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On January 30 2019 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2019 07:00 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 06:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 05:41 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 05:38 Doodsmack wrote:On January 30 2019 03:49 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 03:40 Nebuchad wrote:On January 30 2019 03:33 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 03:20 Nebuchad wrote:
It's weird that immediately after Hillary stopped being a meaningful political opponent everyone stopped caring about her crimes. Didn't know a lust for justice could be selective like that. Not sure who you're talking about here. There is a huge number of Trump supporters who still think that she needs to be investigated and prosecuted, and for good reason, too. Yes. The difference is barely noticeable between during the campaign and now If anything, it's more fervent now than it was back during the campaign on account of the Russiagate scandal. And the demand now is to investigate far more people than just Hillary. Sounds like a mob wants to spin up a witch hunt because of their political bias. Political bias is besides the point. The facts speak for themselves. Looking at the tea leaves, the rest of the country is eventually going to be forced to face the facts, at which point there will be a reckoning. You're starting sound like that qanon crap? No, I'm just paying attention to the media leaks per my prior posts. Someone in the know on Trump's side is leaking stuff to friendly media outlets. Combine that with what we publicly know about the Mueller investigation and the continued lack of any semblance of proof of Trump/Russia collusion, and it's not hard to see where this is going. Exactly where I said it was going when it started. You have to be pretty deep into the qanon conspiracies if you think Hillary or anyone else will be held accountable to any significant degree. The best you got was Podesta (the fat one) stepping down.
Why? I cited multiple reports last week that implicated the Hillary campaign in fostering the Trump/Russia collusion narrative (not to mention the fact that Clintons are connected to damned near everyone on the wrong side of this mess). Those reports have nothing to do with qanon, unless you take the position that Q is real and working with the same elements of the Trump administration that are leaking things to the press.
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On January 30 2019 07:44 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2019 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:00 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 06:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 05:41 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 05:38 Doodsmack wrote:On January 30 2019 03:49 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 03:40 Nebuchad wrote:On January 30 2019 03:33 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 03:20 Nebuchad wrote:
It's weird that immediately after Hillary stopped being a meaningful political opponent everyone stopped caring about her crimes. Didn't know a lust for justice could be selective like that. Not sure who you're talking about here. There is a huge number of Trump supporters who still think that she needs to be investigated and prosecuted, and for good reason, too. Yes. The difference is barely noticeable between during the campaign and now If anything, it's more fervent now than it was back during the campaign on account of the Russiagate scandal. And the demand now is to investigate far more people than just Hillary. Sounds like a mob wants to spin up a witch hunt because of their political bias. Political bias is besides the point. The facts speak for themselves. Looking at the tea leaves, the rest of the country is eventually going to be forced to face the facts, at which point there will be a reckoning. You're starting sound like that qanon crap? No, I'm just paying attention to the media leaks per my prior posts. Someone in the know on Trump's side is leaking stuff to friendly media outlets. Combine that with what we publicly know about the Mueller investigation and the continued lack of any semblance of proof of Trump/Russia collusion, and it's not hard to see where this is going. Exactly where I said it was going when it started. You have to be pretty deep into the qanon conspiracies if you think Hillary or anyone else will be held accountable to any significant degree. The best you got was Podesta (the fat one) stepping down. Why? I cited multiple reports last week that implicated the Hillary campaign in fostering the Trump/Russia collusion narrative (not to mention the fact that Clintons are connected to damned near everyone on the wrong side of this mess). Those reports have nothing to do with qanon, unless you take the position that Q is real and working with the same elements of the Trump administration that are leaking things to the press.
Your information tends to be sketch but I have to admit I don't bother reading it most of the time (regarding Hillary) because I think the idea that Trump or Hillary will be held seriously accountable for their shit is pretty ridiculous and takes a suspension of disbelief I haven't been able to maintain since grade school.
I think it was in one of those movies about the 2000 election (could have been a comedy sketch or completely different movie) where it clicked for me. When they were basically saying that "it doesn't matter what the truth is, the system can't handle the truth so we have to sweep this gross abuse under the rug to protect America"
Then I noticed shit like that everywhere. School, workplace, politics, media, entertainment, sports, EVERYWHERE.
That's how I was able to predict the outcome so well so far so far out.
When I said "the best you got is Podesta" what I meant wasn't that was your best evidence, I meant that's your trophy head for all this, you might have another pleb or two but there is 0 chance you get Hillary to be accountable even if there's video of her beating a human baby to death with a baby panda and a crowd of witnesses cheering her on.
The system doesn't work that way, losing face and not being President was her punishment, be content with that or be disappointed later is what I'm saying.
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On January 30 2019 07:56 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2019 07:44 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:00 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 06:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 05:41 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 05:38 Doodsmack wrote:On January 30 2019 03:49 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 03:40 Nebuchad wrote:On January 30 2019 03:33 xDaunt wrote:
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Not sure who you're talking about here. There is a huge number of Trump supporters who still think that she needs to be investigated and prosecuted, and for good reason, too. Yes. The difference is barely noticeable between during the campaign and now If anything, it's more fervent now than it was back during the campaign on account of the Russiagate scandal. And the demand now is to investigate far more people than just Hillary. Sounds like a mob wants to spin up a witch hunt because of their political bias. Political bias is besides the point. The facts speak for themselves. Looking at the tea leaves, the rest of the country is eventually going to be forced to face the facts, at which point there will be a reckoning. You're starting sound like that qanon crap? No, I'm just paying attention to the media leaks per my prior posts. Someone in the know on Trump's side is leaking stuff to friendly media outlets. Combine that with what we publicly know about the Mueller investigation and the continued lack of any semblance of proof of Trump/Russia collusion, and it's not hard to see where this is going. Exactly where I said it was going when it started. You have to be pretty deep into the qanon conspiracies if you think Hillary or anyone else will be held accountable to any significant degree. The best you got was Podesta (the fat one) stepping down. Why? I cited multiple reports last week that implicated the Hillary campaign in fostering the Trump/Russia collusion narrative (not to mention the fact that Clintons are connected to damned near everyone on the wrong side of this mess). Those reports have nothing to do with qanon, unless you take the position that Q is real and working with the same elements of the Trump administration that are leaking things to the press. Your information tends to be sketch but I have to admit I don't bother reading it most of the time (regarding Hillary) because I think the idea that Trump or Hillary will be held seriously accountable for their shit is pretty ridiculous and takes a suspension of disbelief I haven't been able to maintain since grade school. I think it was in one of those movies about the 2000 election (could have been a comedy sketch or completely different movie) where it clicked for me. When they were basically saying that "it doesn't matter what the truth is, the system can't handle the truth so we have to sweep this gross abuse under the rug to protect America" Then I noticed shit like that everywhere. School, workplace, politics, media, entertainment, sports, EVERYWHERE. That's how I was able to predict the outcome so well so far so far out. When I said "the best you got is Podesta" what I meant wasn't that was your best evidence, I meant that's your trophy head for all this, you might have another pleb or two but there is 0 chance you get Hillary to be accountable even if there's video of her beating a human baby to death with a baby panda and a crowd of witnesses cheering her on. The system doesn't work that way, losing face and not being President was her punishment, be content with that or be disappointed later is what I'm saying.
