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On October 10 2007 09:02 NotSorry wrote:
Who posted this poll on battle.net? Funny how it went from 107 - 28 to 113 - 88.
I didn't do it because I think they are informed, I did it because they will be buying the game, and generating income for blizzard just as we are. Don't forget that they are here to make money as well. Of course most of the people on teamliquid.net want it, but unfortunately, as you can see, there are also a lot of uninformed players that do, and blizzard isn't only going to listen to educated people on the matter. The poll was rigged before, and as I have basically opened up the floodgates for newbies to vote, we see the entire picture.
EDIT: we are still winning anyway, but perhaps you've come to realize the problem blizzard is faced with?
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On October 10 2007 10:19 LonelyMargarita wrote:
Yes, it was about 80% "No MBS" until some newb decided to ruin the poll. I'll take it that 80% was the accurate result.
I wish there was a way to make a poll where only people with X number of posts or more could vote.
If the poll only allowed high post counts to vote there would be almost NO votes for mbs. The people who came here to speculate on the potential future of sc2 are all in favor of a dumbed down and retard friendly sc2. Those who have been around and actually know why this game is as great as it is are in favor of a prettier and new version of sc that still remains hard and enjoyable.
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Bill307
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On October 10 2007 13:40 Element)LoGiC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2007 09:02 NotSorry wrote:
Who posted this poll on battle.net? Funny how it went from 107 - 28 to 113 - 88. I didn't do it because I think they are informed, I did it because they will be buying the game, and generating income for blizzard just as we are. Don't forget that they are here to make money as well. Of course most of the people on teamliquid.net want it, but unfortunately, as you can see, there are also a lot of uninformed players that do, and blizzard isn't only going to listen to educated people on the matter. The poll was rigged before, and as I have basically opened up the floodgates for newbies to vote, we see the entire picture. EDIT: we are still winning anyway, but perhaps you've come to realize the problem blizzard is faced with?
They are also more likely to, say, register 10 new accounts to vote 10 times for a pro-MBS option. Like that one guy in the topic who says he contributed 10 votes...
Moreover, a poll on TLnet is, by its nature, an expression of the opinions of our members. I'm sure most of us are fully aware of this limitation.
If anything, what you've done makes it appear that TLnet members alone are evenly split on the issue of MBS. Now any random person who sees the poll will think "Half of TLnet wants MBS." which is completely untrue. You've only made the poll less accurate.
Lastly, we wouldn't be looking for others' opinions in a TLnet poll. In fact, I think we already know that most StarCraft players in general are pro-MBS. Either way, you should have just pointed this out in a post rather than screwing up the poll, or created a poll elsewhere (e.g. on the Battle.net forum) and then linked us to it to illustrate your point.
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51% what the hell? I know that's not the way everyone who has been playing for more than a few months feels about MBS.
What makes SC into the ultimate competitive RTS is the number of small tasks required to win. Sounds mundane? repetitive? It's what makes StarCraft unique
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On October 10 2007 12:49 DTDominion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2007 15:54 Hokay wrote:On October 09 2007 15:21 DTDominion wrote:
So basically, no matter how much evidence is presented to you that effective implementation of MBS is impossible, you still think that Blizzard's game designers should do it because it makes them lazy and stupid if they don't?
Fine logic there. What evidence? SC2 is barely finished. EDIT: Also I said if Blizzard cannot implement MBS while retaining a competitive level like SC1 it should not be in. Which is why I am waiting for beta. Fine reading comprehension there. Fair enough, but you have to see the contradiction between this: Show nested quote +if Blizzard cannot deliver a good or better competitive game compared to SC1 while retaining MBS, than MBS has to go. I'm waiting for beta... and this: Show nested quote +If there is no MBS, I will be disappointed at blizzards game designers for being lazy and incompetent because they couldn't implement another way for SC2's macro to be competitive/skillful as SC1's macro while having MBS. My bad for eventually descending into mindless skimming, but I'm not sure your post somehow magically got better.
Notice the word incompetent?
