtest, or if the patches weren't so game-changing.
On October 25 2010 05:30 infinitestory wrote: Q: Boxer, what's the difference between BW and SC2? Boxer: BW's most interesting feature is the control: the control group keys were simply not sufficient for huge armies. In SC2, aside from this, everything else is pretty interesting. On top of that, the intellect required is much higher.
Damn, I have to write that down, to quote it in every threads where someone brings up the usual 'SC2 is BW noobed down', to show them that their once BW idol doesn't agree with them...
On October 25 2010 11:13 Sabu113 wrote: Tch. Sad Cool is feeling /more/ popular in the US than in Korea. How can you not appreciate his play and his story.
Seriously...I agree with you there. How can he not be the HomeTown Hero (TM)?
Easily one of the best translations and best interviews of the recent past. And now I suddenly feel that SC2 can actually take on BW as an E-sport after watching those 2 matches...
That was great! Nice interview and well done on the translation (I assume). I'm glad to see the stars are so well grounded. Obviously BoxeR would have to be after years in the spotlight, but Fruitdealer seems to have a good head on his shoulders as well.
On October 25 2010 05:30 infinitestory wrote: Q: Boxer, what's the difference between BW and SC2? Boxer: BW's most interesting feature is the control: the control group keys were simply not sufficient for huge armies. In SC2, aside from this, everything else is pretty interesting. On top of that, the intellect required is much higher.
Damn, I have to write that down, to quote it in every threads where someone brings up the usual 'SC2 is BW noobed down', to show them that their once BW idol doesn't agree with them...
otherwise, great interview, many thanks!
he didnt said that, he said sc2 need more brain than bw but we all know that BW need ALOT more mechanic and control
On October 25 2010 05:30 infinitestory wrote: Q: Boxer, what's the difference between BW and SC2? Boxer: BW's most interesting feature is the control: the control group keys were simply not sufficient for huge armies. In SC2, aside from this, everything else is pretty interesting. On top of that, the intellect required is much higher.
Damn, I have to write that down, to quote it in every threads where someone brings up the usual 'SC2 is BW noobed down', to show them that their once BW idol doesn't agree with them...
otherwise, great interview, many thanks!
its mechanically "noobed down." stop arguing a fact. and higher intellect is probably required because you have to compensate for not being able to mechanically overpower players like in BW. i'm sure BW would be more strategy/tactic driven as well if it had mbs etc etc
On October 25 2010 09:52 Sandster wrote: Thanks for the interview!
I'm glad Boxer mentioned how difficult it is for the players to have Blizz release huge balance patches right before a big event (such as the GSL ro64). I think he's just asking for patches to either be released/announced earlier so there's time to playtest, or if the patches weren't so game-changing.
They deliberately timed the release after the qualifiers but before the GSL RO64 because that was considered to be the least disruptive time they could do it. Blizzard also said they plan to have tournament servers that can be locked to a certain patch for the duration of an event so it will be less of a problem in the future.
Q: In SC2, you're also performing very well, what's the biggest advantage BW gamers get from transitioning to SC2? Boxer: In War3, the workers can stop, but in BW, the workers pertty much don't stop, so the advantage is great.
I feel like I'm missing something here. What does he mean the workers can stop? Anyone?
Q: Fruitdealer, people have said you don't have a lot of passion and that your games are always with one method and the same opening. Fruitdealer: It's hard to have passion while playing Zerg, actually. In defending, Zergs rarely do anything unusual. I've thought about it a lot, but anything nonstandard is simply too difficult to carry out. The talk about my out-of-game passion is probably because of my personality issues. If I do any ceremonies but end up losing, I'll be really ashamed of myself. Since I know there needs to be some passion, once I improve some more I'll consider adding ceremonies. But if I turn the tables in a losing situation, I'll definitely release all my passion.
???? Can't he just do his ceremonies after winning like everyone else?
The Wc3 thing might be that the workers slow down if you don't constantly make them move to mine( they sometimes move at "slow" instead of "average") where some people can get more gold early in the game if they have sufficient micro to do it Or it could be that they only need 5 workers on a mine at any one time or something...
That would be great if but he might not always win though
Thanks for all the work translating this interview. How can you dislike Check? I think I'm even a bigger Check fan now knowing that he at least cares enough to email dayvie instead of whining on forums.
