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Teamliquid, I need your help. Please don't start flame or anything of the such in this thread, no BW jokes, please help.
For the past 5 months I've been talking to this girl, we kind of were attracted to each other at first sight. So anyway I was behind in school(virus crippled me) and I could not date her. Anyway, she apparently really really liked me at the time. And I to her.
However I was still an emotional wreck, after having my Grandfather pass away only a month prior to meeting her. So anyway, this girl is relativly cute and funny. And we talked alot when we first met.
So here comes summer, finally I get away from everything busy(including SC which I played religiously) and wanted more with her. Come to find out, and I had knew this prior to summer. She does not like having boyfriends during summer. "Ok thats fine" I thought, while knowing I still had to wait 2 months now.
As time passes, we talk more and sometimes less. Still I feel extremly happy whenever I see her, as If I felt the need to be with her. So, during late july and early august we started having some "fights" if you will, over retarded shit, mainly to do with her friends. However I noticed that there was a change in her feelings towards me. So I would ask now and then, and apparently it would get annoying and make her upset. However she always told me that she did in fact like me.
Ok, time moved on. I couldn't stop thinking about her. I loved talking to her, and I abhored leaving her after a day of hanging out. Come to find out she now has exalted another guy above me, my friend John, ok I know his way with women, he can't hold on to them and he views them as sex objects. So tonight, I felt as though I should tell her how I Felt. Here is what happens :
Her returned at 12:04:42 AM.
TheeMiz: back, and just got your message
TheeMiz: and yeah.
Her: okkkkkkkk.
TheeMiz: and by yeah i am referring to this "but nick if i said no....would you stop talkin to me? cause you said "its been a great time with you"
TheeMiz: i still dont understand though
Her: understand what that means?
TheeMiz: no
TheeMiz: Look, if you like him more, go for him.
TheeMiz: I let you know how I feel
TheeMiz: I don't know if he feels the same way
TheeMiz: which will make me feel like shit
TheeMiz: if he doesn't like you
Her: you said "if you dont then its been a great time with you"
Her: whats that mean
TheeMiz: the way i do
TheeMiz: it means that
TheeMiz: if you want him
TheeMiz: go to him
TheeMiz: and its been a lesson learned to me
Her: a leason learned?
TheeMiz: yeah
TheeMiz: i told you i loved you and i meant it
TheeMiz: either way
Her: whats that mean? what leesson?
TheeMiz: me getting the courage to give you my heart that night
TheeMiz: was alot
TheeMiz: so everything that i've gained through you
TheeMiz: will help me in prior future
TheeMiz: the only thing is
TheeMiz: i really liked you
TheeMiz: at the end of the school yr
TheeMiz: i just couldnt
TheeMiz: go out with you
TheeMiz: i was too fucking far behind
TheeMiz: and i now regret it
TheeMiz: to all hell
TheeMiz: Your the first girl i've loved
TheeMiz: And the only thing that pisses me off
TheeMiz: is that when i ask john if
TheeMiz: he likes you
TheeMiz: he fucking says
TheeMiz: no
Her: brb
TheeMiz: and shit
Her: backk
Her: and i just read everythin
TheeMiz: read everything about?
Her: read everythin you just said
TheeMiz: yeah
TheeMiz: well
TheeMiz: its in your hands at this point
TheeMiz: for the past 4 days
TheeMiz: i was literally just trying to gather the courage to tell you
TheeMiz: everything
TheeMiz: and i still havent
TheeMiz: Do you want to hear it?
TheeMiz: i got alot out that night but..
Her: yeahh....write it in one paragraph though
TheeMiz: ok i'll start from start till end
TheeMiz: When I first saw you, I don't know what it was, but I really felt something towards you, other than you just being really cute in my eyes. When I first talked to you, I felt like I knew you for like a year. I completly lowered my guard. I talked with you as much as I could, and thought about you alot. With so much work to be made up in school, I couldn't go out with you. And I really hate myself for that. Eventually Summer came, and my feelings grew stronger. I would see you now and then, and every single time I would feel happy just upon seeing you. I love hearing you laugh, and I love your smile. I love when you criticize me and or joke with me. All this stuff would happen at Carissa's / over the phone. Every time I call you, I usually choke after my intro. Eventually I go paranoia and began to think you didn't like me and my humor began offensive i guess...
TheeMiz: so I began annoying and even I could see that, We had our ups and downs, but every down I got angry and ultimately i got angry at myself because of how i felt towards you. I felt like shit that night I heard you were mad at me, and I felt like shit when i removed you from my top, and got angry at you and sarah. But every time, walking home I would think of you and I would feel happy, every time i went to sleep I would think of you, even if it was short, I still would. For the past few days I've been talking to Jose about you, and he agrees that Im in love with you, he knows its hard for me to tell you and so i've been trying
TheeMiz: not to screw up how i feel. I love everything that i know about you, even when you get angry I think it's cute ... And when I talk to John and ask him if he likes you he says "no" which makes me feel like your an object in his eye... and I don't want to see that happen to you. I love you Laura, your the first person to cheer up my life since my grandfather died... I really honestly from my heart, love you.
TheeMiz: But to know you like John, then I hope if you choose him that it works out better for you in the end, :-) . It'll have been great for me. And I thank everything for it.
TheeMiz: Just Know that, I don't think he feels for you half the way i do.
Her: nick when you say that im an object in his eye, whats that mean?
Her: nick
TheeMiz: all he fucking says is
TheeMiz: "i'd fuck her"
TheeMiz: and it disgusts me
TheeMiz: he tells me he doesn't like you
TheeMiz: but he'd fuck you
TheeMiz: wtf is that
TheeMiz: thats not love
TheeMiz: thats not liking someone
TheeMiz: i told you i'd go out of my way for you no matter what
TheeMiz: he'd do shit
Her: ohh. and when you said you got mad at me and sarah,,,,when and why did you?
TheeMiz: that day
TheeMiz: that i removed you from my top
TheeMiz: i felt so bad
TheeMiz: i wanted to call you and say sorry
TheeMiz: so much
TheeMiz: but you were with her so
TheeMiz: i let it go
This then persists into her asking me alot of questions, mainly which seem neutral but not great nor good. We have to talk tomorrow, since this is driving me nuts.
However, what is the biggest way to convince her how I feel / prove to her the other guy wouldn't treat her like I would...?
Many of you are going to respond with "its not love". Then you explain what my words are. Or give me a word to replace it.
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United States12235 Posts
It's not love. For Christ's sake man, you're 15 years old. You don't know shit. Take it from me and every other 20-something who's going to respond to this thread. Focus on your ice cream socials and dance parties and jukeboxes and don't stress out over some chick. Girls don't know what they want until they reach their 20s and even then some have no idea or change their minds repeatedly.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
that's exactly what I was gonna post
"TheeMiz: i told you i loved you and i meant it" You're 15, you don't.
The thing you gotta realize is that considering your age, everyone is gonna treat her about the same (even you). Take it easy. There's a reason people are gonna tell you you don't love her.
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On August 28 2007 17:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
that's exactly what I was gonna post
"TheeMiz: i told you i loved you and i meant it" You're 15, you don't.
your right, and since i don't feel like sounding like an idiot. Give me a word to replace it -.-
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Valhalla18444 Posts
you aren't gonna matter to her in 5 years
that's a reality, does that put it in perspective for you?
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Why do all BW players type like this......
hi how
are you whats
up? I like to hit
enter shift+ enter
after every few
words
instead of making full
sentences like
this.
Just say what you want in 1 sentence not 20 thank you !
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rofl, i gues its habit from when we're in game and there is not time or room for long typings.
and the fact that we process information faster and have short attention spans?
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On August 28 2007 17:15 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
you aren't gonna matter to her in 5 years
that's a reality, does that put it in perspective for you?
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On August 28 2007 17:15 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
you aren't gonna matter to her in 5 years
that's a reality, does that put it in perspective for you?
you sir don't believe in friendships.
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Braavos36375 Posts
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On August 28 2007 17:04 lastshadow wrote:
Many of you are going to respond with "its not love". Then you explain what my words are. Or give me a word to replace it.
Infatuation? Obsession?
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Yes it could be love but we still dont know the whole story. Ive been in a situation similar to this before and the best advice I can offer is dont push the fact that you care about her and he just wants to fuck her. Because in my case that made me look like I was trying to make him look bad so shed like me. But of course she thought He cared more and she also thought I was lying. So try to show her that you care not just tell her.
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thedeadhaji
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On August 28 2007 17:27 Blind wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2007 17:04 lastshadow wrote:
Many of you are going to respond with "its not love". Then you explain what my words are. Or give me a word to replace it.
Infatuation? Obsession?
it's a medical condition termed "RPF"
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On August 28 2007 17:20 Hot_Bid wrote:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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is awesome32274 Posts
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You think you love her but you don't.
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Osaka27149 Posts
I think you are a bastard for selling out your friend John like that. If I were John, and I read TL, I would say fuck you. But if John doesn't read TL, I'll do it for him. Fuck you.
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haha what the fuck at that retarded convo posted here
Just see how it works out but don't feel too bad over it, real love isn't something you feel for someone just like that at age 15.
And don't screw over your friends like that, that's just lame.
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On August 28 2007 17:35 Manifesto7 wrote:
I think you are a bastard for selling out your friend John like that. If I were John, and I read TL, I would say fuck you. But if John doesn't read TL, I'll do it for him. Fuck you.