As to Hillary specifically, I really don't know whether she's going to get her just desserts. I tend to agree that the most probable outcome is that she does not. But then again, we're still young in the game. Mueller has obviously paralyzed the DOJ and any kind of inquiry into malfeasance. Additionally, I want to see what Barr does after he's confirmed. Even if Hillary isn't touched, I do fully expect various current and former government officials to get prosecuted for one thing or another as it pertains to the Russia investigation. If nothing else, it needs to happen simply to restore faith in the DOJ and the American justice system.
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On January 30 2019 08:03 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2019 07:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:44 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:00 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 06:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 05:41 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 05:38 Doodsmack wrote:On January 30 2019 03:49 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 03:40 Nebuchad wrote:
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Yes. The difference is barely noticeable between during the campaign and now If anything, it's more fervent now than it was back during the campaign on account of the Russiagate scandal. And the demand now is to investigate far more people than just Hillary. Sounds like a mob wants to spin up a witch hunt because of their political bias. Political bias is besides the point. The facts speak for themselves. Looking at the tea leaves, the rest of the country is eventually going to be forced to face the facts, at which point there will be a reckoning. You're starting sound like that qanon crap? No, I'm just paying attention to the media leaks per my prior posts. Someone in the know on Trump's side is leaking stuff to friendly media outlets. Combine that with what we publicly know about the Mueller investigation and the continued lack of any semblance of proof of Trump/Russia collusion, and it's not hard to see where this is going. Exactly where I said it was going when it started. You have to be pretty deep into the qanon conspiracies if you think Hillary or anyone else will be held accountable to any significant degree. The best you got was Podesta (the fat one) stepping down. Why? I cited multiple reports last week that implicated the Hillary campaign in fostering the Trump/Russia collusion narrative (not to mention the fact that Clintons are connected to damned near everyone on the wrong side of this mess). Those reports have nothing to do with qanon, unless you take the position that Q is real and working with the same elements of the Trump administration that are leaking things to the press. Your information tends to be sketch but I have to admit I don't bother reading it most of the time (regarding Hillary) because I think the idea that Trump or Hillary will be held seriously accountable for their shit is pretty ridiculous and takes a suspension of disbelief I haven't been able to maintain since grade school. I think it was in one of those movies about the 2000 election (could have been a comedy sketch or completely different movie) where it clicked for me. When they were basically saying that "it doesn't matter what the truth is, the system can't handle the truth so we have to sweep this gross abuse under the rug to protect America" Then I noticed shit like that everywhere. School, workplace, politics, media, entertainment, sports, EVERYWHERE. That's how I was able to predict the outcome so well so far so far out. When I said "the best you got is Podesta" what I meant wasn't that was your best evidence, I meant that's your trophy head for all this, you might have another pleb or two but there is 0 chance you get Hillary to be accountable even if there's video of her beating a human baby to death with a baby panda and a crowd of witnesses cheering her on. The system doesn't work that way, losing face and not being President was her punishment, be content with that or be disappointed later is what I'm saying. As to Hillary specifically, I really don't know whether she's going to get her just desserts. I tend to agree that the most probable outcome is that she does not. But then again, we're still young in the game. Mueller has obviously paralyzed the DOJ and any kind of inquiry into malfeasance. Additionally, I want to see what Barr does after he's confirmed. Even if Hillary isn't touched, I do fully expect various current and former government officials to get prosecuted for one thing or another as it pertains to the Russia investigation. If nothing else, it needs to happen simply to restore faith in the DOJ and the American justice system.
At best you're hoping to throw the book at people for following orders and being loyal in a tit-for-tat with Trump's lackeys in ways that don't really seem much better than you accuse Democrats of.
Surely you think the convictions of Trump's guys so far are legitimate right? Regardless of the motive you don't think they were falsely convicted right?
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On January 30 2019 08:07 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2019 08:03 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 07:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:44 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:00 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 06:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 05:41 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 05:38 Doodsmack wrote:On January 30 2019 03:49 xDaunt wrote:
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If anything, it's more fervent now than it was back during the campaign on account of the Russiagate scandal. And the demand now is to investigate far more people than just Hillary. Sounds like a mob wants to spin up a witch hunt because of their political bias. Political bias is besides the point. The facts speak for themselves. Looking at the tea leaves, the rest of the country is eventually going to be forced to face the facts, at which point there will be a reckoning. You're starting sound like that qanon crap? No, I'm just paying attention to the media leaks per my prior posts. Someone in the know on Trump's side is leaking stuff to friendly media outlets. Combine that with what we publicly know about the Mueller investigation and the continued lack of any semblance of proof of Trump/Russia collusion, and it's not hard to see where this is going. Exactly where I said it was going when it started. You have to be pretty deep into the qanon conspiracies if you think Hillary or anyone else will be held accountable to any significant degree. The best you got was Podesta (the fat one) stepping down. Why? I cited multiple reports last week that implicated the Hillary campaign in fostering the Trump/Russia collusion narrative (not to mention the fact that Clintons are connected to damned near everyone on the wrong side of this mess). Those reports have nothing to do with qanon, unless you take the position that Q is real and working with the same elements of the Trump administration that are leaking things to the press. Your information tends to be sketch but I have to admit I don't bother reading it most of the time (regarding Hillary) because I think the idea that Trump or Hillary will be held seriously accountable for their shit is pretty ridiculous and takes a suspension of disbelief I haven't been able to maintain since grade school. I think it was in one of those movies about the 2000 election (could have been a comedy sketch or completely different movie) where it clicked for me. When they were basically saying that "it doesn't matter what the truth is, the system can't handle the truth so we have to sweep this gross abuse under the rug to protect America" Then I noticed shit like that everywhere. School, workplace, politics, media, entertainment, sports, EVERYWHERE. That's how I was able to predict the outcome so well so far so far out. When I said "the best you got is Podesta" what I meant wasn't that was your best evidence, I meant that's your trophy head for all this, you might have another pleb or two but there is 0 chance you get Hillary to be accountable even if there's video of her beating a human baby to death with a baby panda and a crowd of witnesses cheering her on. The system doesn't work that way, losing face and not being President was her punishment, be content with that or be disappointed later is what I'm saying. As to Hillary specifically, I really don't know whether she's going to get her just desserts. I tend to agree that the most probable outcome is that she does not. But then again, we're still young in the game. Mueller has obviously paralyzed the DOJ and any kind of inquiry into malfeasance. Additionally, I want to see what Barr does after he's confirmed. Even if Hillary isn't touched, I do fully expect various current and former government officials to get prosecuted for one thing or another as it pertains to the Russia investigation. If nothing else, it needs to happen simply to restore faith in the DOJ and the American justice system. At best you're hoping to throw the book at people for following orders and being loyal in a tit-for-tat with Trump's lackeys in ways that don't really seem much better than you accuse Democrats of. Surely you think the convictions of Trump's guys so far are legitimate right? Regardless of the motive you don't think they were falsely convicted right?
