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Mod Edit:
Sea's apology through his facebook: https://www.facebook.com/yuambosungjjang/posts/1683014471733272?pnref=story
Translation from Reddit below:
Hi, I'm Sea.
I'm not good at writing long posts so I'm not sure if it'll turn out well, but I ask you to please read on.
I did not harass nor assult the other BJ during the stream. People are taking the specific moments from the broadcast and making me look like I assulted and/or sexually harassed her but that is not the case.
I am close friends with her (the female BJ), and we streamed many times together. The concept of the broadcast, when we streamed, was that I would try to touch her (T/N: word was "skinship", imo aka flirting, but with slight physical contact. Not to be confused with just touching her overly.), she would punch me in response, and that would continue. That was the concept. The said video that's floating around the internet was part of the concept, and it was nothing sexual. In fact, after the article was posted, my friend (the female BJ) messaged me saying that she was worried for me and asked if there's anything she could do to help out.
For the part where I looked like I was "assulting" her, I hit her in the elbow two times, and she threw ice cold water at my face, everyone laughed, and the atmosphere was pretty good.
I'm not saying that I did nothing wrong. I did drink a lot, and I did many questionable things on stream that made my viewers feel uncomfortable. However, unlike what the article states, I did not sexually harass or physically assult someone.
My reputation has been really tainted due to this incident, and my family is also having a very hard time due to this.
Today, I met a lawyer and decided to sue the journalists who wrote and posted the article online. I am also planning to sue those who are writing very hateful speech against me online, after I gather some evidence.
There's also some misunderstanding on my Afreeca ban:
I was banned 3 days for throwing up on stream, and 3 days for assulting another BJ on stream. Thus, it came out to be a 1 week ban.
What I think is very unfair, however, is the fact that I was disqualified from ASL Season 4 due to the 1 week ban.
I don't think it was right for me to receive the 3 day ban for fooling around with the regular broadcast concept, hitting the female BJ on the elbow, then considering it as an assult against another BJ. (T/N: He's not claiming that he "hit" her in a sense that he assulted her, but rather it was part of him flirting around/fooling around with her)
I can't understand this at all, and I feel its very unfair that I am forced to give up my ASL spot, possibly my last ASL before I turn 30.
Please do not insult me based on the malicious articles (T/N more like witchhunt) and posts that only contain assumptions and no facts.
Last but not least, if you see any comments or posts heavily insulting me online, trying to defame me for this particular incident, please email me at --- (T/N: Due to some... Not so great conversations happening on TL and other stuff, I'm removing the email on purpose)
Thank you.
Mod Edit:
On September 07 2017 21:30 GTR wrote:I quickly translated the article. If a moderator could put it in the OP it'd be appreciated. Show nested quote +Starcraft ex-progamer Mr. Yeom (27) has been under the centre of controversy over a live internet broadcast hitting a female BJ while drinking.
On the 6th, he broadcasted a drinking stream with other BJ's where he appeared to be quite intoxicated.
The problem was that Mr. Yeom had hit the female BJ.
He had raised his hand several times on the shoulder of the BJ where it was evident the woman felt uncomfortable. The BJ also attempted to shrug off Mr. Yeom several times before he hit her.
The woman got upset and left as other BJ's around them began to restrain Mr. Yeom. All of this were broadcast online in real time.
Community response has been one of mostly shock, mostly stemming from the stark contrast of behavior of Mr. Yeom from his professional gaming career to this incident. Whenever Afreeca releases a statement regarding his DQ then I'll translate that as well, but if Larva/Bisu/Light are confirming it themselves on stream (who are part of Kongdoo, who run the ASL), then I'm sure that's pretty credible evidence. EDIT: Afreeca's landing page for ASL Season 4 now has Sea replaced by Killer in all graphics.
Source: http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?mode=LSD&mid=sec&sid1=102&oid=025&aid=0002752430
It has already been the top news on Naver. lolololol......
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Am I reading it correct? Sea hacked off due to his druken rampage?
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Bisutopia19208 Posts
This wouldn't be the first time he shot himself in the foot.
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Yes, and he was banned by Afreeca for 1 week.
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wow if that's him in the picture... the way he's treating that girl? i don't want to badmouth ANYONE before there's explicit evidence, but it sure looks bad. Can somebody translate please and provide additional background info?
Then even if he had a "drunken rampage" perhaps he just tried to flirt with her and wasn't sure how to do it right. I don't wanna speculate here. This could be big drama.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49891 Posts
Disgraceful.
Hilarious, but disgraceful.
Edit: just Disgraceful
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Looks like very unacceptable behaviour. If that is him the ban if justified for sure.
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On September 07 2017 20:46 Cele wrote:
wow if that's him in the picture... the way he's treating that girl? i don't want to badmouth ANYONE before there's explicit evidence, but it sure looks bad. Can somebody translate please and provide additional background info?
Then even if he had a "drunken rampage" perhaps he just tried to flirt with her and wasn't sure how to do it right. I don't wanna speculate here. This could be big drama.
he was streaming it on his afreeca channel, it's all there in colour lol
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On September 07 2017 20:55 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 20:46 Cele wrote:
wow if that's him in the picture... the way he's treating that girl? i don't want to badmouth ANYONE before there's explicit evidence, but it sure looks bad. Can somebody translate please and provide additional background info?
Then even if he had a "drunken rampage" perhaps he just tried to flirt with her and wasn't sure how to do it right. I don't wanna speculate here. This could be big drama. he was streaming it on his afreeca channel, it's all there in colour lol
doesn't make it any better, wow.
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Wtf Sea ?  I guess he was drunk... Even if it's still not excusable.
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It says she cussed him out and stormed out (And he started doing that because she was blocking his advances) so nobody should assume he was just being playful/it was just a misunderstanding.
Not saying anyone here is, just reading from the page.
Edit: he started cussing her to the other guy, I should really read through this properly before posting x)
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49891 Posts
On September 07 2017 21:04 ShloobeR wrote:
It says she cussed him out and stormed out (And he started doing that because she was blocking his advances) so nobody should assume he was just being playful/it was just a misunderstanding.
Not saying anyone here is, just reading from the page.
well, now its not funny at all, I apologize for even thinking it was.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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On September 07 2017 21:06 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 21:04 ShloobeR wrote:
It says she cussed him out and stormed out (And he started doing that because she was blocking his advances) so nobody should assume he was just being playful/it was just a misunderstanding.
Not saying anyone here is, just reading from the page. well, now its not funny at all, I apologize for even thinking it was.
yeah i agree. It's totally inexcusable of him, actually!
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Uhh, okay well more specifically with the advances thing it seems to be just what netizens are saying but it seems pretty clear from the images... right?
Hopefully I'm not making it sound worse than it is x)
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Who is the lady? Looks a bit like the presenter from SSL?
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This OP could definitely be cleaned up for those who can't understand Korean.
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I'm not sure, article just says female BJ and I don't really know any of them
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51398 Posts
On September 07 2017 21:13 ShloobeR wrote:I'm not sure, article just says female BJ and I don't really know any of them
IIRC last night sea had some bj's over at his house (both male and female) and was teaching the male guys how to play starcraft
then they went out and.... i guess this is the result of it.
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
Saw the gifs of this. He was flirting and she didn't want any of it so he hit her, it didn't look like it was hard or deliberate to harm, but still he shouldn't have done it. The ban is justified definitely, but losing him in SSL is a huge blow for him.
Maybe he should think before he drinks next time.
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Jesus... worst than svarios match fixing scandal imo.
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I feel that might be overblowing it a tad
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1. can't blame a guy for tryin'
2. persistent fucker
3. go home sea you're drunk
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On September 07 2017 21:22 mishimaBeef wrote:
1. can't blame a guy for tryin'
2. persistent fucker
3. go home sea you're drunk
Should learn what no means and fuck off.
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51398 Posts
I quickly translated the article. If a moderator could put it in the OP it'd be appreciated.
Starcraft ex-progamer Mr. Yeom (27) has been under the centre of controversy over a live internet broadcast hitting a female BJ while drinking.
On the 6th, he broadcasted a drinking stream with other BJ's where he appeared to be quite intoxicated.
The problem was that Mr. Yeom had hit the female BJ.
He had raised his hand several times on the shoulder of the BJ where it was evident the woman felt uncomfortable. The BJ also attempted to shrug off Mr. Yeom several times before he hit her.
The woman got upset and left as other BJ's around them began to restrain Mr. Yeom. All of this were broadcast online in real time.
Community response has been one of mostly shock, mostly stemming from the stark contrast of behavior of Mr. Yeom from his professional gaming career to this incident.
Whenever Afreeca releases a statement regarding his DQ then I'll translate that as well, but if Larva/Bisu/Light are confirming it themselves on stream (who are part of Kongdoo, who run the ASL), then I'm sure that's pretty credible evidence.
EDIT: Afreeca's landing page for ASL Season 4 now has Sea replaced by Killer in all graphics.
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On September 07 2017 21:29 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 21:22 mishimaBeef wrote:
1. can't blame a guy for tryin'
2. persistent fucker
3. go home sea you're drunk Should learn what no means and fuck off.
i leave the ought to you
i write the is
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Well deserved. I find that type of behaviour disgusting, regardless of whether intoxication had anything to do with it.
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Japan11285 Posts
welp, gg Sea.