That's brilliant
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On August 28 2007 17:35 Manifesto7 wrote:
I think you are a bastard for selling out your friend John like that. If I were John, and I read TL, I would say fuck you. But if John doesn't read TL, I'll do it for him. Fuck you.
She had asked prior to the convesation, and I stated I wouldn't tell her -.-? Wtf.
And John is more of an acquantince than that of a friend.
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Shadow rush her. Seriously. And making accusations of your "friend" , even if it's true, is BM. You BM f*g.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
dude  This is a horrible relationship between very young kids. And your friend talking that way at 15 is disguisting. Let it go. You were never even really with her. Chalk it up as a life lesson like you were pretending to do in the conversation (actually just a ploy to sound like a 'good' guy who is above the situation or w/e).
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K BACK TO ORIGINAL TOPIC
Hey man, you're 15. You don't mean that. I'm 15 too, and i can tell you for sure you ain't ready for the kind of relationship the word "love" connotes. It's probably just infaturation, you're feeling it for the first time and you don't know what the hell it is. it's just a passing attraction which will eventually go away.
On August 28 2007 17:15 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
you aren't gonna matter to her in 5 years
that's a reality, does that put it in perspective for you?
He's probably right.
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my advice is to chill out...maybe listen to her and what she has to say instead of drilling her with a bunch of BS man. If you really like this girl you should be willing to ask her questions instead of stating all this backwards messed up shit. Girls don't like having to figure out wtf you're talking about--and neither do I--neither does anyone, really.
Think of it this way: the best thing to say is nothing at all. Speak when you're spoken to, otherwise you sound desperate. Just be cool, man; show her you're not the slave to your raging hormones that you've just proven yourself to be in front of all of TL. Grats bro.
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Osaka27149 Posts
On August 28 2007 17:37 lastshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2007 17:35 Manifesto7 wrote:
I think you are a bastard for selling out your friend John like that. If I were John, and I read TL, I would say fuck you. But if John doesn't read TL, I'll do it for him. Fuck you. She had asked prior to the convesation, and I stated I wouldn't tell her -.-? Wtf. And John is more of an acquantince than that of a friend.
TheeMiz: Just Know that, I don't think he feels for you half the way i do.
Her: nick when you say that im an object in his eye, whats that mean?
Her: nick
TheeMiz: all he fucking says is
TheeMiz: "i'd fuck her"
TheeMiz: and it disgusts me
TheeMiz: he tells me he doesn't like you
TheeMiz: but he'd fuck you
TheeMiz: wtf is that
Sorry I must have misunderstood this part. But if he isn't really a friend then go for it. Tell her he has VD, and that your step dad is Tom Brady.
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On August 28 2007 17:40 {88}iNcontroL wrote:dude This is a horrible relationship between very young kids. And your friend talking that way at 15 is disguisting. Let it go. You were never even really with her. Chalk it up as a life lesson like you were pretending to do in the conversation (actually just a ploy to sound like a 'good' guy who is above the situation or w/e).
Thank you :O
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On August 28 2007 17:43 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2007 17:37 lastshadow wrote:On August 28 2007 17:35 Manifesto7 wrote:
I think you are a bastard for selling out your friend John like that. If I were John, and I read TL, I would say fuck you. But if John doesn't read TL, I'll do it for him. Fuck you. She had asked prior to the convesation, and I stated I wouldn't tell her -.-? Wtf. And John is more of an acquantince than that of a friend. Show nested quote +TheeMiz: Just Know that, I don't think he feels for you half the way i do.
Her: nick when you say that im an object in his eye, whats that mean?
Her: nick
TheeMiz: all he fucking says is
TheeMiz: "i'd fuck her"
TheeMiz: and it disgusts me
TheeMiz: he tells me he doesn't like you
TheeMiz: but he'd fuck you
TheeMiz: wtf is that Sorry I must have misunderstood this part. But if he isn't really a friend then go for it. Tell her he has VD, and that your step dad is Tom Brady.
Are you being serious -_-?
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I don't think it's love, either. If you love anything here, I'd guess it's the feeling of having someone to dote on/share strong emotion with. You'd just gotten through your grandfathers death, got somewhat involved with a cute girl, and attached yourself. Nobody truly falls in love after 5 months, especially (I know it sounds like bullshit to you, did to me when I was your age, too) someone as young as you.
A lot of the little details are throwing that out there, too, and she's probably picked up on some of them. Such as you asking how much she liked you repeatedly, as well as explaining in somewhat melodramatic detail to her about different sacrifices/admissions of love, thus trying to jockey yourself into a better, admirable, and perhaps pitiable position. Again, signifies less a love of a person than a love of a collection of interactions that provoke strong feeling.
As for talking about your friend, I disagree with Mani. I think she had a right to know what she was getting into (have you ever thought that she might already know, though?), though you did expound on it a bit much. I wouldn't consider you a friend anymore if I were John, though, and given the polar opposite you feel in this manner, I'm not even sure why he's your friend in the first place.
Overall, just stop stressing so much about her. You didn't have much with her to begin with, it seems like, and from her reactions, it's only you feeling all that strongly. Let her go and find someone more compatible for yourself. It sucks to let those feelings go, but you'll find another cute girl, and in the meantime, if you actually care about her at all, just let the girl have her fun.
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United States42694 Posts
You have to understand that 15 year old girls have absolutely no idea what they want. And to be honest that doesn't change much as they get older. Your best bet is to be friends but absolutely not interested in her. In fact, get yourself a different gf who you're not really interested with. Then when they split up, and they will, you'll be conveniently unavailable. Which in a girls mind = "oh noes, I lost of teh boyfriend thereoftehfore i am ugly and no-one will ever love me". If you've available at this point and show signs of liking her after she breaks up she'll not be interested. This is because she'll retain her sense of self worth as the choice of whether to start shit with you will be hers. If you're unavailable you can still do all the comforting things with her without actually reassuring her. Then say something like "weird isn't it, this time 3 months ago i was totally crazy about you, but (new whores name here) and I are going pretty strong now". Just to clarify that there was pretty much sticking the knife into her and turning. It's crude and it's brutal. But it'll work. That will emphasise thee "oh noes i am of teh uglies" and also believes she made a fucking bad choice over rejecting you. Remember to be her main male friend because while she's in the broken up period she's prey and you want to be the only scavenger. Then, if possible within a week (two weeks if she's really upset by the breakup) of the breakup get yourself alone with her and do the following.
"I can't keep doing this"
"What?"
"Spending all this time with you, it's not fair on (whores name here)"
"I thought we were just friends now...."
"I thought we were, but these last few days have made me realise how much I love spending time with you, I really like you"
(now you hold her self esteem in her broken up state she'll do anything for it)
If she doesn't give a positive answer then she's just not interested. Deal with it.
However, if she says something along the lines up
"But what about (whores name here)?"
"I'll speak to her tonight, this isn't fair on her, I didn't choose this but right now.... I just want you"
Then make your move.
If you're drooling over her when she breaks up with this guy then she'll retain self esteem. And with that comes decision making power. If nobody is interested in her she'll lose self worth and therefore be willing to surrender decisions to whoever says nice things about her. Make that you. Don't ask her to go out with you. Tell her you want her. If nobody else is interested in her (make sure to get there early) then she'll be unable to resist. If you can't actually get a whore then make one up. It doesn't matter because you're not interested in them.
The key thing about this advice is constant pressure. You want to be there from the day she breaks up. Consoling her, taking her platonic places (go shopping with her) and generally having a good time with her in a non dating way. Release the pressure and she'll not think you're such a wonderful guy. With the crude phrase above the pressure goes from subtle to full on "you fucked up bitch and imma gonna rub it in yo face". Spend another perfect day or two with her, just letting her boil in her own regrets while the internal pressure builds. If she makes a move at you (wtf bitch, I have a girlfriend) you have to reject. She cannot be allowed to make that choice. When you make your move just say you were confused about what you wanted. You're young, that line will work.
Remember, constant pressure. If you let her learn to deal with it without you she'll get some self worth on her own. Make her rely on you.
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Why didn't you do this on the phone? It seems insensible and fake through aim, even if it isn't love. And why would you say that about John if he's your friend? You just totally dissed your friend after you said that you hope things would work out between the two if she did pick John.. I wouldn't be surprised if she was confused/angry at you. Good luck though, hope everything works out...
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On August 28 2007 18:00 EpiK wrote:
Why didn't you do this on the phone? It seems insensible and fake through aim, even if it isn't love. Good luck though, hope everything works out.
She is too shy via phone or in real life, behind her computer she can talk about anything.
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On August 28 2007 17:59 Kwark wrote:
You have to understand that 15 year old girls have absolutely no idea what they want. And to be honest that doesn't change much as they get older. Your best bet is to be friends but absolutely not interested in her. In fact, get yourself a different gf who you're not really interested with. Then when they split up, and they will, you'll be conveniently unavailable. Which in a girls mind = "oh noes, I lost of teh boyfriend thereoftehfore i am ugly and no-one will ever love me". If you've available at this point and show signs of liking her after she breaks up she'll not be interested. This is because she'll retain her sense of self worth as the choice of whether to start shit with you will be hers. If you're unavailable you can still do all the comforting things with her without actually reassuring her. Then say something like "weird isn't it, this time 3 months ago i was totally crazy about you, but (new whores name here) and I are going pretty strong now". Just to clarify that there was pretty much sticking the knife into her and turning. It's crude and it's brutal. But it'll work. That will emphasise thee "oh noes i am of teh uglies" and also believes she made a fucking bad choice over rejecting you. Remember to be her main male friend because while she's in the broken up period she's prey and you want to be the only scavenger. Then, if possible within a week (two weeks if she's really upset by the breakup) of the breakup get yourself alone with her and do the following.
