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United States33392 Posts
Source: PGR21.com
Note: This is a letter aimed at the Korean community, here is the English original. The purpose of this letter seems to be to address general issues and concerns about SC II following its Korean release.
Greetings StarCraft II community,
Blizzard has always been proud of the success that the StarCraft series has achieved globally, and we’ve been especially grateful for the passionate support of our Korean players. When we set out to create StarCraft II, we knew we were taking on a monumental task: we had to not only deliver a fun and balanced game, but we also had to create something that could live up to the legacy of its predecessor in Korea and thrive in the unique gaming culture that’s evolved here over the past decade. Which brings me to why I wanted to write this letter to you today: to address some of the questions you’ve had about our decisions, our plans, and our goals for StarCraft II.
First, I’d like to touch upon the evolution of StarCraft II and Battle.net. Both are bigger, more ambitious, and more complex than their predecessors, and we’re committed to providing new features, great new content, and outstanding support for years to come. You’ve started to see some improvements already. We’ve enhanced how custom maps are sorted and viewed, and we have more upgrades planned to make it easier to enjoy a wider variety of game types. Our development teams are hard at work on developing new ladder and custom maps, and we’ll soon be unveiling several custom games made by the StarCraft II team that we think will surprise you. And while we’re confident that we’ve released one of the most balanced RTS games ever, perfect balance is a never-ending battle -- and something we will continue to strive for. We’ve constructed the new Battle.net to make it easier for us to monitor how players are playing, collect and analyze feedback, and ensure that StarCraft II remains the ultimate competitive real-time strategy game.
We’ve heard your feedback regarding public and private chat channels as well and will be adding them in an upcoming patch. We’ll also soon be introducing seasons to the StarCraft II ladder; as seasons progress, players will be able to access records of past accomplishments. Around the same time, we’ll be introducing new pro and semi-pro leagues. In addition, Battle.net’s social benefits will continue to become more evident as we add new games to the service. Players can already connect and communicate with friends across World of Warcraft and StarCraft II, and in the future, they’ll be able to do the same in Diablo III.
We realized from the start that players would want to access and use StarCraft II and Battle.net in different ways. That’s why we created a variety of access options to suit different play styles and levels of commitment. Players can choose from multiple time-based passes if they know they’ll play intermittently, or they can choose an unlimited-access pass. In addition, Korea is the only region where World of Warcraft players can play StarCraft II for free!
Finally, I hope many of you were able to watch the finals for the first season of the Global StarCraft II League this past weekend. I’d like to personally congratulate FruitDealer for his hard-won victory and thank all of the participants for making this first season so successful and memorable. The GSL is just getting started -- the Season 2 preliminaries begin on October 9, and matches will be broadcast beginning October 18. We’ll be welcoming a new batch of players, including some very familiar faces, and we’re looking forward to seeing what strategies and surprises they all have in store. Gom TV is hard at work ensuring this season will be more epic and accessible than the last; you can visit www.gomtv.com for details or to catch any of the GSL matches you might have missed. I’d also like to mention that we are actively encouraging the creation of amateur StarCraft II tournaments as well, and we look forward to supporting more community tournaments at that level.
We continue to receive questions about the status of the negotiations between GomTV and organizations such as KeSPA, OGN, and MBC. We recognize many of you are interested to continue watching StarCraft I matches on TV, and as long as there is interest, we would like to see that continue as well. As GomTV is our exclusive tournament and broadcasting licensee in Korea, I cannot provide too many details about their ongoing negotiations other than to say that I am aware of the status of the negotiations and remain optimistic that these parties will be able to reach agreements that allow this to happen. Contrary to what you may have heard, it would make us very happy to see both StarCraft and StarCraft II matches continue to be televised at the professional level. These are both Blizzard games, after all.
I hope I’ve addressed some of the questions you’ve had over the past couple of months. As always, we appreciate the continued feedback from our Korean players, and we look forward to hearing more from you as StarCraft II and Battle.net evolve. See you online.
Sincerely,
Mike Morhaime
CEO and Cofounder, Blizzard Entertainment
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Thanks for this waxangel!!
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Hi Blizzard. Bye Blizzard.
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Korea is the only region where World of Warcraft players can play StarCraft II for free! holy fuck blizzard really wants korea to play sc2
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Interesting. Looking forward to those "several new custom maps" from the Blizzard team, personally.
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Well they've won me over.
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The part that got me excited the most was that they are working on new ladder maps.
Semi-pro and pro-leagues sounds very interesting too. Maybe semi-pro league will be a new league above diamond that is very hard to reach, and pro-league will be invite only?
The fact that negotiations between GomTV and the rest are still ongoing sounds very exciting too, but it's probably just political blabber (and that's exactly how it reads like) :/
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So this letter is just saying: we are working on sc2 and making maps buuuut we cant say anything about the negotiations and we want bw to stay on tv but we dont know. Sigh...
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Well he said actually nothing, what we didn't knew already, but talks about it over a page
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thanks Waxangel, interesting stuff to read 
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Hmmm, did he write this before or after his meeting with Department of Culture's Vice Minister? Because it didn't sound like it went too well...
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On October 07 2010 17:33 Darksoldierr wrote:
Well he said actually nothing, what we didn't knew already, but talks about it over a page
CEO and politician aren't that far apart, apparently.
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I think it was a good letter, im happy with sc2 already, but they are making it even better.
Looking forward to GSL2 aswell,
Things take time when making games, no matter how skilled you are
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Didn't really answer anything now did it..
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On October 07 2010 17:33 Darksoldierr wrote:
Well he said actually nothing, what we didn't knew already, but talks about it over a page
I didn't know they were introducing pro leagues, I'm interpreting this as like a league above diamond, I don't think they have mentioned this before.
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On October 07 2010 17:30 Sprouter wrote:Show nested quote +Korea is the only region where World of Warcraft players can play StarCraft II for free! holy fuck blizzard really wants korea to play sc2
I think it's the other way around.
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We recognize many of you are interested to continue watching StarCraft I matches on TV, and as long as there is interest, we would like to see that continue as well. ...
...Contrary to what you may have heard, it would make us very happy to see both StarCraft and StarCraft II matches continue to be televised at the professional level. These are both Blizzard games, after all.
I think this is a very important part. Can we stop claiming Blizzard wants BW to die now?
Other than that I'm highly interested in the custom maps. :D
Thanks for the info Waxangel!
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On October 07 2010 17:30 Sprouter wrote:Show nested quote +Korea is the only region where World of Warcraft players can play StarCraft II for free! holy fuck blizzard really wants korea to play sc2
Blizzard really enjoys the money from those WoW subsciptions.
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On October 07 2010 17:40 xBillehx wrote:Show nested quote +We recognize many of you are interested to continue watching StarCraft I matches on TV, and as long as there is interest, we would like to see that continue as well. ...
...Contrary to what you may have heard, it would make us very happy to see both StarCraft and StarCraft II matches continue to be televised at the professional level. These are both Blizzard games, after all.
I think this is a very important part. Can we stop claiming Blizzard wants BW to die now?Other than that I'm highly interested in the custom maps. :D Thanks for the info Waxangel!
I don't think die-hard BW fans can think any other way than they do now. They want their BW so bad even if their logic is skewed.
But I can't blame them, some people are just like that especially on the internet.
I'm guessing that the starcraft community has been very upset lately and MM is just trying to calm down the loud crying. It's like the calm before the storm.
If blizzard protects their IP or not, it can be devastating whichever way it went.
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On October 07 2010 17:40 xBillehx wrote:Show nested quote +We recognize many of you are interested to continue watching StarCraft I matches on TV, and as long as there is interest, we would like to see that continue as well. ...
...Contrary to what you may have heard, it would make us very happy to see both StarCraft and StarCraft II matches continue to be televised at the professional level. These are both Blizzard games, after all.
I think this is a very important part. Can we stop claiming Blizzard wants BW to die now? Other than that I'm highly interested in the custom maps. :D Thanks for the info Waxangel!
Because he said it, it's true? The actions don't match the words here.
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The one admirable thing about Blizzard is they respect Non-Disclosure at least, unlike Kespa. Nice open letter, although it just seems like he's been reading TL and giving us exactly what we want.
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I didn't know they plan to add chat channels and pro gaming division in the upcoming patch.
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Same shit, different day.