Under the influence or not, this is just bad.
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On September 07 2017 21:19 XenOsky- wrote:
Jesus... worst than svarios match fixing scandal imo.
How about Luxury? Match-fixer *and* wife abuser.
-_-
This fucking sucks...
On September 07 2017 21:37 papapanda wrote:
What is a BJ?
Broadcasting Jockey = Afreeca streamer basically.
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On September 07 2017 21:37 papapanda wrote:
What is a BJ?
Google it 
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On September 07 2017 21:34 mishimaBeef wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 21:29 arb wrote:On September 07 2017 21:22 mishimaBeef wrote:
1. can't blame a guy for tryin'
2. persistent fucker
3. go home sea you're drunk Should learn what no means and fuck off. i leave the ought to you i write the is
okay, i'm writing about the IS aswell:
Hitting a woman because she isn't open to your flirting is unacceptable and can not be summed up under "can't blame a guy for tryin"
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On September 07 2017 21:38 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 21:19 XenOsky- wrote:
Jesus... worst than svarios match fixing scandal imo. How about Luxury? Match-fixer *and* wife abuser. -_- This fucking sucks... Broadcasting Jockey = Afreeca streamer basically.
except that he was cleared from the wife abuser.
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On September 07 2017 21:41 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 21:38 207aicila wrote:On September 07 2017 21:19 XenOsky- wrote:
Jesus... worst than svarios match fixing scandal imo. How about Luxury? Match-fixer *and* wife abuser. -_- This fucking sucks... On September 07 2017 21:37 papapanda wrote:
What is a BJ? Broadcasting Jockey = Afreeca streamer basically. except that he was cleared from the wife abuser.
And OJ Simpson was found not guilty of murder...
Are you sure you wanna go there?
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On September 07 2017 21:39 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 21:34 mishimaBeef wrote:On September 07 2017 21:29 arb wrote:On September 07 2017 21:22 mishimaBeef wrote:
1. can't blame a guy for tryin'
2. persistent fucker
3. go home sea you're drunk Should learn what no means and fuck off. i leave the ought to you i write the is okay, i'm writing about the IS aswell: Hitting a woman because she isn't open to your flirting is unacceptable and can not be summed up under "can't blame a guy for tryin"
you failed to realize my numbers match the gifs and hitting the woman is 3
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On September 07 2017 21:43 mishimaBeef wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 21:39 Cele wrote:On September 07 2017 21:34 mishimaBeef wrote:On September 07 2017 21:29 arb wrote:On September 07 2017 21:22 mishimaBeef wrote:
1. can't blame a guy for tryin'
2. persistent fucker
3. go home sea you're drunk Should learn what no means and fuck off. i leave the ought to you i write the is okay, i'm writing about the IS aswell: Hitting a woman because she isn't open to your flirting is unacceptable and can not be summed up under "can't blame a guy for tryin" you failed to realize my numbers match the gifs and hitting the woman is 3
okay, you meant it that way, i didn't realize that. Apologies.
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The dark side of being a grown-up child is starting to catch up with him. He was always goofy and over-the-top on his stream but I wasn't sure if that's just some act or not. Now we know, sadly that it wasn't.
I hope he takes time to reflect because this is unacceptable. And no need to blame alcohol or being under the influence, that's a weak excuse, I think.
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United States11390 Posts
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On September 07 2017 21:43 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 21:41 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On September 07 2017 21:38 207aicila wrote:On September 07 2017 21:19 XenOsky- wrote:
Jesus... worst than svarios match fixing scandal imo. How about Luxury? Match-fixer *and* wife abuser. -_- This fucking sucks... On September 07 2017 21:37 papapanda wrote:
What is a BJ? Broadcasting Jockey = Afreeca streamer basically. except that he was cleared from the wife abuser. And OJ Simpson was found not guilty of murder... Are you sure you wanna go there?
Sure he should be. If a court has found you innocent, people that blame you for it are commiting slander and defamation.
Imagine this scenario: I tell the whole world that you are a pedophile and you go in front of court to sue me and win the case, but since I have told so many people this lie, people still believe you are. That isn't nice, is it? It's exactly the same thing you are doing here right now. Sure there are cases where a court has ruled wrongly, but in general we have to assume that rulings of courts must be correct. Otherwise our whole legal system collapses...
On-topic:
Not acceptable behaviour and even if you are intoxicated from alcohol you cannot do stuff like this. Sure many of us have done stupid things being drunk in the past, but hitting a woman purely on the basis of her rejection can never be acceptable. Now Sea must live with the consequences.
+ Show Spoiler +I am very happy for Killer though, hopefully he uses this donated chance and trains hardcore 24/7 til his first match. I want to see an in form Killer in ASL 4 :D
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Women don't have it easy in Korea. You should get smacked down for pulling of shit like that.
At least i would if i had been sitting on the otherside of the table.
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On September 07 2017 21:57 Beyond Magic wrote:
Women don't have it easy in Korea.
Would you mind elaborating? How does it differ from the west?
Just curious, always interesting to learn about other cultures.
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lol those are the most effete punches i've ever seen.
not a good look at all
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Not quite how I wanted to see Killer get in the ASL, but I hope he does well.
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On September 07 2017 22:03 coolprogrammingstuff wrote:
lol those are the most effete punches i've ever seen.
not a good look at all
Yeah, if you're gonna be a disgusting human being and punch women you should at least practice first. She probably wishes there was no stream so she could beat him up.
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On September 07 2017 20:44 Zy100311 wrote:
Yes, and he was banned by Afreeca for 1 week.
That's less than i would give him, lucky him.
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Damn, where is FakeSteve right now?
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On September 07 2017 22:05 Kanil wrote:
Not quite how I wanted to see Killer get in the ASL, but I hope he does well.
He has a long way to go before he is at his old form. He is even struggling in zvp currently.
also killer vs sky right away, time to commit sudoku at this cruel life
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On September 07 2017 21:43 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 21:41 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On September 07 2017 21:38 207aicila wrote:On September 07 2017 21:19 XenOsky- wrote:
Jesus... worst than svarios match fixing scandal imo. How about Luxury? Match-fixer *and* wife abuser. -_- This fucking sucks... On September 07 2017 21:37 papapanda wrote:
What is a BJ? Broadcasting Jockey = Afreeca streamer basically. except that he was cleared from the wife abuser. And OJ Simpson was found not guilty of murder... Are you sure you wanna go there?
Innocent until proven guilty.
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Japan11285 Posts
On September 07 2017 22:16 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 22:05 Kanil wrote:
Not quite how I wanted to see Killer get in the ASL, but I hope he does well. He has a long way to go before he is at his old form. He is even struggling in zvp currently. also killer vs sky right away, time to commit sudoku at this cruel life
o,o This is like some mindfuck plot twist lol. And I'm not even an Oz fan
With Killer struggling with ZvP, then who knows how many shield batteries Sky will make lol
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Magic Woods9326 Posts
On September 07 2017 22:16 Harem wrote:
also killer vs sky right away, time to commit sudoku at this cruel life
only good thing to come out of this thread fuck
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hitting a female BJ ... all i know for bj is blowjob can someone tell me what this bj is ?
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On September 07 2017 22:40 Drake wrote:
hitting a female BJ ... all i know for bj is blowjob can someone tell me what this bj is ?
Broadcast Jockey, it simply means streamer.
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On September 07 2017 22:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 22:40 Drake wrote:
hitting a female BJ ... all i know for bj is blowjob can someone tell me what this bj is ? Broadcast Jockey, it simply means streamer.
THANKS! i sit here read the story and dont get it because of it ^^
drinking is never healthy we all know but there is basivly 3 types of persons when drunk:
the funny one (sometimes all they can do is laught)
the chatty one
and the violent one
if ur in the 3rd group you should not drink until ur drunken because u ARE responsible for ur actions if u KNOW ur an asshole if ur drunk
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On September 07 2017 22:38 Epoxide wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 22:16 Harem wrote:
also killer vs sky right away, time to commit sudoku at this cruel life
only good thing to come out of this thread fuck
Poxy is just a tsundere, I can't handle it.
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She was asking for it.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On September 07 2017 21:55 chrisolo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 21:43 207aicila wrote:On September 07 2017 21:41 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On September 07 2017 21:38 207aicila wrote:On September 07 2017 21:19 XenOsky- wrote:
Jesus... worst than svarios match fixing scandal imo. How about Luxury? Match-fixer *and* wife abuser. -_- This fucking sucks... On September 07 2017 21:37 papapanda wrote:
What is a BJ? Broadcasting Jockey = Afreeca streamer basically. except that he was cleared from the wife abuser. And OJ Simpson was found not guilty of murder... Are you sure you wanna go there? Sure he should be. If a court has found you innocent, people that blame you for it are commiting slander and defamation.
just because a court has found the evidence against you insufficient to adjudge you doesnt mean that any blame is slander and defamation. you could be sued for that if you were to bring it up in a legal process or similar, but a court ruling isnt the absolute truth
Imagine this scenario: I tell the whole world that you are a pedophile and you go in front of court to sue me and win the case, but since I have told so many people this lie, people still believe you are.
thats a really dumb scenario and if your accusation isnt based on anything legit, people wont just believe anything because someone said it lol
It's exactly the same thing you are doing here right now.
no, its not. he was bringing up a "controversial" case to show that being found innocent by a court doesnt necessarily mean you didnt do it.