"I can't keep doing this"
"What?"
"Spending all this time with you, it's not fair on (whores name here)"
"I thought we were just friends now...."
"I thought we were, but these last few days have made me realise how much I love spending time with you, I really like you"
(now you hold her self esteem in her broken up state she'll do anything for it)
If she doesn't give a positive answer then she's just not interested. Deal with it.
However, if she says something along the lines up
"But what about (whores name here)?"
"I'll speak to her tonight, this isn't fair on her, I didn't choose this but right now.... I just want you"
Then make your move.
If you're drooling over her when she breaks up with this guy then she'll retain self esteem. And with that comes decision making power. If nobody is interested in her she'll lose self worth and therefore be willing to surrender decisions to whoever says nice things about her. Make that you. Don't ask her to go out with you. Tell her you want her. If nobody else is interested in her (make sure to get there early) then she'll be unable to resist. If you can't actually get a whore then make one up. It doesn't matter because you're not interested in them.
The key thing about this advice is constant pressure. You want to be there from the day she breaks up. Consoling her, taking her platonic places (go shopping with her) and generally having a good time with her in a non dating way. Release the pressure and she'll not think you're such a wonderful guy. With the crude phrase above the pressure goes from subtle to full on "you fucked up bitch and imma gonna rub it in yo face". Spend another perfect day or two with her, just letting her boil in her own regrets while the internal pressure builds. If she makes a move at you (wtf bitch, I have a girlfriend) you have to reject. She cannot be allowed to make that choice. When you make your move just say you were confused about what you wanted. You're young, that line will work.
Remember, constant pressure. If you let her learn to deal with it without you she'll get some self worth on her own. Make her rely on you.
where the fuck do you come up with this.
thank you 
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15 year olds are not physically capable of love. The frontal lobe of your brain has not fully developed, etc. You "like" the girl. I don't mean to say that doesn't mean much. As you get older you'll find out you might be "interested" in a couple girls a year, what amounts to basically a crush. You'll probably only truly "like" a girl once every couple years. Most people aren't even capable of love until their early twenties, and you'll be lucky to find more than one or two in your life. Then there's lust, or sexual/physical attraction that different people will get in differing amounts, perhaps a few girls a year to varying strengths.
Sadly, when you get older you'll realize your mistake and wish you hadn't said it. So many guys say it so much when they don't mean it (in fact don't even know what it means), and then it doesn't mean anything to anyone anymore.
Also, don't have intimate/important conversations on AIM unless it's the only way. Try to do it in person, if not at least do it over the phone. The less direct the conversation, the easier it is for her to lie to you to "try to not hurt you." You're much better off her being pressured into honesty.
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United States42694 Posts
It's pretty basic. If you have good female friends who you can talk about anything with you'll see it happening. It always gets them. Unfortunately I learnt it too late to fully exploit it (15 is like the optimum age for self esteem whores). They want to be wanted. They want to feel attractive. If you want them uncondititionally then they are reassured but not interested. If you hold them in a state of nobody being interested and all the self worth shit is coming from you then they are in your power. You've got to retain the decisions though.
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On August 28 2007 18:10 Kwark wrote:
It's pretty basic. If you have good female friends who you can talk about anything with you'll see it happening. It always gets them. Unfortunately I learnt it too late to fully exploit it (15 is like the optimum age for self esteem whores). They want to be wanted. They want to feel attractive. If you want them uncondititionally then they are reassured but not interested. If you hold them in a state of nobody being interested and all the self worth shit is coming from you then they are in your power. You've got to retain the decisions though.
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United States42694 Posts
Oh, and don't flirt at all. Girls flirt in the hope you'll flirt back and then they can go "yay, men like me, now i won't have to cut myself". If she tries to flirt just ignore it.
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On August 28 2007 18:14 Kwark wrote:
Oh, and don't flirt at all. Girls flirt in the hope you'll flirt back and then they can go "yay, men like me, now i won't have to cut myself". If she tries to flirt just ignore it.
the problem with this girl is that she is super shy, will not start a conversation, but loves being center of attention.
If she isn't she thinks you hate her -.-
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United States42694 Posts
On August 28 2007 18:16 lastshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2007 18:14 Kwark wrote:
Oh, and don't flirt at all. Girls flirt in the hope you'll flirt back and then they can go "yay, men like me, now i won't have to cut myself". If she tries to flirt just ignore it. the problem with this girl is that she is super shy, will not start a conversation, but loves being center of attention. If she isn't she thinks you hate her -.-
Do you actually hang out with her?
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Valhalla18444 Posts
so she's a 15 year old girl
every 15 year old girl is like that dude thats why nobody ever has a legitimate serious relationship at that age
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Valhalla18444 Posts
even you, you'll freak out if she likes some other dude
just take it easy
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On August 28 2007 18:17 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2007 18:16 lastshadow wrote:On August 28 2007 18:14 Kwark wrote:
Oh, and don't flirt at all. Girls flirt in the hope you'll flirt back and then they can go "yay, men like me, now i won't have to cut myself". If she tries to flirt just ignore it. the problem with this girl is that she is super shy, will not start a conversation, but loves being center of attention. If she isn't she thinks you hate her -.- Do you actually hang out with her?
yeah, i actually might be tomorrow.
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Keep somewhat in touch with here over the next couple years. After a while she'll become a real slut and probably toss you a freebie for good old times sake.
edit: somewhat>something
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On August 28 2007 18:20 gakkgakk wrote:
Keep somewhat in touch with here over the next couple years. After a while she'll become a real slut and probably toss you a freebie for good old times sake.
edit: somewhat>something
she is not an object in my eye - -
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Valhalla18444 Posts
when you're older you'll understand that its possible to have sex with a girl without loving them and its perfectly acceptable to
unless she's passed out drunk and you're raping her or something
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On August 28 2007 18:23 lastshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2007 18:20 gakkgakk wrote:
Keep somewhat in touch with here over the next couple years. After a while she'll become a real slut and probably toss you a freebie for good old times sake.
edit: somewhat>something she is not an object in my eye - -
lmao, she is not going to read this -_-
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United States42694 Posts
On August 28 2007 18:19 lastshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2007 18:17 Kwark wrote:On August 28 2007 18:16 lastshadow wrote:On August 28 2007 18:14 Kwark wrote:
Oh, and don't flirt at all. Girls flirt in the hope you'll flirt back and then they can go "yay, men like me, now i won't have to cut myself". If she tries to flirt just ignore it. the problem with this girl is that she is super shy, will not start a conversation, but loves being center of attention. If she isn't she thinks you hate her -.- Do you actually hang out with her? yeah, i actually might be tomorrow.
Well. Right now you're officially her bitch. Not only are you interested in her but she rejected you. So you basically can't do anything until you've lost that. Be disinterested in her, let her think you hate her. Get another girlfriend. It doesn't matter if she thinks you hate her, once she's broken up with him and is moping when you say "staying indoors all day being upset doesn't help anyone, why don't we go out shopping or something tomorrow" she'll accept. In my experience Starbucks is a pretty decent place too actually. Walk around town for a while, drift towards there and ask her if she wants to sit down for a bit. Buy her a drink, find a sofa and talk about life with her.
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Wow, she seemed reaaaallly uninterested in that conversation.
Many more fish in the sea...
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Valhalla18444 Posts
posting again to tell you to stop being overemotional and stop dumping your overblown feelings on some poor girl
take it easy take it easy take it easy take it easy take it easy take it easy take it easy take it easy
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easy - - - - - - easy, like sunday morning oooh yeeeeah
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Ok well im going to sleep now, I'll be up and back here to read by like 7pm EST before i talk and or hang out with her -.- thank you Teamliquid ~
Regards, lastshadow
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fakesteve is 100% right, just lay off and take it easy. you are just overcomplicating things for her and yourself
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Your in High School, you don't know what love is. And if you think you do, slap your self in the face and think again.
She obviously doesn't know what the hell she is doing. She's like any other random high school girl, hopping from one boy to another, the "flavor of the week" if you will. If your friend just wants to fuck her and she's fine with that, then they're a match made in heaven (for about 3 weeks). Then she's off to the next guy and he's off to the next girl.
That's high school.
And also, Mani is right. It's fucking messed up to sell out John, especially since he's your friend. I can understand that your feelings for her are "strong" and that you think he's being an animal, but come on.
High School relationships, for the most part, are meaningless.
You'll find another girl if she's not the right one, and chances are, she isn't. Shadow Rush the next one.
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I'm 15 too, don't claim that you love her, maybe you just love her cuteness
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Dude this girl you're in love with, from what I read in the conversation she seems dumb...
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Love is nothing more than egocentric attachment. Stop deluding yourself that it's anything more or you'll be in for a lot of frustration and disappointment.
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The more relationships and breakups you experience, the better a lover you are the next time you are willing to put something into another relationship.
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another "friend zone" thread.
Keep it up so she tells you how good John fucked her brains out while u cry inside rofl.
get a pair of balls dude.
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Can we get some pics too.
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On August 28 2007 19:02 baal wrote:
another "friend zone" thread.
Keep it up so she tells you how good John fucked her brains out while u cry inside rofl.
get a pair of balls dude.
hahaha Awesome.
btw, love is overrated, it's just a bag full of shit and lies. Do as KwarK said, he is kind of right in everything he said. there's no other explanation, and don't go around saying you love her, because, dude, YOU FUCKING DOn't!
