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Ronaldo wouldn't go to Madrid just for the money and hot chicks. He can get his chicks anywhere and earns bucketloads at Man U already. I would suggest it's more a combination of these factorsÇ
- Madrid is a much nicer place to live than Manchester (nicer city, much better weather)
- He's dreamed of playing there since a kid,
- Smaller language barrier (his english is still horrible), and closer to home.
I actually think it would be great for AC Milan to sell Kaka for 100 mil pounds. Considering you can buy most worldclass players for 25 mil, they could pimp up any section of their team with that money.
And whether a player is ever worth 100 million... well don't forget the value Ronaldo could bring to Real Madrid in terms of club brand and merchandising sales. He's probably the most marketable player in the world at the moment, and Real Madrid isn't really selling Robben shirts in China...
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On January 15 2009 22:10 Spike wrote:wait, what, it's a done deal?
ManC is offering 100m€, and somebody at Milan just stated that Kaka price is 105m€ -__-
ManC vicepresident just stated that they are "selling the future plans of the club to the player."
I think it's on Kaka hands now. U_U
btw, just a remark, ManC payed the 42m€ for Robinho in CASH
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500k a WEEK? Although i don't play football proffesionally, regardless of the clubs status who wouldn't take 500k a week? Thats like 25m a year :|
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On January 16 2009 00:02 warding wrote:
- Madrid is a much nicer place to live than Manchester (nicer city, much better weather)
- He's dreamed of playing there since a kid,
- Smaller language barrier (his english is still horrible), and closer to home.
I completely agree.
The money and chicks thing was just a joke.
+ as I said, he's already accomplished everything an English player can.
Best to leave on a high note and in the prime of your career.
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On January 16 2009 01:36 Spike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 00:02 warding wrote:
- Madrid is a much nicer place to live than Manchester (nicer city, much better weather)
- He's dreamed of playing there since a kid,
- Smaller language barrier (his english is still horrible), and closer to home.
I completely agree. The money and chicks thing was just a joke. + as I said, he's already accomplished everything an English player can. Best to leave on a high note and in the prime of your career.
Why is it acceptable to leave a club on the high note of your career. I'm sorry but some of these world class players have absolutely no loyalty to their clubs anymore. Essentially you are basically saying that these players should come in, play for > 5 years do what they have do to contribute and then move on.
To me that is not what football is. Look at it this way, Messi is probably one of the best players in the world at the moment. He started in Barca youth clubs and worked his way all the way up to the first team. Do you see Messi talking about how he wants to leave Barca because he is probably the best striker in the world, and has helped them to an amazing record and he will be a huge contendor for player of the year this year? Players like that are loyal, and should be commended for it. In fact alot of players on Barca's team are like that.
There are other examples as well (pretty much all the famous Man U players started in the youth programs .. Scholes, Beckham, both Nevilles, etc.) What makes you think that once Robinho comes to your team he will have any loyalty to you? After all, he is basically only at Man City because of the ridiculously awesome deal he got, I'm sure he probably never even would have shown any interest otherwise. The same can be said for when C. Ronaldo goes to Real. There is no loyalty there, and they are playing for the wrong reasons imo.
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On January 16 2009 02:58 kidd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 01:36 Spike wrote:On January 16 2009 00:02 warding wrote:
- Madrid is a much nicer place to live than Manchester (nicer city, much better weather)
- He's dreamed of playing there since a kid,
- Smaller language barrier (his english is still horrible), and closer to home.
I completely agree. The money and chicks thing was just a joke. + as I said, he's already accomplished everything an English player can. Best to leave on a high note and in the prime of your career. Why is it acceptable to leave a club on the high note of your career. I'm sorry but some of these world class players have absolutely no loyalty to their clubs anymore. Essentially you are basically saying that these players should come in, play for > 5 years do what they have do to contribute and then move on. To me that is not what football is. Look at it this way, Messi is probably one of the best players in the world at the moment. He started in Barca youth clubs and worked his way all the way up to the first team. Do you see Messi talking about how he wants to leave Barca because he is probably the best striker in the world, and has helped them to an amazing record and he will be a huge contendor for player of the year this year? Players like that are loyal, and should be commended for it. In fact alot of players on Barca's team are like that. There are other examples as well (pretty much all the famous Man U players started in the youth programs .. Scholes, Beckham, both Nevilles, etc.) What makes you think that once Robinho comes to your team he will have any loyalty to you? After all, he is basically only at Man City because of the ridiculously awesome deal he got, I'm sure he probably never even would have shown any interest otherwise. The same can be said for when C. Ronaldo goes to Real. There is no loyalty there, and they are playing for the wrong reasons imo.