Wish they would just leave it and focus on the world rather than just Korea, everything they have done attempts to appease Koreans (who they have angered beyond reconciliation) all the while saying the usual Blizzard "screw you the rest of the world".
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
Mike fears the community....We must scare him to success.
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United States47024 Posts
On October 07 2010 17:47 ComusLoM wrote:
The one admirable thing about Blizzard is they respect Non-Disclosure at least, unlike Kespa. Nice open letter, although it just seems like he's been reading TL and giving us exactly what we want.
Personally I think it'd be a big enough indicator of Blizzard's attitude that Mike Morhaime personally reads TL.
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On October 07 2010 17:48 s.a.y wrote:
I didn't know they plan to add chat channels and pro gaming division in the upcoming patch.
they talked about it in "future patches" posts, but everyone focused on the fact that the next "balance patch" first would come at the end of the year 
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most quoted line in korea at the moment
These are both Blizzard games, after all.
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Sounded like plain boring PR talk to me.
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On October 07 2010 17:52 GTR wrote:most quoted line in korea at the moment
In what context? Ie. mockingly or happy that Blizz (says they) support BW?
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On October 07 2010 17:52 GTR wrote:most quoted line in korea at the moment
its good if they understand that blizzard cares about their games
its bad if they think that sentence stresses more on possession.
oh english.
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On October 07 2010 17:40 xBillehx wrote:Show nested quote +We recognize many of you are interested to continue watching StarCraft I matches on TV, and as long as there is interest, we would like to see that continue as well. ...
...Contrary to what you may have heard, it would make us very happy to see both StarCraft and StarCraft II matches continue to be televised at the professional level. These are both Blizzard games, after all.
I think this is a very important part. Can we stop claiming Blizzard wants BW to die now? Other than that I'm highly interested in the custom maps. :D Thanks for the info Waxangel!
I don't think anyone's claimed Blizzard wants BW to die for no good reason. Of course they want SC1 to live on. They just want many other things a lot more. If it would secure their IP rights in Korea, you bet they'd kill BW without a second thought. Nothing in this letter says otherwise.
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They have talked about pro leagues before but "semi-pro leagues" is news.
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I think this is a very important part. Can we stop claiming Blizzard wants BW to die now?
Other than that I'm highly interested in the custom maps. :D
Thanks for the info Waxangel!
Actions speak louder then words. Though maybe the community is a bit too polarizing. He defintely isn't bent on killing the BW scene, but he does of course prioritize the growth of the SC2 scene over the preservation of the BW scene. (This should be understandable really though, it isnt that demonic) In reality, devoid of context, it appears that blizzard is killing off the BW scene and replacing it with the SC2 scene.
In the end what they want doesn't matter (as a subject of the discussion). The point is BW will likely die and be replaced with SC2, with an uncertain level of success.
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This could almost be a standard response template and is about as effective as pissing into a volcano.
Especially the last paragraph about the BW proscene, about as disingenuous and emotionless as you can get. It's like being chased down a corridor by a deranged madman, and as he is stabbing you he goes "I don't want to hurt you, I only want what's best for you". Your actions speak louder than your words, Blizzard. But I guess letters like this are all about appearing benevolent among those who aren't really interested in what happens to BW.
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GSL Stands for "Global Starcraft 2 League" ? I thought it stood for "Gretech Star League"....
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It doesn't really say much.
But it says enuff to conclude that Blizzard still cares.
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On October 07 2010 17:46 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 17:40 xBillehx wrote:We recognize many of you are interested to continue watching StarCraft I matches on TV, and as long as there is interest, we would like to see that continue as well. ...
...Contrary to what you may have heard, it would make us very happy to see both StarCraft and StarCraft II matches continue to be televised at the professional level. These are both Blizzard games, after all.
I think this is a very important part. Can we stop claiming Blizzard wants BW to die now? Other than that I'm highly interested in the custom maps. :D Thanks for the info Waxangel! Because he said it, it's true? The actions don't match the words here.
Gretech wants BW to die. Depending on their contract, Blizzard might or might not want it.
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Didn't know there is going to be semi-pro leagues. What that does even mean :o I wonder how they will decide who is pro and who is semi-pro.
But I'm glad they are at least saying something, even thought it's kinda that politician answer that doesn't really answer anything.
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We realized from the start that players would want to access and use StarCraft II and Battle.net in different ways. That’s why we created a variety of access options to suit different play styles and levels of commitment. Players can choose from multiple time-based passes if they know they’ll play intermittently, or they can choose an unlimited-access pass.
Is this a step towards pay-per-play like WoW or am I misinterpreting this?
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On October 07 2010 18:11 MusiK wrote:Show nested quote +We realized from the start that players would want to access and use StarCraft II and Battle.net in different ways. That’s why we created a variety of access options to suit different play styles and levels of commitment. Players can choose from multiple time-based passes if they know they’ll play intermittently, or they can choose an unlimited-access pass. Is this a step towards pay-per-play like WoW or am I misinterpreting this?
I think he just talks about those some countries who have options to buy playtime in that pay-per-play fashion.
But even those countries they have a option to buy the game and never pay for it again.
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On October 07 2010 18:11 MusiK wrote:Show nested quote +We realized from the start that players would want to access and use StarCraft II and Battle.net in different ways. That’s why we created a variety of access options to suit different play styles and levels of commitment. Players can choose from multiple time-based passes if they know they’ll play intermittently, or they can choose an unlimited-access pass. Is this a step towards pay-per-play like WoW or am I misinterpreting this?
This has been their plan from the start. If they planned on implementing it outside of Korea they would have on release.
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United States7166 Posts
On October 07 2010 17:39 TheFinalWord wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 17:33 Darksoldierr wrote:
Well he said actually nothing, what we didn't knew already, but talks about it over a page I didn't know they were introducing pro leagues, I'm interpreting this as like a league above diamond, I don't think they have mentioned this before.
theyve mentioned pro leagues since 2008..everyone knew it was in their plans
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United States7166 Posts
i would like an update concerning balance. do they still plan to balance the game for team play, and largely untouch 1v1? -_-
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blabla keep buying our games, blabla we "care", blabla we want all the $$$ so kespa can go 2 hell.
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We continue to receive questions about the status of the negotiations between GomTV and organizations such as KeSPA, OGN, and MBC. We recognize many of you are interested to continue watching StarCraft I matches on TV, and as long as there is interest, we would like to see that continue as well. As GomTV is our exclusive tournament and broadcasting licensee in Korea, I cannot provide too many details about their ongoing negotiations other than to say that I am aware of the status of the negotiations and remain optimistic that these parties will be able to reach agreements that allow this to happen. Contrary to what you may have heard, it would make us very happy to see both StarCraft and StarCraft II matches continue to be televised at the professional level. These are both Blizzard games, after all.
MM overestimates people's stupidity it seems.
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On October 07 2010 18:11 MusiK wrote:Show nested quote +We realized from the start that players would want to access and use StarCraft II and Battle.net in different ways. That’s why we created a variety of access options to suit different play styles and levels of commitment. Players can choose from multiple time-based passes if they know they’ll play intermittently, or they can choose an unlimited-access pass. Is this a step towards pay-per-play like WoW or am I misinterpreting this?
Its nothing new for korean server, you are just not informed
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this is pretty cool but they should have just delayed the release of starcraft 2 for another 2-3 months and put it all in with ver 1.00
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ok i read so much crap in this mail  , biggest one is the pay to play even if u buyed already hour games (180 $ for the 3 games) , and u can't even make a map and play it with your frends
p.s if blizzard doesn't allow other ppl to make maps ( for example the guys from kespa who are making bw maps for 10 years) , we whont discover the true potential of sc2 , cause this maps that blizzard makes let's admit it are silly
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On October 07 2010 18:58 lastreason wrote:ok i read so much crap in this mail , biggest one is the pay to play even if u buyed already hour games (180 $ for the 3 games) , and u can't even make a map and play it with your frends
What?
You wouldn't pay 180$ , and THEN pay to play.
It would be just pay to play. You don't pay the 60$ at all, just the pay to play. And only certain countries even get that option to begin with.
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On October 07 2010 17:40 Ravloo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 17:30 Sprouter wrote:Korea is the only region where World of Warcraft players can play StarCraft II for free! holy fuck blizzard really wants korea to play sc2 I think it's the other way around.
SC2 wants to Korea Blizzard?