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Australia3818 Posts
It's pretty weird.
You spill your heart 100% and she's just like "Hey, what do you mean I'm an object in his eye?"
It's as if you finished some nice poetry and she's like "Hey, what's on TV tonight?"
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Christ, stop telling him what he's feeling isn't love. Like you'd know, retards. It's not a fucking certification.
I felt the same way towards a girl in HS and she fucked with my head nearly the same way. I still think about her almost daily over 6 years later and probably always will (now that I'm more matured, I realize she was a stuck-up preppy bitch, but I can't change the past).
Anyways, you better either get with her or brush it off and walk. Don't waste another 2 days on it, whichever you do.
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It's infatuation though Skew, not love.
There's a difference.
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United States24682 Posts
If you're 15 it's not too late to become interested in guys instead.
No seriously, what do you see in her? I hope there's more to her than can be seen from the conversation/descriptions you posted.
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On August 28 2007 19:29 Smurg wrote:
It's pretty weird.
You spill your heart 100% and she's just like "Hey, what do you mean I'm an object in his eye?"
It's as if you finished some nice poetry and she's like "Hey, what's on TV tonight?"
LOL i tought the exact same thing...
its SO obvious this girl is not into you... you say "i love you" bla bla, and she ignores it totally... think about it if this girl were slightly interested in you she would be really ineterested in what you said.
She wouldnt tell you to make it in paragraph ROFL... she would scroll every stupid line of what u said, give up, seriously this is good advice.
Get the hell away from that girl unless u want to be stuck in the friend zone and love her forever but u will never have her, just get away, stop being the "nice" (retard) guy, and be like your friend John.
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You'll get over her as soon as you find your next girlfriend. Seriously. People allways overdramatic these things. "Oh noouz teh worldz is coming to an endz!".
If there's one cure for a guy to forget his last pussy its: NEW PUSSY.
The only thing that matters is how it starts and how it ends. So my advice to you:
Forget her and find a new one.
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United States42694 Posts
On August 28 2007 19:25 funKie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2007 19:02 baal wrote:
another "friend zone" thread.
Keep it up so she tells you how good John fucked her brains out while u cry inside rofl.
get a pair of balls dude. hahaha Awesome. btw, love is overrated, it's just a bag full of shit and lies. Do as KwarK said, he is kind of right in everything he said. there's no other explanation, and don't go around saying you love her, because, dude, YOU FUCKING DOn't!
Love is subjective. There's no benchmark of strength of feelings where if your feelings > x it is love. So we can't say it's not love because we're not him. We can say you're 15 and you'll get over it.
Anyway, what did you mean "kind of right"? :p
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Here's my tip:
Treat her like you don't love her. Make her see that you think you're better than her and could get someone much better than her. Don't kiss up to her, that won't work. Never has, never will.
In two words: man up.
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On August 28 2007 19:58 ParasitJonte wrote:
Here's my tip:
Treat her like you don't love her. Make her see that you think you're better than her and could get someone much better than her. Don't kiss up to her, that won't work. Never has, never will.
In two words: man up.
that isnt manning that is "nerding up", that is like the first idiotic thing they do...
Results = she fucks the "bad" guy... and you cry.
Meh i guess its futile this guy wont change his personality because of 2 few lines from a strangers but ive seen it 100 times (thankfully i didnt experiene it)... if you manage to shrug this bitch off, and find a new pussy and say like your friend john "i wanna fuck her" your life will be much easier, sadly you wont do it.
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I feel for you.
I don't understand why stupid stuff like this happens....but I think its experiences like this that make most guys objectify women.
haha like this:
"btw, love is overrated, it's just a bag full of shit and lies."
Anyway, she isn't worth your tears. Of course there is nothing wrong with getting upset over it, life would be bad if nothing really mattered to you.
To be completely honest, she will probably end up screwing around, then after some number of years look for someone "caring" and "good" and "sensitive". At that point, I would say "too late"...
But you should try not to let this make you into a warped asshole-ish guy.
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On August 28 2007 20:03 baal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2007 19:58 ParasitJonte wrote:
Here's my tip:
Treat her like you don't love her. Make her see that you think you're better than her and could get someone much better than her. Don't kiss up to her, that won't work. Never has, never will.
In two words: man up. that isnt manning that is "nerding up", that is like the first idiotic thing they do... Results = she fucks the "bad" guy... and you cry. Meh i guess its futile this guy wont change his personality because of 2 few lines from a strangers but ive seen it 100 times (thankfully i didnt experiene it)... if you manage to shrug this bitch off, and find a new pussy and say like your friend john "i wanna fuck her" your life will be much easier, sadly you wont do it.
I think what you are saying is basically the truth....but it sucks to live like that. He's just a kid, so I think he can avoid the problems without becoming like you. Though I can't honestly speak from much experience.
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Australia3818 Posts
Yeah based on Baal's and my own observations...she basically just cares about what he has to say about her.
She wants his cock, she doesn't want your love...your "love" shall we say.
Girls are more about wanting cock, and wanting 'cocks' aka more confident and cocky guys, who do treat them like shit. It's girl logic, who cares what romantic notions, or how tenderly you love her hair as it glints in the summer sunshine, she just wants a fat cock in her by the biggest asshole on the block.
Until she is looking for marriage material. Then the assholes who have been fucking lots of girls but also becoming drop outs at the same time...will lose out to romantic dudes with big wallets due to them having no girls in their life and being able to focus on studies more than anything, getting rich. And then getting married to a girl who will leech the money, then have an affair with an asshole at the same time.
FUN.
But keep bitches in order.
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Edit: meh shouldn't post twice
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On August 28 2007 20:31 Smurg wrote:
Yeah based on Baal's and my own observations...she basically just cares about what he has to say about her.
She wants his cock, she doesn't want your love...your "love" shall we say.
Girls are more about wanting cock, and wanting 'cocks' aka more confident and cocky guys, who do treat them like shit. It's girl logic, who cares what romantic notions, or how tenderly you love her hair as it glints in the summer sunshine, she just wants a fat cock in her by the biggest asshole on the block.
Until she is looking for marriage material. Then the assholes who have been fucking lots of girls but also becoming drop outs at the same time...will lose out to romantic dudes with big wallets due to them having no girls in their life and being able to focus on studies more than anything, getting rich. And then getting married to a girl who will leech the money, then have an affair with an asshole at the same time.
FUN.
But keep bitches in order.
Haha this coincides so well with the "Female Sexuality" thread.
Sluts!!!!!
Also
My advice is this: listen to Baal.
Heed it!
+ Show Spoiler +
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Yea....the only way to counter this is to only deal with virgins. When these sluts start looking to marry, you should only consider virgins. Perhaps lie to the others....you will be going into your prime about then (money, experience), and they will be realizing that there are other, younger girls out there....so they will be easy targets for you, if you so desire.
+ Show Spoiler +sorry DrainX, I wouldn't be interested in your daughter. I wish her luck though.
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Since when do 15 year olds fuck?
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Australia3818 Posts
On August 28 2007 21:13 Dknight wrote:
Since when do 15 year olds fuck?
Since they were 13.
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she sounds like a retarded bitch
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"TheeMiz: i was literally just trying to gather the courage to tell you
TheeMiz: everything
TheeMiz: and i still havent
TheeMiz: Do you want to hear it?
TheeMiz: i got alot out that night but..
Her: yeahh....write it in one paragraph though "
LOLLLL, i LOVE these threads!
You
Are not
In Love
Trust in TL
And for the first time ever, I agree with baal. Grow a set or the next thing you know you're going to be 24 and wishing you talked to a few girls instead of playing video games 6 hours a day.
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you are simpin
stop
bitches dont like guys who simp on them
its also not a good sign that you are the one whos talking 24/7 on the aim conversation, she is obviously not interested.
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oh, and don't use aim to talk to this girl. that's so incredibly pitiful that you don't say that shit on the phone or in person, it's a wonder she doesn't just block you
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On August 28 2007 20:31 Smurg wrote:
Yeah based on Baal's and my own observations...she basically just cares about what he has to say about her.
She wants his cock, she doesn't want your love...your "love" shall we say.
Girls are more about wanting cock, and wanting 'cocks' aka more confident and cocky guys, who do treat them like shit. It's girl logic, who cares what romantic notions, or how tenderly you love her hair as it glints in the summer sunshine, she just wants a fat cock in her by the biggest asshole on the block.
Until she is looking for marriage material. Then the assholes who have been fucking lots of girls but also becoming drop outs at the same time...will lose out to romantic dudes with big wallets due to them having no girls in their life and being able to focus on studies more than anything, getting rich. And then getting married to a girl who will leech the money, then have an affair with an asshole at the same time.
FUN.
But keep bitches in order.
You don't necessarily have to be an asshole to her.
Just be confident and stop being a pussy. Women are like sheep stumbling around looking for a shepherd to take them in the right direction.
Don't tell her you love her if you've never even gone out. You sound like a desperate, clingy, needy pussy. Chicks have plenty of them around them (aka other women). They want someone who will take the lead, stand up for what they believe in and not give a fuck about what anyone thinks.
Just man up, be yourself, but in a confident way. If she doesn't like you then move onto to the next girl. You're only 15, you should be out there 'experimenting'.
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
I'll join Manifesto on this one.
