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jinjonboo
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Lazare1969
United States318 Posts
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hitthat
Poland2276 Posts
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
If you stage yourself to look like a scumbag does it really make sense to be offended when people see a scumbag? Can we just take a second here to find the logic in that, Seapologist? Even in the case that he DID stage this whole thing and everyone was in on it. Is it still not morally reprehensible to make the 99,9% that are not in on it believe that it is real? Or is it ok to make viewers believe anything you want them to believe and never be responsible for the consequences? The argument that BJs aren't responsible for the reality they present is ridiculous. The argument that everyone should have telepathically inferred that the scene was staged is ridiculous. Sea is possibly not guilty of assault and sexual harassment but he's definitely guilty of making people think he is. Acting like a victim when people go off the information you give them yourself is ridiculous and he would've done his image a big favor by admitting he was stupid and drunk and responsible for the following shitshow despite it all alledgedly being a hoax. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
On September 08 2017 21:57 207aicila wrote: So what if streaming "is his fucking job"? Why are you assuming that the only kind of streaming is that cringey "do literally anything for money" bullshit that Sodapoppin and LegendaryLea do on Twitch and Terror is known for on Afreeca? There are so many other things you could be streaming without turning into a complete piece of shit, like, I don't know, gameplay of something maybe? hmmmmm...... I agree 100% with Creager's post in this quote chain. This kind of streaming draws attention which brings money. It would be stupid of him not to do it. | ||
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Fliparoni
205 Posts
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On September 09 2017 02:31 Charoisaur wrote: This kind of streaming draws attention which brings money. It would be stupid of him not to do it. Oh okay acting like an idiot brings money so I guess it's perfectly okay and we should defend him for it as a result. | ||
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jinjin5000
United States1468 Posts
On September 09 2017 02:26 Saechiis wrote: I read his statement and I'm mostly confused. Him harassing her and her rejecting him was their concept for the broadcast? Really? That seems like Japanese gameshow levels of detachment from reality. He's putting so much weight on his insider knowledge of the situation rather than the reality he's presenting to his viewers. If you stage yourself to look like a scumbag does it really make sense to be offended when people see a scumbag? Can we just take a second here to find the logic in that, Seapologist? Even in the case that he DID stage this whole thing and everyone was in on it. Is it still not morally reprehensible to make the 99,9% that are not in on it believe that it is real? Or is it ok to make viewers believe anything you want and you're never responsible for the consequences? I think if media portays the action from selected pool of images that they censor purposely to make it seem lot worse than it was, he has a lot of ground. but it doesnt help that his reputation as streamer isn't great as he has many drunk streams and wild streams. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17162 Posts
On September 09 2017 02:48 207aicila wrote: Oh okay acting like an idiot brings money so I guess it's perfectly okay and we should defend him for it as a result. Andy Kaufman/Tony Clifton is a hero amongst the comic community for pouring broken egg shells and pouring egg batter all over Dinah Shore on live national US TV and then claiming it wasn't him. It may well have been his best friend Bob Zmuda... the world will never know. Dinah Shore may have been in on it the whole time....that didn't stop big tough guys like Merv Griffin though. Merv "defended her honour"... LOLz. for all we know this guy is a 21st century andy kaufman just beginning his career... and with every post you're playing the Merv Griffin role in this theatre of the absurd. u're getting trolled bro. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On September 09 2017 02:26 Saechiis wrote: I read his statement and I'm mostly confused. Him harassing her and her rejecting him was their concept for the broadcast? Really? That seems like Japanese gameshow levels of detachment from reality. He's putting so much weight on his insider knowledge of the situation rather than the reality he's presenting to his viewers. If you stage yourself to look like a scumbag does it really make sense to be offended when people see a scumbag? Can we just take a second here to find the logic in that, Seapologist? Even in the case that he DID stage this whole thing and everyone was in on it. Is it still not morally reprehensible to make the 99,9% that are not in on it believe that it is real? Or is it ok to make viewers believe anything you want them to believe and at the same time not be responsible for any of the consequences? The argument that BJs aren't responsible for the reality they present is ridiculous. The argument that everyone should have telepathically inferred that the scene was staged is ridiculous. The argument that Sea didn't bring this upon himself is ridiculous. And even though Sea is possibly not guilty of assault and sexual harassment it's ridiculous for him to point fingers in a mirage he created himself. - I agree its an odd concept, but this is korea. Different culture/expectations of whats interesting - (responding to bold here) Of course you should be able to create art and expect people to understand intent, and reality. People shouldnt fly off the handle, least of all news agencies and gaming institutions. They are responsible for the reality they present, present being the key word. They are not responsible for somebodys misunderstanding of whats real and isnt, thats the responsibility of those consuming the media, and obviously once it becomes news worthy, journalists, tournament organizers etc. On September 09 2017 02:48 207aicila wrote: I'm sorry, but what about this wasnt perfectly okay? Explain to me seas moral failing.Oh okay acting like an idiot brings money so I guess it's perfectly okay and we should defend him for it as a result. | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
562 Posts
he's really dumb and he easily confused and upset his viewers for no reason. but he didn't deserve to have some bored journalists create a sensationalist story out of dumb drunken antics with him and his friends. the ban from streaming seems reasonable. the expulsion from this ASL... the media's assassination of his character is awful. | ||
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npnl19
Russian Federation27 Posts