Manafort's conviction for things completely unrelated to Trump seems legitimate. Same with Cohen. I have serious doubts about the legitimacy of the plea deals made by Papadopoulos and Flynn for reasons previously discussed. Likewise, I have serious doubts about the validity of the charges that have been brought against Stone. And if nothing else, every American should be absolutely appalled by how Stone's arrest went down. Stone is accused of process crimes -- namely lying to the FBI. He and his legal team had been voluntarily cooperating with the FBI for two years. He's old. His wife is old. He's neither a flight risk (as noted by the judge when letting him out on a PR bond) nor at risk for spoliation of evidence. Yet Mueller and the FBI decided to arrest him by sending 4 armored vehicles and 29 agents in SWAT/tac gear to arrest him in the early morning. And Mueller's team tipped off CNN to be there to make sure it was filmed. How the fuck does something like that happen in the US? Nonviolent suspects are never arrested that way. That Mueller chose to execute the arrest that way instead of asking that Stone turn himself in is a huge fucking red flag that Mueller is a bad guy.
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On January 30 2019 08:19 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2019 08:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 08:03 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 07:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:44 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:00 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 06:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 05:41 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 05:38 Doodsmack wrote:
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Sounds like a mob wants to spin up a witch hunt because of their political bias. Political bias is besides the point. The facts speak for themselves. Looking at the tea leaves, the rest of the country is eventually going to be forced to face the facts, at which point there will be a reckoning. You're starting sound like that qanon crap? No, I'm just paying attention to the media leaks per my prior posts. Someone in the know on Trump's side is leaking stuff to friendly media outlets. Combine that with what we publicly know about the Mueller investigation and the continued lack of any semblance of proof of Trump/Russia collusion, and it's not hard to see where this is going. Exactly where I said it was going when it started. You have to be pretty deep into the qanon conspiracies if you think Hillary or anyone else will be held accountable to any significant degree. The best you got was Podesta (the fat one) stepping down. Why? I cited multiple reports last week that implicated the Hillary campaign in fostering the Trump/Russia collusion narrative (not to mention the fact that Clintons are connected to damned near everyone on the wrong side of this mess). Those reports have nothing to do with qanon, unless you take the position that Q is real and working with the same elements of the Trump administration that are leaking things to the press. Your information tends to be sketch but I have to admit I don't bother reading it most of the time (regarding Hillary) because I think the idea that Trump or Hillary will be held seriously accountable for their shit is pretty ridiculous and takes a suspension of disbelief I haven't been able to maintain since grade school. I think it was in one of those movies about the 2000 election (could have been a comedy sketch or completely different movie) where it clicked for me. When they were basically saying that "it doesn't matter what the truth is, the system can't handle the truth so we have to sweep this gross abuse under the rug to protect America" Then I noticed shit like that everywhere. School, workplace, politics, media, entertainment, sports, EVERYWHERE. That's how I was able to predict the outcome so well so far so far out. When I said "the best you got is Podesta" what I meant wasn't that was your best evidence, I meant that's your trophy head for all this, you might have another pleb or two but there is 0 chance you get Hillary to be accountable even if there's video of her beating a human baby to death with a baby panda and a crowd of witnesses cheering her on. The system doesn't work that way, losing face and not being President was her punishment, be content with that or be disappointed later is what I'm saying. As to Hillary specifically, I really don't know whether she's going to get her just desserts. I tend to agree that the most probable outcome is that she does not. But then again, we're still young in the game. Mueller has obviously paralyzed the DOJ and any kind of inquiry into malfeasance. Additionally, I want to see what Barr does after he's confirmed. Even if Hillary isn't touched, I do fully expect various current and former government officials to get prosecuted for one thing or another as it pertains to the Russia investigation. If nothing else, it needs to happen simply to restore faith in the DOJ and the American justice system. At best you're hoping to throw the book at people for following orders and being loyal in a tit-for-tat with Trump's lackeys in ways that don't really seem much better than you accuse Democrats of. Surely you think the convictions of Trump's guys so far are legitimate right? Regardless of the motive you don't think they were falsely convicted right? Manafort's conviction for things completely unrelated to Trump seems legitimate. Same with Cohen. I have serious doubts about the legitimacy of the plea deals made by Papadopoulos and Flynn for reasons previously discussed. Likewise, I have serious doubts about the validity of the charges that have been brought against Stone. And if nothing else, every American should be absolutely appalled by how Stone's arrest went down. Stone is accused of process crimes -- namely lying to the FBI. He and his legal team had been voluntarily cooperating with the FBI for two years. He's old. His wife is old. He's neither a flight risk (as noted by the judge when letting him out on a PR bond) nor at risk for spoliation of evidence. Yet Mueller and the FBI decided to arrest him by sending 4 armored vehicles and 29 agents in SWAT/tac gear to arrest him in the early morning. And Mueller's team tipped off CNN to be there to make sure it was filmed. How the fuck does something like that happen in the US? Nonviolent suspects are never arrested that way. That Mueller chose to execute the arrest that way instead of asking that Stone turn himself in is a huge fucking red flag that Mueller is a bad guy.
lol.
I don't feel bad for Stone at all. First off he probably wanted it to go down like that. If you saw him walk into the courtroom he was practically exploding with glee at the fanfare. He has some, I'm going with 'unique' kinks and this is clearly part of it.
I don't feel bad for him at all even if he didn't like it though .