Q: Strategies can all be read online, so does that have an impact on practice? Do you hope Blizzard will improve on that? [T/N unsure] Boxer: There's been talk that Blizzard has been working hard all along to fix this issue. Since they're working to resolve it, we can only wait. There's another point regarding control which is unsatisfying. Often, using a smurf online is for the purpose of not letting others know who you are, so as a result control methods have been discovered. The game system being too good is also a problem; it should be switched to a worse one. (haha) [T/N this whole response is full of things I'm not clear on]
They're talking specifically about the fact that build orders are viewable on battlenet, saying that you need to use a smurf account otherwise people can see the strats you've been working on.
Thanks a lot for the translation of this awesome interview.
EDIT: Looks like someone beat me to it, this has already been said.
On October 25 2010 07:32 drsnuggles wrote: Hm I'm still wondering when (and if...?) Fruitdealer will receive his money, he's been asked how he is going to spend it quite frequently, but he still hasn't received it...is it normal that it takes that long for the prize pool to be ..send.. to the winners, or is there something fishy going on? :O
Coming from the CSS scene where payments can easily take 6months+ and very often closer to a year for some tournaments, I can't see him having anything to worry about and I very highly doubt anything fishy is going on. Just takes a bit of time for things to be organized properly
On October 25 2010 07:32 drsnuggles wrote: Hm I'm still wondering when (and if...?) Fruitdealer will receive his money, he's been asked how he is going to spend it quite frequently, but he still hasn't received it...is it normal that it takes that long for the prize pool to be ..send.. to the winners, or is there something fishy going on? :O
Coming from the CSS scene where payments can easily take 6months+ and very often closer to a year for some tournaments, I can't see him having anything to worry about and I very highly doubt anything fishy is going on. Just takes a bit of time for things to be organized properly
This indeed seems to be the norm in the industry. I do not have a FPS background but a certain company still owes me money after ~2+ years after the tournament.
Q: How do you view the recent patches? Boxer: I'm very weird, in every patch it's the units I love to use that are nerfed. Before, I liked to use tanks, and now they are nerfed. I also liked 3rax, but that strategy was nerfed. More unsettling is that not only was Terran nerfed, Zerg was buffed. I spent two hours writing a letter to David Kim (dayvie). Every time, the new patches are hard to adjust to, so I hope in the future the changes aren't cataclysmic.
I respect Boxer but this is ridiculous.
Boxer is complaining about his units being nerfed, but does he ever think that maybe he loves to use them because they're so good? (good -> overpowered -> significant advantage)
I can't believe Boxer was dismayed at Z being buffed. I almost starting to think that he actually wants a TvZ imbalance like broodwar so his career can be easier.
I thought he cared about the game but you can't blame him for wanting to prioritize his career before starcraft. He was not who I thought out to be.
TLAF-Liquid'SlayerS_BoxeR ? Seriously! He probably doesn't want to hang with more koreans anyway..he is one of those western fans. Just get the damn money do make it happen!
Discussing imbalance has become tabu, and the creaters of this social tabu has always been players of the stronger race. Very few have pure intentions. Boxer is asked, and he adresses the issue. The whiners really destroy the debate, and they should be slapped. But there is still a place for open, and serious debate that has founded reasoning behind it. Boxer is a marine-medic-dropship user..and tank. Everything he has based his play on has been nerfed.. so naturally he can also see how damadging the nerft is to diverse play, while also being clouded by his style of play. It will be nice to see when terran get's out of this strategical slump, and just don't sit on their ass waiting for a buff again. People just have to wait for someone with a brain to come up with something new and crazy, as everybody loves it.. And personally, I think the game needs an exp pack before it really get's people to quit their job. Traditionally Blizzard rts games get twice as good with an exp pack. People also have to work for the win..everything can't work to well..a strategical stand still will kill the strategical developement. Some sick kid needs to see what's in front of him, and make it happen. Like boxer, and many has before.
Thank you for translating for us here at TeamLiquid that's why i love this site so much. Keep it up and no worries if there are a few thinks that did not get translated properly but the overall context is clear. Keep up translating.