One more question. What is that very thing you want to do to this girl that doesn't involve "just having sex"? Find the answer that there isn't such a thing and realize how stupid you were.
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im just to curious as to know why 15 year olds can't fall in love. ive been with my girl since my 14th birthday and we are engaged now. Of course at first it was infatuation i'm sure, however i told a very good friend im going to marry that girl before we even dated. I could swear that everything I felt for her was love and it just gradually got better and more mature. looking back I can honestly say i loved her for her at 15 and not what she meant to me. Of course people will tell me it is improbable or impossible because everyone on this forum has been through love. But I think there are very few qualified people here that have actually experienced it. My post isn't meant to refute, I just remember somebody mentioning are frontal lobes aren't developed and women don't know what they want until their twenties. We have both always been pretty mature and both have skipped two grades so maybe that has something to do with it. I'm confident she loves me more, well expresses it better than I do where it does become a hassle, but I wouldn't change her for the world. And it isn't that we are some hopeless wretches who stay with one another because of our physical appereance. We are both actually quite good looking people. So is it all just because my frontal lobe was developed or did we get lucky early on finding the person that matched us perfectly?
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Korea (South)11580 Posts
wow, your fifteen and think you love a chick? Puppy love to the max. You don't know what the fuck love is. She shows a tiny bit of affection to you, and you go overboard and get extremely obsessive with her. Just because she liked you in ANY way a while ago, doesn't mean shit. You have to figure out who YOU like, and not who likes you.
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On August 28 2007 18:02 lastshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2007 18:00 EpiK wrote:
Why didn't you do this on the phone? It seems insensible and fake through aim, even if it isn't love. Good luck though, hope everything works out. She is too shy via phone or in real life, behind her computer she can talk about anything.
whats her aim lolol
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
On August 28 2007 21:46 RowdierBob wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2007 20:31 Smurg wrote:
Yeah based on Baal's and my own observations...she basically just cares about what he has to say about her.
She wants his cock, she doesn't want your love...your "love" shall we say.
Girls are more about wanting cock, and wanting 'cocks' aka more confident and cocky guys, who do treat them like shit. It's girl logic, who cares what romantic notions, or how tenderly you love her hair as it glints in the summer sunshine, she just wants a fat cock in her by the biggest asshole on the block.
Until she is looking for marriage material. Then the assholes who have been fucking lots of girls but also becoming drop outs at the same time...will lose out to romantic dudes with big wallets due to them having no girls in their life and being able to focus on studies more than anything, getting rich. And then getting married to a girl who will leech the money, then have an affair with an asshole at the same time.
FUN.
But keep bitches in order. You don't necessarily have to be an asshole to her. Just be confident and stop being a pussy. Women are like sheep stumbling around looking for a shepherd to take them in the right direction. Don't tell her you love her if you've never even gone out. You sound like a desperate, clingy, needy pussy. Chicks have plenty of them around them (aka other women). They want someone who will take the lead, stand up for what they believe in and not give a fuck about what anyone thinks. Just man up, be yourself, but in a confident way. If she doesn't like you then move onto to the next girl. You're only 15, you should be out there 'experimenting'.
Well, wouldn't say women are sheep. There are ones with pretty strong character, but what is true is that every woman unless feminist (these are a disgrace to humanity, seriously) wants a man who's stronger. Confidence, tranquillity, raw strength, ability to make decisions, talent - that is what women like. They don't generally enjoy weak sissy guys who are doing their best to become dirt under their feet, or, at least, not for long.
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Australia3818 Posts
Just say what I say to all women.
Te suka.
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I don't know if that's what you meant Smurg, but in my language it means something on the lines of "these bitches". You know, it's hard for a Polish guy to speak japanese, too! "Daisuki" "Give me the bitches"
Guys asking for pics of the girl are pedo's. She's 15!
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Australia3818 Posts
Yeah man, that's what I said. Haha. It's Russian, so I assume in Polish it is pretty similar...similar origin that is.
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
That would be pretty rude in Russian. You'd probably get an even much more rude response from most russian girls though.
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Australia3818 Posts
Haha BluzMan, I said this jokingly to a Russian girl when we were in the car...and she started hitting me furiously. 
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On August 28 2007 22:58 True_Spike wrote:
Guys asking for pics of the girl are pedo's. She's 15!
haha. chibis seed begin to grow ^0^;;
.....or maybe hes back?
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It's not love man, it's probably extreme admiration or worst.. obsession!
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First of all you forgot the cardinal rule, bros before hoes.
Second of all, youve got oneitis, go meet some other girls.
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I don't think anyone is really qualified to say it isn't love. Now, they both might not be mature enough to deal with it, but clearly at least he has romantic love for her.
From personal experience, it'll fade with due time. If she wants nothing to do with you, there's not much you can do with it. Then you can repeat the process again with another girl, until you've grown and they've grown and boom.
Or something. >_>
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On August 28 2007 23:46 zer0das wrote:
I don't think anyone is really qualified to say it isn't love. Now, they both might not be mature enough to deal with it, but clearly at least he has romantic love for her.
From personal experience, it'll fade with due time. If she wants nothing to do with you, there's not much you can do with it. Then you can repeat the process again with another girl, until you've grown and they've grown and boom.
Or something. >_>
Talking to a girl for 5 months when you're 15 definitely isn't love. He didn't even mention hanging out with her, he admitted to chosing to play bw all summer over chilling with her or doing anything (rofl) and admitted that he really stopped tlaking to her a lot. Love requires two people, where as a crush only needs ones. clearly all the people ranting about how this is love have no clue.
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I was gonna suggest turning gay, but someone beat me to it.
Girls love the gay stuff. And if you go with a stud with an awesome body, she'll be mad jealous of you and she'll want you.
For some reason, gay guys always attract the chicks.
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On August 28 2007 23:55 Hawk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2007 23:46 zer0das wrote:
I don't think anyone is really qualified to say it isn't love. Now, they both might not be mature enough to deal with it, but clearly at least he has romantic love for her.
From personal experience, it'll fade with due time. If she wants nothing to do with you, there's not much you can do with it. Then you can repeat the process again with another girl, until you've grown and they've grown and boom.
Or something. >_> Talking to a girl for 5 months when you're 15 definitely isn't love. He didn't even mention hanging out with her, he admitted to chosing to play bw all summer over chilling with her or doing anything (rofl) and admitted that he really stopped tlaking to her a lot. Love requires two people, where as a crush only needs ones. clearly all the people ranting about how this is love have no clue.
Someone clearly has never heard of unrequited love. Anywho, I didn't read the specifics terribly closely, so neh. :p
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I think the actual solution here is to give us her sn, so we can....harass a 15 year old girl? That came out wrong.
ps. i think you're gay
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8748 Posts
i'd give you advice so godly that it'd bring aphrodite herself to your knees, but I see no pics so I don't know if it's worth it
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men are getting more and more girly
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You sound like a bitch. Man up. What you are feeling right now is puppy love, some would call this obsession LOL.
@somewhat off-topic.
what are good ice breakers when meeting girls ?
I'm not sure whether to say "hi my name is _____, whats yours?" OR "hi whats your name" OR "hi my name is ___ " and wait for a response. The first conversation is always the toughest for me T_T.
Also on a first day of meeting a girl, I'm not sure if I should show so much attention or act like I'm not really that interested.
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8748 Posts
in a different century, there wouldnt be so many people saying it's not love. society has changed but human nature hasnt :o
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Okay first off I don't understand a few things...
Why the hell do you talk about this shit over INSTANT MESSENGER?... who the hell talks about a relationship via aim...but maybe I am just too old fashioned;-_-
Also I just skimmed your post, but it seems like you wrote about 90% of the time and she just sat there and didn't really input or contribute anything. IMO I don't think she cares about you as much as you do for her. Sorry for being blunt.
And the part about John stuck too. If you're a good friend of John, you're an ass dude. Don't diss your friend behind his back cuz that's kinda fucked up. Talk to him about how you feel and tell him to "Fuck off" and if he is your friend then he will, specially if he's just in it for sex. You won't get your girl by dissing the guy she's really into. Show her why you are BETTER than him rather than why he is shittier than you.
So summing up...just fuck it and move on (not literally let me add :S). You're 15 and young, take some rest off of BW and spend some time with more people. You'll be fine in no time.
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lol yeah, what MAN cockblocks his friend when it's evident you can't seal the deal?
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Everyone thinks they're in love at some rediculously young age and then realises they wernt about 5 years later. It happens, it wont affect your life.
if all else fails, tell her youve got sick multitasking, an incredible APM and you could micro her much better than john ever could.
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Australia3818 Posts
OMFG SHE TALKED TO ME ON MYSPACE AND SHE HAS OVER 10K FRIENDS.
<3 I'm in love.
On a serious note:
Man, just don't worry...you will get over this, I was like this when I was your age.
Thinking I had the strongest feelings of 'love' you could have, thinking that the girl I liked was the best thing ever and no one else could ever compare. Such strong infatuation is pretty bad when she shows nothing in return, especially when she has NO feeling for you at all.
It's unrequited 'love' and it's really shitty.
My suggestion, please just try to get over this and then just go with the flow, eventually a girl will come across your 'path' and you'll both learn to appreciate each other, then maybe you'll fall in love for real.
For it to be true love, you should be loved back in return.
It's the only way, my friend.
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I blame this new bullshit emo craze. It's really messin with kids these days..
IMO you came on way to strong and blew any chances you might have had, only luck now its letting her get with your friend adn then pray you get a chance during the rebound.