If he or you want to use your privilege to protect marginalized people from horrific policing that's cool, but I think it's clear you come at the argument that "we should all be absolutely appalled" from a place of self-interest. When you say you don't care about how we fuck up other countries I know you don't stop at some imaginary line on a map.
So no Stone's treatment doesn't appall me at all, it's a shame he was able to walk into the courtroom on his own power if you ask me.The police could have given them one of their "rough rides" and just drop him off back at home and call it even.
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On January 30 2019 08:19 xDaunt wrote:
And Mueller's team tipped off CNN to be there to make sure it was filmed.
You don't know that. You are assuming it, without even the slightest proof. It was pretty clear that stone was going to be the next one. Journalists are surveying courts (as we saw with the secret entry that made its way to the supreme Court between November and January). The Mueller prosecutorial team's movement is heavily scrutinized. It doesn't take a genius to put a team near two or three targets of the investigation.
Maybe you should stop blindly repeating talking points, it doesn't make you look smart, though you definitely are for everything unrelated to Trump.
Why don't you "assume" the same way for everything related to Trump investigationS? (Emoluments, illegal immigrants, funding...) Be fair.
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On January 30 2019 05:41 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2019 05:38 Doodsmack wrote:On January 30 2019 03:49 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 03:40 Nebuchad wrote:On January 30 2019 03:33 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 03:20 Nebuchad wrote:
It's weird that immediately after Hillary stopped being a meaningful political opponent everyone stopped caring about her crimes. Didn't know a lust for justice could be selective like that. Not sure who you're talking about here. There is a huge number of Trump supporters who still think that she needs to be investigated and prosecuted, and for good reason, too. Yes. The difference is barely noticeable between during the campaign and now If anything, it's more fervent now than it was back during the campaign on account of the Russiagate scandal. And the demand now is to investigate far more people than just Hillary. Sounds like a mob wants to spin up a witch hunt because of their political bias. Political bias is besides the point. The facts speak for themselves. Looking at the tea leaves, the rest of the country is eventually going to be forced to face the facts, at which point there will be a reckoning.
This position is infected with partisan bias.
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On January 30 2019 08:19 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2019 08:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 08:03 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 07:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:44 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:00 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 06:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 05:41 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 05:38 Doodsmack wrote:
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Sounds like a mob wants to spin up a witch hunt because of their political bias. Political bias is besides the point. The facts speak for themselves. Looking at the tea leaves, the rest of the country is eventually going to be forced to face the facts, at which point there will be a reckoning. You're starting sound like that qanon crap? No, I'm just paying attention to the media leaks per my prior posts. Someone in the know on Trump's side is leaking stuff to friendly media outlets. Combine that with what we publicly know about the Mueller investigation and the continued lack of any semblance of proof of Trump/Russia collusion, and it's not hard to see where this is going. Exactly where I said it was going when it started. You have to be pretty deep into the qanon conspiracies if you think Hillary or anyone else will be held accountable to any significant degree. The best you got was Podesta (the fat one) stepping down. Why? I cited multiple reports last week that implicated the Hillary campaign in fostering the Trump/Russia collusion narrative (not to mention the fact that Clintons are connected to damned near everyone on the wrong side of this mess). Those reports have nothing to do with qanon, unless you take the position that Q is real and working with the same elements of the Trump administration that are leaking things to the press. Your information tends to be sketch but I have to admit I don't bother reading it most of the time (regarding Hillary) because I think the idea that Trump or Hillary will be held seriously accountable for their shit is pretty ridiculous and takes a suspension of disbelief I haven't been able to maintain since grade school. I think it was in one of those movies about the 2000 election (could have been a comedy sketch or completely different movie) where it clicked for me. When they were basically saying that "it doesn't matter what the truth is, the system can't handle the truth so we have to sweep this gross abuse under the rug to protect America" Then I noticed shit like that everywhere. School, workplace, politics, media, entertainment, sports, EVERYWHERE. That's how I was able to predict the outcome so well so far so far out. When I said "the best you got is Podesta" what I meant wasn't that was your best evidence, I meant that's your trophy head for all this, you might have another pleb or two but there is 0 chance you get Hillary to be accountable even if there's video of her beating a human baby to death with a baby panda and a crowd of witnesses cheering her on. The system doesn't work that way, losing face and not being President was her punishment, be content with that or be disappointed later is what I'm saying. As to Hillary specifically, I really don't know whether she's going to get her just desserts. I tend to agree that the most probable outcome is that she does not. But then again, we're still young in the game. Mueller has obviously paralyzed the DOJ and any kind of inquiry into malfeasance. Additionally, I want to see what Barr does after he's confirmed. Even if Hillary isn't touched, I do fully expect various current and former government officials to get prosecuted for one thing or another as it pertains to the Russia investigation. If nothing else, it needs to happen simply to restore faith in the DOJ and the American justice system. At best you're hoping to throw the book at people for following orders and being loyal in a tit-for-tat with Trump's lackeys in ways that don't really seem much better than you accuse Democrats of. Surely you think the convictions of Trump's guys so far are legitimate right? Regardless of the motive you don't think they were falsely convicted right? Manafort's conviction for things completely unrelated to Trump seems legitimate. Same with Cohen. I have serious doubts about the legitimacy of the plea deals made by Papadopoulos and Flynn for reasons previously discussed. Likewise, I have serious doubts about the validity of the charges that have been brought against Stone. And if nothing else, every American should be absolutely appalled by how Stone's arrest went down. Stone is accused of process crimes -- namely lying to the FBI. He and his legal team had been voluntarily cooperating with the FBI for two years. He's old. His wife is old. He's neither a flight risk (as noted by the judge when letting him out on a PR bond) nor at risk for spoliation of evidence. Yet Mueller and the FBI decided to arrest him by sending 4 armored vehicles and 29 agents in SWAT/tac gear to arrest him in the early morning. And Mueller's team tipped off CNN to be there to make sure it was filmed. How the fuck does something like that happen in the US? Nonviolent suspects are never arrested that way. That Mueller chose to execute the arrest that way instead of asking that Stone turn himself in is a huge fucking red flag that Mueller is a bad guy.
Stone has been all over the place calling Mueller crooked, so you can say he "cooperated" with the FBI but that's probably just the most basic stuff. He's not cooperating in the sense of being a cooperating witness. He's a bad person, who has acted in bad faith toward Mueller as shown by his public statements and his behavior w/r/t Corsi and Credico. Stone is a bad faith operator, always has been. He got what he deserved, from a moral standpoint; no one should feel sorry or be appalled. BTW Mueller is a Vietnam war hero, as in, a true combat war hero.
