2008 US Presidential Election - Page 94
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
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Savio
United States1850 Posts
On October 03 2008 11:13 BalliSLife wrote: Right, then it's people like mccain that determines who freakin dies right? because media is used to persuade the general public into voting for someone like bush and mc cain, by telling people it's alright, we're winning when its completely obvious this is a losing war. The change in deaths coincided with the surge and the change in strategy imposed by General Petraeus. So yes, policy makers and generals DO affect the number of deaths because they can contribute to success or failure. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On October 03 2008 11:32 Savio wrote: She had a better closing statement. really? I thought her closing statements was one her worst answers | ||
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Empyrean
17015 Posts
On October 03 2008 11:38 fusionsdf wrote: really? I thought her closing statements was one her worst answers Honestly the answer she gave right before her actual closing statement sounded like a closing statement. | ||
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BalliSLife
1339 Posts
On October 03 2008 11:37 Savio wrote: The change in deaths coincided with the surge and the change in strategy imposed by General Petraeus. So yes, policy makers and generals DO affect the number of deaths because they can contribute to success or failure. Yet you support the very same people who send troops to die, goodjob. Can't wait to see what you have to say about my post on gay marriage tomorrow | ||
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Savio
United States1850 Posts
On October 03 2008 11:38 fusionsdf wrote: really? I thought her closing statements was one her worst answers That wasn't my impression. When she was talking about how McCain is the only man on either ticket who had actually ever fought for the American people, I thought that connected well and fulfilled a VP's role in a debate. Biden's closing statement was not as good as his lines during the debate. Overall Verdict: 1. Unlike the McCain/Obama debate which I thought was a draw, I think that Biden did a better job overall. They both had high points but he was consistent. 2. She did better here than during her press interviews. That alone will help the ticket. Since no disaster occured the real meat of the campaign can start. I'm out for the night. Laters! | ||
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OGzan
United States289 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On October 03 2008 09:54 Savio wrote: You guys might not like this, but in my opinion, the economy is pretty dang independent of politics. The economy of the US is a behemoth and the government is a small part of it. Its true that economic growth can be stimulated by tax cuts (the GOP talking points), but it is ALSO true that it is stimulated by increased government spending (democrats talking points). I don't believe that the differences between the two are very significant. Now, as far as things like this bailout (stabilizing some large institutions) I don't know much about that, that falls more under finance than economics. I don't think that Presidents have profound effects on the economy. However, McCain does favor lower taxes on businesses and that seems like it would better allow our companies to compete in the world market. McCain also favors limiting the scope of government involvement in the economy. I support that. But MOST OF ALL, as far as economic reasons that I support McCain, is that more than any other politician in Washington, he has fought and continues to fight wasteful government spending. I am disappointed with both President Bush and the Republican Congress for completely abandoning all pretenses to fiscal restraint and behaving like a bunch of democrats. It used to be that the GOP was all about fiscal responsibility and restraining government, but in the last 8 years, it seems that they just became another democratic party of big spenders. McCain has been fighting this and refused pork spending his entire career. He has also committed (and only he has the clout to say this) to vetoing every bill that contains pork regardless of whether it was for democrats or republicans. But I support McCain for many other reasons besides economic reasons. I do always vote pro-life, I own several guns and I don't want guns and ammo taxes increased 500% as Obama supports (this is true as verified by factcheck.org), and I do trust McCain's experience, knowledge and judgement more than Obama's on military and foreign affairs. So there you have it. You say that politics is independent of economics (which is flatly untrue) but then you go on to say you support McCain on economics because of his push to cut pork barrel spending. Honestly, read some of the stuff you're saying. You're like a nicer version of Sean Hannity. Pork barrel spending accounts for an insignificant amount of our deficit. Tax cuts and military expenditures account for over 80% of our deficit, and are truly what have caused this massive national debt. Not Medicare, not education, not science (lol), not social security. http://www.cbpp.org/9-12-08bud.htm | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On October 03 2008 09:59 Savio wrote: Right now, there are 5 justices that feel they can "interpret" the constitution and that it is a living document. 4 are more originalist. John Paul Stevens is a liberal justice who is 88 years old. You cannot say that this is not important. Appointing the next justice will almost surely be the most important thing the president does. And it is permanent! Tax policy can always just be undone by the next president. YOU SELECT JUDGES BASED ON JUDICIAL LEANING, NOT SOCIAL LEANING. YOU SELECT JUDGES BASED ON JUDICIAL LEANING, NOT SOCIAL LEANING. YOU SELECT JUDGES BASED ON JUDICIAL LEANING, NOT SOCIAL LEANING. YOU SELECT JUDGES BASED ON JUDICIAL LEANING, NOT SOCIAL LEANING. YOU SELECT JUDGES BASED ON JUDICIAL LEANING, NOT SOCIAL LEANING. YOU SELECT JUDGES BASED ON JUDICIAL LEANING, NOT SOCIAL LEANING. | ||