On October 25 2010 23:21 lastmotion wrote: Q: How do you view the recent patches? Boxer: I'm very weird, in every patch it's the units I love to use that are nerfed. Before, I liked to use tanks, and now they are nerfed. I also liked 3rax, but that strategy was nerfed. More unsettling is that not only was Terran nerfed, Zerg was buffed. I spent two hours writing a letter to David Kim (dayvie). Every time, the new patches are hard to adjust to, so I hope in the future the changes aren't cataclysmic.
I respect Boxer but this is ridiculous.
Boxer is complaining about his units being nerfed, but does he ever think that maybe he loves to use them because they're so good? (good -> overpowered -> significant advantage)
I can't believe Boxer was dismayed at Z being buffed. I almost starting to think that he actually wants a TvZ imbalance like broodwar so his career can be easier.
I thought he cared about the game but you can't blame him for wanting to prioritize his career before starcraft. He was not who I thought out to be.
I'm pretty sure you don't respect Boxer because you're assuming you know him based on an interview. Maybe he actually likes using tanks and 3rax strategies because that was his style in BW?
Q. Your tactics are available for all to see online. Does that have a large impact on your practices? What would you like see Blizzard change/improve? Boxer: I have heard that Blizzard has been working very hard to fix this issue, and since they are working very hard, I think all we have to do is be patient and wait. But I am a bit dissatisfied with unit groupings and control. A lot of times when I am using a smurf account so that no one will know who I am, I still get recognized because of my unit groupings and control. Having too good of a game UI is a problem. I think making the UI a bit worse would be nice. (laughs) [T/N: It's more unit grouping than unit control but the vocabulary has sense of both.]
Everything else looked pretty good. Keep up the good work!!!
Q. Your tactics are available for all to see online. Does that have a large impact on your practices? What would you like see Blizzard change/improve? Boxer: I have heard that Blizzard has been working very hard to fix this issue, and since they are working very hard, I think all we have to do is be patient and wait. But I am a bit dissatisfied with unit groupings and control. A lot of times when I am using a smurf account so that no one will know who I am, I still get recognized because of my unit groupings and control. Having too good of a game UI is a problem. I think making the UI a bit worse would be nice. (laughs) [T/N: It's more unit grouping than unit control but the vocabulary has sense of both.]
Everything else looked pretty good. Keep up the good work!!!
On October 26 2010 07:32 Snowfield wrote: Check, running to tell daddy about bullies in his game
Great interview! thanks for doing this! is korean - english very hard to translate?
it was chinese -> english, where the chinese may or may not have come from another language it's not too difficult as long as you understand the basic sentence structure, but some of the particles common in written chinese are not even present in spoken chinese, which makes it tough for me (and i have to use a dictionary too, since i don't actually know many of the more obscure chinese characters)
On October 25 2010 23:21 lastmotion wrote: Q: How do you view the recent patches? Boxer: I'm very weird, in every patch it's the units I love to use that are nerfed. Before, I liked to use tanks, and now they are nerfed. I also liked 3rax, but that strategy was nerfed. More unsettling is that not only was Terran nerfed, Zerg was buffed. I spent two hours writing a letter to David Kim (dayvie). Every time, the new patches are hard to adjust to, so I hope in the future the changes aren't cataclysmic.
I respect Boxer but this is ridiculous.
Boxer is complaining about his units being nerfed, but does he ever think that maybe he loves to use them because they're so good? (good -> overpowered -> significant advantage)
I can't believe Boxer was dismayed at Z being buffed. I almost starting to think that he actually wants a TvZ imbalance like broodwar so his career can be easier.
I thought he cared about the game but you can't blame him for wanting to prioritize his career before starcraft. He was not who I thought out to be.
Yeah, but he has a point. Not only Terran was nerfed, Zerg was also buffed. So much that right now they seem overpowered, because they can expand all over the place and don't even worry about losing units as others have to worry.
In this whole Zerg vs Terran debates, I think Protoss are overlooked. If Tester has to QQ like Fruitdealer did, he should. Because Protoss has only been getting nerfs despite never being overpowered since release. It's ridiculous that so few Protoss could make it to top 8 last GSL, and it is very likely than none will make it to top 8 this GSL. If we need a famous person to say it, I hope some legendary protoss SC:BW switches, because this is ridiculous right now.