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On January 30 2019 08:03 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2019 07:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:44 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:00 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 06:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 05:41 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 05:38 Doodsmack wrote:On January 30 2019 03:49 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 03:40 Nebuchad wrote:
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Yes. The difference is barely noticeable between during the campaign and now If anything, it's more fervent now than it was back during the campaign on account of the Russiagate scandal. And the demand now is to investigate far more people than just Hillary. Sounds like a mob wants to spin up a witch hunt because of their political bias. Political bias is besides the point. The facts speak for themselves. Looking at the tea leaves, the rest of the country is eventually going to be forced to face the facts, at which point there will be a reckoning. You're starting sound like that qanon crap? No, I'm just paying attention to the media leaks per my prior posts. Someone in the know on Trump's side is leaking stuff to friendly media outlets. Combine that with what we publicly know about the Mueller investigation and the continued lack of any semblance of proof of Trump/Russia collusion, and it's not hard to see where this is going. Exactly where I said it was going when it started. You have to be pretty deep into the qanon conspiracies if you think Hillary or anyone else will be held accountable to any significant degree. The best you got was Podesta (the fat one) stepping down. Why? I cited multiple reports last week that implicated the Hillary campaign in fostering the Trump/Russia collusion narrative (not to mention the fact that Clintons are connected to damned near everyone on the wrong side of this mess). Those reports have nothing to do with qanon, unless you take the position that Q is real and working with the same elements of the Trump administration that are leaking things to the press. Your information tends to be sketch but I have to admit I don't bother reading it most of the time (regarding Hillary) because I think the idea that Trump or Hillary will be held seriously accountable for their shit is pretty ridiculous and takes a suspension of disbelief I haven't been able to maintain since grade school. I think it was in one of those movies about the 2000 election (could have been a comedy sketch or completely different movie) where it clicked for me. When they were basically saying that "it doesn't matter what the truth is, the system can't handle the truth so we have to sweep this gross abuse under the rug to protect America" Then I noticed shit like that everywhere. School, workplace, politics, media, entertainment, sports, EVERYWHERE. That's how I was able to predict the outcome so well so far so far out. When I said "the best you got is Podesta" what I meant wasn't that was your best evidence, I meant that's your trophy head for all this, you might have another pleb or two but there is 0 chance you get Hillary to be accountable even if there's video of her beating a human baby to death with a baby panda and a crowd of witnesses cheering her on. The system doesn't work that way, losing face and not being President was her punishment, be content with that or be disappointed later is what I'm saying. As to Hillary specifically, I really don't know whether she's going to get her just desserts. I tend to agree that the most probable outcome is that she does not. But then again, we're still young in the game. Mueller has obviously paralyzed the DOJ and any kind of inquiry into malfeasance. Additionally, I want to see what Barr does after he's confirmed. Even if Hillary isn't touched, I do fully expect various current and former government officials to get prosecuted for one thing or another as it pertains to the Russia investigation. If nothing else, it needs to happen simply to restore faith in the DOJ and the American justice system.
I get that there conspiracies on the anti-Trump, pro-Mueller side, but I'm not entirely sure that justifies making every speculative logical leap you possibly can on the other side.
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On January 30 2019 23:42 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2019 08:03 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 07:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:44 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:00 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 06:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 05:41 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 05:38 Doodsmack wrote:On January 30 2019 03:49 xDaunt wrote:
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If anything, it's more fervent now than it was back during the campaign on account of the Russiagate scandal. And the demand now is to investigate far more people than just Hillary. Sounds like a mob wants to spin up a witch hunt because of their political bias. Political bias is besides the point. The facts speak for themselves. Looking at the tea leaves, the rest of the country is eventually going to be forced to face the facts, at which point there will be a reckoning. You're starting sound like that qanon crap? No, I'm just paying attention to the media leaks per my prior posts. Someone in the know on Trump's side is leaking stuff to friendly media outlets. Combine that with what we publicly know about the Mueller investigation and the continued lack of any semblance of proof of Trump/Russia collusion, and it's not hard to see where this is going. Exactly where I said it was going when it started. You have to be pretty deep into the qanon conspiracies if you think Hillary or anyone else will be held accountable to any significant degree. The best you got was Podesta (the fat one) stepping down. Why? I cited multiple reports last week that implicated the Hillary campaign in fostering the Trump/Russia collusion narrative (not to mention the fact that Clintons are connected to damned near everyone on the wrong side of this mess). Those reports have nothing to do with qanon, unless you take the position that Q is real and working with the same elements of the Trump administration that are leaking things to the press. Your information tends to be sketch but I have to admit I don't bother reading it most of the time (regarding Hillary) because I think the idea that Trump or Hillary will be held seriously accountable for their shit is pretty ridiculous and takes a suspension of disbelief I haven't been able to maintain since grade school. I think it was in one of those movies about the 2000 election (could have been a comedy sketch or completely different movie) where it clicked for me. When they were basically saying that "it doesn't matter what the truth is, the system can't handle the truth so we have to sweep this gross abuse under the rug to protect America" Then I noticed shit like that everywhere. School, workplace, politics, media, entertainment, sports, EVERYWHERE. That's how I was able to predict the outcome so well so far so far out. When I said "the best you got is Podesta" what I meant wasn't that was your best evidence, I meant that's your trophy head for all this, you might have another pleb or two but there is 0 chance you get Hillary to be accountable even if there's video of her beating a human baby to death with a baby panda and a crowd of witnesses cheering her on. The system doesn't work that way, losing face and not being President was her punishment, be content with that or be disappointed later is what I'm saying. As to Hillary specifically, I really don't know whether she's going to get her just desserts. I tend to agree that the most probable outcome is that she does not. But then again, we're still young in the game. Mueller has obviously paralyzed the DOJ and any kind of inquiry into malfeasance. Additionally, I want to see what Barr does after he's confirmed. Even if Hillary isn't touched, I do fully expect various current and former government officials to get prosecuted for one thing or another as it pertains to the Russia investigation. If nothing else, it needs to happen simply to restore faith in the DOJ and the American justice system. I get that there conspiracies on the anti-Trump, pro-Mueller side, but I'm not entirely sure that justifies making every speculative logical leap you possibly can on the other side.
Both sides are delusional imo for the reasons I mentioned before. I don't know how you all maintain your disbelief. Like doesn't it bother you that there was never any resolution to the Manafort-Assange meeting that never happened?