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On October 07 2010 18:58 lastreason wrote:ok i read so much crap in this mail , biggest one is the pay to play even if u buyed already hour games (180 $ for the 3 games) , and u can't even make a map and play it with your frends p.s if blizzard doesn't allow other ppl to make maps ( for example the guys from kespa who are making bw maps for 10 years) , we whont discover the true potential of sc2 , cause this maps that blizzard makes let's admit it are silly
Rofl. Great satire... I hope...
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On October 07 2010 18:58 lastreason wrote:ok i read so much crap in this mail , biggest one is the pay to play even if u buyed already hour games (180 $ for the 3 games) , and u can't even make a map and play it with your frends p.s if blizzard doesn't allow other ppl to make maps ( for example the guys from kespa who are making bw maps for 10 years) , we whont discover the true potential of sc2 , cause this maps that blizzard makes let's admit it are silly
Why is it that every time the different options that are available to certain countries is mentioned somebody gets this wild out of this world idea?
Listen, korea has several methods of playing the game... they can:
Buy the full game at the same price as any other country
Buy a partial game for cheap then pay for monthly passes
Buy daily passes
And apparently, play WoW and get it entirely free.
There might be even more methods, but these are the ones that I know about.
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You guys realise Mike Morhaime's middle name is actually Matthew?
M/M/M - think about it guys.
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Alot of word to say not too much. :-/
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That's a page full of ... well, nothing.
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lol classic spin by blizzard...but blizzard, actions really do speak louder than words I'm afraid..
And thank you for addressing the KOREAN COMMUNITY once again proving how little blizzard cares about the foreign community...
How about a GSL in Europe or USA?
Why don't you try to create esports in another country instead of crashing someone else's party?
Oh that's right, you're not capable of such a thing...you did abandon bw...the only reason it's alive and well is because of Kespa.
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more uselessness, good ol' blizzard, now what part of our "feedback" do they listen to anyway?
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On October 07 2010 17:40 xBillehx wrote:Show nested quote +We recognize many of you are interested to continue watching StarCraft I matches on TV, and as long as there is interest, we would like to see that continue as well. ...
...Contrary to what you may have heard, it would make us very happy to see both StarCraft and StarCraft II matches continue to be televised at the professional level. These are both Blizzard games, after all.
I think this is a very important part. Can we stop claiming Blizzard wants BW to die now? Other than that I'm highly interested in the custom maps. :D Thanks for the info Waxangel!
Yes, because people in positions highly filled with money say everything that's the truth, not what the people who cut their checks want to hear, right?
Right!
On October 07 2010 18:37 Zelniq wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 17:39 TheFinalWord wrote:On October 07 2010 17:33 Darksoldierr wrote:
Well he said actually nothing, what we didn't knew already, but talks about it over a page I didn't know they were introducing pro leagues, I'm interpreting this as like a league above diamond, I don't think they have mentioned this before. theyve mentioned pro leagues since 2008..everyone knew it was in their plans
Apparently not everyone, it's news to me. I'm intrigued.
On October 07 2010 19:17 abrasion wrote:
You guys realise Mike Morhaime's middle name is actually Matthew?
M/M/M - think about it guys.
Lol.
The boiler plate letter is cute, but not impressive, I don't think.
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On October 07 2010 19:45 aupstar wrote:
And thank you for addressing the KOREAN COMMUNITY once again proving how little blizzard cares about the foreign community...
It interests me how it's often the same old-BW/longtime TL members that constantly want the game to be made less accessable to new players and be balanced and focus more around pro's and top tier players (no MBS, automine, etc), are the same people who complain the second Blizzard appears to only show recognition to a group that doesn't include them
"Focus on the pros! No not their pros, our pros! Gah you're so biased blizzard why can't you cater to everyoneohwait..."
Edit: I should add I'm not directing this comment specifically at the user I quoted, but reading his post reminded me of this fact so I quoted the line for context.
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On October 07 2010 19:45 aupstar wrote:lol classic spin by blizzard...but blizzard, actions really do speak louder than words I'm afraid.. And thank you for addressing the KOREAN COMMUNITY once again proving how little blizzard cares about the foreign community... How about a GSL in Europe or USA? Why don't you try to create esports in another country instead of crashing someone else's party? Oh that's right, you're not capable of such a thing...you did abandon bw...the only reason it's alive and well is because of Kespa.
and here comes all the Blizzard hate.
Yes, let's start esport in another country and watch it fail. No other country can achieve the level of E-Sports that Korea has.
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wow, im speechless at the stupidity of some of the posters on this thread....
btw, I'm glad that MM voices the fact that Blizz doesnt want bw to die
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New ladder maps is probably the most interesting thing in this whole article. I wonder if the game will start to become more balanced with the introduction of new maps.
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On October 07 2010 20:23 PlaGuE_R wrote:
wow, im speechless at the stupidity of some of the posters on this thread....
btw, I'm glad that MM voices the fact that Blizz doesnt want bw to die
you are wrong it has nothing to do with stupidity but with naivety. From your part.
If you have followed last months events, obviously...
Blizzard doesn't care about bw or no bw. If they can make money on pro bw, they will probably be happy to do so. If they can't they will try to make it disappear. Period.
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This letter sounds like that Tom Cruise interview about scientology. A lot of words, no content whatsoever.
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On October 07 2010 19:10 Ordained wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 17:40 Ravloo wrote:On October 07 2010 17:30 Sprouter wrote:Korea is the only region where World of Warcraft players can play StarCraft II for free! holy fuck blizzard really wants korea to play sc2 I think it's the other way around. SC2 wants to Korea Blizzard?
:D
No, Blizz wants ppl to play WoW
Playing with WoW trough 6 months > SC2's price
Becoming addict and playing with it trough 5 years > lot of SC2's account
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Letter is just a big damage control measure for all the stupid shit they've been doing and saying lately. Nothing new.
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Can't believe people take this as a "Blizzard wants both BW and SC2 pro scenes to flourish", If they did want that they would have taken the offer Kespa made to Gretech and have been done with the whole affair. This is just bullshit spin, they don't care about broodwar in the slightest.
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On October 07 2010 20:06 NikonTC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 19:45 aupstar wrote:
And thank you for addressing the KOREAN COMMUNITY once again proving how little blizzard cares about the foreign community... It interests me how it's often the same old-BW/longtime TL members that constantly want the game to be made less accessable to new players and be balanced and focus more around pro's and top tier players (no MBS, automine, etc), are the same people who complain the second Blizzard appears to only show recognition to a group that doesn't include them "Focus on the pros! No not their pros, our pros! Gah you're so biased blizzard why can't you cater to everyoneohwait..." Edit: I should add I'm not directing this comment specifically at the user I quoted, but reading his post reminded me of this fact so I quoted the line for context.
Dude you have 4 posts...
Please quote my entire quote in future..
Welcome to TL and thank you for taking the time to read all my previous posts..
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I am happy, I like battle.net updates! GSL is awesome, of course... I am looking forward to more balance updates, I am very excited because I know within the year a lot will change!
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On October 07 2010 20:37 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 20:23 PlaGuE_R wrote:
wow, im speechless at the stupidity of some of the posters on this thread....
btw, I'm glad that MM voices the fact that Blizz doesnt want bw to die you are wrong it has nothing to do with stupidity but with naivety. From your part. If you have followed last months events, obviously... Blizzard doesn't care about bw or no bw. If they can make money on pro bw, they will probably be happy to do so. If they can't they will try to make it disappear. Period.
not naivety, i know what's going on, but it's still stupidity, as in posting like an idiot rather then voicing the opinion that Blizz prefers SC2 to live instead of BW. 'AMG MM IS DEVILZ' kind of crap is stupid.
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Well played by Blizzard, IMO. They certainly have an axe to grind with KeSPA, but I'm pretty sure they don't want to kill off BW.
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Enjoyed the read.
Oh and:
![[image loading]](http://www.supercity.at/blog/upload/blog/2010/04/haters1.jpg)
It's not like there's anything in the world a Blizzard representative could possibly say that wouldn't be marked as lie or whatever conspiracy by you haters.
But of course you're just insanely clever why we're all stupid and naive. How could we possible actually like Blizzard? Yeh... just how? I mean without Blizzard our world would be much better I guess x.x
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On October 07 2010 19:10 Ordained wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 17:40 Ravloo wrote:On October 07 2010 17:30 Sprouter wrote:Korea is the only region where World of Warcraft players can play StarCraft II for free! holy fuck blizzard really wants korea to play sc2 I think it's the other way around. SC2 wants to Korea Blizzard?