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On October 10 2007 13:40 Element)LoGiC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2007 09:02 NotSorry wrote:
Who posted this poll on battle.net? Funny how it went from 107 - 28 to 113 - 88. I didn't do it because I think they are informed, I did it because they will be buying the game, and generating income for blizzard just as we are. Don't forget that they are here to make money as well. Of course most of the people on teamliquid.net want it, but unfortunately, as you can see, there are also a lot of uninformed players that do, and blizzard isn't only going to listen to educated people on the matter. The poll was rigged before, and as I have basically opened up the floodgates for newbies to vote, we see the entire picture. EDIT: we are still winning anyway, but perhaps you've come to realize the problem blizzard is faced with?
A TL poll should reflect the opinon of TL forum members. Not a bunch of retard noobs registering to hijack the TL name.
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On October 10 2007 14:58 Bill307 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2007 13:40 Element)LoGiC wrote:On October 10 2007 09:02 NotSorry wrote:
Who posted this poll on battle.net? Funny how it went from 107 - 28 to 113 - 88. I didn't do it because I think they are informed, I did it because they will be buying the game, and generating income for blizzard just as we are. Don't forget that they are here to make money as well. Of course most of the people on teamliquid.net want it, but unfortunately, as you can see, there are also a lot of uninformed players that do, and blizzard isn't only going to listen to educated people on the matter. The poll was rigged before, and as I have basically opened up the floodgates for newbies to vote, we see the entire picture. EDIT: we are still winning anyway, but perhaps you've come to realize the problem blizzard is faced with? They are also more likely to, say, register 10 new accounts to vote 10 times for a pro-MBS option. Like that one guy in the topic who says he contributed 10 votes... Moreover, a poll on TLnet is, by its nature, an expression of the opinions of our members. I'm sure most of us are fully aware of this limitation. If anything, what you've done makes it appear that TLnet members alone are evenly split on the issue of MBS. Now any random person who sees the poll will think "Half of TLnet wants MBS." which is completely untrue. You've only made the poll less accurate. Lastly, we wouldn't be looking for others' opinions in a TLnet poll. In fact, I think we already know that most StarCraft players in general are pro-MBS. Either way, you should have just pointed this out in a post rather than screwing up the poll, or created a poll elsewhere (e.g. on the Battle.net forum) and then linked us to it to illustrate your point.
The Poll is IP based I think. The only problem would have been registering multiple accounts.
Secondly, this poll means absolutely nothing.
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On October 10 2007 16:19 Aphelion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2007 13:40 Element)LoGiC wrote:On October 10 2007 09:02 NotSorry wrote:
Who posted this poll on battle.net? Funny how it went from 107 - 28 to 113 - 88. I didn't do it because I think they are informed, I did it because they will be buying the game, and generating income for blizzard just as we are. Don't forget that they are here to make money as well. Of course most of the people on teamliquid.net want it, but unfortunately, as you can see, there are also a lot of uninformed players that do, and blizzard isn't only going to listen to educated people on the matter. The poll was rigged before, and as I have basically opened up the floodgates for newbies to vote, we see the entire picture. EDIT: we are still winning anyway, but perhaps you've come to realize the problem blizzard is faced with? A TL poll should reflect the opinon of TL forum members. Not a bunch of retard noobs registering to hijack the TL name.
We know the opinion of the tl.net members. These battle.net people. They aren't retard noobs. They aren't less than human. Their opinions matter, even if they aren't as "educated" or "informed".
This post has reflected very poorly on how well you understand... anything.
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We need concrete data to back up our opinion. Blizzard could easily read the SC2 forums, see a few posters who really only post there and conclude that they are representative of the overall TL population.
We know even better the opinion of these Battle.net people. Blizzard knows too, and specifically came to us instead. A TL pool should reflect a TL opinion. That concept is all too obvious.
And as far as SC is concerned, the typical TL member is light years ahead in terms of understanding than the average Battle.net member. That is a fact, not an opinion.
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On October 10 2007 16:31 Element)LoGiC wrote:
Secondly, this poll means absolutely nothing.
Then why fucking encourage others to vote in it. You have MADE it mean nothing
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Well then, to make things interesting, let's see if someone who has played BW for a long time, someone with a post count, someone who follows the pro-scene, can stand up and say they support MBS?
Personally, I think if it's toggle-able, it will end up much like B.net is today. You have your casual BGH newbs(Or in this case, MBS players) on one side of the spectrum, and then the serious players on the otherside. If this is the case, then SC2 will still be a success, and hopefully the MBS'ers will be held in the same regard as Fastest-possible and BGH is in BW.
Personally, I think it should be a game type, like UMS or "Greed" or "one on one", except it should be called "Novice" as to remind the players what they are.