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On August 28 2007 17:04 lastshadow wrote:
TheeMiz: that day
TheeMiz: that i removed you from my top
TheeMiz: i felt so bad
TheeMiz: i wanted to call you and say sorry
TheeMiz: so much
If you're talking about myspace (and considering I hear this shit from most of my friends I'm guessing you are) then seriously...what...the...fuck?
As far as actual advice goes, forget her and try to find someone else. I know you probably feel like "but...but, there is no one else". Believe me, there is, you just gotta find her.
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wow you're like the little emotional kid that likes to spill out your heart at your lady, you will get emo about her "ditching" you. i guarantee you'll get moody. just give it up. and don't post conversations you had with your girl here, we wasted time reading a 15-year old conversation about your expressive feelings zzz you're gonna look back at yourself later and realize how stupidly your "heart" had control over you
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On August 28 2007 17:10 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
that's exactly what I was gonna post
"TheeMiz: i told you i loved you and i meant it" You're 15, you don't.
The thing you gotta realize is that considering your age, everyone is gonna treat her about the same (even you). Take it easy. There's a reason people are gonna tell you you don't love her.
Isn't the unspoiled sentimentality of a fifteen year-old more artless and authentic than that of an experienced man who is the master of his desires?
If we compare it to an aesthetic experience, isn't true passion triggered by our very passivity, when an external force touches us beyond the spoils of calculation and premeditation?
If such sentiments are reinforced by good steadfast principles, they can endure the trials of reality. Such a product would still be the ideal lover in my eyes.
Why the hell do you talk about this shit over INSTANT MESSENGER?... who the hell talks about a relationship via aim...but maybe I am just too old fashioned;-_-
It's safer over messenger, it's also ineffectual, and girls of that age always come across sounding like complete imbeciles. Perhaps an overreliance on non-verbal communication makes them impotent there?
Unfortunately I learnt it too late to fully exploit it (15 is like the optimum age for self esteem whores). They want to be wanted. They want to feel attractive. If you want them uncondititionally then they are reassured but not interested. If you hold them in a state of nobody being interested and all the self worth shit is coming from you then they are in your power. You've got to retain the decisions though.
Napoleon did not win his fame by conquering the Duchy of Parma, and neither should you feel trifling conquests are worthy of you. The question is whether your sensitivity is authentic. Sensitivity, like alcohol, is more often consumed with premeditation than not. And if it is made in calculation, what is the purpose in winning the moment to blasphemy eternity?
More importantly, the moral question: is it not a blasphemy against love itself, to deceive people who are truly sensitive with your theatrics?
In other words: there is no profit to being an asshole.
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sounds like you need to play more bw...plus there is no such thing as love, all you're feeling is puberty
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On August 28 2007 17:37 i.play.ZERG wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2007 17:35 Manifesto7 wrote:
I think you are a bastard for selling out your friend John like that. If I were John, and I read TL, I would say fuck you. But if John doesn't read TL, I'll do it for him. Fuck you. That's brilliant
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On August 29 2007 00:02 zer0das wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2007 23:55 Hawk wrote:On August 28 2007 23:46 zer0das wrote:
I don't think anyone is really qualified to say it isn't love. Now, they both might not be mature enough to deal with it, but clearly at least he has romantic love for her.
From personal experience, it'll fade with due time. If she wants nothing to do with you, there's not much you can do with it. Then you can repeat the process again with another girl, until you've grown and they've grown and boom.
Or something. >_> Talking to a girl for 5 months when you're 15 definitely isn't love. He didn't even mention hanging out with her, he admitted to chosing to play bw all summer over chilling with her or doing anything (rofl) and admitted that he really stopped tlaking to her a lot. Love requires two people, where as a crush only needs ones. clearly all the people ranting about how this is love have no clue. Someone clearly has never heard of unrequited love. Anywho, I didn't read the specifics terribly closely, so neh. :p
It's nothing more than a nice way of saying someone is obsessive over someone else =p
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
people, please stop asking for pics of a 15 year old girl.
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Damn, I didn't know getting removed from someone's top actually meant something.
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On August 28 2007 19:29 Smurg wrote:
It's pretty weird.
You spill your heart 100% and she's just like "Hey, what do you mean I'm an object in his eye?"
It's as if you finished some nice poetry and she's like "Hey, what's on TV tonight?"
Exactly my point, only i interpert is this way.
Shadow talks about his stuff on and on and when he mentions John, the girl suddenly becomes interested.
Shadow then talks some more, but she's still focused on john.
iono dude, it seems like she's into john very much. and that object thing, im gettin the feeling she's ok with that, she might even like it.
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Love is a gamble, that doesn't mean you have to bet all you have, and too early for that matter. You declared your intentions too early on a girl who isn't ready for a relationship like most at that age.
Ill add a quote from my favourite movie that rings true in all of love's circumstances:
"Real loss is only possible when you love something more than yourself."
If you love something, the closest thing to showing it is to die to protect it. I really doubt at 15 you could possibly consider another life over your own.
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i would find other girl
and fuck her . try that and you will forget about this other one realy fast .
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On August :20 Hot_Bid wrote:
FUCK YAEH.
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type out.
find a new game.
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I try not the read into this depressing matter too much. Since the pleasure denied is not very valuable to me (and I don't see anything from this conversation which suggests any true value) I can only imagine the sublime experience you imagine to be denied to you.
The trend for our generation seems to be momentary obsessions, and a few years later, one views that period as nothing more than youthful insanity. Therefore resist the temptation to ruin yourself in love, as often passes in romantic melodrama and just wait the matter out.
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Why are so many people in this thread so jaded and saying this bullshit about "girls only want cocks and assholes until they marry and then they only want money blah blah blah." How many of you have actually been with girls like that? Or are you all just repeating the same meaningless, cliche bullshit?
Most girls aren't actually like that, and if you think they are you just need to change your taste in women, because every girl I've ever been interested in wasn't like this at all.
To the op: This girl obviously isn't interested in you, and she's not worth being with. Especially at 15 years old. Most girls don't start really knowing what they want until they're at least out of high school, and neither do you, or most guys for that matter.
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United States10774 Posts
Uhhh this girl doesn't even look like she's worth pursuing, really. After you tell her how you feel towards her in two big paragraphs she goes "sooo what does object in my eye mean?" It's kind of obvious she's not interested in you, at least not anymore. Also she seems like one of those weird girls who are afraid to "talk" in real life and over the phone but only prefers to do it behind her monitor.
Sounds pretty...odd. good luck though and keep pressuring it ;o
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On August 28 2007 17:08 Excalibur_Z wrote:
It's not love. For Christ's sake man, you're 15 years old. You don't know shit. Take it from me and every other 20-something who's going to respond to this thread. Focus on your ice cream socials and dance parties and jukeboxes and don't stress out over some chick. Girls don't know what they want until they reach their 20s and even then some have no idea or change their minds repeatedly.
That is all you need to know, sometimes your answer comes fast huh?
Focus on having fun, you will have time to get serious with girls in the future, you're just too young now, and girls at your age don't know what they want, so don't stick to any of them ^^
On August 28 2007 17:13 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Pimp slap that ho
This made me laugh a lot, LOL
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I'm not trying to hop on the bandwagon but seriously dude, if you think thats love, then you haven't had your ass kicked by females enough.
You're in the process of getting your ass kicked as we type this. You spill your heart out and she flat out tells you to put it in a paragraph and you did like a little bitch. Girls are always going to try to make you their "bitch", you have to find a way around it.
Baal and kwark are giving good advice that 15 year olds don't know, follow it. Don't go into more conversations with her and say the same shit because believe it or not, SHE.IS.NOT.INTERESTED. Let her date that John dude and get her ass dumped. Cruel but it's life. She has to learn that lesson like you said. However, she really does seem like the retarded type. She just kept repeating what you said into a question.
***To the person who has a jaded insight of females. Yes most want assholes. You're obviously only aiming for the minority if you actually think that this isn't true. Unlike you, you haven't seen the majority of the females around that most guys who have had their ass kicked can truly see. They're the ones who can give the best of advice.***
***To Moltke; Who let shakespeare into this thread?***
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On August 29 2007 01:46 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
people, please stop asking for pics of a 15 year old girl.
they're just all testie's alts
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On August 29 2007 02:10 PJA wrote:
Why are so many people in this thread so jaded and saying this bullshit about "girls only want cocks and assholes until they marry and then they only want money blah blah blah." How many of you have actually been with girls like that? Or are you all just repeating the same meaningless, cliche bullshit?
Most girls aren't actually like that, and if you think they are you just need to change your taste in women, because every girl I've ever been interested in wasn't like this at all.
To the op: This girl obviously isn't interested in you, and she's not worth being with. Especially at 15 years old. Most girls don't start really knowing what they want until they're at least out of high school, and neither do you, or most guys for that matter.
Maybe not all turn out to be money grubbing whores in the end, but until they are married, you can damn well bet that girls are a hell of a lot more often going to go for the assholes than the nice guy book worm. Try going out sometime and testing this theory, there's a reason why everyone preaches it.
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File under "Drama".
The feelings are intense, but they won't last like you think they will. Don't take any of it too seriously.
Experience will really change your perspective. Someday you'll look back at the way you're thinking now, shake your head, and say, "What a dumb kid I was..." and you'll look back at the way everyone else was acting and say, "What a bunch of dumb kids..."
That's why you've got to take it easy and not get in over your head.