And lmao, had the same thought :D
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As much as I like blizzard I somehow have a hard time believing that they want sc1 and sc2 to co-exist.
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Good read I thought. Curious to see the new in-house custom maps and ladder maps even though my expectations aren't high. Still new stuff; can't complain. Also curious to see the new leagues.
Nothing to complain about here really. Just some news and i'm happy.
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Nice picture
User was temp banned for a history of posts.
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Did that actually answer anything what so ever? lol. Wow.
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Bisutopia19240 Posts
I have that mysterious feeling that the letter here has told us nothing...
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On October 07 2010 20:37 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 20:23 PlaGuE_R wrote:
wow, im speechless at the stupidity of some of the posters on this thread....
btw, I'm glad that MM voices the fact that Blizz doesnt want bw to die you are wrong it has nothing to do with stupidity but with naivety. From your part. If you have followed last months events, obviously... Blizzard doesn't care about bw or no bw. If they can make money on pro bw, they will probably be happy to do so. If they can't they will try to make it disappear. Period.
I doubt they will be happy if the BW scene dies. Nobody will be happy about it except the occasional hater. But for most SC2 players the BW scenes existance wont affect their situation at all. Blizzard is a company that wants to make a profit from their products, if they can make a profit by promoting GSL but not the BW scene, then they will do the former. If they can make a profit from both, then they will probably do so too. However, making a profit from the BW scene for Blizzard, in terms of license to arrange tournaments, is impossible due to dissagreements between the parties (Blizzard/Kespa) over that particular subject.
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Nice, they are doing new maps, and some are already in the ladder pool!
This is huge, those maps will be super awsome, like every map blizzard has done so far!
Can't wait!
Interview didn't say anything at all, so i'll skip to comment on it.
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idk why so many people are mad
it was a nice letter from a nice guy
and I had no idea they were adding a semi-pro league, that's awesome
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On October 07 2010 21:36 Tef wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 20:37 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2010 20:23 PlaGuE_R wrote:
wow, im speechless at the stupidity of some of the posters on this thread....
btw, I'm glad that MM voices the fact that Blizz doesnt want bw to die you are wrong it has nothing to do with stupidity but with naivety. From your part. If you have followed last months events, obviously... Blizzard doesn't care about bw or no bw. If they can make money on pro bw, they will probably be happy to do so. If they can't they will try to make it disappear. Period. I doubt they will be happy if the BW scene dies. Nobody will be happy about it except the occasional hater. But for most SC2 players the BW scenes existance wont affect their situation at all. Blizzard is a company that wants to make a profit from their products, if they can make a profit by promoting GSL but not the BW scene, then they will do the former. If they can make a profit from both, then they will probably do so too. However, making a profit from the BW scene for Blizzard, in terms of license to arrange tournaments, is impossible due to dissagreements between the parties (Blizzard/Kespa) over that particular subject.
But the 'profit' should be the free promotion of their game. If they actually want to make pure profit from running tournaments it will never work. They never even mentioned BW's IP rights back in 2004/05 when the Korean scene was at it's peak and BW managed to reach 4.5 million copies sold in Korea, they clearly knew it was a benefit to them. When your game is shown on TV all day, has 100,000 people turn up to an event, and the main gamers are known all over the country it's stupidly shortsighted to think: how can i make more money directly from this? Other companies would pay MILLIONS to have this kind of promotion/advertisement.
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I kinda liked the letter... Also I seriously doubt Blizzard wants to kill BW. I dont even think they want money from BW, they do probably want some kind of control of BW tho.
But I do think they want SC2 to live more than BW, and the whole issue have become so infected that its looking more and more like one or the other. I consider both sides at fault in this, Kespa should just have opened the door to SC2 from the beginning rather that trying to shut it out turning this into a war and Blizzard should have given up some of that precious control to Kespa if it meant both game flourishing. Now that it is a war i fear it will end up with one of them R.I.P.
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On October 07 2010 21:43 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
idk why so many people are mad
it was a nice letter from a nice guy
and I had no idea they were adding a semi-pro league, that's awesome
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=158742
It just seems like damage control after a fight with the cultural minister of Korea.
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"I’d also like to mention that we are actively encouraging the creation of amateur StarCraft II tournaments as well, and we look forward to supporting more community tournaments at that level. "
aha, like delaying HDH2 until GSL preseason 3 is over
interesting way of supporte
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Very nice post! It's good to see that Blizzard really listen players and always consider doing what people want.
But, nothing about a LAN support or any kind of integration between differrent SC2 license's region / acoounts.
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On October 07 2010 17:30 Sprouter wrote:Show nested quote +Korea is the only region where World of Warcraft players can play StarCraft II for free! holy fuck blizzard really wants korea to play sc2
More like they want korea to play WoW , because nobody plays WoW in korea luls
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So he basically said he can't confirm anything but they're aware of the issues? Got it. Lol.
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and we’re committed to providing new features,
Yes, their negative chatrooms feature is pretty awesome.
I haven't experienced this personally, but isn't there some sort of limit on how many custom maps a person can have or make? I'd like details on this.
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On October 07 2010 21:51 Art_of_Kill wrote:
"I’d also like to mention that we are actively encouraging the creation of amateur StarCraft II tournaments as well, and we look forward to supporting more community tournaments at that level. "
aha, like delaying HDH2 until GSL preseason 3 is over
interesting way of supporte
Yeah i think this is funny too. They support the creation of tournaments but along with Bnet 2 just put loads of obstacles in the way of actually running it. eSports is running in spite of Blizzard/Bnet 2 rather thank thanks to it.
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On October 07 2010 22:09 Exclamator wrote:Yes, their negative chatrooms feature is pretty awesome. I haven't experienced this personally, but isn't there some sort of limit on how many custom maps a person can have or make? I'd like details on this.
10 (I believe?).
I think it was 5 before but they recently up'd it to 10. I think.
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On October 07 2010 17:40 Ravloo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 17:30 Sprouter wrote:Korea is the only region where World of Warcraft players can play StarCraft II for free! holy fuck blizzard really wants korea to play sc2 I think it's the other way around.
What does this mean, the other way around???!? I
Korea wants blizzard to play sc2?
Blizzard wants sc2 to play korea??
Sc2 wants blizzard to play korea???
or even: Korea wants to play sc2 in a blizzard??
I've tried like every permutation and none of them make any sense. Care to fill me in on what you're going for here? It would make me feel better.
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On October 07 2010 21:46 DND_Enkil wrote:
I kinda liked the letter... Also I seriously doubt Blizzard wants to kill BW. I dont even think they want money from BW, they do probably want some kind of control of BW tho.
But I do think they want SC2 to live more than BW, and the whole issue have become so infected that its looking more and more like one or the other. I consider both sides at fault in this, Kespa should just have opened the door to SC2 from the beginning rather that trying to shut it out turning this into a war and Blizzard should have given up some of that precious control to Kespa if it meant both game flourishing. Now that it is a war i fear it will end up with one of them R.I.P.
They don't _want_ to kill BW, but if the choice is between letting Kespa use it or killing it, they'd rather kill it.
SC2's integration into Battle.net 2.0 and new EULA was designed so that Kespa couldn't use SC2 even if they wanted to. I think it'd be more accurate to say that Blizzard wanted Kespa out of the picture for SC2 than Kespa not willing to run with it; they were willing for WC3 before it failed due to scandals.
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I really would appreciate Blizzard not forgetting that old game of theirs that has 10 years of professional gamingm is perfectly balanced, has more than 100 pros and awesome maps and I hope they at least keep making tournaments and giving as much money as they are giving to that new game of theirs that has horrible balance and amateurs cheesing their way to semi-finals of championships that has horrendous maps.
Apart from it, thanks for chat channels.
