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If this thread turns into a USPMT 2.0, we will not hesitate to shut it down. Do not even bother posting if all you're going to do is shit on the Democratic candidates while adding nothing of value.

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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-19 15:30:09
March 19 2020 15:28 GMT
#1721
On March 20 2020 00:14 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2020 23:15 JimmiC wrote:
Politicians who promoted policy that people who vote didn't care about wouldn't get elected. Which is why change is not occurring, people don't want it. They want the safety of what they know.

It sucks that Americans who vote don't want what progressives are offering. But that is the reality of what the cotes are saying.

I'd be very concerned about people who suggest they know better what the people want than them, it is unlikely that you are taking the time to understand their position and are going to come off terribly and more likely turn them off to your ideas than get them on board.

Given that in the vast majority of states if you aren't registered with a party you aren't allowed to vote in their primary, it's fair to say that what the voting base at large wants is entirely obfuscated.


For the record, 24/50 states have an open Democratic primary (though not a completely open one; in some you might need to be declared unaffiliated to cross lines). Quite a few opened this season that weren't in 2016, I think. It's far from the vast majority that have closed primaries.

And, honestly, I have never been able to come to a good conclusion on whether a primary should be open or closed. In the purest sense, it isn't to determine who Americans think should be the Democratic nominee-it's to determine who Democrats think should be the Democratic nominee. If we had more than two parties, I think you could make a good argument for closed primaries. That argument just falls apart in our era of voter disillusionment, plummeting party identification, people with no time or desire to update their affiliation, and near-schism in both parties.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45031 Posts
March 19 2020 15:30 GMT
#1722
On March 20 2020 00:20 ticklishmusic wrote:
Well, Tulsi dropped out and endorsed Biden.

Alright, now I'm firmly convinced that in 2016 I fell through some wormhole into some weird alternative timeline.


I'm sure her seven supporters will really influence the remaining Biden vs. Sanders primaries. It's quite hilarious that "Tulsi Gabbard was one of the final three Democratic primary candidates" is a semantically accurate sentence. Devoid of all context, of course, but technically correct.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
March 19 2020 15:34 GMT
#1723
On March 20 2020 00:28 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2020 00:14 Gahlo wrote:
On March 19 2020 23:15 JimmiC wrote:
Politicians who promoted policy that people who vote didn't care about wouldn't get elected. Which is why change is not occurring, people don't want it. They want the safety of what they know.

It sucks that Americans who vote don't want what progressives are offering. But that is the reality of what the cotes are saying.

I'd be very concerned about people who suggest they know better what the people want than them, it is unlikely that you are taking the time to understand their position and are going to come off terribly and more likely turn them off to your ideas than get them on board.

Given that in the vast majority of states if you aren't registered with a party you aren't allowed to vote in their primary, it's fair to say that what the voting base at large wants is entirely obfuscated.


For the record, 24/50 states have an open Democratic primary (though not a completely open one; in some you might need to be declared unaffiliated to cross lines). Quite a few opened this season that weren't in 2016, I think. It's far from the vast majority that have closed primaries.

And, honestly, I have never been able to come to a good conclusion on whether a primary should be open or closed. In the purest sense, it isn't to determine who Americans think should be the Democratic nominee-it's to determine who Democrats think should be the Democratic nominee. If we had more than two parties, I think you could make a good argument for closed primaries. That argument just falls apart in our era of voter disillusionment, plummeting party identification, people with no time or desire to update their affiliation, and near-schism in both parties.

Fair point, didn't know things shifted that much.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9245 Posts
March 19 2020 15:38 GMT
#1724
I'm a little surprised Gabbard endorsed Biden. Wasn't she angry at the party for changing rules to prevent her from participating in the debates? And yet now she endorses the party's preferred candidate. I don't get it.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-19 15:50:34
March 19 2020 15:49 GMT
#1725
On March 20 2020 00:38 Sent. wrote:
I'm a little surprised Gabbard endorsed Biden. Wasn't she angry at the party for changing rules to prevent her from participating in the debates? And yet now she endorses the party's preferred candidate. I don't get it.


The Carrot and/or the Stick.