Sure there are cases where a court has ruled wrongly, but in general we have to assume that rulings of courts must be correct. Otherwise our whole legal system collapses...
thats not how it works dude. the legal system, public perception and the truth are different things that are enmeshed in each other. one shouldnt by default be seen as the other.
all this has nothing to do with Sea anymore though. imo he can be glad about the punishment. lets hope he learns something from this incident.
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On September 07 2017 22:48 iFU.pauline wrote:
She was asking for it.
wow most disgusting thing i read today ...
overall 1 week ban in afreeca and losing of asl place is less then what i would give him for punching the girl ...
and all of that on stream damn u see how stupid alcohol can make u
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of course I'm missing all the information, which is absolutely vital for something like this, but from the gifs it doesn't look good for Sea. This is coming from someone who really wants to take Sea's side and am probably more biased in his favor.
The hand on the shoulder doesn't tell me anything since we lack context and audio. The punching doesn't look like a "joking" manner because you can see that his hands are clenched and by looking at his forearms you can clearly see that they are flexed.
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On September 07 2017 22:52 jaeboss wrote:
of course I'm missing all the information, which is absolutely vital for something like this, but from the gifs it doesn't look good for Sea. This is coming from someone who really wants to take Sea's side and am probably more biased in his favor.
The hand on the shoulder doesn't tell me anything since we lack context and audio. The punching doesn't look like a "joking" manner because you can see that his hands are clenched and by looking at his forearms you can clearly see that they are flexed.
... same .. i love sea i wanna protect him but this ... nah he lost rly my respect for this
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Then all these trolls come out of the woodwork and start judging this great man, all these fatties, these fucking old guys who never got any with their jowls, coming on TV, absolutely reprehensible behavior, what kind of a public servant, his legacy is…
I fail to see anything of note happening.
1. Most of us here don't know what's been said or what's been done aside from 3 short gifs.
2. She could have switched seats if she was really uncomfortable (right after gif 2 for example).
3. The punches very much look like fake punches.
4. Reverse the genders, or make both of them a man. Do you think he would have been removed from ASL? Yeah.
Thanks for the laugh. I looked at the first 4 articles. 3 articles were written by people who spent one year in South Korea during their college years (Caroline Yarber, Zeena Starbuck, Michelle Kwon).
3 of them young women that seem to have recently graduated. Dare I say feminists (One even explicitly mentions rape culture and a pay gap in AMERICA LOL). 3 of them have no sources anywhere in the articles. Especially the first article, the one that was actually written by someone at least born in South Korea is purely anecdotal with zero listed sources.
Finally a country with a female president, led by a shadow-government consisting of "8 goddesses" with an independent ministry of "gender equality", sure sounds like they're a total patriarchy where men are just racking in the benefits.
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Soooo....any vods? I just really can't picture it.
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On September 07 2017 22:58 B-royal wrote:
Then all these trolls come out of the woodwork and start judging this great man, all these fatties, these fucking old guys who never got any with their jowls, coming on TV, absolutely reprehensible behavior, what kind of a public servant, his legacy is…
I fail to see anything of note happening.
1. Most of us here don't know what's been said or what's been done aside from 3 short gifs.
2. She could have switched seats if she was really uncomfortable (right after gif 2 for example).
3. The punches very much look like fake punches.
4. Reverse the genders, or make both of them a man. Do you think he would have been removed from ASL? Yeah.
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... she refused his hand on shoulder
... u see her reaction on the punch do u ? that aint "fun" ... to say this is redicilous
... u now just look like a prick ... maybe someone not told u as child NOT TO HIT WOMEN
disgusting
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On September 07 2017 22:58 B-royal wrote:
The punches very much look like fake punches.
1) at the end of the 2nd punch look at sea's left forearm. you can see the striations that is caused by hard flexing. that doesn't happen if you are "playfully hitting"
2) we lack context. if they were fake punches, why did someone who had the full context feel the need to reach over and grab his punching arm?
as far as those articles that women have it hard in korea..i'm not so sure I buy them. they are from very liberal sources and if you read or saw mainstream media in the USA u would think we were still subjugating women and enslaving blacks. i mean south korea's last president was female...sure, our last president was black which doesn't mean racism is eliminated, but I don't buy the notion that blacks are an oppressed group like mainstream media would have you believe. you want to know a place where women actually have it bad? saudi arabia
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Damn that sucks. But at least there are 2 zergs to watch in round 1, but I was looking forward to a potential Larva vs Sea.
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Domestic violence is unforgivable imo
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On September 07 2017 22:58 B-royal wrote:Then all these trolls come out of the woodwork and start judging this great man, all these fatties, these fucking old guys who never got any with their jowls, coming on TV, absolutely reprehensible behavior, what kind of a public servant, his legacy is…I fail to see anything of note happening. 1. Most of us here don't know what's been said or what's been done aside from 3 short gifs. 2. She could have switched seats if she was really uncomfortable (right after gif 2 for example). 3. The punches very much look like fake punches. 4. Reverse the genders, or make both of them a man. Do you think he would have been removed from ASL? Yeah. Thanks for the laugh. I looked at the first 4 articles. 3 articles were written by people who spent one year in South Korea during their college years (Caroline Yarber, Zeena Starbuck, Michelle Kwon). 3 of them young women that seem to have recently graduated. Dare I say feminists (One even explicitly mentions rape culture and a pay gap in AMERICA LOL). 3 of them have no sources anywhere in the articles. Especially the first article, the one that was actually written by someone at least born in South Korea is purely anecdotal with zero listed sources. Finally a country with a female president, led by a shadow-government consisting of "8 goddesses" with an independent ministry of "gender equality", sure sounds like they're a total patriarchy where men are just racking in the benefits.
Man, fuck you.
She's already on camera at a live-streamed event, likely trying to avoid drama like this. After the first drunken hand on the shoulder, she's worried about being seen as a bitch if she gets up and insists on moving around the table. It simply doesn't look good for women to make a huge deal out of things like this.
Those punches don't look like he's trying to knock her out, but it doesn't look like he's just joking around. He's struggling to sit up straight.
Very well deserved ban imo. What a prick.
On September 07 2017 22:48 iFU.pauline wrote:
She was asking for it.
Man, fuck you too.
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On September 07 2017 22:58 B-royal wrote:Then all these trolls come out of the woodwork and start judging this great man, all these fatties, these fucking old guys who never got any with their jowls, coming on TV, absolutely reprehensible behavior, what kind of a public servant, his legacy is…I fail to see anything of note happening. 1. Most of us here don't know what's been said or what's been done aside from 3 short gifs. 2. She could have switched seats if she was really uncomfortable (right after gif 2 for example). 3. The punches very much look like fake punches. 4. Reverse the genders, or make both of them a man. Do you think he would have been removed from ASL? Yeah. Thanks for the laugh. I looked at the first 4 articles. 3 articles were written by people who spent one year in South Korea during their college years (Caroline Yarber, Zeena Starbuck, Michelle Kwon). 3 of them young women that seem to have recently graduated. Dare I say feminists (One even explicitly mentions rape culture and a pay gap in AMERICA LOL). 3 of them have no sources anywhere in the articles. Especially the first article, the one that was actually written by someone at least born in South Korea is purely anecdotal with zero listed sources. Finally a country with a female president, led by a shadow-government consisting of "8 goddesses" with an independent ministry of "gender equality", sure sounds like they're a total patriarchy where men are just racking in the benefits.
I did not want to link academic papers or korean articles for someone who is interested in the general idea of what these cultural differences consist of from an outsiders perspective.
If someone is more interested, they can look for articles or ask for further links.
The first one is under the opinion category because it is an opinion.
On the bright side, it's good I got someone to laugh, this thread was getting quite sour over what's happened.
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Hard to tell if those punches were real or not, wish we had a video instead of a gif. Doesnt look 100% fake either, so im assuming they were awkward because A) hes a nerd B) hes drunk as hell
very surprising to see sea do this, he always seemed like such a nice guy. He even posted on TL a bunch of times.
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Wow, what an idiot.
Disappointing. Seemed like a cool dude when he was on Liquid.
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im waiting for sea's stream to see/hear his reaction to the event
Edit: im stupid... i have to wait 1 week because he is banned -.-
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I personally find that you made a drama from nothing, this is a very normal reaction from a drunk person, I think that you can see this kind of scene in every bar in every part of the world... Maybe some persons can act normally even if they drunk, others not...
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On September 07 2017 23:42 Sk0 wrote:
I personally find that you made a drama from nothing, this is a very normal reaction from a drunk person, I think that you can see this kind of scene in every bar in every part of the world... Maybe some persons can act normally even if they drunk, others not...
Ya I don't think so buddy. I've been to a million clubs/bars (this actually looks more like a restaurant) and someone would get their ass beat for "hitting" a woman like this. I write hitting like that because I'm not sure what those punches were supposed to be. Really shitty real ones would be my guess but I'm unsure.
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http://www.ygosu.com/community/st/984132
There's uncensored gif of incident
While blurring on naver click bait article makes it seem a lot worse, it's still bad. Seas seems extremely grabby when drunk and I am surprised he lasted this long since he does tons of drunk stream with girls
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Didn't Sea always have a reputation for going crazy when drinking?