Seems the libs shake that off as easy as Republicans shake off the lies they are told
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On January 30 2019 23:45 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2019 23:42 Doodsmack wrote:On January 30 2019 08:03 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 07:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:44 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:00 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 06:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 05:41 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 05:38 Doodsmack wrote:
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Sounds like a mob wants to spin up a witch hunt because of their political bias. Political bias is besides the point. The facts speak for themselves. Looking at the tea leaves, the rest of the country is eventually going to be forced to face the facts, at which point there will be a reckoning. You're starting sound like that qanon crap? No, I'm just paying attention to the media leaks per my prior posts. Someone in the know on Trump's side is leaking stuff to friendly media outlets. Combine that with what we publicly know about the Mueller investigation and the continued lack of any semblance of proof of Trump/Russia collusion, and it's not hard to see where this is going. Exactly where I said it was going when it started. You have to be pretty deep into the qanon conspiracies if you think Hillary or anyone else will be held accountable to any significant degree. The best you got was Podesta (the fat one) stepping down. Why? I cited multiple reports last week that implicated the Hillary campaign in fostering the Trump/Russia collusion narrative (not to mention the fact that Clintons are connected to damned near everyone on the wrong side of this mess). Those reports have nothing to do with qanon, unless you take the position that Q is real and working with the same elements of the Trump administration that are leaking things to the press. Your information tends to be sketch but I have to admit I don't bother reading it most of the time (regarding Hillary) because I think the idea that Trump or Hillary will be held seriously accountable for their shit is pretty ridiculous and takes a suspension of disbelief I haven't been able to maintain since grade school. I think it was in one of those movies about the 2000 election (could have been a comedy sketch or completely different movie) where it clicked for me. When they were basically saying that "it doesn't matter what the truth is, the system can't handle the truth so we have to sweep this gross abuse under the rug to protect America" Then I noticed shit like that everywhere. School, workplace, politics, media, entertainment, sports, EVERYWHERE. That's how I was able to predict the outcome so well so far so far out. When I said "the best you got is Podesta" what I meant wasn't that was your best evidence, I meant that's your trophy head for all this, you might have another pleb or two but there is 0 chance you get Hillary to be accountable even if there's video of her beating a human baby to death with a baby panda and a crowd of witnesses cheering her on. The system doesn't work that way, losing face and not being President was her punishment, be content with that or be disappointed later is what I'm saying. As to Hillary specifically, I really don't know whether she's going to get her just desserts. I tend to agree that the most probable outcome is that she does not. But then again, we're still young in the game. Mueller has obviously paralyzed the DOJ and any kind of inquiry into malfeasance. Additionally, I want to see what Barr does after he's confirmed. Even if Hillary isn't touched, I do fully expect various current and former government officials to get prosecuted for one thing or another as it pertains to the Russia investigation. If nothing else, it needs to happen simply to restore faith in the DOJ and the American justice system. I get that there conspiracies on the anti-Trump, pro-Mueller side, but I'm not entirely sure that justifies making every speculative logical leap you possibly can on the other side. Both sides are delusional imo for the reasons I mentioned before. I don't know how you all maintain your disbelief. Like doesn't it bother you that there was never any resolution to the Manafort-Assange meeting that never happened? Seems the libs shake that off as easy as Republicans shake off the lies they are told
There certainly have been media stories on Mueller that have been debunked. But we have proof of some very shady things happening (e.g. Kushner meeting with head of major Russian bank during transition, and the bank publicly said the meeting was for business purposes, while Kushner said it wasn't), which warrants an investigation.
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This looks all fine and dandy, a day after Trump's FBI director, CIA director, and DNI testified to Congress.
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On January 31 2019 01:36 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2019 23:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 23:42 Doodsmack wrote:On January 30 2019 08:03 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 07:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:44 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:00 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 06:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 05:41 xDaunt wrote:
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Political bias is besides the point. The facts speak for themselves. Looking at the tea leaves, the rest of the country is eventually going to be forced to face the facts, at which point there will be a reckoning. You're starting sound like that qanon crap? No, I'm just paying attention to the media leaks per my prior posts. Someone in the know on Trump's side is leaking stuff to friendly media outlets. Combine that with what we publicly know about the Mueller investigation and the continued lack of any semblance of proof of Trump/Russia collusion, and it's not hard to see where this is going. Exactly where I said it was going when it started. You have to be pretty deep into the qanon conspiracies if you think Hillary or anyone else will be held accountable to any significant degree. The best you got was Podesta (the fat one) stepping down. Why? I cited multiple reports last week that implicated the Hillary campaign in fostering the Trump/Russia collusion narrative (not to mention the fact that Clintons are connected to damned near everyone on the wrong side of this mess). Those reports have nothing to do with qanon, unless you take the position that Q is real and working with the same elements of the Trump administration that are leaking things to the press. Your information tends to be sketch but I have to admit I don't bother reading it most of the time (regarding Hillary) because I think the idea that Trump or Hillary will be held seriously accountable for their shit is pretty ridiculous and takes a suspension of disbelief I haven't been able to maintain since grade school. I think it was in one of those movies about the 2000 election (could have been a comedy sketch or completely different movie) where it clicked for me. When they were basically saying that "it doesn't matter what the truth is, the system can't handle the truth so we have to sweep this gross abuse under the rug to protect America" Then I noticed shit like that everywhere. School, workplace, politics, media, entertainment, sports, EVERYWHERE. That's how I was able to predict the outcome so well so far so far out. When I said "the best you got is Podesta" what I meant wasn't that was your best evidence, I meant that's your trophy head for all this, you might have another pleb or two but there is 0 chance you get Hillary to be accountable even if there's video of her beating a human baby to death with a baby panda and a crowd of witnesses cheering her on. The system doesn't work that way, losing face and not being President was her punishment, be content with that or be disappointed later is what I'm saying. As to Hillary specifically, I really don't know whether she's going to get her just desserts. I tend to agree that the most probable outcome is that she does not. But then again, we're still young in the game. Mueller has obviously paralyzed the DOJ and any kind of inquiry into malfeasance. Additionally, I want to see what Barr does after he's confirmed. Even if Hillary isn't touched, I do fully expect various current and former government officials to get prosecuted for one thing or another as it pertains to the Russia investigation. If nothing else, it needs to happen simply to restore faith in the DOJ and the American justice system. I get that there conspiracies on the anti-Trump, pro-Mueller side, but I'm not entirely sure that justifies making every speculative logical leap you possibly can on the other side. Both sides are delusional imo for the reasons I mentioned before. I don't know how you all maintain your disbelief. Like doesn't it bother you that there was never any resolution to the Manafort-Assange meeting that never happened? Seems the libs shake that off as easy as Republicans shake off the lies they are told There certainly have been media stories on Mueller that have been debunked. But we have proof of some very shady things happening (e.g. Kushner meeting with head of major Russian bank during transition, and the bank publicly said the meeting was for business purposes, while Kushner said it wasn't), which warrants an investigation.
