EPT2008-2009 football(soccer) thread - Page 12
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
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Ra.Xor.2
United States1784 Posts
On September 03 2008 08:01 ilj.psa wrote: well its not all about the money, im sure even if Man.City becomes the richest team in the world (this guy is 10x richer than Abramovich) the player will want to play for Real or Barcelona, because of the club's history. Did Chelsea have much of a history before Abramovich bought it? Man City will attract players, because as you have seen with Berbatov, Robinho, and Ronaldo, the vast majority are money whores. Thus City will become one of the new elite teams, probably taking Liverpools place in the Top 4. | ||
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drift0ut
United Kingdom691 Posts
On September 03 2008 07:57 Raidern wrote: a company or guy comes and buys the players representing X company. They buy the players (in the name of X), and "lend" the players to the teams. After sometime they sell the players for a much higher price (usually) than the price they paid for. It has happened with a big brazilian club, they bought a lot of players [...] and then they took them all out, one by one. After that the team went from National league champion to the 2nd division of the league. I'm pretty sure that's not how it works (right now) in the euro leagues, the team owns all the rights to the players not the company/agency. The talent can't leave without permission unless they break a contract or wait until the end of their current contract. I am worried about what will happen if the owner pulls out and takes his money with him. I think chelsea might be big enough worldwide now to survive but man city will be on dangerous ground for a few years. At least man city (my team) aren't owed by a corrupt politician any more. | ||
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drift0ut
United Kingdom691 Posts
On September 03 2008 08:54 Ra.Xor.2 wrote: Did Chelsea have much of a history before Abramovich bought it? Man City will attract players, because as you have seen with Berbatov, Robinho, and Ronaldo, the vast majority are money whores. Thus City will become one of the new elite teams, probably taking Liverpools place in the Top 4. Very true, but i can't see man city winning back to back premierships and real/barca are still the magic teams to kids growing up in Spain (and spanish speaking countries?). Also what's Berbatov done wrong? if you mean leaving spurs for man u i don't see a problem with this as man u have a much bigger rep than spurs, he prolly just wants to play champions league football. I haven't followed it closely tho, has he really been an ass? i love wiki sometimes: #1 queens park rangers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richest_football_clubs］ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richest_football_clubs[/url] | ||
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Telemako
Spain1636 Posts
Interesting chart. ManU is the richest but Real has slightly bigger incomes. I'm quite afraid about the massive investors issue, and if I were british I will be more about my teams. Maybe here is coming a decade of top players with all that money but they are going to get tired of spending money and not making any, and it will destroy the Premier. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Dhabi_United_Group the Abu Dhabi group is worth a total of $800 billion, they can just straight out buy manchester united all together, no need for targetting individual players. | ||
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
edit: jesus christ, they actually have the money to buy the top 25 richest football clubs in the world...wtf | ||
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white_box921
United Kingdom967 Posts
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fbs
United Kingdom2476 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.goalcentre.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/we-are-richer-than-you1.jpg) QPR Chelsea cup game last season, when QPR was bought over you could put bets on them winning the Champions League within 5 years, they haven't spent anything yet though cheap bastards | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
http://www.epltalk.com/who-is-abu-dhabi-united-group/3069 | ||
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Ra.Xor.2
United States1784 Posts
I think that the Abu Dhabi group is gonna be way different. Unlike Chelsea who was bought by a single owner, an entire group bought Man City. They may lose some money in the first couple years investing in players, but i think their looking more to turn a profit. | ||
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TonyL2
England1953 Posts
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mAKiTO
Colombia4171 Posts
Salary caps would totally ruin futbol for Gods sake look at the MLS what a Piece of trash. I am actually happy that Man city are owned by a big group now, exiting to see a new powerhose in the making. Hopefully they get good talent recruiter so they buy players that are really worth it and work together with the coach. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28790 Posts