The DNC has a lot of power, they can use that power against any of these former hopefuls. What are you going to do when Obama calls you and does something like threaten to end your career or promises you something that gives you a much better opportunity than you'd get any other way, most people cave clearly.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-19 16:36:02
March 19 2020 16:35 GMT
#1726
Gabbard seemed like she was pretty clearly in this for the attention. Given that she got quite a bit from some places, such as the Fox News interview cycles, she did get that. But now that the music has stopped, maybe she got a nice handout for falling in line with the party's wishes.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
March 19 2020 16:54 GMT
#1727
There's probably also some level of "I don't want to keep being a joke" for Gabbard. Because right now half (or more) of the attention she's receiving is people laughing at her for finishing behind three-four people who dropped out of the race in some of these contests.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
March 19 2020 16:59 GMT
#1728
On March 20 2020 00:38 Sent. wrote:
I'm a little surprised Gabbard endorsed Biden. Wasn't she angry at the party for changing rules to prevent her from participating in the debates? And yet now she endorses the party's preferred candidate. I don't get it.

Her primary position is anti-interventionism, which there isn't much of a distinction between the two afaik. She's still dealing with a bunch of nonsense from the DNC for snubbing Clinton in 2016 and probably doesn't see it worth repeating for Biden, especially with the state of the primary.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 19 2020 18:11 GMT
#1729
On March 20 2020 01:54 TheTenthDoc wrote:
There's probably also some level of "I don't want to keep being a joke" for Gabbard. Because right now half (or more) of the attention she's receiving is people laughing at her for finishing behind three-four people who dropped out of the race in some of these contests.


To be frank, I don't think she and/or the people she surrounded herself with really have any idea what the hell they're doing. Hanlon's Razor type situation.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
March 19 2020 18:12 GMT
#1730
It seems even Reddit has completely moved past the democratic primary. Pretty insane. It is as if it isn't even happening.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
March 19 2020 18:50 GMT
#1731
On March 20 2020 03:12 Mohdoo wrote:
It seems even Reddit has completely moved past the democratic primary. Pretty insane. It is as if it isn't even happening.

Not surprising considering the majority of redditors that are political and not republican are Sander supporters.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
March 19 2020 19:42 GMT
#1732
Since we commonly do not shame events after the fact enough, I would like to re-link to Pete's post-Iowa speech:



aged like milk etc.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
March 19 2020 20:32 GMT
#1733
I totally dismissed a possible Biden revival after his support dropped 20% over a period of 2 weeks in Iowa and bombed the first three primaries. Who’s gonna flip over to him when Buttigieg and Klobuchar have more energy in the center lane?

Turns out, black moderates in SC and an improbable duo-dropout prior to Super Tuesday of his biggest spoilers (with Warren sticking in to deny Bernie at least two states he may have won).

Bernie’s last chance was on the 17th, Arizona-Florida-Illinois, and he couldn’t even win a single County in Florida. And this against a guy whose Illinois “online rally” felt like aides needed to remind him it was a live rally (and FFS cut the feed when your guy forgets why he’s in front of a camera).



I say his de facto rallying cry is 4 years of not-Trump.
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Garbels
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria653 Posts
March 20 2020 16:54 GMT
#1734
Do you guys know if Biden, should he win, would be able to freely select his cabinet?
Or would it be more likely that he had to "trade" some positions away for support.

How is this done gererally? Is this known?
Or is it more like: "Great you won. You do what you want...hope you remember me."
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-20 17:05:09
March 20 2020 17:04 GMT
#1735
On March 21 2020 01:54 Garbels wrote:
Do you guys know if Biden, should he win, would be able to freely select his cabinet?
Or would it be more likely that he had to "trade" some positions away for support.

How is this done gererally? Is this known?
Or is it more like: "Great you won. You do what you want...hope you remember me."

I think it's standard to expect dealing of some sort, in the case of other moderates endorsing/dropping earlier than they wanted, or in the case of Warren the lack of an endorsement. In the end, we'll never really know unless they confirm it publicly.

In the end, if there's a quid pro quo, Biden has the leverage so he's making that choice anyway.
Bourgeois
Profile Joined June 2017
81 Posts
March 20 2020 18:52 GMT
#1736
On March 20 2020 04:42 Mohdoo wrote:
Since we commonly do not shame events after the fact enough, I would like to re-link to Pete's post-Iowa speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx5EyRpmIZc

aged like milk etc.


Jesus Christ what a fuggat. I pretty much lost all respect for him when he endorsed Biden. Did anyone find out who Elizabeth Warren endorsed in the end?