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On October 07 2010 21:45 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 21:36 Tef wrote:On October 07 2010 20:37 Biff The Understudy wrote:On October 07 2010 20:23 PlaGuE_R wrote:
wow, im speechless at the stupidity of some of the posters on this thread....
btw, I'm glad that MM voices the fact that Blizz doesnt want bw to die you are wrong it has nothing to do with stupidity but with naivety. From your part. If you have followed last months events, obviously... Blizzard doesn't care about bw or no bw. If they can make money on pro bw, they will probably be happy to do so. If they can't they will try to make it disappear. Period. I doubt they will be happy if the BW scene dies. Nobody will be happy about it except the occasional hater. But for most SC2 players the BW scenes existance wont affect their situation at all. Blizzard is a company that wants to make a profit from their products, if they can make a profit by promoting GSL but not the BW scene, then they will do the former. If they can make a profit from both, then they will probably do so too. However, making a profit from the BW scene for Blizzard, in terms of license to arrange tournaments, is impossible due to dissagreements between the parties (Blizzard/Kespa) over that particular subject. But the 'profit' should be the free promotion of their game. If they actually want to make pure profit from running tournaments it will never work. They never even mentioned BW's IP rights back in 2004/05 when the Korean scene was at it's peak and BW managed to reach 4.5 million copies sold in Korea, they clearly knew it was a benefit to them. When your game is shown on TV all day, has 100,000 people turn up to an event, and the main gamers are known all over the country it's stupidly shortsighted to think: how can i make more money directly from this? Other companies would pay MILLIONS to have this kind of promotion/advertisement.
It's a valid point that Blizzard has made money on BW sales in Korea due to its popularity. But if that kind of promotion is in conflict with their intention to be the owner and issuer of tournament license they have to enforce what they see as their rights to their own IP. Another fact is that BW has already peaked and its life cycle is almost over as a retail game that is directly profitable for Blizzard. The only reason Blizzard have to ensure the future prosperity of the BW scene is good will. And that is why we now have this letter.
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/flame on
I don't get why there are people in this thread saying its a "nice" post, unless they just don't follow the SC2 scene, in which case it may be a "nice" post for them because it summarizes everything upcoming that the fans already know about. For the rest of us, however...
Morhaime states, "I hope I’ve addressed some of the questions", but he literally states nothing new in the post. The closest question he comes to answering is "Is Blizzard deliberately influencing Gretech to be assholes with negotiating?", and he of course can't reveal any negotiation details anyway so he gives a vague statement that he "remains optimistic".
Nonetheless, interesting read, thanks Waxangel.
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Gimmee Lan, Mike Morhaime.
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E-Sports makes very little money compared to Blizzard's bottom line and will probably continue to do so for SC2's duration.
I'm confused why people see them as trying to dominate their IP.
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We recognize many of you are interested to continue watching StarCraft I matches on TV, and as long as there is interest, we would like to see that continue as well.
lol
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On October 07 2010 22:16 LaughingTulkas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 17:40 Ravloo wrote:On October 07 2010 17:30 Sprouter wrote:Korea is the only region where World of Warcraft players can play StarCraft II for free! holy fuck blizzard really wants korea to play sc2 I think it's the other way around. What does this mean, the other way around???!? I Korea wants blizzard to play sc2? Blizzard wants sc2 to play korea?? Sc2 wants blizzard to play korea??? or even: Korea wants to play sc2 in a blizzard?? I've tried like every permutation and none of them make any sense. Care to fill me in on what you're going for here? It would make me feel better.
Haha that reminds me the "Nada is the Mondragon of the korean scene"
On topic, the letter is nice, but if BW sold that many copies in Korea, it's because of the popularity of the game. They're doing it wrong... They should make the game popular first, sell a shitload of copies, and then big tournaments will be held, and a real progaming structure may arise.
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TBH, Blizzard are the ones in control of the korean proleagues. Don't renew the SC:BW contract with the proleagues, but give them an option for SC2.
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On October 07 2010 22:34 Achilles wrote:
TBH, Blizzard are the ones in control of the korean proleagues. Don't renew the SC:BW contract with the proleagues, but give them an option for SC2.
no
all they're doing is holding it hostage because of that retarded IP rights + time slot issue
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I read the whole thing expecting some exciting news or a big announcement, got neither. I'm beginning to think nothing will ever really change about the game or bnet2
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bunch of politick speak. worthless.
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I'm actually comforted by this. I believe in Mike Morhaim, and I think if he took the time to personally address us, even if it is damage control, it shows that all of blizzard is invested in making this game good, and are actually listening to us.
Can't wait to see some of these new changes in, and can't wait for the seasons to start. Thanks mike.
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Meh, I had a good feeling after reading the letter.
Then I realized everything is politics, PR, and ass-kissing. This open letter came immediately after the Mike vs Minister of Korean Culture mouthing off to each other.
Mike is just trying to appease to their main audience - Korean gamers.
In short, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
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On October 07 2010 22:40 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 22:34 Achilles wrote:
TBH, Blizzard are the ones in control of the korean proleagues. Don't renew the SC:BW contract with the proleagues, but give them an option for SC2. no all they're doing is holding it hostage because of that retarded IP rights + time slot issue
And from a purely business standpoint Blizzard should then hold the BW hostage if they want SC2 to explode and make money in that market.
Valve did it for CSS when DirectTV had their CGS program on. Unfortunately DTV doesn't know how to run a company.
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So....... what was the point of this letter?
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I want more information on the 'Pro' and 'Semi pro' leagues. Sounds to me like we're just going to get a new Diamond league that most people get into eventually. It'd be nice if it was invite only. Otherwise I'm going to feel pressure as a commentator to actually earn my way in, which will take a lot of my time, hahaha.
Also, seasons... I'd like to see them be as long as traditional seasons. Would be interesting to have Fall/Winter/Spring/Summer seasons each year. I think four month periods are the perfect times for ladder resets.
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On October 07 2010 21:51 Art_of_Kill wrote:
"I’d also like to mention that we are actively encouraging the creation of amateur StarCraft II tournaments as well, and we look forward to supporting more community tournaments at that level. "
aha, like delaying HDH2 until GSL preseason 3 is over
interesting way of supporte
Amateur tournaments refers to tournaments where participants are not professional.
I.e. having professional gamers like idrA and TLO competing in HDH2 disqualifies it as an "amateur tournament".
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Well that was disappointing. No real new info, and it worries me that things like custom games get mentioned up front, none of the major sc2 competitive concers are mentioened, and bw gets a brief mention at the end. Honesly I just want to watch some good bw at this point. I'm happy if sc2 improves, but isn't my main concern right now. I honestly don't care at all about custom games and maps.
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Korea gets free SC2 with WoW!? o.0
I'm excited about the new semi-pro/pro leagues too, makes it more apparent where you really are skill wise. The difference between HuK for example at the top of diamond and the average mid-diamond player is HUGE. Both should really not be in the same league :D
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On October 07 2010 17:30 Sprouter wrote:Show nested quote +Korea is the only region where World of Warcraft players can play StarCraft II for free! holy fuck blizzard really wants korea to play sc2
It was at this point I went O.o "holy cow" too. Not that it matters much to us a WoW noob is a WoW noob no matter what country they are from.
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meanwhile GSL finals hit 800k views @ gomtv.com
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On October 07 2010 23:15 Wolf wrote:
I want more information on the 'Pro' and 'Semi pro' leagues. Sounds to me like we're just going to get a new Diamond league that most people get into eventually.
well, if they are serious about this, then I don't see why this should be the case
if we compare it to iCCup they could make it so semi pro league basicly resembles B- / C+ while pro is A- / B+ up....or something like that
it will definitely be percentage-wise and not point-wise; currently, I think about 6-7% are in diamond; if the top 1% overall get moved into "semi pro" and the top 10-20% of "semi-pro" into "pro", then this could work, don't you think?
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Allowing WoW players to play SC2 is not a terrible move.
I would probably had kept my WoW account active if they rewarded me with a free SC2 for doing so. SC2 is about 5months worth of WoW game time.
And then you get to basically force players to keep their WoW account active saying "if you deactivate your WoW account, you will need to buy SC2 to continue playing it".
It sounds pretty smart. I wonder why they didn't do it in other countries?
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They don't really mean any of it though. They'd have made the obvious changes to Bnet2 2 weeks in if they did.
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always good stuff to hear from the man himself. Hopefully they will also add LAN, unlock global servers, rework the custom games window, improve the game lobby and make name changes free forever.
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On October 07 2010 18:06 DiamondTear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 17:46 infinity2k9 wrote:On October 07 2010 17:40 xBillehx wrote:We recognize many of you are interested to continue watching StarCraft I matches on TV, and as long as there is interest, we would like to see that continue as well. ...