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On September 07 2017 23:42 Sk0 wrote:
I personally find that you made a drama from nothing, this is a very normal reaction from a drunk person, I think that you can see this kind of scene in every bar in every part of the world... Maybe some persons can act normally even if they drunk, others not...
No. If this is "normal" for you, you're a piece of shit. Hitting women is disgraceful.
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On September 07 2017 23:42 Sk0 wrote:
I personally find that you made a drama from nothing, this is a very normal reaction from a drunk person, I think that you can see this kind of scene in every bar in every part of the world... Maybe some persons can act normally even if they drunk, others not...
Do you have a sister? How would you like if I made your sister so uncomfortable as this girl looks to be? Look the way she sits relaxed and how she tenses up after the first hit. You would think it was playful if I bothered and hit your little sister like that?
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On September 08 2017 00:06 jinjin5000 wrote:http://www.ygosu.com/community/st/984132There's uncensored gif of incident While blurring on naver click bait article makes it seem a lot worse, it's still bad. Seas seems extremely grabby when drunk and I am surprised he lasted this long since he does tons of drunk stream with girls
hmm, yeah the unblurred gif doesn't make it look as bad. after seeing this I can't really make up my mind. I don't condone hitting women but without being there, hearing what was said, experiencing the full context, I can't decide how playful the hitting was. I would be able to make a better decision if we were able to hear from the girl getting hit. Did she feel as though it was aggressive or playful? How hard were the punches? also, does anyone know what was said by the girl to prompt the hitting? I assume he didn't just decide to punch her for no reason out of the blue.
I'm leaning toward the opinion that the hitting was kind of douchey, but not as bad as full out domestic abuse where a guy beats the shit out his gf / wife. The grabiness isn't defendable imo. Once is fine but once she sends the clear message that it isn't wanted it isn't okay to keep trying...especially in that one gif where sea puts his arm around her, she removes his hand and sea slides his hand down and around her body. I'm really reluctant to use the word 'sexual harassment' but that is getting really close, if not already entering the realm of sexual harassment.
also...the girl in the black and white is a cutie!
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On September 08 2017 00:14 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 23:42 Sk0 wrote:
I personally find that you made a drama from nothing, this is a very normal reaction from a drunk person, I think that you can see this kind of scene in every bar in every part of the world... Maybe some persons can act normally even if they drunk, others not... No. If this is "normal" for you, you're a piece of shit. Hitting women is disgraceful.
Gender inequality ftw. Yea it was a shitty action and im sure he deeply regrets it. I think so many fucked up shit happens when ppl are drunk, I don't think we need to call the guy a piece of shit cause he made one mistake. We'd probably all be pieces of shit going by such reasoning. Mistakes happen, let's hope he will/has learn(ed) from it.
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On September 08 2017 00:21 jaeboss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 00:06 jinjin5000 wrote:http://www.ygosu.com/community/st/984132There's uncensored gif of incident While blurring on naver click bait article makes it seem a lot worse, it's still bad. Seas seems extremely grabby when drunk and I am surprised he lasted this long since he does tons of drunk stream with girls hmm, yeah the unblurred gif doesn't make it look as bad. after seeing this I can't really make up my mind. I don't condone hitting women but without being there, hearing what was said, experiencing the full context, I can't decide how playful the hitting was. I would be able to make a better decision if we were able to hear from the girl getting hit. Did she feel as though it was aggressive or playful? How hard were the punches? also, does anyone know what was said by the girl to prompt the hitting? I assume he didn't just decide to punch her for no reason out of the blue.
while im new to whole BW scene, Sea has this reputation of being extremely grabby and touchy when drunk.
His youtube channel is littered with these kind of videos. Drunk girl streamer collab are common. Only a matter of time before he got suspended really.
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dude is mega hammered, can barely keep his eyes open
someone shoulda taken him home hours before this
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Wait, why Killer exactly?
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in the unblurred gif/video :
The face he is making while punching... lol
The first punch looks harder than the second one, which looks pretty weak?
Doesn't seem like he intended to be very violent, but as everyone said already it is still inexusable behavior.
btw did you notice that the guy trying to hold his arm after the two punches is laughing at the same time. I don't think it was very violent punches because the other guy woundl't be laughing he would be like "hey man WTF are you doing?"
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What a dumbass.
As a side note, group A just got a little less interesting.
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On September 07 2017 22:50 Drake wrote:wow most disgusting thing i read today ...
pretty sure it's a joke.
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Ok, without the blurs this looks totally different. He was obnoxious for hitting on her repeatedly, obviously, but he didnt assault her like I had previously thought.
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On September 08 2017 00:37 Bacillus01 wrote:
in the unblurred gif/video :
The face he is making while punching... lol
The first punch looks harder than the second one, which looks pretty weak?
Doesn't seem like he intended to be very violent, but as everyone said already it is still inexusable behavior.
btw did you notice that the guy trying to hold his arm after the two punches is laughing at the same time. I don't think it was very violent punches because the other guy woundl't be laughing he would be like "hey man WTF are you doing?"
judging by reaction on reddit and here, I would have thought sea assaulted her if I didn't see ygosu exploding last night over Sea's stream and saw the unblurred version. If I saw the blurred gif first, I would have thought sea assaulted her (hell I had to check unblurred gif again to make sure I saw it right)
Sea's behavior is 100% unacceptable, but I can't say I agree with claims about this being domestic violence. It was Sea's usual degenerate grabby drunk stream with playful punch that is being blown out of proportion everywhere, including korea since this is on news now.
on other note, Sea shouldn't even play victim when his suspensions over but I know he would.
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Well, I don't think you should dismiss it as a joke if the woman is clearly not accepting it as a joke. Sea really should have had the foresight to not do dumb shit on a live stream. The punishment pretty much fits the bill, he's not permanently banned from tournaments or streaming. Basically he gets hit in the pocket book by some private organizations who don't want to be associated with his behavior.
I'm a big fan of sea, hopefully he learns from his mistake and just keeps his hands to himself in the future so we can see some more great games.
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This is BS. Even if he did that what it has to do with BW? He qualified fairly and shaving off from tourney because of that is unfair.
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This is just so .... wierd
It's like a metaphor for 'Adult Life'
I'll generalize:
When we were younger, we'd see an idealized version of progamers - living in camaraderie in team houses, training to be the best and swapping strategies, some ceremonies after games, rare appearances on shows (like B.Net Attack). Who didn't glorify the National Geographic WCG2005 documentary?
Then you had the slew of reality shows - Hyongjoon and Kang Min, then Yellow and Boxer's appearances on The Genius. A bit deeper exposure to gamers-as-people, their living quarters, their lives outside the game.
But now, it's gotten oversaturated. To make ends meet, the guys who have stuck to it have to make their own reality shows. The more you stream, the more you're paid, it becomes reflexive. You forget you're on (Afreeca)TV.
If Sea and the others had been on the set of a Reality Show, I highly doubt that 1. he would have been THAT drunk 2. he would have been so persistent, let alone hit her. There would have been handlers nearby to step in and make it easy for her to leave the situation without shame.
The glamour we used to admire of being full-time gamers, or at least celebrities, is replaced with over-drinking and relationship problems. Sure he misbehaved, but what's really unhealthy here?
That he feels forced to constantly over-share his life? He had a financial incentive to be 'more dramatic' = more views. Pity he couldn't control himself.
That as viewers, we lap this up and actually enjoy watching the implosion of one of our 'entertainers'? This guy has taken such a shaky career-path, to do what he loved and equally to do what WE LOVE for us (entertaining us with skill play). And then we turn and devour him when he lashes out, our enjoyment at the expense of his burnout.
SeaLovesTL
AndTLLovesSea
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youtu.be/AvfjqpdJ7f8
youtu.be/7-JSKQ5mKMI
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On September 08 2017 00:55 outscar wrote:
This is BS. Even if he did that what it has to do with BW? He qualified fairly and shaving off from tourney because of that is unfair.
One could make that argument i guess. In this case it's linked through the streaming platform afreeca though which is the tournament oragnizer so i can see why they do it.
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On September 07 2017 23:42 Sk0 wrote:
I personally find that you made a drama from nothing, this is a very normal reaction from a drunk person, I think that you can see this kind of scene in every bar in every part of the world... Maybe some persons can act normally even if they drunk, others not...
Even IF you're of the opinion that this is commonplace behavior in bars around the world. There's young people watching his stream that idolise him. If he wasn't streaming himself being a twat he likely wouldn't have been made an example of, but as is Afreeca can't let this go unpunished.
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On September 08 2017 01:01 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 23:42 Sk0 wrote:
I personally find that you made a drama from nothing, this is a very normal reaction from a drunk person, I think that you can see this kind of scene in every bar in every part of the world... Maybe some persons can act normally even if they drunk, others not... Even IF you're of the opinion that this is commonplace behavior in bars around the world. There's young people watching his stream that idolise him. If he wasn't streaming himself being a twat he likely wouldn't have been made an example of, but as is Afreeca can't let this go unpunished.
his stream was 19+ dude. And who would idolize Sea lol, Sea is more of a Terror clone. I can see how someone can idolize Flash or Jaedong, but Sea's always been silly.