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warding
Portugal2395 Posts
Why not? It's assumed by many (i.e. Platini, Blatter) that there's too much money in football, esp in the Premier League, and that it's a bad thing. But at the same time isn't football as popular as ever now, and isn't the Premier League the most exciting league in the world? A lot of brits support their own local teams and take pride in not being a "plastic fan" of Chelsea or United. Some say they rather have their club stay in League One or whatever instead of making it big, Well fuck me, but that's not loving football, that's mere regionalistic pride. Football is about seeing the best players battle it out on the pitch, making dazzling plays and scoring breathtaking goals. Beautiful football is Ronaldo, Berbatov. Rooney vs Robinho, Wright Phillips, Elano vs Torres, Gerrard vs Deco, Drogba, Lampard vs RVP, Fabregas, Nasri. Not Yeovil Town vs Leyton Orient. Imagine a Premiership full of English players again. Dear god... mAKITO I'm not sure whether salary caps in the MLS is a bad thing, in their context. I think that the MLS system is appropriate in the US where football is still trying to break in and gain popularity, and that has to be a collective effort of the league. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On September 04 2008 06:47 Ra.Xor.2 wrote: You know, Abramovich may be a rich bastard but i have respect for him. The reason?, because he cares for the game. He has lost tons more money on Chelsea than he has gained, caring instead for making the greatest club in the world and watching them play. He personally watches half the Chelsea games and talks a lot with the players. Hell, half the owners of the EPL clubs don't even come to 10 games during the season. I think that the Abu Dhabi group is gonna be way different. Unlike Chelsea who was bought by a single owner, an entire group bought Man City. They may lose some money in the first couple years investing in players, but i think their looking more to turn a profit. Then they are stupid because it's nearly impossible to build a successful football club and make money at the same time. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On September 04 2008 23:06 warding wrote: "it shouldnt be possible to make a club the best in the world in two seasons.. " Why not? It's assumed by many (i.e. Platini, Blatter) that there's too much money in football, esp in the Premier League, and that it's a bad thing. But at the same time isn't football as popular as ever now, and isn't the Premier League the most exciting league in the world? A lot of brits support their own local teams and take pride in not being a "plastic fan" of Chelsea or United. Some say they rather have their club stay in League One or whatever instead of making it big, Well fuck me, but that's not loving football, that's mere regionalistic pride. Football is about seeing the best players battle it out on the pitch, making dazzling plays and scoring breathtaking goals. Beautiful football is Ronaldo, Berbatov. Rooney vs Robinho, Wright Phillips, Elano vs Torres, Gerrard vs Deco, Drogba, Lampard vs RVP, Fabregas, Nasri. Not Yeovil Town vs Leyton Orient. Imagine a Premiership full of English players again. Dear god... mAKITO I'm not sure whether salary caps in the MLS is a bad thing, in their context. I think that the MLS system is appropriate in the US where football is still trying to break in and gain popularity, and that has to be a collective effort of the league. Well as a foreign fan I have no problems with it. But British people believe money stunts the growth of homegrown players thus making English football suck as a whole, which is definitely something worth complaining about. That and rich clubs inflate the salary and transfer fees of players too much so that it widens the gap even more between rich and poor clubs, so your leeds will never ever make it to the champions league again unless they get a billionaire owner. | ||
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TonyL2
England1953 Posts
On September 04 2008 23:06 warding wrote: Beautiful football is Ronaldo, Berbatov. Rooney vs Robinho, Wright Phillips, Elano vs Torres, Gerrard vs Deco, Drogba, Lampard vs RVP, Fabregas, Nasri. I like how Liverpool only have 2 aces written there, because they completely rely on them and with both being injured, they've got a tough season ahead. Even living in England, I like that there is a load of professional superstars coming to England. I was annoyed when all the most famous players such as Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo (Brazilian), Ronaldinho, Kaka and so on were almost exclusively in Real Madrid, Barcelona and Milan. All this history stuff is nonsense, seeing as most teams have a long history. There is that problem that the less amount of english players has probably been the reason why England's national team is so bad, but there are some quality players that the Premiership still have that can make a good team, and it's obvious that it's not just our players themselves that's the problem, but overall. | ||
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