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Wow the elitism that is showing up in this thread is horrible. Of course that was to be expected in a TL MBS thread eh?
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On October 10 2007 17:14 YinYang69 wrote:
Wow the elitism that is showing up in this thread is horrible. Of course that was to be expected in a TL MBS thread eh?
Don't act as though your position in the argument, or anyone elses for the matter is anything but circumstancial.
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On October 10 2007 17:14 YinYang69 wrote:
Wow the elitism that is showing up in this thread is horrible. Of course that was to be expected in a TL MBS thread eh?
Since when has anything great been created out of consensus and collective mediocrity? Starcraft is a great game, an elite game. Accept that and move on.
I refer you to this post by Mensrea.
Do not cater to anyone. Forget the fanbase. The road to greatness is marked by courage, innovation and loneliness. Greatness is an autocracy, not a democracy. Greatness is disdainful of the conventional. Hear what the professional players and others involved in the professional scene have to say, but otherwise turn an arrogant deaf ear to the newbs. At the end of the day, the newbs will thank you for it.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
mensrea is ragnar birko.. i am sure of it.
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Hotkeyx3,unit: to mass-build unit - no thx
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Heh, perhaps TL should have a system where new accounts can't vote in a poll until after 24 hours. 
I think Blizzard is aware of the problems of MBS. Based on everything I've seen though, they haven't done anything to even moderately offset that loss yet. We'll see, but, that said, I'm not sure it will be the end of the world to have the game focus on army micro more.
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Where's the option: Just let Blizzard do their job.
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On October 10 2007 16:33 Element)LoGiC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2007 16:19 Aphelion wrote:On October 10 2007 13:40 Element)LoGiC wrote:On October 10 2007 09:02 NotSorry wrote:
Who posted this poll on battle.net? Funny how it went from 107 - 28 to 113 - 88. I didn't do it because I think they are informed, I did it because they will be buying the game, and generating income for blizzard just as we are. Don't forget that they are here to make money as well. Of course most of the people on teamliquid.net want it, but unfortunately, as you can see, there are also a lot of uninformed players that do, and blizzard isn't only going to listen to educated people on the matter. The poll was rigged before, and as I have basically opened up the floodgates for newbies to vote, we see the entire picture. EDIT: we are still winning anyway, but perhaps you've come to realize the problem blizzard is faced with? A TL poll should reflect the opinon of TL forum members. Not a bunch of retard noobs registering to hijack the TL name. We know the opinion of the tl.net members. These battle.net people. They aren't retard noobs. They aren't less than human. Their opinions matter, even if they aren't as "educated" or "informed". This post has reflected very poorly on how well you understand... anything.
You purposely posted the link on battle.net's forum to ruin the poll and derail the thread. You should just accept that you are in the minority of educated gamers, and let us have an accurate polling of tl.net REGULARS (i.e. people who find the poll thread themselves).
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On October 10 2007 19:39 LonelyMargarita wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2007 16:33 Element)LoGiC wrote:On October 10 2007 16:19 Aphelion wrote:On October 10 2007 13:40 Element)LoGiC wrote:On October 10 2007 09:02 NotSorry wrote:
Who posted this poll on battle.net? Funny how it went from 107 - 28 to 113 - 88. I didn't do it because I think they are informed, I did it because they will be buying the game, and generating income for blizzard just as we are. Don't forget that they are here to make money as well. Of course most of the people on teamliquid.net want it, but unfortunately, as you can see, there are also a lot of uninformed players that do, and blizzard isn't only going to listen to educated people on the matter. The poll was rigged before, and as I have basically opened up the floodgates for newbies to vote, we see the entire picture. EDIT: we are still winning anyway, but perhaps you've come to realize the problem blizzard is faced with? A TL poll should reflect the opinon of TL forum members. Not a bunch of retard noobs registering to hijack the TL name. We know the opinion of the tl.net members. These battle.net people. They aren't retard noobs. They aren't less than human. Their opinions matter, even if they aren't as "educated" or "informed". This post has reflected very poorly on how well you understand... anything. You purposely posted the link on battle.net's forum to ruin the poll and derail the thread. You should just accept that you are in the minority of educated gamers, and let us have an accurate polling of tl.net REGULARS (i.e. people who find the poll thread themselves).
Incorrect.
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