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Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
September 05 2008 09:32 GMT
#261
There's a few up and coming players in germany that are actually technically gifted. Marko Marin is absolutely amazing and so is Toni Kroos.
Here's a video of Marin, I'd suggest you to turn off the sound tho - the music is annoying.
kroko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland2136 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-05 09:59:37
September 05 2008 09:59 GMT
#262
On September 05 2008 17:53 Liquid`Drone wrote:
it is a fact that some nationalities perform better at penalty shootouts than others
germans always win, brazilians are awesome at shooting penalties but dont have as good anti-penalty GKs, england and holland traditionally suck, portugal has done well but thats cause ricardo is a great penalty GK.. I think penalty shootouts are awesome and the by far best way to decide who advances, but it's not like one team is better than another because they play 1-1 and one team wins at a penalty shootout.. and I mean, normally a team gets to play what, one penalty shootout every 4 year or something on average if they are one of the best teams who always advance past the groupstage.. it doesnt really give you a big enough sample size to decide on anything.

12 games on euro qualifation big enough sample size to decide anything ?

Also when does good luck evolve into skill and bad luck into non-skill ?

I mean 42 years of bad luck is kinda big sample size....
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 05 2008 10:12 GMT
#263
On September 05 2008 18:32 Mandalor wrote:
There's a few up and coming players in germany that are actually technically gifted. Marko Marin is absolutely amazing and so is Toni Kroos.
Here's a video of Marin, I'd suggest you to turn off the sound tho - the music is annoying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvPZUziD3Go&feature=related


bought him in fm
Aerox
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Malaysia1213 Posts
September 05 2008 13:38 GMT
#264
On September 05 2008 18:30 SoMuchBetter wrote:
penaltys are great for their excitement factor but they really are a poor method of deciding who advances.

i hear that blatter wants to remove penalty shootouts from the next world cup, and one of the ideas is to have the shootout performed before extra time, so that if by the end of extra time the scores are level, the penaltys decide the winner. however if a team wins extra time, they win the match regardless of the shootout results.

That is a great idea! I hope they implement this.
"Eyes in the sky."
TonyL2
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
England1953 Posts
September 05 2008 14:19 GMT
#265
Hmm I've always just liked having the penalty shootout to decide it because they've already had an extra 30 minutes to kill the game but couldn't.

For the England team I want the young player to be given more of a chance, Ashley Young, Walcott, Bentley, Agbonlahor and so on. They're promising but haven't had enough opportunities because not all of them play for the big 4.
white_box921
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United Kingdom967 Posts
September 05 2008 14:57 GMT
#266
I love penalty, but England penalty shootout = just forfeit. The most memorable moment is Carragher got sent on in extra time to take a penalty, scored before the whistle, then fucked up.
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
September 05 2008 15:03 GMT
#267
every international tournament should be decided solely by penalty shootouts
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28673 Posts
September 05 2008 16:08 GMT
#268
england sucked in the qualification, but I said england during eriksson did not perform badly. they were eliminated either by brazil or in penalty shootout (twice vs portugal) in the three championships during his reign. during mcclaren it was an entirely different thing, they outright blew then.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28673 Posts
September 05 2008 16:28 GMT
#269
as for penalty shootouts, almost no player through history (I honestly cannot think of any, maybe ricardo or some other gk tho.) have participated in more than two penalty shootouts for his national team.. although england has sucked in penalty shootouts the last 40 years and say, germany has done really well in penalty shootouts the last 40 years, considering the player base is constantly changing it's really hard to say whether this is a coincidence or if there's something about the mentality.. there just aren't enough penalty shootouts for there to be a clear answer to this.

english players do probably have more pressure than players from any other european country though so it might just be harder because of that.
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Ra.Xor.2
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1784 Posts
September 05 2008 20:17 GMT
#270
Penalty's need to be changed, simple as that. They are a horrible way of determining a game, as they are it is almost completely a lottery. Putting a penalty shootout before extra time may help, but it would just make the game much more predictable as one team will attack and the other will counter.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28673 Posts
September 05 2008 20:49 GMT
#271
penalty before extra time sounds crappy to me.. they don't need to be changed, people just need to realize, and accept, that whomever wins is not necessarily best, and that the main purpose is thus entertainment, not "declearing the proper winner"

leagues show who the best team is, tournaments/championships do not.
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ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
September 05 2008 20:51 GMT
#272
I think they should keep the Penalty shootouts, keeps the excitement in football overall, and thats what people who watch football like, being entertained.
It would be a bad idea for them to change the order of extra time-penalties imo.
Imagine a world cup final , where team A wins penalty shootout and B loses.
It would be obvious that the team A would play defensively the entire extra time, this would lower the quality of the " most hyped game in the world cup" by a lot
Telemako
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Spain1636 Posts
September 05 2008 21:26 GMT
#273
On September 06 2008 00:03 Carnac wrote:
every international tournament should be decided solely by penalty shootouts


r u serious? O_o Penalty shootouts are the anti-football T_T
I've been around since it all started, and it feels good
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
September 06 2008 10:14 GMT
#274
Looking at my country I deemed this a good enough joke
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
September 06 2008 10:20 GMT
#275
If you dont have a penalty shootout it will all be about stamina and who makes the first mistake or is too aggressive and so on..

i think its fine the way it is
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TonyL2
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
England1953 Posts
September 06 2008 11:12 GMT
#276
England vs Andorra tonight, should be able to come out on top.

Also just a little bit of fun, BBC have a "Pick your England 11", http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/3914143.stm

They have this at every international England game, but I'm bored

So, the squad that I'd play is:

+ Show Spoiler +
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Shame, that Ferdinand is injured
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
September 06 2008 11:25 GMT
#277
On September 06 2008 19:20 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
If you dont have a penalty shootout it will all be about stamina and who makes the first mistake or is too aggressive and so on..

i think its fine the way it is


as opposed to it being 3 parts luck 1 part nerves?
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28673 Posts
September 06 2008 13:21 GMT
#278
i dont think a penalty shootout is the ideal way to declare a winner, but it seems far far better than neverending extra time, which would be the only alternative..
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white_box921
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United Kingdom967 Posts
September 06 2008 13:24 GMT
#279
On September 06 2008 20:25 SoMuchBetter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2008 19:20 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
If you dont have a penalty shootout it will all be about stamina and who makes the first mistake or is too aggressive and so on..

i think its fine the way it is


as opposed to it being 3 parts luck 1 part nerves?


I don't aggree that penalty is base on luck. It is no coincidence that some country (team) always does well and some screw up badly.
ryung70
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Germany227 Posts
September 06 2008 13:39 GMT
#280
i liked the american variation.
American experiments

The North American Soccer League in the 1970s and then Major League Soccer in the 1990s experimented with a variation of the shootout procedure.

Instead of a straight penalty kick, the shootout started 35 yards from the goal and having five seconds to attempt a shot. The player could make as many moves as he could in a breakaway situation in the five seconds, then attempt a shot. This procedure is similar to that used in an ice hockey penalty shot. As with a standard shootout, this variation used a best-of-five-kicks model, and if the score was still level, the tiebreaker would head to an extra round of one attempt per team.

This format rewarded player skills, as players were able to attempt to fake out goalkeepers in an attempt to make the shot, as in a one-on-one skills contest.

The MLS abandoned this experiment in 2000.

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