I think Ronaldo will stay as long as Ferguson is at Man.U
He'd be pretty stupid to leave in the summer. He has the chance to be a United legend, he could even become the best player they have ever had. It's not worth throwing that away.
Plus players often play worse when they switch clubs.
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On January 16 2009 00:02 warding wrote:
Ronaldo wouldn't go to Madrid just for the money and hot chicks. He can get his chicks anywhere and earns bucketloads at Man U already. I would suggest it's more a combination of these factorsÇ
- Madrid is a much nicer place to live than Manchester (nicer city, much better weather)
- He's dreamed of playing there since a kid,
- Smaller language barrier (his english is still horrible), and closer to home.
I actually think it would be great for AC Milan to sell Kaka for 100 mil pounds. Considering you can buy most worldclass players for 25 mil, they could pimp up any section of their team with that money.
And whether a player is ever worth 100 million... well don't forget the value Ronaldo could bring to Real Madrid in terms of club brand and merchandising sales. He's probably the most marketable player in the world at the moment, and Real Madrid isn't really selling Robben shirts in China...
thats the main reason.
btw didn't Ferguson said he will quit as a manger if Ronaldo left?
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On January 16 2009 02:58 kidd wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Why is it acceptable to leave a club on the high note of your career. I'm sorry but some of these world class players have absolutely no loyalty to their clubs anymore. Essentially you are basically saying that these players should come in, play for > 5 years do what they have do to contribute and then move on.
To me that is not what football is. Look at it this way, Messi is probably one of the best players in the world at the moment. He started in Barca youth clubs and worked his way all the way up to the first team. Do you see Messi talking about how he wants to leave Barca because he is probably the best striker in the world, and has helped them to an amazing record and he will be a huge contendor for player of the year this year? Players like that are loyal, and should be commended for it. In fact alot of players on Barca's team are like that.
There are other examples as well (pretty much all the famous Man U players started in the youth programs .. Scholes, Beckham, both Nevilles, etc.) What makes you think that once Robinho comes to your team he will have any loyalty to you? After all, he is basically only at Man City because of the ridiculously awesome deal he got, I'm sure he probably never even would have shown any interest otherwise. The same can be said for when C. Ronaldo goes to Real. There is no loyalty there, and they are playing for the wrong reasons imo.
All I meant was that if he wants to leave anyway, doing it during his prime is better than waiting.
Obviously, I wasn't raised steeped in football tradition so the whole loyalty thing doesn't reach me.
Would be it awesome if players were loyal to their team? Yes.
Commended even? Yes.
But if they weren't, I wouldn't lose sleep over it.
As a fan, as long as you work hard and perform that's all I ask for.
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On January 16 2009 05:48 Spike wrote:
All I meant was that if he wants to leave anyway, doing it during his prime is better than waiting.
And honestly speaking, I wasn't raised steeped in football tradition so the whole loyalty thing doesn't reach me.
Would be it awesome if players were loyal to their team? Yes.
Commended even? Yes.
But if they weren't, I wouldn't lose sleep over it.
As a fan, as long as you work hard and perform that's all I ask for.
Fans don't mind if players move to a better club.
But Real Madrid isn't a better club than Man.U
I'm a Bristol Rovers supporter and I don't care if our players get the chance to play for a championship club and leave, that's fair enough.
But if they leave for another club in the same division it's like a massive kick in the balls.
So we trained you up and made you famous... now you're just going to leave. The fans will never respect them again.
There's no doubt in my mind that Ronaldo would not be the player he is today if he wasn't scouted by Man.U.
Seeing him in his first games he looked pretty dreadful, losing possession ALL the time. In fact loads of people in the UK were making fun of him. All he would do is step overs then fall over. But Ferguson stuck with him regardless.
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I hear what you're saying, but meh, I guess I'm desensitized by American sports.
It's not like he's moving to a true rival.
I've always been of the mindset of that, if people want to move on, let them move on. Disappointing? Yes, of course.
eh, don't know, not too coherent at the moment.
The fans will never respect them again
Is this even a problem? I've always been told that even ManU fans don't like him all that much 
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related question is, should clubs be expected to be loyal to their players?
In an environment where most clubs buy and sell players without any regard to how 'loyal' a player has been, why should players be expected to have any loyalty to their clubs?
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On January 16 2009 06:21 Waxangel wrote:
related question is, should clubs be expected to be loyal to their players?
In an environment where most clubs buy and sell players without any regard to how 'loyal' a player has been, why should players be expected to have any loyalty to their clubs?
Thats a very nice point. This reminds me of Tevez, who continuously shows his loyalty to Man.U and desire to stay on interviews and on the pitch. Yet Ferguson/the club is analizing possibilities to sell him.
I guess in the football industry the players themselves know that that is how the system works and that this is a huge business , When they don't perform well, they get shipped out for the benefit of the team.