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On August 29 2007 02:10 PJA wrote:
Why are so many people in this thread so jaded and saying this bullshit about "girls only want cocks and assholes until they marry and then they only want money blah blah blah." How many of you have actually been with girls like that? Or are you all just repeating the same meaningless, cliche bullshit?
Because its true? T_T I'm sure there at least a couple other people who have also done it with success or at least seen it done.
On August 29 2007 01:46 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
people, please stop asking for pics of a 15 year old girl.
I dont mind, shes only a year younger than me
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On August 29 2007 02:45 Jathin wrote:
HE WAS A BOY, SHE WAS A GIRL. COULD I MAKE IT ANY MORE OBVIOUS???
From that convo. it seemed the other way around but meh.
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She's like, sooo whateverrrrr ~
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honestly keep your good hearth, she aint ready for anything you desire. she cant give you anything but keep your true idea of love, i did so too.
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I want to state 2 things.
a) I just sent her a message basically telling her I don't want to like her anymore. You (TL.net) has shown me little things about that conversation that I was too tunnel visioned to see. So we'll see where that goes.
b) Like I said that conversation proceeds... she tells me she likes me alot etc, and I did say alot of this over the phone about 2 days ago, and she was interested in it. However... I don't know TL.net I want to be with her so badly, but it seems like she doesn't give a shit, BUT says that she really does.
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WTF? 15,feel down? Go watch the movie "City of God"
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On August 29 2007 03:00 lastshadow wrote:
I want to state 2 things.
a) I just sent her a message basically telling her I don't want to like her anymore. You (TL.net) has shown me little things about that conversation that I was too tunnel visioned to see. So we'll see where that goes.
b) Like I said that conversation proceeds... she tells me she likes me alot etc, and I did say alot of this over the phone about 2 days ago, and she was interested in it. However... I don't know TL.net I want to be with her so badly, but it seems like she doesn't give a shit, BUT says that she really does.
Don't believe a word, she might actually want to believe it herself but most likely doesn't. You see the thing about these types of females are is that their insecure of being alone. They want to be at least with one person at all times if they could help it.
By not having you tell her off and leave her she'd be at point blank. She wants to at least have you in her life until she gets on with the new boy. So she can transition herself from one person to another. You seriously don't need this, you're being thrown around and you should know better of it, just call it off and go find someone who's love will reciprocate your feelings.
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I wonder if this chick is posting on a girlz only forumz, doing the complete opposite...
"so theres this dude who's completely obsessed with me...."
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To bad I came into this thread so late. Reminds me of when I was like 16, I used to be so obsessed with this girl but I just couldn't work up the balls to tell her I liked her. Even when I knew she liked me. But I missed my chance and she soon moved on. Long story short, I spent like a year of my life trying to get with this chick that I could of sworn "I loved" but looking back on it. I really didn't. I was just a lonely moron who wanted her and nothing else.
People that young don't understand their feelings. Its just that plain and simple.
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Girls don't like assholes. Girls go out with men who ask them out, without being timid or apologetic.
Assholes, coincidentally, are good at this. They don't care who they offend, so they ask a lot of girls out, while all of the "nice guys" are staring at the floor worrying about whether they'd be bothering a girl if they talk to her. They ask girls out when they're going out with other girls, they ask girls out when they have boyfriends, etc.
If you want to be more successful with women, don't be a dick, just be more forward and honest to yourself about what you want. If you want a girl, ask her out. If you want a girl for a girlfriend, don't treat her as a friend - that's establishing a dishonest relationship and it's unfair to her and yourself.
Don't commit yourself to a girl who hasn't committed herself to you. Don't treat something new and uncertain or casual as something serious, and never assume a girl is in a serious relationship just because she has a boyfriend. If it's not serious, there's no commitment, and you're not doing anything wrong by exploring other options.
If you shy away from girls, or ask for dates like you're begging for a favor, of course you're not going to go out much. You're probably going to pay for the date, and at the very least you're the one who's taking the initiative to try and relieve some of the boredom in your lives, so really it's you who's offering her a favor, and if she doesn't want it, it's her loss. Act like it.
If you have no experience or low confidence, don't ask girls out who you look up to. Asking for a date is not proposing marriage. Go out with girls you know you won't stay with. It's good clean fun. Ask girls out who probably won't say no, have a good time, make sure they have a good time, and learn to be comfortable and natural through experience. Girls will talk to each other about how you treat them, and you can get a reputation as a fun date, making it even easier. Some girls won't go out with anyone who hasn't built up a reputation like that.
Don't be a dick. Don't exaggerate your feelings. Don't lead them on. Don't get them in trouble. Don't brag about whatever happens, especially if it didn't actually happen. None of that stuff is necessary. Be honest about being casual and just looking for some fun.
But don't always give up at the first obstacle. "I have a boyfriend." is not the same thing as an outright "No." and even "No." sometimes means "I can be convinced. Tell me more." or "Ask me later." Girls like a little persistence, it can be flattering to be pursued.
Don't overdo it. "Stop bothering me." does mean "Stop bothering me." Don't follow girls around, or hang around near them while you build up your courage to ask - your hesitation gives the message that you've got something in mind for her that you're not sure she'd like. It's creepy and frightening.
Women like nice guys. Women have little use for timid guys, and rightly distrust inexperienced guys who think they want something serious. Saying that women prefer assholes is a way of blaming your virtues for your problems, and making excuses for yourself so you don't have to grow.
Parents used to teach their kids this stuff. I don't know what happened. TV replaced family conversation? Fiction is a lousy way to learn about life.
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On August 28 2007 22:54 Smurg wrote:
Just say what I say to all women.
Te suka.
Hehe that means similar in hungarian too. Only we write it like "Te szuka" Similar like kurva :D ( I believe polish friends understand this too )
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
i wouldn't post internet convos of your friend on massive websites where tons of ppl could read it... including himself.
imagine his face if he were to see this thread. your an idiot.
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On August 29 2007 03:16 Hawk wrote:
I wonder if this chick is posting on a girlz only forumz, doing the complete opposite...
"so theres this dude who's completely obsessed with me...."
LOL
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On August 28 2007 17:04 lastshadow wrote:
TheeMiz: all he fucking says is
TheeMiz: "i'd fuck her"
TheeMiz: and it disgusts me
TheeMiz: he tells me he doesn't like you
TheeMiz: but he'd fuck you
TheeMiz: wtf is that
DID YOU JUST FUCKING SELL ME OUT!?
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On August 29 2007 03:36 MyLostTemple wrote:
i wouldn't post internet convos of your friend on massive websites where tons of ppl could read it... including himself.
imagine his face if he were to see this thread. your an idiot.
Yea i bet john is hunting around the internet for random conversations posted in starcraft forums with his first name in them.
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Why was this over online? True feelings are expressed presonally
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On August 29 2007 03:00 lastshadow wrote:
I want to state 2 things.
a) I just sent her a message basically telling her I don't want to like her anymore. You (TL.net) has shown me little things about that conversation that I was too tunnel visioned to see. So we'll see where that goes.
b) Like I said that conversation proceeds... she tells me she likes me alot etc, and I did say alot of this over the phone about 2 days ago, and she was interested in it. However... I don't know TL.net I want to be with her so badly, but it seems like she doesn't give a shit, BUT says that she really does.
stop dumping your feelings and conclusions on this girl. don't send her messages about how you dont wanna like her anymore and how its gonna be hard but you've made up your mind blaaaaah blaaaah blaaaaah
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testpat
United States565 Posts
On August 29 2007 03:00 lastshadow wrote:
I want to state 2 things.
a) I just sent her a message basically telling her I don't want to like her anymore. You (TL.net) has shown me little things about that conversation that I was too tunnel visioned to see. So we'll see where that goes.
b) Like I said that conversation proceeds... she tells me she likes me alot etc, and I did say alot of this over the phone about 2 days ago, and she was interested in it. However... I don't know TL.net I want to be with her so badly, but it seems like she doesn't give a shit, BUT says that she really does.
You are fucked. You are not listening. This one is over, chalk it up as a lesson.
That tirade you started with said pressure, desperate, whiny, and clingy. To top it off, you badmouthed a friend. You can't guilt a girl into loving you. These are not qualities women look for in a boyfriend.
At this point, she is trying to salvage a relationship .... with you as a friend. You are not - so at best you'll become her puppy bitch, following her around giving her free love to validate herself. While having female friends is nice, you are in no position to appreciate her in this way.
Back off from her. Ask anyone else out & don't talk about her with them. Don't make plans with her, don't initiate aim conversations. If she does, say hi and tell her your busy. A month or two from now (and with another girl or two) you'll have a better perspective, as will she. If you are still interested in her at this time ask her out on a real date.
It may seem like a lot of the advice here is harsh - but its just most of us reliving our first major crushes, cringing as we see you go through the same ordeal. For myself, every girl i tried to hold on tightly as she pulled away never came back. A few of the ones that I let go did.
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is awesome32274 Posts
On August 29 2007 02:45 Jathin wrote:
HE WAS A BOY, SHE WAS A GIRL. COULD I MAKE IT ANY MORE OBVIOUS???
HEY HEY YOU YOU I DONT LIKE YOUR GIRLFRIEND
NO WAY NO WAY I THINK YOU NEED A NEW ONE 
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On August 29 2007 04:36 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2007 02:45 Jathin wrote:
HE WAS A BOY, SHE WAS A GIRL. COULD I MAKE IT ANY MORE OBVIOUS??? HEY HEY YOU YOU I DONT LIKE YOUR GIRLFRIEND NO WAY NO WAY I THINK YOU NEED A NEW ONE
now can you sing that in 15 languages like her?
