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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
June 27 2008 14:02 GMT
#61
Anyway, regardless of how you feel on the issue of pay to play tournaments I think everyone can agree that having sit n go format tournaments going every hour of the day would be awesome (free ones or otherwise)?

In addition, having within the bnet interface the option to create and host your own tournament (private or public) would be absolutely golden.
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homeless_guy
Profile Joined June 2005
United States321 Posts
June 27 2008 14:45 GMT
#62
Obviously some players will always find ways to hack. The only way to play hack free in by playing on "safe" servers or among friends. That said many or even most people play on public servers so hacking is a real issue for them. What steps is Blizzard planning on taking to curb hacking?
Constantinius
Profile Joined June 2008
United States64 Posts
June 27 2008 14:55 GMT
#63
Why couldn't you have these automated tournaments with lots of different variables you could modify, like an ELO rating? Just specify only "level 5-10" players on BNet or some other qualifier and you're done. I'm sure the dev team would give us that option if considering it.
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MrRammstein
Profile Joined May 2008
Poland339 Posts
June 27 2008 18:52 GMT
#64
On June 27 2008 23:55 Constantinius wrote:
Why couldn't you have these automated tournaments with lots of different variables you could modify, like an ELO rating? Just specify only "level 5-10" players on BNet or some other qualifier and you're done. I'm sure the dev team would give us that option if considering it.

yeah if this would be for money ;P just don't let to enter guys without big enough amount of games played. If prizes would be small enough there wouldn't be much ppl wanting to create stats of 300-500? games to win 25-100$ and even after that they can be banned from such a weaker tournaments as being "too good"
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shimmy
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Poland997 Posts
June 27 2008 21:07 GMT
#65
On June 27 2008 22:06 BlackStar wrote:
There is going to be so much abuse. The top players are going to form a cartel. They enter one at a time into one of those tournaments so they have a free win and don't steal money from each other. Stuff like that.


I loled.
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SlickR12345
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Macedonia408 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-27 21:52:01
June 27 2008 21:50 GMT
#66
whats this nonsense about fees and stuff?
No one should pay for entering a tournament, that is proven to be downhill of every sport, game, league, whatever.
Sponsors are what provide money for leagues and in return they get big coverage.
In huge costly sports we see sponsors and tickets since they are such an expensive sports. We don't see players paying or clubs paying do we?
Then we have governing bodies that act as the brain of any sport, say fifa, uefa and they get their money from TV licenses and sponsors.
As far as things like WWI go its obvious the money taken from tickets go to tournament winners, so it can be sustainable, otherwise its written doom all over it.
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
June 27 2008 22:33 GMT
#67
It seems that the dev team chose to replace medics for dropships for 2 main reasons: 1) They couldn't catch up with reapers 2) Early game medics outshine other strategies. But the community just seems to think that the idea of a big clumsy ship healing isn't as fun. So why not make both sides happy changing the original medic with 1) Medics have jumppacks 2) Medics have a starport requirement?
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Terranesque
Profile Joined September 2007
119 Posts
June 28 2008 01:59 GMT
#68
On June 27 2008 22:06 BlackStar wrote:
If you win other people's money because of pay in fee then what are you going to do?

You are going to try to play tournaments with weak opponents that are stupid enough to enter a pay tournament in which they are outclassed.

People are going to be sandbagging. People are only going to play for money.

The strongest people should play vs each other and they should win the money from a third party.

There is going to be so much abuse. The top players are going to form a cartel. They enter one at a time into one of those tournaments so they have a free win and don't steal money from each other. Stuff like that.

It's so obvious. Do you want Starcraft 2 to be a sport or not? It's not entertainment which you pay for. It's not supposed to be gambling either.

Do you want it to be like Formula 1 where people have to buy a seat in a car?

Otherwise, it's not just a zero sum game. You mention a rake. People are going to lose money overall from playing Starcraft 2. That's bad. There should be money to be won. Not money to be lost.

Esports should copy chess, not poker.



Stop crying, if you don't think you can win: don't enter.

Leave the money games to the big boys.
tec27
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States3696 Posts
June 28 2008 02:41 GMT
#69
On June 28 2008 06:50 SlickR12345 wrote:
whats this nonsense about fees and stuff?
No one should pay for entering a tournament, that is proven to be downhill of every sport, game, league, whatever.
Sponsors are what provide money for leagues and in return they get big coverage.
In huge costly sports we see sponsors and tickets since they are such an expensive sports. We don't see players paying or clubs paying do we?
Then we have governing bodies that act as the brain of any sport, say fifa, uefa and they get their money from TV licenses and sponsors.
As far as things like WWI go its obvious the money taken from tickets go to tournament winners, so it can be sustainable, otherwise its written doom all over it.

You make no sense. People paying to enter a tournament has pretty much never been the downfall of anything to my knowledge, so you should really back that up with some sources.

Sports become huge and costly usually because of things like travel, needing large venues since they attract a large amount of interest, needing good equipment, etc. Anything you can play online doesn't have those associated costs, so they don't need sponsors. If all sports and games could have "sit'n'go" type tournaments like FA described, it would very likely trigger a major advancement in the skill of all of them, since it allows A) more people to play, B) more games to occur, C) easier access to large groups of players, and D) easier aquisition of incentives for winning.

When you rely on sponsors to generate money for tournaments, you severely limit the amount of paying tournaments availible. Without the money incentive, player skill advancement tends to slow and there are very few venues for them to accurately test their skill against others with the added pressure you get from playing in tournaments.

I'm sorry, but all of you complaining about FA's suggestions have yet to bring up any good reasons for not having it. If you don't want to spend money, or to have your money taken by better players, then stick to the free tourneys they could easily offer right alongside the paid ones.
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VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
June 28 2008 06:36 GMT
#70
I just didn't want to derail this topic to something else. But I do think Starcraft could learn a lot from poker. God I wish SC could one day become 10% of what poker is today. Poker is almost the perfect e-sport, really easy to learn, really hard to master, really easy to watch, broadcast and ridiculously easy to get started playing for either fun or money. It just fails in the fun part imho ^^ If a fun game like SC could have all the qualities of poker it would have to potential to beat soccer in popularity
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27140 Posts
June 28 2008 07:11 GMT
#71
TLTour was a failure?

THIS THREAD IS A FAILURE
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