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On January 16 2009 02:58 kidd wrote:
There are other examples as well (pretty much all the famous Man U players started in the youth programs .. Scholes, Beckham, both Nevilles, etc.)
Uhm...
Rooney, Ronaldo, Nistelrooy, Schmeichel, Roy Keane, Cantona, Denis Irwin, Denis Law didn't start in the Man U youth programs.
Ronaldo has nothing to do with the city of Manchester, and I dont see a guy like him getting along personally with any Man Utd fan. He may have a personal loyalty towards Sir Alex Ferguson but doesn't owe one to Man Utd.
Of course ManU fans may be disappointed that he doesn't aim become a United legend (although one could argue he already is). I think it may be better for football in general if he tries his luck at Real, though. Of all the FIFA world player of the year winners, only Cannavaro and Lothar Matthaus have ever stayed at one club for longer than CR has stayed at Man U.
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On January 16 2009 05:56 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 05:48 Spike wrote:
All I meant was that if he wants to leave anyway, doing it during his prime is better than waiting.
And honestly speaking, I wasn't raised steeped in football tradition so the whole loyalty thing doesn't reach me.
Would be it awesome if players were loyal to their team? Yes.
Commended even? Yes.
But if they weren't, I wouldn't lose sleep over it.
As a fan, as long as you work hard and perform that's all I ask for.
Fans don't mind if players move to a better club. But Real Madrid isn't a better club than Man.U I'm a Bristol Rovers supporter and I don't care if our players get the chance to play for a championship club and leave, that's fair enough. But if they leave for another club in the same division it's like a massive kick in the balls. So we trained you up and made you famous... now you're just going to leave. The fans will never respect them again. There's no doubt in my mind that Ronaldo would not be the player he is today if he wasn't scouted by Man.U. Seeing him in his first games he looked pretty dreadful, losing possession ALL the time. In fact loads of people in the UK were making fun of him. All he would do is step overs then fall over. But Ferguson stuck with him regardless.
eh to be fair his debut was awesome and although he couldn't emulate it for a long time, it was obvious he had massive potential but just needed to actually create chances rather than do stepovers
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On January 16 2009 06:12 Spike wrote:I hear what you're saying, but meh, I guess I'm desensitized by American sports. It's not like he's moving to a true rival. I've always been of the mindset of that, if people want to move on, let them move on. Disappointing? Yes, of course. eh, don't know, not too coherent at the moment. Is this even a problem? I've always been told that even ManU fans don't like him all that much
ManU fans LOVE him, I love him, I watched his debut on live TV and have been tracking his progress ever since. I am aware that a lot of non man utd fans dislike him for diving, appearing arrogant, etc. But I'm positive that 100% of all Man Utd supporters love him despite the Real saga in the summer and influencing the ref to give Rooney a red, etc.
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O...M...GOD how much money does Man City fucking have? They've upped the Kaka bid to a reported 120 million euros, which amounts to a 271 million euro bill for city (wages, agents, etc.). And this is for ONLY ONE GODDAMN PLAYER, wtf would you pay that much for anybody? Plus, theres no guarantee Man City will do well after this signing.
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On January 16 2009 12:08 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
O...M...GOD how much money does Man City fucking have? They've upped the Kaka bid to a reported 120 million euros, which amounts to a 271 million euro bill for city (wages, agents, etc.). And this is for ONLY ONE GODDAMN PLAYER, wtf would you pay that much for anybody? Plus, theres no guarantee Man City will do well after this signing.
lol just read that too, now thats getting arrogant, I wouldn't pay for the whole fuking Brasilian National team more than 200 euros.
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Milan just stated that acepted ManC start talking with Kaka T_T
this is insane, he is 27, he has 3 or 4 years at his prime, they are gonna pay 70 millions for year!
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On January 16 2009 12:15 ilj.psa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2009 12:08 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
O...M...GOD how much money does Man City fucking have? They've upped the Kaka bid to a reported 120 million euros, which amounts to a 271 million euro bill for city (wages, agents, etc.). And this is for ONLY ONE GODDAMN PLAYER, wtf would you pay that much for anybody? Plus, theres no guarantee Man City will do well after this signing. lol just read that too, now thats getting arrogant, I wouldn't pay for the whole fuking Brasilian National team more than 200 euros.
Why not ? If u can afford it and u could win trophies ? Or atleast get titlecontender team.
How much money they have. I dunno. The owners r "Abu Dhabi United Group for Development and Investment" so I would think that they have quite much :D.
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Calderon, Real Madrid general manager has resigned. Elections this summer (so get ready for the signings shit storm).
He resigned because a recent scandal during an assembly where fake shareholders voted to approve his management, accounts, etc.
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