User was temp banned for this post.
Bourgeois
Profile Joined June 2017
81 Posts
March 20 2020 18:56 GMT
#1737
On March 20 2020 05:32 Danglars wrote:
I totally dismissed a possible Biden revival after his support dropped 20% over a period of 2 weeks in Iowa and bombed the first three primaries. Who’s gonna flip over to him when Buttigieg and Klobuchar have more energy in the center lane?

Turns out, black moderates in SC and an improbable duo-dropout prior to Super Tuesday of his biggest spoilers (with Warren sticking in to deny Bernie at least two states he may have won).

Bernie’s last chance was on the 17th, Arizona-Florida-Illinois, and he couldn’t even win a single County in Florida. And this against a guy whose Illinois “online rally” felt like aides needed to remind him it was a live rally (and FFS cut the feed when your guy forgets why he’s in front of a camera).

https://twitter.com/hollandcourtney/status/1238697196763021312

I say his de facto rallying cry is 4 years of not-Trump.


This kind of video appeals to the elderly voters, they vote for those who are like them.

Old people and black people, seriously, are what fucked this up. People say blame the Democratic establishment - NO. Blame the blacks in South Carolina. Seriously, without black people, we'd probably have a much more competent candidate right now. But people are too politically correct to say it. So they'll say oh it's because young people didn't vote. NO, it's the fact that black people are too uneducated to follow politics other than oh this guy's the guy Obama likes so let's vote for him. If Trump gets another four years, the blame lies on those black people. I guess Biden is better than Bloomberg though, God imagine if that China licking loser became president:

DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45031 Posts
March 20 2020 19:12 GMT
#1738
On March 21 2020 03:52 Bourgeois wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2020 04:42 Mohdoo wrote:
Since we commonly do not shame events after the fact enough, I would like to re-link to Pete's post-Iowa speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx5EyRpmIZc

aged like milk etc.


Jesus Christ what a fuggat. I pretty much lost all respect for him when he endorsed Biden. Did anyone find out who Elizabeth Warren endorsed in the end?

User was temp banned for this post.


Why are you surprised that a moderate candidate endorsed a fellow moderate candidate? (Warren hasn't officially endorsed either Biden or Sanders yet.)
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23460 Posts
March 20 2020 19:13 GMT
#1739
On March 21 2020 04:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2020 03:52 Bourgeois wrote:
On March 20 2020 04:42 Mohdoo wrote:
Since we commonly do not shame events after the fact enough, I would like to re-link to Pete's post-Iowa speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx5EyRpmIZc

aged like milk etc.


Jesus Christ what a fuggat. I pretty much lost all respect for him when he endorsed Biden. Did anyone find out who Elizabeth Warren endorsed in the end?

User was temp banned for this post.


Why are you surprised that a moderate candidate endorsed a fellow moderate candidate? (Warren hasn't officially endorsed either Biden or Sanders yet.)


That is an endorsement in itself, albeit a half-assed one imo.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
March 20 2020 19:24 GMT
#1740
On March 21 2020 03:56 Bourgeois wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2020 05:32 Danglars wrote:
I totally dismissed a possible Biden revival after his support dropped 20% over a period of 2 weeks in Iowa and bombed the first three primaries. Who’s gonna flip over to him when Buttigieg and Klobuchar have more energy in the center lane?

Turns out, black moderates in SC and an improbable duo-dropout prior to Super Tuesday of his biggest spoilers (with Warren sticking in to deny Bernie at least two states he may have won).

Bernie’s last chance was on the 17th, Arizona-Florida-Illinois, and he couldn’t even win a single County in Florida. And this against a guy whose Illinois “online rally” felt like aides needed to remind him it was a live rally (and FFS cut the feed when your guy forgets why he’s in front of a camera).

https://twitter.com/hollandcourtney/status/1238697196763021312

I say his de facto rallying cry is 4 years of not-Trump.


This kind of video appeals to the elderly voters, they vote for those who are like them.

Old people and black people, seriously, are what fucked this up. People say blame the Democratic establishment - NO. Blame the blacks in South Carolina. Seriously, without black people, we'd probably have a much more competent candidate right now. But people are too politically correct to say it. So they'll say oh it's because young people didn't vote. NO, it's the fact that black people are too uneducated to follow politics other than oh this guy's the guy Obama likes so let's vote for him. If Trump gets another four years, the blame lies on those black people. I guess Biden is better than Bloomberg though, God imagine if that China licking loser became president:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRvAptfWU90

I couldn't think of a colder take.
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