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On August 28 2007 17:35 Manifesto7 wrote:
I think you are a bastard for selling out your friend John like that. If I were John, and I read TL, I would say fuck you. But if John doesn't read TL, I'll do it for him. Fuck you.
She had asked prior to the convesation, and I stated I wouldn't tell her -.-? Wtf.
And John is more of an acquantince than that of a friend.
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Shadow rush her. Seriously. And making accusations of your "friend" , even if it's true, is BM. You BM f*g.
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iNcontroL
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dude  This is a horrible relationship between very young kids. And your friend talking that way at 15 is disguisting. Let it go. You were never even really with her. Chalk it up as a life lesson like you were pretending to do in the conversation (actually just a ploy to sound like a 'good' guy who is above the situation or w/e).
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Hey man, you're 15. You don't mean that. I'm 15 too, and i can tell you for sure you ain't ready for the kind of relationship the word "love" connotes. It's probably just infaturation, you're feeling it for the first time and you don't know what the hell it is. it's just a passing attraction which will eventually go away.
On August 28 2007 17:15 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
you aren't gonna matter to her in 5 years
that's a reality, does that put it in perspective for you?
He's probably right.
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my advice is to chill out...maybe listen to her and what she has to say instead of drilling her with a bunch of BS man. If you really like this girl you should be willing to ask her questions instead of stating all this backwards messed up shit. Girls don't like having to figure out wtf you're talking about--and neither do I--neither does anyone, really.
Think of it this way: the best thing to say is nothing at all. Speak when you're spoken to, otherwise you sound desperate. Just be cool, man; show her you're not the slave to your raging hormones that you've just proven yourself to be in front of all of TL. Grats bro.
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Osaka27158 Posts
On August 28 2007 17:37 lastshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2007 17:35 Manifesto7 wrote:
I think you are a bastard for selling out your friend John like that. If I were John, and I read TL, I would say fuck you. But if John doesn't read TL, I'll do it for him. Fuck you. She had asked prior to the convesation, and I stated I wouldn't tell her -.-? Wtf. And John is more of an acquantince than that of a friend.
TheeMiz: Just Know that, I don't think he feels for you half the way i do.
Her: nick when you say that im an object in his eye, whats that mean?
Her: nick
TheeMiz: all he fucking says is
TheeMiz: "i'd fuck her"
TheeMiz: and it disgusts me
TheeMiz: he tells me he doesn't like you
TheeMiz: but he'd fuck you
TheeMiz: wtf is that
Sorry I must have misunderstood this part. But if he isn't really a friend then go for it. Tell her he has VD, and that your step dad is Tom Brady.
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On August 28 2007 17:40 {88}iNcontroL wrote:dude This is a horrible relationship between very young kids. And your friend talking that way at 15 is disguisting. Let it go. You were never even really with her. Chalk it up as a life lesson like you were pretending to do in the conversation (actually just a ploy to sound like a 'good' guy who is above the situation or w/e).
Thank you :O
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On August 28 2007 17:43 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2007 17:37 lastshadow wrote:On August 28 2007 17:35 Manifesto7 wrote:
I think you are a bastard for selling out your friend John like that. If I were John, and I read TL, I would say fuck you. But if John doesn't read TL, I'll do it for him. Fuck you. She had asked prior to the convesation, and I stated I wouldn't tell her -.-? Wtf. And John is more of an acquantince than that of a friend. Show nested quote +TheeMiz: Just Know that, I don't think he feels for you half the way i do.
Her: nick when you say that im an object in his eye, whats that mean?
Her: nick
TheeMiz: all he fucking says is
TheeMiz: "i'd fuck her"
TheeMiz: and it disgusts me
TheeMiz: he tells me he doesn't like you
TheeMiz: but he'd fuck you
TheeMiz: wtf is that Sorry I must have misunderstood this part. But if he isn't really a friend then go for it. Tell her he has VD, and that your step dad is Tom Brady.
Are you being serious -_-?
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I don't think it's love, either. If you love anything here, I'd guess it's the feeling of having someone to dote on/share strong emotion with. You'd just gotten through your grandfathers death, got somewhat involved with a cute girl, and attached yourself. Nobody truly falls in love after 5 months, especially (I know it sounds like bullshit to you, did to me when I was your age, too) someone as young as you.
A lot of the little details are throwing that out there, too, and she's probably picked up on some of them. Such as you asking how much she liked you repeatedly, as well as explaining in somewhat melodramatic detail to her about different sacrifices/admissions of love, thus trying to jockey yourself into a better, admirable, and perhaps pitiable position. Again, signifies less a love of a person than a love of a collection of interactions that provoke strong feeling.