Personally, very surprised to see this reaction from people, based on what is shown/given information. Seen far WORSE things, and judging only on basis where i live, or grow up, i just couldnt see anything "criminal" about this, well, even tho there IS scenarios where this might be inturpreted as awful behavior etc. Well, shouldnt live stream being drunk anyway i guess, so in a sense of Afreeca "policy", ban is deserve i guess, sort of a mistake, from Sea. (edit, i mean from pictures/gifs, cant even tell if punch is "hard" or "fake" or what) (and for people who say that they would punch someone in a face, based on those GIFs, and kind of against "assault" and "violence", shame on you, lol) (i mean, its not good, but its not THAT bad, as people suggest, like he is criminal or something) | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
If it's the former, the timing is rather unfortunate and he could've been given an exemption just for the qualifier (rescheduling his group would be accommodating him too much). If it's the latter (which is likelier), then it seems rather odd that the ban period wasn't longer (to be consistent with the gravity of the direct ASL DQ). I suppose ASL had to make a snap decision, especially since his qualifier match happens to be the first group. It's a tough spot to be in, either way they will be criticised whether they let him play or DQ him. It's a PR nightmare. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17162 Posts
On September 09 2017 03:18 Dazed. wrote: If you stage yourself to look like a scumbag does it really make sense to be offended when people see a scumbag? - I agree its an odd concept, but this is korea. Different culture/expectations of whats interesting or the whole thing is complete BS and "being offended" is all part of the charade and the deeper you analyze this guy the more his "fame and notoriety" go up. what's his name again? ya, that guy... good ole whatshisface | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
On September 09 2017 02:48 207aicila wrote: Oh okay acting like an idiot brings money so I guess it's perfectly okay and we should defend him for it as a result. I don't think acting like an idiot is ok but it's completely understandable why he does a drunk fun/crazy stream. He obviously crossed the line here though (Even if it was staged, he shouldn't show such behaviour to his viewers). Still the media outrage about this is ridicolous and completely out of line. | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
On September 09 2017 02:26 Saechiis wrote: I read his statement and I'm mostly confused. Him harassing her and her rejecting him was their concept for the broadcast? Really? This borders Japanese gameshow levels of detachment from reality. He's putting so much weight on his insider knowledge of the situation rather than the reality he's presenting to his viewers. If you stage yourself to look like a scumbag does it really make sense to be offended when people see a scumbag? Can we just take a second here to find the logic in that, Seapologist? Even in the case that he DID stage this whole thing and everyone was in on it. Is it still not morally reprehensible to make the 99,9% that are not in on it believe that it is real? Or is it ok to make viewers believe anything you want them to believe and never be responsible for the consequences? The argument that BJs aren't responsible for the reality they present is ridiculous. The argument that everyone should have telepathically inferred that the scene was staged is ridiculous. Sea is possibly not guilty of assault and sexual harassment but he's definitely guilty of making people think he is. Acting like a victim when people go off the information you give them yourself is ridiculous and he would've done his image a big favor by admitting he was stupid and drunk and responsible for the following shitshow despite it all alledgedly being a hoax. what's happening is he comes public with an explanation if it goes poorly (which it did) but lets it slide if it goes smoothly. as for journalists writing articles about it, they're within the same line of thinking as Sea when he does something as a publicity stunt for more viewers and more money. media outrages are exactly a form of making money for these websites. it may not have been a poor concept, but he was a bad actor and he won't try it again for a very long time. that's what i take away from it as a fan. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On September 09 2017 03:18 Dazed. wrote: - I agree its an odd concept, but this is korea. Different culture/expectations of whats interesting - (responding to bold here) Of course you should be able to create art and expect people to understand intent, and reality. People shouldnt fly off the handle, least of all news agencies and gaming institutions. They are responsible for the reality they present, present being the key word. They are not responsible for somebodys misunderstanding of whats real and isnt, thats the responsibility of those consuming the media, and obviously once it becomes news worthy, journalists, tournament organizers etc. I'm sorry, but what about this wasnt perfectly okay? Explain to me seas moral failing. As far as I know this outrage originates from Korea so while streams in Korea may be more "exotic" even to them it clearly hit a wrong nerve. Calling a drunk stream art is pushing the boundaries of intellectual dishonesty. It's also intellectually dishonest to defend staged deception as a legitimate streaming tactic yet criticize the media's misportrayal of said deception as an unlegitimate tactic. Expecting people to not assume the obvious is, again, intellectually dishonest. If you hear hoofstomps you think horses, not zebras. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16021 Posts
On September 09 2017 03:59 nanaoei wrote: what's happening is he comes public with an explanation if it goes poorly (which it did) but lets it slide if it goes smoothly. as for journalists writing articles about it, they're within the same line of thinking as Sea when he does something as a publicity stunt for more viewers and more money. media outrages are exactly a form of making money for these websites. it may not have been a poor concept, but he was a bad actor and he won't try it again for a very long time. that's what i take away from it as a fan. The journalists are damaging another person, Sea is not. | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On September 09 2017 04:05 Charoisaur wrote: The journalists are damaging another person, Sea is not. For what, reporting what they see? If it truly happened as Sea said, it would be a major fuckup by him, not the press. What the fuck did Sea expect (if the story is true), that it'd just be nice to get some new viewers? It'd be pretty fucked up and I personally don't believe his version of the story (even if the girl would corroborate it now). I also don't think it's nearly as bad as the battery and sexual assault accusations and the whole hang him mentality going around here however . Am repeating myself here though, so should stop replying to this topic. | ||
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