...Contrary to what you may have heard, it would make us very happy to see both StarCraft and StarCraft II matches continue to be televised at the professional level. These are both Blizzard games, after all.
I think this is a very important part. Can we stop claiming Blizzard wants BW to die now? Other than that I'm highly interested in the custom maps. :D Thanks for the info Waxangel! Because he said it, it's true? The actions don't match the words here. Gretech wants BW to die. Depending on their contract, Blizzard might or might not want it.
Gretech doesn't want BW to die - keep up with the current negotiations. They've recently said all they want is the IP rights and an -extremely- small fee (considering the profits the companies are making). At the moment, it really sounds like MBC is the one acting out of line, and they're the ones paying for it. KeSPA just wants both MBC and OGN to broadcast it and Gretech isn't happy with MBC. Hopefully it will get worked out.
On October 07 2010 23:48 Piy wrote:
They don't really mean any of it though. They'd have made the obvious changes to Bnet2 2 weeks in if they did.
Because it's easy to develop a shitload of content in 2 weeks. Seriously?
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I read this then I look at the new ladder maps
what to believe?
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On October 07 2010 23:36 Phrencys wrote:
Allowing WoW players to play SC2 is not a terrible move.
I would probably had kept my WoW account active if they rewarded me with a free SC2 for doing so. SC2 is about 5months worth of WoW game time.
And then you get to basically force players to keep their WoW account active saying "if you deactivate your WoW account, you will need to buy SC2 to continue playing it".
It sounds pretty smart. I wonder why they didn't do it in other countries?
Pretty much, stopped paying for WoW aswell when SC2 came out
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Knowing what to say at the right times, good for you Blizzard, Activision has taught you well.
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i cant help but think they purposely excluded chat channels, lan etc, so that after release when they KNOW people will want them, they begin to add whats already there, slowly, making them look like they are this awesome company listening to fans :D
however, from a non-conspiracy point of view, its all good news
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This is all great news.. But I was very sad to see no mention of LAN support for tournaments in the future
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On October 07 2010 17:40 Ravloo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 17:30 Sprouter wrote:Korea is the only region where World of Warcraft players can play StarCraft II for free! holy fuck blizzard really wants korea to play sc2 I think it's the other way around.
Korea wants Blizzard to play SC2?
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On October 08 2010 00:28 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 17:40 Ravloo wrote:On October 07 2010 17:30 Sprouter wrote:Korea is the only region where World of Warcraft players can play StarCraft II for free! holy fuck blizzard really wants korea to play sc2 I think it's the other way around. Korea wants Blizzard to play SC2?
I dont get that one either and thought about the same sentence. I actually thought about it for 3-4 mins and didnt get a working conclusion out of it. Any knows what he ment? ^^
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We recognize many of you are interested to continue watching StarCraft I matches on TV, and as long as there is interest, we would like to see that continue as well. As GomTV is our exclusive tournament and broadcasting licensee in Korea, I cannot provide too many details about their ongoing negotiations other than to say that I am aware of the status of the negotiations and remain optimistic that these parties will be able to reach agreements that allow this to happen. Contrary to what you may have heard, it would make us very happy to see both StarCraft and StarCraft II matches continue to be televised at the professional level. These are both Blizzard games, after all.
This brought warmth to my heart and tears to my eyes.
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On October 08 2010 00:35 Dekker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 00:28 TheBB wrote:On October 07 2010 17:40 Ravloo wrote:On October 07 2010 17:30 Sprouter wrote:Korea is the only region where World of Warcraft players can play StarCraft II for free! holy fuck blizzard really wants korea to play sc2 I think it's the other way around. Korea wants Blizzard to play SC2? I dont get that one either and thought about the same sentence. I actually thought about it for 3-4 mins and didnt get a working conclusion out of it. Any knows what he ment? ^^
They want Koreans to play WoW.
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On October 08 2010 00:28 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 17:40 Ravloo wrote:On October 07 2010 17:30 Sprouter wrote:Korea is the only region where World of Warcraft players can play StarCraft II for free! holy fuck blizzard really wants korea to play sc2 I think it's the other way around. Korea wants Blizzard to play SC2?
Blizzard wants SC2 to play Korea
as in "play someone" = trick, fool
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Nice to see an active interest by Blizzard in the SC2 community.
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man people are so pessimistic.
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On October 08 2010 00:35 Dekker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 00:28 TheBB wrote:On October 07 2010 17:40 Ravloo wrote:On October 07 2010 17:30 Sprouter wrote:Korea is the only region where World of Warcraft players can play StarCraft II for free! holy fuck blizzard really wants korea to play sc2 I think it's the other way around. Korea wants Blizzard to play SC2? I dont get that one either and thought about the same sentence. I actually thought about it for 3-4 mins and didnt get a working conclusion out of it. Any knows what he ment? ^^
Blizzard wants people to continue playing WoW. So they give the incentive that if you play WoW you get SC2 for free.
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That is not really the other way around but makes sense. Thanks a lot
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You do realise this is not a letter directed to TL.net... It would be pretty stupid to think that.
Your average TL reader is going to be up to date on the scene for the most part. One or two things might be news to you from this letter maybe not. This was directed to the whole community of SC2 and a lot who play it for fun or don't read a site dedicated to ground breaking news as it happens this is a very informative letter to help speed up people's knowledge of what is happening in the game or going to be happening.
The whole BW fiasco of who is "killing" BW is the fault of everyone involved in the negotiations. Blizzard, GOM, and Kespa. GOM TV is their own company Blizzard doesn't own and is not calling the shots on the negotiations. Kespa is being stubborn and is not helping their image by shitting on anyone who retires/quits BW and goes on to SC2. Blizzard is also trying to demand too much out of an old game(Sell the broadcasting rights for a small fee and let it go, or show your commitment by sponsoring some events for it).
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On October 07 2010 17:38 Sqq wrote:
Didn't really answer anything now did it..
Precisely. Everything we already knew anyway. Nothing but publicity to keep their image (or whatever is left of it to some anyway) intact.
On October 08 2010 01:11 Kralic wrote:
You do realise this is not a letter directed to TL.net... It would be pretty stupid to think that.
Your average TL reader is going to be up to date on the scene for the most part. One or two things might be news to you from this letter maybe not. This was directed to the whole community of SC2 and a lot who play it for fun or don't read a site dedicated to ground breaking news as it happens this is a very informative letter to help speed up people's knowledge of what is happening in the game or going to be happening.
The whole BW fiasco of who is "killing" BW is the fault of everyone involved in the negotiations. Blizzard, GOM, and Kespa. GOM TV is their own company Blizzard doesn't own and is not calling the shots on the negotiations. Kespa is being stubborn and is not helping their image by shitting on anyone who retires/quits BW and goes on to SC2. Blizzard is also trying to demand too much out of an old game(Sell the broadcasting rights for a small fee and let it go, or show your commitment by sponsoring some events for it).
My thoughts exactly. Well said.
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introduce real starcraft maps please, ask kespa how to make them at least. It seems, they have far more experience in this than you, mr. blizzard
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He makes it sound like Blizzard cannot (or rather able to but will not) overturn the descision that Gretech makes if he decides to cut MBCGame from the picture.
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Why are people complaining about what he wrote? Yes, he didn't delve too deeply into the negotiations going on right now, because there's an entire NDA on it and they're still talking with them.
I will take Blizzard's sterile, indifferent response to a situation they can't openly talk about as opposed to the incredibly one-sided viewpoint you always read in letters from KeSPA.
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On October 07 2010 22:40 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 22:34 Achilles wrote:
TBH, Blizzard are the ones in control of the korean proleagues. Don't renew the SC:BW contract with the proleagues, but give them an option for SC2. no all they're doing is holding it hostage because of that retarded IP rights + time slot issue
Holding it hostage they are, retarded it is not.
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On October 08 2010 01:26 Tankbusta wrote:
Why are people complaining about what he wrote? Yes, he didn't delve too deeply into the negotiations going on right now, because there's an entire NDA on it and they're still talking with them.
I will take Blizzard's sterile, indifferent response to a situation they can't openly talk about as opposed to the incredibly one-sided viewpoint you always read in letters from KeSPA.
I call it damage control with all the shit flying around.
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Don't see why people are being negative. What did you guys expect? We learned that there will be pro and SEMI PRO leagues, which is new news at least (I don't think semi pro news has been mentioned).