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On September 08 2017 01:01 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 23:42 Sk0 wrote:
I personally find that you made a drama from nothing, this is a very normal reaction from a drunk person, I think that you can see this kind of scene in every bar in every part of the world... Maybe some persons can act normally even if they drunk, others not... Even IF you're of the opinion that this is commonplace behavior in bars around the world. There's young people watching his stream that idolise him. If he wasn't streaming himself being a twat he likely wouldn't have been made an example of, but as is Afreeca can't let this go unpunished.
Its drama from nearly nothing but still unacceptable when you are streaming.
On top of that, Sea is known for this kind of stream and had to have something. He was getting out of control
Whats annoying though, is that the sensationalization and also people suddenly becoming expert at the incident after seeing the blurred gif, which is understandable since I had to check the uncensored gif again because of how misdirecting blurred gif was despite already having seen the original
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How sad. I wouldn't have expected Sea to do something like that.
Here are some statistics from the OECD: There are more unemployed women than men in South Korea (graph). Women are also paid less than men, especially compared to other counties (graph). These match up with the statistics in the Bloomberg article (edit: I just noticed Bloomberg cites the OECD in their article).
That said, statistically, women have higher life satisfaction than men (graph). And, perhaps surprisingly, report higher job satisfaction (graph). I think it's clear there are a variety of factors at play here.
Anyway, sorry for going off topic. Just thought I'd add some more statistical research to the links PVJ posted. Some of which, in my opinion, misrepresent women related issues as solely caused by misogyny and sexism.
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One of the groups there is a couple who often playfully hit each other on stream (during mukbang ot w/e) so maybe Sea was trying to replicate some of that? From what I saw of the stream they were doing some of that but very toned down. The punch from Sea probably wasn't intended to be violent but he was drunk and it came out really bad.
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It doesn't look that bad really, maybe a temporary stream ban would be fair but getting kicked from ASL seems rather extreme.
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lol those "punches" clearly look like he's joking around. bunch of virgins in here don't know what the drunk culture in Korea is like, they get hammered until they can't walk.
What a fucking idiot streaming it lmao.
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On September 08 2017 01:18 youngjiddle wrote:
lol those "punches" clearly look like he's joking around. bunch of virgins in here don't know what the drunk culture in Korea is like, they get hammered until they can't walk.
What a fucking idiot streaming it lmao.
Can confirm, am a virgin. I hope I don't "punch" girls when I lose my virginity.
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On September 08 2017 01:18 SCC-Faust wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 01:18 youngjiddle wrote:
lol those "punches" clearly look like he's joking around. bunch of virgins in here don't know what the drunk culture in Korea is like, they get hammered until they can't walk.
What a fucking idiot streaming it lmao. Can confirm, am a virgin. I hope I don't "punch" girls when I lose my virginity.
two different sentences.
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On September 08 2017 00:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 00:55 outscar wrote:
This is BS. Even if he did that what it has to do with BW? He qualified fairly and shaving off from tourney because of that is unfair. One could make that argument i guess. In this case it's linked through the streaming platform afreeca though which is the tournament oragnizer so i can see why they do it.
A lot of people said the same thing about GOMTV revoking Naniwa's legitimately earned GSL seed after he threw a match against Nestea in the Blizzard Cup. The game in the end was ultimately meaningless.
This however is a hugely different situation. This is a guy getting very drunk, getting too touchy-feely with a woman he is clearly making uncomfortable and hitting her when she doesn't reciprocate his advances; all caught live on stream. Drunken behaviour or not, this is douchebaggery.
The fact is, when you are competing in a professional setting, you have to maintain a standard of etiquette. There's a reason why Destiny got thrown off two SC2 teams for his behaviour towards several women, why Stephano got suspended from EG for making jokes about molesting 14 year olds, why IdrA got kicked off of EG for wishing cancer upon people, and why no team will touch Avilo with a barge pole due to how BM and toxic he is and why he's also banned from /r/starcraft.
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"former progamer SEA drunkand touching and punching female BJ"
"drunk former progamer forces skinship and assaults female BJ "
"A former progamer forces upon skinship then proceeds to assault female BJ"
made it on news boys.
one of funny comments
"Sea accomplished what only BoXer vs NaDa final could: Make it on 9 oclock news"
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On September 08 2017 01:18 youngjiddle wrote:
lol those "punches" clearly look like he's joking around. bunch of virgins in here don't know what the drunk culture in Korea is like, they get hammered until they can't walk.
What a fucking idiot streaming it lmao.
If Sea has a reputation for acting like that whilst drunk, the best thing he could do is avoid getting shitfaced.
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On September 08 2017 01:05 juvenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 01:01 Saechiis wrote:On September 07 2017 23:42 Sk0 wrote:
I personally find that you made a drama from nothing, this is a very normal reaction from a drunk person, I think that you can see this kind of scene in every bar in every part of the world... Maybe some persons can act normally even if they drunk, others not... Even IF you're of the opinion that this is commonplace behavior in bars around the world. There's young people watching his stream that idolise him. If he wasn't streaming himself being a twat he likely wouldn't have been made an example of, but as is Afreeca can't let this go unpunished. his stream was 19+ dude. And who would idolize Sea lol, Sea is more of a Terror clone. I can see how someone can idolize Flash or Jaedong, but Sea's always been silly.
What does that mean? Do you have to register your Afreeca account with an ID?
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On September 07 2017 22:48 iFU.pauline wrote:
She was asking for it.
I can only hope this is a troll response, because humanity really needs saving if people legitimately think this woman was 'asking for it'...
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So this is what pretty much happened:
>Sea gets hella drunk on stream
>Sea tries to flirt with Yuh-soon BJ and tries to put his hand around her
>When she rejects Sea because he was being annoying and pushy, Sea punches at air to act as the village idiot who is dejected being rejected
>but it his yuh-soon's chest and arm
>yuh-soon dumps water+ice on sea's head and storms out
>The reporters, seeing this, twists this into super serious assault on woman
Thats the summary of what happened. Its absolutely unacceptable but its not what people think it is
Success is one hell of a drug. Sea had it long time coming and now it comes all crashing down
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On September 08 2017 01:32 jinjin5000 wrote:
>Sea punches at air to act as the village idiot who is dejected being rejected
>but it his yuh-soon's chest and arm
LOL
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On September 08 2017 01:26 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 01:05 juvenal wrote:On September 08 2017 01:01 Saechiis wrote:On September 07 2017 23:42 Sk0 wrote:
I personally find that you made a drama from nothing, this is a very normal reaction from a drunk person, I think that you can see this kind of scene in every bar in every part of the world... Maybe some persons can act normally even if they drunk, others not... Even IF you're of the opinion that this is commonplace behavior in bars around the world. There's young people watching his stream that idolise him. If he wasn't streaming himself being a twat he likely wouldn't have been made an example of, but as is Afreeca can't let this go unpunished. his stream was 19+ dude. And who would idolize Sea lol, Sea is more of a Terror clone. I can see how someone can idolize Flash or Jaedong, but Sea's always been silly. What does that mean? Do you have to register your Afreeca account with an ID?
iirc it's actually exactly that.
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On September 08 2017 01:32 jinjin5000 wrote:
So this is what pretty much happened:
>Sea gets hella drunk on stream
>Sea tries to flirt with Yuh-soon BJ and tries to put his hand around her
>When she rejects Sea because he was being annoying and pushy, Sea punches at air to act as the village idiot who is dejected being rejected
>but it his yuh-soon's chest and arm
>yuh-soon dumps water+ice on sea's head and storms out
>The reporters, seeing this, twists this into super serious assault on woman
Thats the summary of what happened. Its absolutely unacceptable but its not what people think it is
Success is one hell of a drug. Sea had it long time coming and now it comes all crashing down
"village idiot who is dejected being rejected" ???
Link the video of that sequence please.
Also, can all the lonely trump supporters please stop defending Sea.
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does anyone else think the girl sea is hitting on looks like jaedong in drag?
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one of the better terrans, but i never did like this guy's aloof demeanor.
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Non-garbage people don't suddenly start trying to assault women, drunk or otherwise. This is likely a pattern of behavior.
No sympathy for the damage this does to him professionally and personally.
Edit: lol @ some of the people in this thread. If you're reaction to this is to start rationalizing how it was "just" a bit of harassment and Sea's the victim here, I think we can draw some conclusions about your own attitudes.
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On September 08 2017 01:40 A.Alm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 01:32 jinjin5000 wrote:
So this is what pretty much happened:
>Sea gets hella drunk on stream
>Sea tries to flirt with Yuh-soon BJ and tries to put his hand around her
>When she rejects Sea because he was being annoying and pushy, Sea punches at air to act as the village idiot who is dejected being rejected
>but it his yuh-soon's chest and arm
>yuh-soon dumps water+ice on sea's head and storms out
>The reporters, seeing this, twists this into super serious assault on woman
Thats the summary of what happened. Its absolutely unacceptable but its not what people think it is
Success is one hell of a drug. Sea had it long time coming and now it comes all crashing down "village idiot who is dejected being rejected" ??? Link the video of that sequence please. Also, can all the lonely trump supporters please stop defending Sea.
I am not defending Sea much, just think it was more in line with "harassing" than assaulting. The whole thing seems blown out
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On September 08 2017 01:18 youngjiddle wrote:
lol those "punches" clearly look like he's joking around. bunch of virgins in here don't know what the drunk culture in Korea is like, they get hammered until they can't walk.