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On August 29 2007 04:38 lastshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2007 04:36 IntoTheWow wrote:On August 29 2007 02:45 Jathin wrote:
HE WAS A BOY, SHE WAS A GIRL. COULD I MAKE IT ANY MORE OBVIOUS??? HEY HEY YOU YOU I DONT LIKE YOUR GIRLFRIEND NO WAY NO WAY I THINK YOU NEED A NEW ONE now can you sing that in 15 languages like her?
she could sing it in 150 languages and it would still suck as bad as the english version
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On August 29 2007 04:38 lastshadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2007 04:36 IntoTheWow wrote:On August 29 2007 02:45 Jathin wrote:
HE WAS A BOY, SHE WAS A GIRL. COULD I MAKE IT ANY MORE OBVIOUS??? HEY HEY YOU YOU I DONT LIKE YOUR GIRLFRIEND NO WAY NO WAY I THINK YOU NEED A NEW ONE now can you sing that in 15 languages like her?
It would be a challenge to pronounce them all so poorly.
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On August 29 2007 03:27 Funchucks wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Girls don't like assholes. Girls go out with men who ask them out, without being timid or apologetic.
Assholes, coincidentally, are good at this. They don't care who they offend, so they ask a lot of girls out, while all of the "nice guys" are staring at the floor worrying about whether they'd be bothering a girl if they talk to her. They ask girls out when they're going out with other girls, they ask girls out when they have boyfriends, etc.
If you want to be more successful with women, don't be a dick, just be more forward and honest to yourself about what you want. If you want a girl, ask her out. If you want a girl for a girlfriend, don't treat her as a friend - that's establishing a dishonest relationship and it's unfair to her and yourself.
Don't commit yourself to a girl who hasn't committed herself to you. Don't treat something new and uncertain or casual as something serious, and never assume a girl is in a serious relationship just because she has a boyfriend. If it's not serious, there's no commitment, and you're not doing anything wrong by exploring other options.
If you shy away from girls, or ask for dates like you're begging for a favor, of course you're not going to go out much. You're probably going to pay for the date, and at the very least you're the one who's taking the initiative to try and relieve some of the boredom in your lives, so really it's you who's offering her a favor, and if she doesn't want it, it's her loss. Act like it.
If you have no experience or low confidence, don't ask girls out who you look up to. Asking for a date is not proposing marriage. Go out with girls you know you won't stay with. It's good clean fun. Ask girls out who probably won't say no, have a good time, make sure they have a good time, and learn to be comfortable and natural through experience. Girls will talk to each other about how you treat them, and you can get a reputation as a fun date, making it even easier. Some girls won't go out with anyone who hasn't built up a reputation like that.
Don't be a dick. Don't exaggerate your feelings. Don't lead them on. Don't get them in trouble. Don't brag about whatever happens, especially if it didn't actually happen. None of that stuff is necessary. Be honest about being casual and just looking for some fun.
But don't always give up at the first obstacle. "I have a boyfriend." is not the same thing as an outright "No." and even "No." sometimes means "I can be convinced. Tell me more." or "Ask me later." Girls like a little persistence, it can be flattering to be pursued.
Don't overdo it. "Stop bothering me." does mean "Stop bothering me." Don't follow girls around, or hang around near them while you build up your courage to ask - your hesitation gives the message that you've got something in mind for her that you're not sure she'd like. It's creepy and frightening.
Women like nice guys. Women have little use for timid guys, and rightly distrust inexperienced guys who think they want something serious. Saying that women prefer assholes is a way of blaming your virtues for your problems, and making excuses for yourself so you don't have to grow.
Parents used to teach their kids this stuff. I don't know what happened. TV replaced family conversation? Fiction is a lousy way to learn about life.
Im drunk but.. QFT
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Belgium6771 Posts
On August 29 2007 04:25 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Ugh drama...
wait didnt you have an internetgf who you emailed about 'do you still love me' after not seeing her for like 6 months? =P
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On August 29 2007 04:49 Xeofreestyler wrote:wait didnt you have an internetgf who you emailed about 'do you still love me' after not seeing her for like 6 months? =P
LOL
but can we please stay on topic
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At 15 he thinks his situation is important, even though it's rather frivolous. Honestly though, you're only 15 and you'll have to move on and get used to the feeling.
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How is it so many guys make the same first mistake, then when asking for advice refuse to heed it fully.
As everyone else has said, just stop trying, and just cut things off with her. Just cut her from your life and continue on like you never met her. Once the school year starts you will see another girl, find her attractive, and you go ask her out. You have fun with her and in a few months if it goes south and you happen to see the chick you like now, and sparks fly on both sides again maybe give it a shot.
Also, as everyone else has said, you don't love her, you most likely love the thought of loving her, and are infatuated. Just realize theres more than one fish in the sea and just go fishing. You'll get more experience this way and have a better idea of what you really want in a woman later in life.
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On August 29 2007 05:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
How is it so many guys make the same first mistake, then when asking for advice refuse to heed it fully.
As everyone else has said, just stop trying, and just cut things off with her. Just cut her from your life and continue on like you never met her. Once the school year starts you will see another girl, find her attractive, and you go ask her out. You have fun with her and in a few months if it goes south and you happen to see the chick you like now, and sparks fly on both sides again maybe give it a shot.
Also, as everyone else has said, you don't love her, you most likely love the thought of loving her, and are infatuated. Just realize theres more than one fish in the sea and just go fishing. You'll get more experience this way and have a better idea of what you really want in a woman later in life.
Because it's the first time, and most guys aren't smart or mature enough to realize that they're falling into a trap. It's like walking over a rug that's draped over a hole. The older/experienced ones will know it's a trap. But the newbies refuse to trust them and go by their amateur instincts and just walk over it, thus falling.
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Belgium6771 Posts
She seriously sounds like a dumbass bitch.
Get her out of your life, now.
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omg ur weak man, "I love you and i meant it"
dont be so weak, girls dont like that in a guy..cmon man grow some balls and just tell her that u really like and that you want to go out with her, why are u making this shit so difficult when ur situation is so damn easy.
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On August 29 2007 06:14 yaoherm50 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2007 05:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
How is it so many guys make the same first mistake, then when asking for advice refuse to heed it fully.
As everyone else has said, just stop trying, and just cut things off with her. Just cut her from your life and continue on like you never met her. Once the school year starts you will see another girl, find her attractive, and you go ask her out. You have fun with her and in a few months if it goes south and you happen to see the chick you like now, and sparks fly on both sides again maybe give it a shot.
Also, as everyone else has said, you don't love her, you most likely love the thought of loving her, and are infatuated. Just realize theres more than one fish in the sea and just go fishing. You'll get more experience this way and have a better idea of what you really want in a woman later in life. Because it's the first time, and most guys aren't smart or mature enough to realize that they're falling into a trap. It's like walking over a rug that's draped over a hole. The older/experienced ones will know it's a trap. But the newbies refuse to trust them and go by their amateur instincts and just walk over it, thus falling.
I'll let someone else finish this off
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[QUOTE]On August 29 2007 06:51 Hawk wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 29 2007 06:14 yaoherm50 wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 29 2007 05:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
How is it so many guys make the same first mistake, then when asking for advice refuse to heed it fully.
As everyone else has said, just stop trying, and just cut things off with her. Just cut her from your life and continue on like you never met her. Once the school year starts you will see another girl, find her attractive, and you go ask her out. You have fun with her and in a few months if it goes south and you happen to see the chick you like now, and sparks fly on both sides again maybe give it a shot.
Also, as everyone else has said, you don't love her, you most likely love the thought of loving her, and are infatuated. Just realize theres more than one fish in the sea and just go fishing. You'll get more experience this way and have a better idea of what you really want in a woman later in life.[/QUOTE]
Because it's the first time, and most guys aren't smart or mature enough to realize that they're falling into a trap. It's like walking over a rug that's draped over a hole. The older/experienced ones will know it's a trap. But the newbies refuse to trust them and go by their amateur instincts and just walk over it, thus falling.[/QUOTE]
People need to stop making up shitty analogies. Who the hell can tell if there is a hole under a fucking rug? Experienced or not if it's hidden your falling through it imo.
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Dude i read all the critisism in this thread and its fuking pitful, how long is this shadow rush shit gunna last, i mean hell if he posts in the strat forum go ahead but hes being serious here and i think we should be a lil more serious too.
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Srry im not really sure what to tell u man, i just started high school, and im 14 myself, so i wish u gl and hope it turns out good.
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
High school starts in 14? Crazy Americans!
Dunno, high school in Russia is something you can start after finishing the mandatory 9-year (sometimes 8) education and 2 extra years of "full middle education".
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quick tip: get your permit now -o-...
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Soo u start high school when ur 11 or what i dont get it :[.
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eh.....yeah i think you start at 14 normally in the U.S.
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On August 29 2007 07:34 In)Spire wrote:
Soo u start high school when ur 11 or what i dont get it :[.
Hopefully you learn to count in highschool.
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On August 29 2007 07:21 In)Spire wrote:
Dude i read all the critisism in this thread and its fuking pitful, how long is this shadow rush shit gunna last, i mean hell if he posts in the strat forum go ahead but hes being serious here and i think we should be a lil more serious too.
Yeah, like how its terrible to talk shit behind your "friends" back. He's 15, once he sees a bigger set of tits his dick(I'm sorry feelings) will lead him another way.
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