Seasons coming up, sounds awesome. Chat channels... YES!
Of course it's going to be PR shit, but there is some actual positive content here. I swear some of you live in a fucked up world where you think that Blizzard is just going to release a fantasy letter detailing your deepest thoughts and dreams while being perfectly candid. That's not how the world works.
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In my opinion, the less Blizzard cares about E-sports -- the better.
User was temp banned for this post.
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[B]On October 0808 2010 Show nested quote +We recognize many of you are interested to continue watching StarCraft I matches on TV, and as long as there is interest, we would like to see that continue as well. As GomTV is our exclusive tournament and broadcasting licensee in Korea, I cannot provide too many details about their ongoing negotiations other than to say that I am aware of the status of the negotiations and remain optimistic that these parties will be able to reach agreements that allow this to happen. Contrary to what you may have heard, it would make us very happy to see both StarCraft and StarCraft II matches continue to be televised at the professional level. These are both Blizzard games, after all. This brought warmth to my heart and tears to my eyes.
Its just sad the same cant be said for WC3. Its been a known fact for yeras now. Blizzard really WANTS it to die, there's really no discussion about it. They never bring it up in any discussion or topic, they claimed to be working on a patch for it like 2 months ago but not a single word has been heard since then. All blizzard's focus is on the money-bringing games, old school games of which a lot of players has their passion laid are being completely ignored. Wow, I could even press in D2 in here of which a lot of people has enjoyed over the year. Its the most ignored game of all times basicly, letting hackers rule over all without lifting a finger to help it out. Really blizzard really does nothing that doesnt give them some profit of some kind, which is kinda sad because they already recieve such enormous profits from WoW and SC2 so one could think they could alteast do something for their oldie goldie games but to just let them rot in despair.
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On October 08 2010 01:34 StarStruck wrote:
I call it damage control with all the shit flying around.
Which is something both parties are then guilty of. And again, I prefer the professional response to the sensationalist one KeSPA puts out.
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ACTIVISION*cough*blizz are at it again.
Blizz might care somewhat about the actual esport scene, but Activision (who writes their paychecks) doesn't. They only care about profit margin and monopoly.
This letter is just PR to make the general public feel good about letting Acti*cough*Blizz control everything about SC in Korea, and by proxy, everything esport (SC-wise) around the world.
And oh hey, they're introducing a groundbreaking new feature! Chatrooms! They've only been a standard since 1995. Semi-Pro and Pro league/ladders look interesting, though.
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I stopped reading at We’ve enhanced how custom maps are sorted and viewed I don't think Mike has a clue about what the community actually wants.
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I bet half of the people posting in this thread complaining about Blizzard have SC2 alt-tabbed while doing it. XD
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I stopped reading at
We’ve enhanced how custom maps are sorted and viewed
I don't think Mike has a clue about what the community actually wants.
Actually, the way custom maps are viewed was something that people have been complaining extensively about (on Bnet's forums at least).
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Still no talk about cross-realm play and lan latency <_<
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Please allow us to watch replays together like in BW!! Will make it soo much easier to help friends improve!! But love the idea that channels are coming back!
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On October 08 2010 00:28 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 17:40 Ravloo wrote:On October 07 2010 17:30 Sprouter wrote:Korea is the only region where World of Warcraft players can play StarCraft II for free! holy fuck blizzard really wants korea to play sc2 I think it's the other way around. Korea wants Blizzard to play SC2?
i lol'd
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Canada5565 Posts
Thanks Wax! This is a happy read for me. I hope he is sincere in what he said about BW.
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On October 08 2010 02:21 Whiplash wrote:
Still no talk about cross-realm play and lan latency <_<
Or about adding custom made maps to ladder seasons... aka Iccup.
I'm so sick of Bloodbath Steppes of War.
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And while we’re confident that we’ve released one of the most balanced RTS games ever, perfect balance is a never-ending battle -- and something we will continue to strive for.
Never-ending battle. He said it.
Nonetheless, really looking forward to the new custom maps. I want epic third-person shooters!
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Sure Blizzard rememberd Starcraft BW after only 22 years later and after Kespa managed to creat something out of nothing after corporations like Korea on Air, Shinnan Bank, Samsung put some serius money on a game that in west was long dead. Blizzard only cares how to get the money and nothing else and this 'gentlement' sure has alote of nerve after banning Kespas ips, and doing everyting to creat problems rember to send a letter and welcome the success we all know he will never have.
Well mr stay were you are and out of Korea we know the upcomming league of BW will mutch more stonger that the previus one and we will see better games.
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What does he mean by We realized from the start that players would want to access and use StarCraft II and Battle.net in different ways. That’s why we created a variety of access options to suit different play styles and levels of commitment. Players can choose from multiple time-based passes if they know they’ll play intermittently, or they can choose an unlimited-access pass. is he suggesting that we'll have to pay for bnet?
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On October 07 2010 19:17 abrasion wrote:
You guys realise Mike Morhaime's middle name is actually Matthew?
M/M/M - think about it guys.
LOL, nice one.
Purely political letter for Korea. I didn't see anything we didn't already know.
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On October 08 2010 05:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:What does he mean by Show nested quote +We realized from the start that players would want to access and use StarCraft II and Battle.net in different ways. That’s why we created a variety of access options to suit different play styles and levels of commitment. Players can choose from multiple time-based passes if they know they’ll play intermittently, or they can choose an unlimited-access pass. is he suggesting that we'll have to pay for bnet?
Korea has a different pay system.
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With this letter, I can safely say: BW is not dying, BW is being brutally murdered and Blizzard is being hypocrite about it.
On October 07 2010 22:32 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +We recognize many of you are interested to continue watching StarCraft I matches on TV, and as long as there is interest, we would like to see that continue as well. lol
Yeah, konadora, you said it all.
On October 08 2010 05:25 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 05:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:What does he mean by We realized from the start that players would want to access and use StarCraft II and Battle.net in different ways. That’s why we created a variety of access options to suit different play styles and levels of commitment. Players can choose from multiple time-based passes if they know they’ll play intermittently, or they can choose an unlimited-access pass. is he suggesting that we'll have to pay for bnet? Korea has a different pay system.
Yeah, my version of Star2 is a 6-month one in LA Server. It's sold for R$50 which is $29.70. Will buy the full-time in NA server one day, who knows...
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I have been loath to add my 2 cents worth to all these BW v SC2 type debates and I wouldn'y post this in a BW thread because of all the fanatics but there is one point people seem to be forgetting. BW is a 15 year old game with no ongoing development and it looks like a 15 year old game. It doesn't matter that it is 'perfectly' balanced (if you are a 300APM Korean progamer) that it has a horde of diehard fans in Korean and around the world. The reality is that with no further support the game is DEAD in the long term Sc2 or no Sc2.
Is simply too old and lame looking to attract the next generation of players worldwide. Already it is largely confined to South Korea. Even without SC2 there was no long term future for it.
Just my opinion.
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Has anyone been able to confirm the source? When I try to click on the link provided, it gives me a warning not to go there. Can we please get another source?
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Nevermind! Here is a better source:
Source (you'll have to scroll down, but this confirms this is legit)
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The more I think about it, despite the piece of trash that we've been given in B.Net 2.0 at release, it really seems like if they do continue to support, update, and add new features to it it will actually be a pretty sweet platform in the future.
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Where does everyone get the impression that blizzard is trying to kill broodwar in korea? Please enlighten me.
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I'm just happy he explicitly said they're still interested in making a deal with OGN or MBC, now that would be incredible.
I mean GOM is great and they're doing a wonderful job but SC2 would immediately seem a lot more serious when broadcasted on an actual network.
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This was the guy responsible for the real-id crap? or am i misstaken?
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We’ve enhanced how custom maps are sorted and viewed
That should read fucked up. Custom map organization is a joke. There's no Search to JOIN games? are you kidding me? and popularity is an absolutely ridiculous way to sort 1000s of different game types and games. Plus, if you want to create a map off your own goddamn computer, well prepare to jump through hoops mawfukka! Obviously Actiblizzions idea of 'accessable' and 'improved' are completely disconnected from reality.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
I don't know man....should I believe in this letter or the blog post which was posted on the BW forums..