On October 25 2010 23:21 lastmotion wrote: Q: How do you view the recent patches? Boxer: I'm very weird, in every patch it's the units I love to use that are nerfed. Before, I liked to use tanks, and now they are nerfed. I also liked 3rax, but that strategy was nerfed. More unsettling is that not only was Terran nerfed, Zerg was buffed. I spent two hours writing a letter to David Kim (dayvie). Every time, the new patches are hard to adjust to, so I hope in the future the changes aren't cataclysmic.
I respect Boxer but this is ridiculous.
Boxer is complaining about his units being nerfed, but does he ever think that maybe he loves to use them because they're so good? (good -> overpowered -> significant advantage)
I can't believe Boxer was dismayed at Z being buffed. I almost starting to think that he actually wants a TvZ imbalance like broodwar so his career can be easier.
I thought he cared about the game but you can't blame him for wanting to prioritize his career before starcraft. He was not who I thought out to be.
Yeah, but he has a point. Not only Terran was nerfed, Zerg was also buffed. So much that right now they seem overpowered, because they can expand all over the place and don't even worry about losing units as others have to worry.
In this whole Zerg vs Terran debates, I think Protoss are overlooked. If Tester has to QQ like Fruitdealer did, he should. Because Protoss has only been getting nerfs despite never being overpowered since release. It's ridiculous that so few Protoss could make it to top 8 last GSL, and it is very likely than none will make it to top 8 this GSL. If we need a famous person to say it, I hope some legendary protoss SC:BW switches, because this is ridiculous right now.
I agree with what you say about Protoss and I have no doubt Protoss shouldn't have been nerfed. I am just arguing that these recent two patches' effect tend to be overexaggerated by the players who play the still-dominant race. To me, 1 ranged increased roach seems more of a change in ZvP than a ZvT. Yes, the supply before rax was a big deal cause it allowed Zergs to expand first, but its not that big of a deal if you factor in that Terrans STILL have versatility and can early expand as well.
TLDR: There needs to be a more drastic patch to fix the balance issues of ZvT
there will be spoilers here. if you finish reading this, I'll be very proud ~
Q: Your thoughts on attending Blizzcon this year? Boxer: The tickets are very expensive, but they still sold out very fast. I envy this type of gaming culture.
Q: Boxer, what's the difference between BW and SC2? Boxer: BW's most interesting feature is the control: the control group keys were simply not sufficient for huge armies. In SC2, aside from this, everything else is pretty interesting. On top of that, the intellect required is much higher.
Q: Did the people around you (Boxer) say disparaging words when you switched to SC2? Boxer: They didn't say it to my face, but I feel like in their hearts they might have thought it.
boxer boxer boxer.... how can you envy a gaming culture that preys on its participants when all the venues are free in korea?
is boxer saying the intellect required in bw or sc2 is higher? if it is sc2...... he might be losing his marbles
of course they thought it. you are stabbing BW in the back in the moment of its deepest crisis. oh sure, you want to switch because you want to keep gaming, but seriously? after the bo7 format, and all the B teamers switching, you don't think you would have had a chance playing a game in either the SL or SPL?
it's a shame, i would love to hear what people are thinking of boxer in the korean bw scene.
The interview was really good. Great responses from both, and the interviewer also did a good job of not focusing too much on either Boxer or Fruitdealer. Sad that Fruitdealer hasn't gotten the prize money when the next GSL is already started. If it's a monthly tournament, GOM should be more on top of things, especially for such a high profile task.
Q: In SC2, you're also performing very well, what's the biggest advantage BW gamers get from transitioning to SC2? Boxer: In War3, the workers can stop, but in BW, the workers pertty much don't stop, so the advantage is great.
I feel like I'm missing something here. What does he mean the workers can stop? Anyone?
yeah,in WC3 there's upkeep cap on units food, so if you have more than 50 food, your gold miner will only take 7 gold per trip but still reducing 10 from the mine (so you lost 3 gold per trip), and above 80 food you lost 6 gold per trip
so in WC3 its a good thing to keep your food count below 80, and since worker count as 1 food then its a good thing to not produce too many worker (hence stop producing worker once you have enough) totally different with BW/SC2 where you need to produce worker non stop
To bad they both had jetlag. I would have loved to see them both in top form. BoxeR would have won had they both been in top form. Jetlag affects some people much more than others.
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