That wasn't really my question or my point? Unless you meant to demonstrate it?
War in Venezuela, War in Iran, War in Syria, War in Yemen, Everybody get's a War!
Also Vaccinate your kids, cuz I guess that's still a thing 
If you're cold you should know that the Paris Climate Accord isn't going to cut it so if your fav doesn't back a GND of epic proportion we're all fucked
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On January 31 2019 01:46 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2019 01:36 Doodsmack wrote:On January 30 2019 23:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 23:42 Doodsmack wrote:On January 30 2019 08:03 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 07:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:44 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:00 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 06:46 GreenHorizons wrote:
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You're starting sound like that qanon crap? No, I'm just paying attention to the media leaks per my prior posts. Someone in the know on Trump's side is leaking stuff to friendly media outlets. Combine that with what we publicly know about the Mueller investigation and the continued lack of any semblance of proof of Trump/Russia collusion, and it's not hard to see where this is going. Exactly where I said it was going when it started. You have to be pretty deep into the qanon conspiracies if you think Hillary or anyone else will be held accountable to any significant degree. The best you got was Podesta (the fat one) stepping down. Why? I cited multiple reports last week that implicated the Hillary campaign in fostering the Trump/Russia collusion narrative (not to mention the fact that Clintons are connected to damned near everyone on the wrong side of this mess). Those reports have nothing to do with qanon, unless you take the position that Q is real and working with the same elements of the Trump administration that are leaking things to the press. Your information tends to be sketch but I have to admit I don't bother reading it most of the time (regarding Hillary) because I think the idea that Trump or Hillary will be held seriously accountable for their shit is pretty ridiculous and takes a suspension of disbelief I haven't been able to maintain since grade school. I think it was in one of those movies about the 2000 election (could have been a comedy sketch or completely different movie) where it clicked for me. When they were basically saying that "it doesn't matter what the truth is, the system can't handle the truth so we have to sweep this gross abuse under the rug to protect America" Then I noticed shit like that everywhere. School, workplace, politics, media, entertainment, sports, EVERYWHERE. That's how I was able to predict the outcome so well so far so far out. When I said "the best you got is Podesta" what I meant wasn't that was your best evidence, I meant that's your trophy head for all this, you might have another pleb or two but there is 0 chance you get Hillary to be accountable even if there's video of her beating a human baby to death with a baby panda and a crowd of witnesses cheering her on. The system doesn't work that way, losing face and not being President was her punishment, be content with that or be disappointed later is what I'm saying. As to Hillary specifically, I really don't know whether she's going to get her just desserts. I tend to agree that the most probable outcome is that she does not. But then again, we're still young in the game. Mueller has obviously paralyzed the DOJ and any kind of inquiry into malfeasance. Additionally, I want to see what Barr does after he's confirmed. Even if Hillary isn't touched, I do fully expect various current and former government officials to get prosecuted for one thing or another as it pertains to the Russia investigation. If nothing else, it needs to happen simply to restore faith in the DOJ and the American justice system. I get that there conspiracies on the anti-Trump, pro-Mueller side, but I'm not entirely sure that justifies making every speculative logical leap you possibly can on the other side. Both sides are delusional imo for the reasons I mentioned before. I don't know how you all maintain your disbelief. Like doesn't it bother you that there was never any resolution to the Manafort-Assange meeting that never happened? Seems the libs shake that off as easy as Republicans shake off the lies they are told There certainly have been media stories on Mueller that have been debunked. But we have proof of some very shady things happening (e.g. Kushner meeting with head of major Russian bank during transition, and the bank publicly said the meeting was for business purposes, while Kushner said it wasn't), which warrants an investigation. That wasn't really my question or my point? Unless you meant to demonstrate it? War in Venezuela, War in Iran, War in Syria, War in Yemen, Everybody get's a War! Also Vaccinate your kids, cuz I guess that's still a thing If you're cold you should know that the Paris Climate Accord isn't going to cut it so if your fav doesn't back a GND of epic proportion we're all fucked
I took your point to be that that particular news story is evidence that the whole thing is a conspiracy theory. I responded by saying that despite the conspiracy theories that do exist, there are serious matters worth investigating.
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On January 31 2019 03:06 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2019 01:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 31 2019 01:36 Doodsmack wrote:On January 30 2019 23:45 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 23:42 Doodsmack wrote:On January 30 2019 08:03 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 07:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:44 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:00 xDaunt wrote:
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No, I'm just paying attention to the media leaks per my prior posts. Someone in the know on Trump's side is leaking stuff to friendly media outlets. Combine that with what we publicly know about the Mueller investigation and the continued lack of any semblance of proof of Trump/Russia collusion, and it's not hard to see where this is going. Exactly where I said it was going when it started. You have to be pretty deep into the qanon conspiracies if you think Hillary or anyone else will be held accountable to any significant degree. The best you got was Podesta (the fat one) stepping down. Why? I cited multiple reports last week that implicated the Hillary campaign in fostering the Trump/Russia collusion narrative (not to mention the fact that Clintons are connected to damned near everyone on the wrong side of this mess). Those reports have nothing to do with qanon, unless you take the position that Q is real and working with the same elements of the Trump administration that are leaking things to the press. Your information tends to be sketch but I have to admit I don't bother reading it most of the time (regarding Hillary) because I think the idea that Trump or Hillary will be held seriously accountable for their shit is pretty ridiculous and takes a suspension of disbelief I haven't been able to maintain since grade school. I think it was in one of those movies about the 2000 election (could have been a comedy sketch or completely different movie) where it clicked for me. When they were basically saying that "it doesn't matter what the truth is, the system can't handle the truth so we have to sweep this gross abuse under the rug to protect America" Then I noticed shit like that everywhere. School, workplace, politics, media, entertainment, sports, EVERYWHERE. That's how I was able to predict the outcome so well so far so far out. When I said "the best you got is Podesta" what I meant wasn't that was your best evidence, I meant that's your trophy head for all this, you might have another pleb or two but there is 0 chance you get Hillary to be accountable even if there's video of her beating a human baby to death with a baby panda and a crowd of witnesses cheering her on. The system doesn't work that way, losing face and not being President was her punishment, be content with that or be disappointed later is what I'm saying. As to Hillary specifically, I really don't know whether she's going to get her just desserts. I tend to agree that the most probable outcome is that she does not. But then again, we're still young in the game. Mueller has obviously paralyzed the DOJ and any kind of inquiry into malfeasance. Additionally, I want to see what Barr does after he's confirmed. Even if Hillary isn't touched, I do fully expect various current and former government officials to get prosecuted for one thing or another as it pertains to the Russia investigation. If nothing else, it needs to happen simply to restore faith in the DOJ and the American justice system. I get that there conspiracies on the anti-Trump, pro-Mueller side, but I'm not entirely sure that justifies making every speculative logical leap you possibly can on the other side. Both sides are delusional imo for the reasons I mentioned before. I don't know how you all maintain your disbelief. Like doesn't it bother you that there was never any resolution to the Manafort-Assange meeting that never happened? Seems the libs shake that off as easy as Republicans shake off the lies they are told There certainly have been media stories on Mueller that have been debunked. But we have proof of some very shady things happening (e.g. Kushner meeting with head of major Russian bank during transition, and the bank publicly said the meeting was for business purposes, while Kushner said it wasn't), which warrants an investigation. That wasn't really my question or my point? Unless you meant to demonstrate it? War in Venezuela, War in Iran, War in Syria, War in Yemen, Everybody get's a War! Also Vaccinate your kids, cuz I guess that's still a thing If you're cold you should know that the Paris Climate Accord isn't going to cut it so if your fav doesn't back a GND of epic proportion we're all fucked I took your point to be that that particular news story is evidence that the whole thing is a conspiracy theory. I responded by saying that despite the conspiracy theories that do exist, there are serious matters worth investigating.