As for talking about your friend, I disagree with Mani. I think she had a right to know what she was getting into (have you ever thought that she might already know, though?), though you did expound on it a bit much. I wouldn't consider you a friend anymore if I were John, though, and given the polar opposite you feel in this manner, I'm not even sure why he's your friend in the first place.
Overall, just stop stressing so much about her. You didn't have much with her to begin with, it seems like, and from her reactions, it's only you feeling all that strongly. Let her go and find someone more compatible for yourself. It sucks to let those feelings go, but you'll find another cute girl, and in the meantime, if you actually care about her at all, just let the girl have her fun.
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United States43566 Posts
You have to understand that 15 year old girls have absolutely no idea what they want. And to be honest that doesn't change much as they get older. Your best bet is to be friends but absolutely not interested in her. In fact, get yourself a different gf who you're not really interested with. Then when they split up, and they will, you'll be conveniently unavailable. Which in a girls mind = "oh noes, I lost of teh boyfriend thereoftehfore i am ugly and no-one will ever love me". If you've available at this point and show signs of liking her after she breaks up she'll not be interested. This is because she'll retain her sense of self worth as the choice of whether to start shit with you will be hers. If you're unavailable you can still do all the comforting things with her without actually reassuring her. Then say something like "weird isn't it, this time 3 months ago i was totally crazy about you, but (new whores name here) and I are going pretty strong now". Just to clarify that there was pretty much sticking the knife into her and turning. It's crude and it's brutal. But it'll work. That will emphasise thee "oh noes i am of teh uglies" and also believes she made a fucking bad choice over rejecting you. Remember to be her main male friend because while she's in the broken up period she's prey and you want to be the only scavenger. Then, if possible within a week (two weeks if she's really upset by the breakup) of the breakup get yourself alone with her and do the following.
"I can't keep doing this"
"What?"
"Spending all this time with you, it's not fair on (whores name here)"
"I thought we were just friends now...."
"I thought we were, but these last few days have made me realise how much I love spending time with you, I really like you"
(now you hold her self esteem in her broken up state she'll do anything for it)
If she doesn't give a positive answer then she's just not interested. Deal with it.
However, if she says something along the lines up
"But what about (whores name here)?"
"I'll speak to her tonight, this isn't fair on her, I didn't choose this but right now.... I just want you"
Then make your move.
If you're drooling over her when she breaks up with this guy then she'll retain self esteem. And with that comes decision making power. If nobody is interested in her she'll lose self worth and therefore be willing to surrender decisions to whoever says nice things about her. Make that you. Don't ask her to go out with you. Tell her you want her. If nobody else is interested in her (make sure to get there early) then she'll be unable to resist. If you can't actually get a whore then make one up. It doesn't matter because you're not interested in them.
The key thing about this advice is constant pressure. You want to be there from the day she breaks up. Consoling her, taking her platonic places (go shopping with her) and generally having a good time with her in a non dating way. Release the pressure and she'll not think you're such a wonderful guy. With the crude phrase above the pressure goes from subtle to full on "you fucked up bitch and imma gonna rub it in yo face". Spend another perfect day or two with her, just letting her boil in her own regrets while the internal pressure builds. If she makes a move at you (wtf bitch, I have a girlfriend) you have to reject. She cannot be allowed to make that choice. When you make your move just say you were confused about what you wanted. You're young, that line will work.
Remember, constant pressure. If you let her learn to deal with it without you she'll get some self worth on her own. Make her rely on you.
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Why didn't you do this on the phone? It seems insensible and fake through aim, even if it isn't love. And why would you say that about John if he's your friend? You just totally dissed your friend after you said that you hope things would work out between the two if she did pick John.. I wouldn't be surprised if she was confused/angry at you. Good luck though, hope everything works out...
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On August 28 2007 18:00 EpiK wrote:
Why didn't you do this on the phone? It seems insensible and fake through aim, even if it isn't love. Good luck though, hope everything works out.
She is too shy via phone or in real life, behind her computer she can talk about anything.
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On August 28 2007 17:59 Kwark wrote:
You have to understand that 15 year old girls have absolutely no idea what they want. And to be honest that doesn't change much as they get older. Your best bet is to be friends but absolutely not interested in her. In fact, get yourself a different gf who you're not really interested with. Then when they split up, and they will, you'll be conveniently unavailable. Which in a girls mind = "oh noes, I lost of teh boyfriend thereoftehfore i am ugly and no-one will ever love me". If you've available at this point and show signs of liking her after she breaks up she'll not be interested. This is because she'll retain her sense of self worth as the choice of whether to start shit with you will be hers. If you're unavailable you can still do all the comforting things with her without actually reassuring her. Then say something like "weird isn't it, this time 3 months ago i was totally crazy about you, but (new whores name here) and I are going pretty strong now". Just to clarify that there was pretty much sticking the knife into her and turning. It's crude and it's brutal. But it'll work. That will emphasise thee "oh noes i am of teh uglies" and also believes she made a fucking bad choice over rejecting you. Remember to be her main male friend because while she's in the broken up period she's prey and you want to be the only scavenger. Then, if possible within a week (two weeks if she's really upset by the breakup) of the breakup get yourself alone with her and do the following.