What a fucking idiot streaming it lmao.
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As a Korean who is embarrassingly familiar with the drunk culture from first hand experience I can attest you are full of shit and should shut your god damn figurative mouth. I've never once had friends/family/family-friends/total strangers tolorate that kind of bullshit. In the rare occasions it did happen, things got diffused very quickly.
Extra mysgoistic or not South Koreans are comically considerate about invading the opposite gender's personal space.
That was a real crummy thing Sea did and he should be punished. But I'm also worried for the guy. Dude is clearly drinking too much and he does this often enough to have a reputation for it.
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I think I believe sea when he says that he did intend to physically hurt her just because it's not really in his character.
But his actions overall definitely amount to sexual harassment.
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On September 08 2017 02:13 jinjin5000 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 01:40 A.Alm wrote:On September 08 2017 01:32 jinjin5000 wrote:
So this is what pretty much happened:
>Sea gets hella drunk on stream
>Sea tries to flirt with Yuh-soon BJ and tries to put his hand around her
>When she rejects Sea because he was being annoying and pushy, Sea punches at air to act as the village idiot who is dejected being rejected
>but it his yuh-soon's chest and arm
>yuh-soon dumps water+ice on sea's head and storms out
>The reporters, seeing this, twists this into super serious assault on woman
Thats the summary of what happened. Its absolutely unacceptable but its not what people think it is
Success is one hell of a drug. Sea had it long time coming and now it comes all crashing down "village idiot who is dejected being rejected" ??? Link the video of that sequence please. Also, can all the lonely trump supporters please stop defending Sea. I am not defending Sea much, just think it was more in line with "harassing" than assaulting. The whole thing seems blown out
u got link to the uncensored video?
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On September 08 2017 02:20 Setsunai wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 01:18 youngjiddle wrote:
lol those "punches" clearly look like he's joking around. bunch of virgins in here don't know what the drunk culture in Korea is like, they get hammered until they can't walk.
What a fucking idiot streaming it lmao.
User was temp banned for this post. As a Korean who is embarrassingly familiar with the drunk culture from first hand experience I can attest you are full of shit and should shut your god damn figurative mouth. I've never once had friends/family/family-friends/total strangers tolorate that kind of bullshit. In the rare occasions it did happen, things got diffused very quickly. Extra mysgoistic or not South Koreans are comically considerate about invading the opposite gender's personal space. That was a real crummy thing Sea did and he should be punished. But I'm also worried for the guy. Dude is clearly drinking too much and he does this often enough to have a reputation for it.
I thought it was more of joking around but with sea clearly crossing line during it. Thought it was more in line of harassing than assault really.
Sea clearly loses his plot when drinking, especially with his hands being really grabby when drunk. He should have had the suspension long ago before his own success got to his head too much
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Whoever posted those handpicked links trying to "point out" that this a "cultural" problem in Korea should realize that although women definitely have their own set of issues, especially as related to appearance and workplace expectations in Korea, in general they're treated extremely well nowadays.
Disregarding sea unable to handle his liquor, a lot of those cultural issues are rooted firmly in our parents generation and beyond.
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The order of the blurred gifs paints a different picture than unblurred gifs posted on another site. In the blurred gifs Sea makes his advances, gets rejected and then hits her. In the unblurred sequence he hits her and then the hugging starts. Also note that some time has passed between the hitting and the hugging (in one gif the background girl is sitting closer to them, in another she is almost out of frame).
With all that said, I still don't condone what Sea did. But I can't help but feel that one website tries to paint a narrative where Sea was rejected and lashes out in anger.
One more thing: is there no full video of the event so we can see the entire sequence? On twitch they have "clips" that users can make. Why is the only thing we have of this event just a bunch of separate gifs the order of which changes from website to website?
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This thread was hard to read. I personally find it pretty sickening that most people's primary objection to the event stems from the fact that she is a woman.
Honestly, he deserves the ban regardless of who sitting next to him. Losing your cool like that and assaulting another person should never be acceptable regardless of the circumstances and regardless of who the affected party is.
On a side note, the lesson that comes of this will almost certainly be the wrong one: Don't film, stream or take pictures of your disgusting personal life.
Most public figures don't allow you to have phones or cameras if you're out with them, it doesn't seem like a steep learning curve, but I guess + Show Spoiler +.
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Just wondering, will he be allowed to enter the next ASL?
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Jesus, Sea, this is so infantile.
He deserves a good old slap rather than a ban. But I guess this is how they educate you in Korea.
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Ahh, yes. The infamous Sea punch to the tit.
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Didn't really seem that he punched here that hard, though violence is always wrong. imo what he does in his free time shouldn't have anything to do with ASL. For all I care he could be a serial killer, I only care about his starcraft play...
However, since he streamed it and afreeca is running the league I do understand the decision to ban him. I really don't get why people feel like sharing everything nowadays. I'd never stream myself drinking with my friends...
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if you can't handle alcohol don't drink sea, just saying.
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Sounds like he got off pretty easy for something so reprehensible.
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On September 08 2017 03:54 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Sounds like he got off pretty easy for something so reprehensible.
He offended a female and maybe gave her a bruise. Obviously something that
reprehensible requires jailtime and maybe severing his hand. 
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God so much righteous indignation in here. I agree with harassment but that is hardly worthy of being called "assault" or "violence". Lots of overreaction and virtue signalling in my opinion.
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Good news for killer!
Bad news for yumbosung fans.
Or rather, ex-fans.
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On September 08 2017 03:16 Lorch wrote:
I really don't get why people feel like sharing everything nowadays. I'd never stream myself drinking with my friends...
Because these people make their living from streaming while you are probably some white-collar worker. Working in the entertainment industry is a different lifestyle.
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On September 08 2017 04:15 Lazare1969 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 03:16 Lorch wrote:
I really don't get why people feel like sharing everything nowadays. I'd never stream myself drinking with my friends... Because these people make their living from streaming while you are probably some white-collar worker. Working in the entertainment industry is a different lifestyle.
Oh believe me I do get that. I just figured they'd be smart enough to not stream themselves taking drugs, that's all.
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On September 08 2017 04:10 Starlightsun wrote:
God so much righteous indignation in here. I agree with harassment but that is hardly worthy of being called "assault" or "violence". Lots of overreaction and virtue signalling in my opinion.
That depends how you define violence - Oxfords gives us this...
violence
NOUN
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mass noun
1Behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt,
damage,
or kill someone or something.
‘violence erupted in protest marches’
‘domestic violence against women’
‘the fear of physical violence’
‘screen violence’
More example sentencesSynonyms
1.1
Law The unlawful exercise of physical force or intimidation by the exhibition of such force.
Example sentences
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Strength of emotion or of a destructive natural force.
In my counseling work I can assure you, that what we saw, that is for most people very much considered and experienced as violent...
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Inexcusable behavior. I don't know how he'll bounce back from this in his Starcraft career. He's not the most composed player either to be able to block the negative backlash.
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why did they pick killer to replace him?
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He lost to sea in the finals of group b @ seoul qualifiers.
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On September 08 2017 04:41 polgas wrote:
Inexcusable behavior. I don't know how he'll bounce back from this in his Starcraft career. He's not the most composed player either to be able to block the negative backlash.
i bet after a few apologizes and some time he'll be back for ASL season 5, no?
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On September 08 2017 05:09 A.Alm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 04:41 polgas wrote:
Inexcusable behavior. I don't know how he'll bounce back from this in his Starcraft career. He's not the most composed player either to be able to block the negative backlash. i bet after a few apologizes and some time he'll be back for ASL season 5, no?
I guess it's easier to just join the army then come back after that.
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On September 08 2017 04:10 Starlightsun wrote:
God so much righteous indignation in here. I agree with harassment but that is hardly worthy of being called "assault" or "violence". Lots of overreaction and virtue signalling in my opinion.
Females getting assaulted is a very sensible topic which is why people often overreact to it.
Dont get me wrong, what he did is definitely not acceptable but to conclude of this that Sea is a terrible human being is ridicolous. He fucked up, he should be able to apologize and move on. Not like the girl got seriously hurt lol.
Pretty sure we've all done something which would fuck up our reputation if it was caught on stream.
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Lmfao Sea what you doing son
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And this is why I dont start my articles until 2 days before! (Jk bigfan please dont fire me)
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lmao clueless foreigners don't realize how good korean females have in korea. They have parking spot dedicated for them... lets not even talk about dating and marriage scene and expectations placed on guys
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wew this is never a good way to start discussion
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On September 08 2017 05:46 Shinokuki wrote:lmao clueless foreigners don't realize how good korean females have in korea. They have parking spot dedicated for them... lets not even talk about dating and marriage scene and expectations placed on guys
Black pill immaright?  Females reeee
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Actually people need to watch uncensored gifs with Sea's face on it. Censored once look too violent while in real ones Sea with barely open eyes just moves his hand towards girl two times, I don't call it real punch, maybe a jolt jiggling around with hand with no intend to hurt. Headings like "Sea assaulted, punched, beat BJ girl" were made by drama seekers so they can get attention. Sigh... Poor Sea.