No, my point was that it doesn't matter how many times stories like that come out for both sides neither side sees they are being played for clicks, or if they see it they don't recognize the pervasiveness and corrosiveness to liberty, or if they recognize it they care more about partisanship and "civility" than accountability and transparency.
EDIT: I know some of you politics thread folks read here, if you want a stark example of climate change Mongolia is a microcosm on the frontline and scary AF
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On January 30 2019 08:19 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2019 08:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 08:03 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 07:56 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:44 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 07:00 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 06:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 30 2019 05:41 xDaunt wrote:On January 30 2019 05:38 Doodsmack wrote:
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Sounds like a mob wants to spin up a witch hunt because of their political bias. Political bias is besides the point. The facts speak for themselves. Looking at the tea leaves, the rest of the country is eventually going to be forced to face the facts, at which point there will be a reckoning. You're starting sound like that qanon crap? No, I'm just paying attention to the media leaks per my prior posts. Someone in the know on Trump's side is leaking stuff to friendly media outlets. Combine that with what we publicly know about the Mueller investigation and the continued lack of any semblance of proof of Trump/Russia collusion, and it's not hard to see where this is going. Exactly where I said it was going when it started. You have to be pretty deep into the qanon conspiracies if you think Hillary or anyone else will be held accountable to any significant degree. The best you got was Podesta (the fat one) stepping down. Why? I cited multiple reports last week that implicated the Hillary campaign in fostering the Trump/Russia collusion narrative (not to mention the fact that Clintons are connected to damned near everyone on the wrong side of this mess). Those reports have nothing to do with qanon, unless you take the position that Q is real and working with the same elements of the Trump administration that are leaking things to the press. Your information tends to be sketch but I have to admit I don't bother reading it most of the time (regarding Hillary) because I think the idea that Trump or Hillary will be held seriously accountable for their shit is pretty ridiculous and takes a suspension of disbelief I haven't been able to maintain since grade school. I think it was in one of those movies about the 2000 election (could have been a comedy sketch or completely different movie) where it clicked for me. When they were basically saying that "it doesn't matter what the truth is, the system can't handle the truth so we have to sweep this gross abuse under the rug to protect America" Then I noticed shit like that everywhere. School, workplace, politics, media, entertainment, sports, EVERYWHERE. That's how I was able to predict the outcome so well so far so far out. When I said "the best you got is Podesta" what I meant wasn't that was your best evidence, I meant that's your trophy head for all this, you might have another pleb or two but there is 0 chance you get Hillary to be accountable even if there's video of her beating a human baby to death with a baby panda and a crowd of witnesses cheering her on. The system doesn't work that way, losing face and not being President was her punishment, be content with that or be disappointed later is what I'm saying. As to Hillary specifically, I really don't know whether she's going to get her just desserts. I tend to agree that the most probable outcome is that she does not. But then again, we're still young in the game. Mueller has obviously paralyzed the DOJ and any kind of inquiry into malfeasance. Additionally, I want to see what Barr does after he's confirmed. Even if Hillary isn't touched, I do fully expect various current and former government officials to get prosecuted for one thing or another as it pertains to the Russia investigation. If nothing else, it needs to happen simply to restore faith in the DOJ and the American justice system. At best you're hoping to throw the book at people for following orders and being loyal in a tit-for-tat with Trump's lackeys in ways that don't really seem much better than you accuse Democrats of. Surely you think the convictions of Trump's guys so far are legitimate right? Regardless of the motive you don't think they were falsely convicted right? And Mueller's team tipped off CNN to be there to make sure it was filmed.
This isn't some TMZ level scoop.
This is literally CNN parking a van outside Roger Stones' house for months, because he's spent the entire time screaming I AM INVINCIBLE, and making a really obvious bet that Roger Stone might get arrested based on the grand jury convening the previous day.
If people on Twitter could figure out this shit out, I think CNN can figure it out too. There's 100 times more conspiracy behind the current Anthony Davis trade ordeal than CNN putting two and two together.
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Little of both really. Republicans are upset about people particularly ex -felons voting but Democrats don't actually want the bill to pass so it's got a bunch of stuff they know can't pass the senate but will leave them with lots of ammo from Republicans killing it.
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Wondering if these deployments of troops to the border are designed to provide support for a later emergency declaration. One of the national emergency laws says the military can build civil works that are necessary to support the military as it responds to a national emergency. So the argument would be that since the military has been deploying to stop the "emergency" of incoming caravans, but that deployment is unsustainable financially (and the military cant cover the whole border), the military needs a wall to complete its mission.
This argument seems to depend on the notion that the caravans are an emergency in and of themselves, which clearly is incorrect. Question is, will a court second guess what the president deemed an emergency? If not, courts also wouldn't second guess a democratic president's identification of an "emergency."
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