Everybody hates Blizzard now....T_T
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We continue to receive questions about the status of the negotiations between GomTV and organizations such as KeSPA, OGN, and MBC. We recognize many of you are interested to continue watching StarCraft I matches on TV, and as long as there is interest, we would like to see that continue as well. As GomTV is our exclusive tournament and broadcasting licensee in Korea, I cannot provide too many details about their ongoing negotiations other than to say that I am aware of the status of the negotiations and remain optimistic that these parties will be able to reach agreements that allow this to happen. Contrary to what you may have heard, it would make us very happy to see both StarCraft and StarCraft II matches continue to be televised at the professional level. These are both Blizzard games, after all.
So, this struck me as bullshit. If he's being sincere and Blizzard does want to see Brood War and SC2 co-exist in Korea then why doesn't he just tell Gretech that the KeSPA deal of 3 million won is perfectly acceptable. Why don't they just make it work? It really shouldn't be very hard.
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Osaka27149 Posts
What a completely benign and pointless letter. It is basically an ad for the GSL, a plea to play the game (free for many), and highlighting features that have already been announced. Woo! More facebook social options!
I wonder how many PR nerds this had to go through to become so incredibly vanilla.
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On October 08 2010 13:11 Manifesto7 wrote:
What a completely benign and pointless letter. It is basically an ad for the GSL, a plea to play the game (free for many), and highlighting features that have already been announced. Woo! More facebook social options!
I wonder how many PR nerds this had to go through to become so incredibly vanilla.
Yeah I agree with you Mani, This was nothing but a big ass publicity statement. Lets advertise a little, give the people what they want to hear / keep them interested. And try to make them seem like they are amazing for what they are giving us.
I am not saying its a bad move.. any company would more then likely do what they do. But this letter has no reason to be sent out except for the fact that it is a way to keeping the community on blizzards side.
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rofl it sounds like the president of my country.
He said a bunch of nice things without really committing into anything that we already didn't knew.
So, no real news at all.
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On October 08 2010 13:11 Manifesto7 wrote:
What a completely benign and pointless letter. It is basically an ad for the GSL, a plea to play the game (free for many), and highlighting features that have already been announced. Woo! More facebook social options!
I wonder how many PR nerds this had to go through to become so incredibly vanilla.
I agree too, what a dumbass letter.
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On October 08 2010 02:19 Elevators wrote:
I bet half of the people posting in this thread complaining about Blizzard have SC2 alt-tabbed while doing it. XD
Not me.
I'm boycotting everything Blizzard-related until I'm sure the BW-scene survives! ^__^
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On October 08 2010 06:42 RhodanP wrote:
I have been loath to add my 2 cents worth to all these BW v SC2 type debates and I wouldn'y post this in a BW thread because of all the fanatics but there is one point people seem to be forgetting. BW is a 15 year old game with no ongoing development and it looks like a 15 year old game. It doesn't matter that it is 'perfectly' balanced (if you are a 300APM Korean progamer) that it has a horde of diehard fans in Korean and around the further support th world. The reality is that with noe game is DEAD in the long term Sc2 or no Sc2.
Is simply too old and lame looking to attract the next generation of players worldwide. Already it is largely confined to South Korea. Even without SC2 there was no long term future for it.
Just my opinion.
Would you have been happy if Blizzard instead of releasing SC2 released "Starcraft Broodwar 2010" and simply upgraded the graphics of Starcraft Broodwar to current standard and left everything else exactly the same?
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On October 08 2010 13:11 Manifesto7 wrote:
What a completely benign and pointless letter. It is basically an ad for the GSL, a plea to play the game (free for many), and highlighting features that have already been announced. Woo! More facebook social options!
I wonder how many PR nerds this had to go through to become so incredibly vanilla.
I agree...I actually liked watching GSL1, unlike a lot of hardcore BW fans, but BW still has the #1 place in my heart and Blizzard seems content to let it rot.
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Indeed, this letter is weak sauce.
We will see what the future will bring, words come cheap anyway.
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On October 08 2010 18:13 crazeh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 06:42 RhodanP wrote:
I have been loath to add my 2 cents worth to all these BW v SC2 type debates and I wouldn'y post this in a BW thread because of all the fanatics but there is one point people seem to be forgetting. BW is a 15 year old game with no ongoing development and it looks like a 15 year old game. It doesn't matter that it is 'perfectly' balanced (if you are a 300APM Korean progamer) that it has a horde of diehard fans in Korean and around the further support th world. The reality is that with noe game is DEAD in the long term Sc2 or no Sc2.
Is simply too old and lame looking to attract the next generation of players worldwide. Already it is largely confined to South Korea. Even without SC2 there was no long term future for it.
Just my opinion. Would you have been happy if Blizzard instead of releasing SC2 released "Starcraft Broodwar 2010" and simply upgraded the graphics of Starcraft Broodwar to current standard and left everything else exactly the same?
Yes
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On October 08 2010 18:13 crazeh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 06:42 RhodanP wrote:
I have been loath to add my 2 cents worth to all these BW v SC2 type debates and I wouldn'y post this in a BW thread because of all the fanatics but there is one point people seem to be forgetting. BW is a 15 year old game with no ongoing development and it looks like a 15 year old game. It doesn't matter that it is 'perfectly' balanced (if you are a 300APM Korean progamer) that it has a horde of diehard fans in Korean and around the further support th world. The reality is that with noe game is DEAD in the long term Sc2 or no Sc2.
Is simply too old and lame looking to attract the next generation of players worldwide. Already it is largely confined to South Korea. Even without SC2 there was no long term future for it.
Just my opinion. Would you have been happy if Blizzard instead of releasing SC2 released "Starcraft Broodwar 2010" and simply upgraded the graphics of Starcraft Broodwar to current standard and left everything else exactly the same?
That would of been freaking perfect!
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On October 08 2010 18:13 crazeh wrote:
Would you have been happy if Blizzard instead of releasing SC2 released "Starcraft Broodwar 2010" and simply upgraded the graphics of Starcraft Broodwar to current standard and left everything else exactly the same?
No, SCBR user interface is crap compared to SC2. SC2 allows players to spent their apm on other things rather than tedious macro mechanics.
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The very fact they care about the community to put something like that out makes me happy. Thanks Blizz!
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i dont understand, do we have to pay to play sc2 ??
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Some interesting information, but the rest is fairly typical executive-type stuff. "We're working on it all the time, we will keep working on it all the time."
However, the pro and semi-pro leagues are quite interesting, and that might be the most head-turning information in the whole letter.
Also, I guess they got their answer that, yeah, we really do want chat channels. At least they are listening and are willing to make changes that won't necessarily benefit 90% of players that play SC2. That's awesome.
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Kespas acoplisment can't dublicated in the wester world. The wester players they have fiberoptics they have cables modems, T1 lines, adsl, etc so if they wish to play they do it from their homes when they really have nothing else to do.
This why any attempted in the west will simply fail so Kespa dosn't really need Blizzard and this is the funny part i mean they banned Kespas ips to add one more card in their 'nagotiation' table ? This will lead them nowere. Blizzard must pay Kespa Great deal of money couse the show is in korea and will remain there there is no other way.
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On October 09 2010 03:47 _minimal_ wrote:
Kespas acoplisment can't dublicated in the wester world. The wester players they have fiberoptics they have cables modems, T1 lines, adsl, etc so if they wish to play they do it from their homes when they really have nothing else to do.
This why any attempted in the west will simply fail so Kespa dosn't really need Blizzard and this is the funny part i mean they banned Kespas ips to add one more card in their 'nagotiation' table ? This will lead them nowere. Blizzard must pay Kespa Great deal of money couse the show is in korea and will remain there there is no other way.
I understand that English isn't your primary language, but what you said made no sense Why would Blizzard pay KeSPA royalties because KeSPA is using Blizzard's product?
How does good internet (which Korea has internally) affect the success or failure of an esports league, and how would bad internet connections be beneficial to a larger league?
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I didn't exacly pointed a gun to Blizzards head a bomb will do just fine hehehe in order Sc2 games to be done in Korea i belive Kespas permition is need it so Blizzard Must pay.
This is my hamble opinion.
User was banned for this post.
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Well it's a LOT of Koreans that want another company to take over for kespa, but of course it isn't any other that can take over for atm. -_- Gief a company to handle pro leagues and stuff, so SC:BW could keep going for some more years at least!
KeSPA is the main problem.
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