"I can't keep doing this"
"What?"
"Spending all this time with you, it's not fair on (whores name here)"
"I thought we were just friends now...."
"I thought we were, but these last few days have made me realise how much I love spending time with you, I really like you"
(now you hold her self esteem in her broken up state she'll do anything for it)
If she doesn't give a positive answer then she's just not interested. Deal with it.
However, if she says something along the lines up
"But what about (whores name here)?"
"I'll speak to her tonight, this isn't fair on her, I didn't choose this but right now.... I just want you"
Then make your move.
If you're drooling over her when she breaks up with this guy then she'll retain self esteem. And with that comes decision making power. If nobody is interested in her she'll lose self worth and therefore be willing to surrender decisions to whoever says nice things about her. Make that you. Don't ask her to go out with you. Tell her you want her. If nobody else is interested in her (make sure to get there early) then she'll be unable to resist. If you can't actually get a whore then make one up. It doesn't matter because you're not interested in them.
The key thing about this advice is constant pressure. You want to be there from the day she breaks up. Consoling her, taking her platonic places (go shopping with her) and generally having a good time with her in a non dating way. Release the pressure and she'll not think you're such a wonderful guy. With the crude phrase above the pressure goes from subtle to full on "you fucked up bitch and imma gonna rub it in yo face". Spend another perfect day or two with her, just letting her boil in her own regrets while the internal pressure builds. If she makes a move at you (wtf bitch, I have a girlfriend) you have to reject. She cannot be allowed to make that choice. When you make your move just say you were confused about what you wanted. You're young, that line will work.
Remember, constant pressure. If you let her learn to deal with it without you she'll get some self worth on her own. Make her rely on you.
where the fuck do you come up with this.
thank you 
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15 year olds are not physically capable of love. The frontal lobe of your brain has not fully developed, etc. You "like" the girl. I don't mean to say that doesn't mean much. As you get older you'll find out you might be "interested" in a couple girls a year, what amounts to basically a crush. You'll probably only truly "like" a girl once every couple years. Most people aren't even capable of love until their early twenties, and you'll be lucky to find more than one or two in your life. Then there's lust, or sexual/physical attraction that different people will get in differing amounts, perhaps a few girls a year to varying strengths.
Sadly, when you get older you'll realize your mistake and wish you hadn't said it. So many guys say it so much when they don't mean it (in fact don't even know what it means), and then it doesn't mean anything to anyone anymore.
Also, don't have intimate/important conversations on AIM unless it's the only way. Try to do it in person, if not at least do it over the phone. The less direct the conversation, the easier it is for her to lie to you to "try to not hurt you." You're much better off her being pressured into honesty.
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It's pretty basic. If you have good female friends who you can talk about anything with you'll see it happening. It always gets them. Unfortunately I learnt it too late to fully exploit it (15 is like the optimum age for self esteem whores). They want to be wanted. They want to feel attractive. If you want them uncondititionally then they are reassured but not interested. If you hold them in a state of nobody being interested and all the self worth shit is coming from you then they are in your power. You've got to retain the decisions though.
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On August 28 2007 18:10 Kwark wrote:
It's pretty basic. If you have good female friends who you can talk about anything with you'll see it happening. It always gets them. Unfortunately I learnt it too late to fully exploit it (15 is like the optimum age for self esteem whores). They want to be wanted. They want to feel attractive. If you want them uncondititionally then they are reassured but not interested. If you hold them in a state of nobody being interested and all the self worth shit is coming from you then they are in your power. You've got to retain the decisions though.
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United States43566 Posts
Oh, and don't flirt at all. Girls flirt in the hope you'll flirt back and then they can go "yay, men like me, now i won't have to cut myself". If she tries to flirt just ignore it.
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On August 28 2007 18:14 Kwark wrote:
Oh, and don't flirt at all. Girls flirt in the hope you'll flirt back and then they can go "yay, men like me, now i won't have to cut myself". If she tries to flirt just ignore it.
the problem with this girl is that she is super shy, will not start a conversation, but loves being center of attention.
If she isn't she thinks you hate her -.-
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United States43566 Posts
On August 28 2007 18:16 lastshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2007 18:14 Kwark wrote:
Oh, and don't flirt at all. Girls flirt in the hope you'll flirt back and then they can go "yay, men like me, now i won't have to cut myself". If she tries to flirt just ignore it. the problem with this girl is that she is super shy, will not start a conversation, but loves being center of attention. If she isn't she thinks you hate her -.-
Do you actually hang out with her?
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