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wswordsmen
United States987 Posts
On October 03 2008 11:58 Jibba wrote: You say that politics is independent of economics (which is flatly untrue) but then you go on to say you support McCain on economics because of his push to cut pork barrel spending. Honestly, read some of the stuff you're saying. You're like a nicer version of Sean Hannity. Pork barrel spending accounts for an insignificant amount of our deficit. Tax cuts and military expenditures account for over 80% of our deficit, and are truly what have caused this massive national debt. Not Medicare, not education, not science (lol), not social security. http://www.cbpp.org/9-12-08bud.htm Debt=/= Deficit The $20 you have in your wallet adds to the debt, it doesn't add to the deficit, I don't know much about it but it does look like you confused the 2. That said you are right pork is small relative to other factors in the deficit. | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
Its a ridiculous combination of deception and naivety. Either she really thinks that dictators really do hate our freedom and that is what compels them to act the way they do, revealing a childish grasp of foreign affairs, or she realizes that what is coming out of her mouth is bullshit, which is worse because it means she has no intention of honestly engaging the American public about foreign affairs, and we've seen how that's worked out in the last 8 years (especially since in addition to appropriating the ridiculous populous language of Bush, she is an ardent supporter of his doctrine, which isn't the way to get back into the world's good graces) | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On October 03 2008 11:37 Savio wrote: No, it coincided with the Sunni leaders. McCain even said that. The Anbar Awakening started well before the surge was implemented.The change in deaths coincided with the surge and the change in strategy imposed by General Petraeus. So yes, policy makers and generals DO affect the number of deaths because they can contribute to success or failure. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On October 03 2008 12:06 wswordsmen wrote: Debt=/= Deficit The $20 you have in your wallet adds to the debt, it doesn't add to the deficit, I don't know much about it but it does look like you confused the 2. That said you are right pork is small relative to other factors in the deficit. Read the study. They're accounting for 82% of our current deficit and they have accounted for over 80% of our debt over the past 7 years. | ||
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ScarFace
United States1175 Posts
On October 03 2008 12:06 GeneralStan wrote: You are right of course, Muslim extremists who repeatedly state that Women should not be treated as equals, but subject to male domination, that freedom of speech and slander against Allah should be punishable by death, that democracy is sacrilegious, that they find the entire Western political and social structure abhorrent and an affront to Allah, do not really hate our freedom. It's an elaborate facade you see. The most notable Palin statement was where she mentioned that "Crazy dictators hate our freedom, our equal rights, our women's rights" (paraphrased until I get a transcript). Its a ridiculous combination of deception and naivety. Either she really thinks that dictators really do hate our freedom and that is what compels them to act the way they do, revealing a childish grasp of foreign affairs, or she realizes that what is coming out of her mouth is bullshit, which is worse because it means she has no intention of honestly engaging the American public about foreign affairs, and we've seen how that's worked out in the last 8 years (especially since in addition to appropriating the ridiculous populous language of Bush, she is an ardent supporter of his doctrine, which isn't the way to get back into the world's good graces) Idiot. | ||
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useLess
United States4781 Posts
On October 03 2008 11:37 Savio wrote: The change in deaths coincided with the surge and the change in strategy imposed by General Petraeus. So yes, policy makers and generals DO affect the number of deaths because they can contribute to success or failure. well, just to inject a different point of view: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Satellite_images_show_ethnic_cleansing_source_0919.html summary: the US surge wasnt necessarily or completely responsible for the reduce in Iraq violence | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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ScarFace
United States1175 Posts
On October 03 2008 12:20 useLess wrote: Are you really that god damn stupid? You are relying on a fucking satellite picture to somehow prove that there has been ethnic cleansing? Which just so happened to magically, luckily, coincide with the surge? Holy fucking shit, some liberals will find any theory eh?well, just to inject a different point of view: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Satellite_images_show_ethnic_cleansing_source_0919.html summary: the US surge wasnt necessarily or completely responsible for the reduce in Iraq violence | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
I urge you republicans, vote with your brains, not with your hearts. | ||
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Flaccid
8850 Posts
Thanks for nothing, thundercunt. SHE NEVER SAYS ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE!!! Are people this fucking dumb? Are these the answers they want? Do they not question anything? I DONT FUCKING GET IT. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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