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On September 09 2017 15:23 r33k wrote:
This may be coming from me being too used to western PR, but I seriously would have expected Sea to put more emphasis on alcohol being a problem and to say that he would commit to some kind of rehab program.
Can't say I'm personally happy with Korean culture's friendliness with alcohol abuse, I would have expected to see some progress in the 10 years I've been following the scene.
i just read this while drinking with my korean coworkers at work... before we go out for more drinking...!
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United States11390 Posts
On September 09 2017 14:10 Shalashaska_123 wrote:
Teamliquid, I have a question. Does Killer honestly have any chance of doing well in the first group? I feel like he just barely returned to the pro-scene.
On another note, I sympathize a great deal for Sea. I hope his reputation hasn't been tarnished in the long-term and that he doesn't horse around with his female friends in the future.
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killer needs a lot more time
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Anyone have an account by the BJ in the video? Haven't been able to find her description of what happened.
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Even I also think that this result is off now
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Totally justified. Remember that what Afreeca is to Sea is what workplace is to you. It's just not acceptable. Even if it's a joke, if there is audience, that doesn't make it better.
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On September 09 2017 22:00 zyce wrote:
Anyone have an account by the BJ in the video? Haven't been able to find her description of what happened.
This is definitely the odd thing in all this. If Sea is innocent as he proclaims you'd think she'd have come out by now supporting his account of things.
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On September 09 2017 15:23 r33k wrote:
Can't say I'm personally happy with Korean culture's friendliness with alcohol abuse, I would have expected to see some progress in the 10 years I've been following the scene.
The drinking problem in Korea is a symptom of their harsh work culture and lack of worker protection laws that many other industrialized countries take for granted. Out of all the countries in the OECD they have the longest average work hours, just slightly longer than Japan's. So the workers use alcohol to help loosen up. After a long day of work, booze becomes much more appealing and chemically addictive. Not any different from how Americans smoke weed to deal with their poverty and stress. Both drugs, being depressants, share similar effects on the brain. This is a socioeconomic problem.
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The amount of white knighting here is almost sickening
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"I can't understand this at all, and I feel its very unfair that I am forced to give up my ASL spot, possibly my last ASL before I turn 30."
Do you get 2+ years of jailtime in Korea for hitting someone on the elbow or is Sea going to the military soon?
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On September 10 2017 03:56 Lazare1969 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2017 15:23 r33k wrote:
Can't say I'm personally happy with Korean culture's friendliness with alcohol abuse, I would have expected to see some progress in the 10 years I've been following the scene. The drinking problem in Korea is a symptom of their harsh work culture and lack of worker protection laws that many other industrialized countries take for granted. Out of all the countries in the OECD they have the longest average work hours, just slightly longer than Japan's. So the workers use alcohol to help loosen up. After a long day of work, booze becomes much more appealing and chemically addictive. Not any different from how Americans smoke weed to deal with their poverty and stress. Both drugs, being depressants, share similar effects on the brain. This is a socioeconomic problem.
I understand that, but it's still so weird to me that it isn't being discussed as a problem.
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On September 10 2017 03:56 Lazare1969 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2017 15:23 r33k wrote:
Can't say I'm personally happy with Korean culture's friendliness with alcohol abuse, I would have expected to see some progress in the 10 years I've been following the scene. The drinking problem in Korea is a symptom of their harsh work culture and lack of worker protection laws that many other industrialized countries take for granted. Out of all the countries in the OECD they have the longest average work hours, just slightly longer than Japan's. So the workers use alcohol to help loosen up. After a long day of work, booze becomes much more appealing and chemically addictive. Not any different from how Americans smoke weed to deal with their poverty and stress. Both drugs, being depressants, share similar effects on the brain. This is a socioeconomic problem.
it's not just drinking to relax.
A lot of the koreans drink because it's part of their culture to drink heavily during meals and afterwork, similar to Japan and Taiwan. This is why a lot says you never really get a break from work, because after work you still need to social with your colleagues and managers.
I have seen quite a few japanese businessmen who sit like they were mediating in train station (think buddha) but in fact they were simply too drunk to go home and fell asleep. It's actually quite interesting to see how well behaved Japanese are even when they drank too much.
I think northern parts of China is the worst of this, I have heard plenty of personal stories from my chinese colleagues who had personal friends drank so much that they die from kidney failure at young 30s.
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So this is a drinking thread now. Maybe not the best place, although I get it. Hopefully something good will come from all this.
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Sea says he was just "flirting" and even the girl messaged him afterwards confirming this. Is this true or is Sea just spouting bullshit? not sure what to believe.
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Wow. I can understand it's a different culture in South Korea but some of the comments were more shocking than the story itself.
It's always interesting tome how someone's lack of proper judgement towards alcohol can endanger one's career and wellbeing and family and everything. Maybe it's because I don't drink and I don't get what's so good about it, I don't know.
All in all, if Sea is guilty of drunken misbehavior as it seems likely, he should suffer the consequences fully. If he's not, he should be given his afreeca space and that's all there is to it, imo. No need for drama, relax, things like this happen all the time.
ps: I admire the public rage with his advances to the mentioned girl. If this was in the shithole called Bulgaria, most girls would have been happy to have been slightly abused by someone famous. Like, my current gf has had to turn down a job as a waitress in a place where rich folk go just to drink and touch the waitresses on their butts and boobs and give them larger than usual tips as a thank you. She said that there has been like hundreds of girls for the interview. First, she didn't know why. When she was approved for the job and introduced at the "study" week, she knew why and left the place.
So it's refreshing that in South Korea this is socially unacceptable.
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oh, sad for sea.... hope he can come back!
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On September 08 2017 20:52 yB.TeH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 19:40 Piste wrote:
"I am also planning to sue those who are writing very hateful speech against me online, after I gather some evidence."
I was hoping Sea would handle this case like a man as he seemed to be pretty nice guy before. But instead he tries to victimise himself oh dear god. That makes him look worse than it already is.
He fucked up, he should face the public speech about his public behavior that he himself streamed for everyone to see.
defending himself against character assassination is somehow bad?
No, but I don't think that counter attacking his haters is the clever thing to do here.
The gif's are out for anyone to see, he punched that girl and trying to justify it is silly. No matter if they were baby punches, they still were punches. Just admitting that he went over the line and saying that he was sorry would have made him look better in my eyes.
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R.I.P.
hope he will be the first to enter ASL in his 30+ years, this was too hard punishment imho
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Perhaps we can all agree to this: Sea rightfully received a temporary ban from his streaming platform for being a drunken idiot while streaming, he's most likely not actually a misogynistic asshole (just a bad drinker), the sensationalist media shitstorm is condemnable, it's not a good idea to make widesweeping generalizations about groups of people without sufficient empirical evidence and we can all continue to cheer for Sea because he's a great professional SC player.
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I never liked Sea and I am not surprised at all that he turned out to be an asshole. He never struck as a nice person in the old BW days
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