On September 08 2017 00:06 jinjin5000 wrote:http://www.ygosu.com/community/st/984132There's uncensored gif of incident While blurring on naver click bait article makes it seem a lot worse, it's still bad. Seas seems extremely grabby when drunk and I am surprised he lasted this long since he does tons of drunk stream with girls
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I was always confused when Artosis and Tasteless talked about what a sweet guy Sea was, when all of the Korean community unanimously labeled him an asshole.
Drunken mistake or not, Korea 1 : Tatosis 0.
As a sidenote I really do find it pathetic that people turn stuff like this into some gender equality battle.
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You're quite right, it does look much less severe in those uncensored gifs. In the censored ones that first punch looked very serious, not quite so much in the uncensored version.
Obviously it's still completely out of line and I think the punishment is perfectly justified. Sea acted in a way that reminds me some of the guys who disgusted me at parties in my Highschool/College days.
On September 08 2017 06:18 outscar wrote:Actually people need to watch uncensored gifs with Sea's face on it. Censored once look too violent while in real ones Sea with barely open eyes just moves his hand towards girl two times, I don't call it real punch, maybe a jolt jiggling around with hand with no intend to hurt. Headings like "Sea assaulted, punched, beat BJ girl" were made by drama seekers so they can get attention. Sigh... Poor Sea. Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 00:06 jinjin5000 wrote:http://www.ygosu.com/community/st/984132There's uncensored gif of incident While blurring on naver click bait article makes it seem a lot worse, it's still bad. Seas seems extremely grabby when drunk and I am surprised he lasted this long since he does tons of drunk stream with girls
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Wow thats it.... I was expecting some Ray Rice type shit. A dick move for sure but holly overreaction batman.
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On September 08 2017 07:01 CrayonPopChoa wrote:
Wow thats it.... I was expecting some Ray Rice type shit. A dick move for sure but holly overreaction batman.
what im the most annoyed about is that the playful punching shouldn't be the one people should be mad about
its the overly pushy/flirting behavior before and being a dick in general when hes drunk. But people seem to be focused on the entirely wrong thing.
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On September 08 2017 07:10 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
What?!? Shocking news!
It isnt really shocking at all though.
Sea has been super degen for a while now, was just a matter of time.
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Can admins lock this thread? IDK why people are debating about this
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On September 08 2017 01:32 jinjin5000 wrote:
>When she rejects Sea because he was being annoying and pushy, Sea punches at air to act as the village idiot who is dejected being rejected
>but it his yuh-soon's chest and arm
I'm not sure what source you've got that from...
Looks to me like he's grabbing for his wallet to pay for the girl, but due to him being so drunk his arm flails a little out of control (twice)
+ Show Spoiler [Sea grabbing his wallet] +
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On September 08 2017 07:27 Smorrie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 01:32 jinjin5000 wrote:
>When she rejects Sea because he was being annoying and pushy, Sea punches at air to act as the village idiot who is dejected being rejected
>but it his yuh-soon's chest and arm
I'm not sure what source you've got that from... Looks to me like he's grabbing for his wallet to pay for the girl, but due to him being so drunk his arm flails a little out of control (twice) + Show Spoiler [Sea grabbing his wallet] +
http://www.ygosu.com/community/st/984132
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yeah these uncensored gifs need to be looked at by everybody.
tbh this sort of thing... it's like...
ah there's this attractive girl.
and here's this ugly (sorry sea) vagrant who just plays games all day and talks about his penis.
now he's drinking and hitting a woman!!
it's a great story to publish and make it seem like it was a severe assault rather than just harassment
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On September 08 2017 07:49 CHEONSOYUN wrote:
yeah these uncensored gifs need to be looked at by everybody.
tbh this sort of thing... it's like...
ah there's this attractive girl.
and here's this ugly (sorry sea) vagrant who just plays games all day and talks about his penis.
now he's drinking and hitting a woman!!
it's a great story to publish and make it seem like it was a severe assault rather than just harassment
I mean, Sea did throw up and grab her around
thats unacceptable but people on korea/TL/reddit seem to think its assault after looking at censored post once.
Yuhsoon BJ is on rather friendly term with sea it seems with multiple collab streams so I assume its just the usual sea's degenerate antics
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It'll blow over in a few days. Breaking news... on TMZ lol. People love gossip!
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On September 08 2017 07:58 Smorrie wrote:
It'll blow over in a few days. Breaking news... on TMZ lol. People love gossip!
No, violence against women cannot be acceptable in our community. For a one time event its possible he could apologize and show that he means it by making an effort to positively impact the same kind of issue that he has taken part in (i.e. abusing a female), but being honest here this is a killer. Video games have a short history in general, but a long history of being terrible towards women, and that isn't acceptable - it was't before and it certainly isn't now.
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On September 08 2017 08:12 docvoc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 07:58 Smorrie wrote:
It'll blow over in a few days. Breaking news... on TMZ lol. People love gossip! No, violence against women cannot be acceptable in our community. For a one time event its possible he could apologize and show that he means it by making an effort to positively impact the same kind of issue that he has taken part in (i.e. abusing a female), but being honest here this is a killer. Video games have a short history in general, but a long history of being terrible towards women, and that isn't acceptable - it was't before and it certainly isn't now.
Dude, I might be wrong but aren't the American women pushing for gender equality? You being a sexist here?
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On September 08 2017 08:19 Kaolla wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 08:12 docvoc wrote:On September 08 2017 07:58 Smorrie wrote:
It'll blow over in a few days. Breaking news... on TMZ lol. People love gossip! No, violence against women cannot be acceptable in our community. For a one time event its possible he could apologize and show that he means it by making an effort to positively impact the same kind of issue that he has taken part in (i.e. abusing a female), but being honest here this is a killer. Video games have a short history in general, but a long history of being terrible towards women, and that isn't acceptable - it was't before and it certainly isn't now. Dude, I might be wrong but aren't the American women pushing for gender equality? You being a sexist here?
Are you saying that pushing for equality equals we should be allowed to hit those physically weaker? That's pretty fucking dumb
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Can smb link a video I need context.
This could have gone down in many ways.
Nvm, there's a gif. Can somebody who is fluent in Korean and watched the video, tell us the full context of the ordeal, especially how the girl reacted.
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On September 08 2017 08:42 Little-Chimp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 08:19 Kaolla wrote:On September 08 2017 08:12 docvoc wrote:On September 08 2017 07:58 Smorrie wrote:
It'll blow over in a few days. Breaking news... on TMZ lol. People love gossip! No, violence against women cannot be acceptable in our community. For a one time event its possible he could apologize and show that he means it by making an effort to positively impact the same kind of issue that he has taken part in (i.e. abusing a female), but being honest here this is a killer. Video games have a short history in general, but a long history of being terrible towards women, and that isn't acceptable - it was't before and it certainly isn't now. Dude, I might be wrong but aren't the American women pushing for gender equality? You being a sexist here? Are you saying that pushing for equality equals we should be allowed to hit those physically weaker? That's pretty fucking dumb
Isn't the whole point of gender equality that we are actually equal? I dunno man... It does seem to go that way in the world... And would it be any better to hit a guy for no reason? If you do think so, I pity both you and your brain.
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On September 08 2017 08:12 docvoc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 07:58 Smorrie wrote:
It'll blow over in a few days. Breaking news... on TMZ lol. People love gossip! No, violence against women cannot be acceptable in our community.
There we go, fixed that for you. Let's be consisent and also let's try to steer away from politics and ideology and just be consistent, regardless of sex/gender.
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On September 08 2017 08:42 Little-Chimp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 08:19 Kaolla wrote:On September 08 2017 08:12 docvoc wrote:On September 08 2017 07:58 Smorrie wrote:
It'll blow over in a few days. Breaking news... on TMZ lol. People love gossip! No, violence against women cannot be acceptable in our community. For a one time event its possible he could apologize and show that he means it by making an effort to positively impact the same kind of issue that he has taken part in (i.e. abusing a female), but being honest here this is a killer. Video games have a short history in general, but a long history of being terrible towards women, and that isn't acceptable - it was't before and it certainly isn't now. Dude, I might be wrong but aren't the American women pushing for gender equality? You being a sexist here? Are you saying that pushing for equality equals we should be allowed to hit those physically weaker? That's pretty fucking dumb
Or you know, don't hit people at all 
Can the both of you stop, please.
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On September 08 2017 08:12 docvoc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 07:58 Smorrie wrote:
It'll blow over in a few days. Breaking news... on TMZ lol. People love gossip! No, violence against women cannot be acceptable in our community. For a one time event its possible he could apologize and show that he means it by making an effort to positively impact the same kind of issue that he has taken part in (i.e. abusing a female), but being honest here this is a killer. Video games have a short history in general, but a long history of being terrible towards women, and that isn't acceptable - it was't before and it certainly isn't now.
Is this satire?
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... Fuck sake Sea.. so he's just like a normal Korean male disrespecting females... .
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It's inexcusable and the right action has been taken. But Sea must feel like shit. I bet he wouldn't act like that sober.
That been said been drunk doesn't excuse his actions and he should quite rightly have to live with the consequences. Some people become dick heads when they get drunk. He needs to reconize this and not let it happen.
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On September 08 2017 09:02 T0mken wrote:
... Fuck sake Sea.. so he's just like a normal Korean male disrespecting females... .
yeah if you're from the 70's sure.
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And that's fellas is why you should never do drugs, alcohol included.
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On September 08 2017 09:52 Starecat wrote:
And that's fellas is why you should never do drugs, alcohol included.
Watching Sea reminds me how many stupid things I've done when I got drunk, some of them were almost fatal for me. Time for quit all together boys! No soju! No scotch! No vodka!
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This but because of gender equality reeee its ok reee to hit females, right?! reeee
is missing the point of equality. Sea is physically stronger and you can clearly see that she got scared, its not an OK situation. If she was hitting him the same way, he wouldnt feel threatened.
Is it ok to hit babies and children because of gender equality? No.
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On September 07 2017 21:43 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 21:41 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On September 07 2017 21:38 207aicila wrote:On September 07 2017 21:19 XenOsky- wrote:
Jesus... worst than svarios match fixing scandal imo. How about Luxury? Match-fixer *and* wife abuser. -_- This fucking sucks... On September 07 2017 21:37 papapanda wrote:
What is a BJ? Broadcasting Jockey = Afreeca streamer basically. except that he was cleared from the wife abuser. And OJ Simpson was found not guilty of murder... Are you sure you wanna go there?
hardcore follower of Barry Scheck here... he is a great man.
anyhow,
we have no murder weapon. no coroner/pathologist willing to provide any testimony, no witness. the 2 detectives who led the investigation .. 1 lied on the request to get the initial search warrant. then this same detective took OJs blood with him to the crime scene something he said under oath he had never done in 3000 previous cases involving blood evidence. the other lead investigator was Mark Furman... so um ya. the prosecution managed to find a chemist who claimed it 'might be possible" for OJ's B negative blood to "degrade into" the large amount of AB+ blood on the bloody glove. Neither OJ, nor Goldman, nor Nicole have AB+ blood. my grandmother, who is a serologist, laughs her ass off about the chemist stooge Clark was silly enough to put on the stand. any blood bank tech would laugh at the claim that B blood can turn into AB blood in 2 days.
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anyhow... OJ was not guilty due to lack of evidence... the jury made the right call... and CNN should be ashamed of themselves.
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On September 08 2017 10:00 diggurd wrote:This Show nested quote +but because of gender equality reeee its ok reee to hit females, right?! reeee is missing the point of equality. Sea is physically stronger and you can clearly see that she got scared, its not an OK situation. If she was hitting him the same way, he wouldnt feel threatened. Is it ok to hit babies and children because of gender equality? No.
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The sea news aside... Is "killer" like, SangHo killer?
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On September 08 2017 10:25 mikedebo wrote:
The sea news aside... Is "killer" like, SangHo killer?
I think it is this killer.
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Unacceptable behavior and probably just needs to take steps to start apologizing. Even when alcohol is involved you are still responsible for your inebriated actions.
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On September 08 2017 02:24 jinjin5000 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 02:20 Setsunai wrote:On September 08 2017 01:18 youngjiddle wrote:
lol those "punches" clearly look like he's joking around. bunch of virgins in here don't know what the drunk culture in Korea is like, they get hammered until they can't walk.
What a fucking idiot streaming it lmao.
User was temp banned for this post. As a Korean who is embarrassingly familiar with the drunk culture from first hand experience I can attest you are full of shit and should shut your god damn figurative mouth. I've never once had friends/family/family-friends/total strangers tolorate that kind of bullshit. In the rare occasions it did happen, things got diffused very quickly. Extra mysgoistic or not South Koreans are comically considerate about invading the opposite gender's personal space. That was a real crummy thing Sea did and he should be punished. But I'm also worried for the guy. Dude is clearly drinking too much and he does this often enough to have a reputation for it. I thought it was more of joking around but with sea clearly crossing line during it. Thought it was more in line of harassing than assault really. Sea clearly loses his plot when drinking, especially with his hands being really grabby when drunk. He should have had the suspension long ago before his own success got to his head too much
It was both. It was sexual harassment and it was assault. At least in American law, his actions would constitute assault and battery. I think many of you are envisioning aggravated assault when the word is thrown around. I was a fan of Sea and was cheering for him in ASL as well as when he played for TL but have lost my respect.
Regardless of how severe his actions were, we as a community shouldn't stand for some of these prevailing attitudes towards women, which is my biggest surprise in reading some of your reactions. My girlfriend and quite a few women I know want to be part of gaming and the esports community but often are put off by prevailing attitudes towards girl gamers. I've seen firsthand how chauvinistic some people can act towards them, and it can get pretty disgusting.
I'm not asking for a collective kumbaya moment but we should afford decency toward fellow gamers if we truly want a friendly, inclusive community.
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On September 07 2017 22:16 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 22:05 Kanil wrote:
Not quite how I wanted to see Killer get in the ASL, but I hope he does well. He has a long way to go before he is at his old form. He is even struggling in zvp currently. also killer vs sky right away, time to commit sudoku at this cruel life
You mean seppuku? Or are you going to somehow commit a number-placement puzzle game?
Or maybe this is a reference to something that I'm not aware of.
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On September 08 2017 11:11 reincremate wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 22:16 Harem wrote:On September 07 2017 22:05 Kanil wrote:
Not quite how I wanted to see Killer get in the ASL, but I hope he does well. He has a long way to go before he is at his old form. He is even struggling in zvp currently. also killer vs sky right away, time to commit sudoku at this cruel life You mean seppuku? Or are you going to somehow commit a number-placement puzzle game? Or maybe this is a reference to something that I'm not aware of.
its satire on how so many people use it and misuse it lightly
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Just saw this, really sad all around.
I was recently reading an article about the prevalence of dating abuse in korean (both physical and non physical). While I don't live in Korea or have any personal experience there, living in Japan you definitely see males push their weight around much more than you're comfortable with as a foreigner. Sometimes so much so as to be compelled to intervene.
Well, sadly(not so sadly..) he got the punishment he deserved
also edit to the posters above: I wouldn't call it so much of "satire" as much as it just being a shitty meme that people find hilarious (apparently?)
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On September 08 2017 11:11 reincremate wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 22:16 Harem wrote:On September 07 2017 22:05 Kanil wrote:
Not quite how I wanted to see Killer get in the ASL, but I hope he does well. He has a long way to go before he is at his old form. He is even struggling in zvp currently. also killer vs sky right away, time to commit sudoku at this cruel life You mean seppuku? Or are you going to somehow commit a number-placement puzzle game? Or maybe this is a reference to something that I'm not aware of.
Here you go! :D http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/commit-sudoku
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On September 08 2017 11:11 reincremate wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 22:16 Harem wrote:On September 07 2017 22:05 Kanil wrote:
Not quite how I wanted to see Killer get in the ASL, but I hope he does well. He has a long way to go before he is at his old form. He is even struggling in zvp currently. also killer vs sky right away, time to commit sudoku at this cruel life You mean seppuku? Or are you going to somehow commit a number-placement puzzle game? Or maybe this is a reference to something that I'm not aware of.
whoosh
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Right, that does it. For God's sake you people will do anything to claim the moral high ground by bringing in identity politics. Here's a reminder:
THIS INCIDENT WAS THAT OF A DRUNKEN SEA HARRASSING AND GRABBING A FEMALE BJ.
End of goddamn story. It's not a misogynistic hate crime, nor does it reflect the Korean view of women. Guess what? Sea is an asshole. A drunken Sea is a bigger asshole. That's it. If you can't keep yourself about talking about gender equality, go to the goddamn politics thread and leave the rest of us on the Brood War forums in peace.
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On September 08 2017 11:02 razedbywolves wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 02:24 jinjin5000 wrote:On September 08 2017 02:20 Setsunai wrote:On September 08 2017 01:18 youngjiddle wrote:
lol those "punches" clearly look like he's joking around. bunch of virgins in here don't know what the drunk culture in Korea is like, they get hammered until they can't walk.
What a fucking idiot streaming it lmao.
User was temp banned for this post. As a Korean who is embarrassingly familiar with the drunk culture from first hand experience I can attest you are full of shit and should shut your god damn figurative mouth. I've never once had friends/family/family-friends/total strangers tolorate that kind of bullshit. In the rare occasions it did happen, things got diffused very quickly. Extra mysgoistic or not South Koreans are comically considerate about invading the opposite gender's personal space. That was a real crummy thing Sea did and he should be punished. But I'm also worried for the guy. Dude is clearly drinking too much and he does this often enough to have a reputation for it. I thought it was more of joking around but with sea clearly crossing line during it. Thought it was more in line of harassing than assault really. Sea clearly loses his plot when drinking, especially with his hands being really grabby when drunk. He should have had the suspension long ago before his own success got to his head too much It was both. It was sexual harassment and it was assault. At least in American law, his actions would constitute assault and battery. I think many of you are envisioning aggravated assault when the word is thrown around. I was a fan of Sea and was cheering for him in ASL as well as when he played for TL but have lost my respect. Regardless of how severe his actions were, we as a community shouldn't stand for some of these prevailing attitudes towards women, which is my biggest surprise in reading some of your reactions. My girlfriend and quite a few women I know want to be part of gaming and the esports community but often are put off by prevailing attitudes towards girl gamers. I've seen firsthand how chauvinistic some people can act towards them, and it can get pretty disgusting. I'm not asking for a collective kumbaya moment but we should afford decency toward fellow gamers if we truly want a friendly, inclusive community.
are you kidding? You don't seem to understand my take on the issue here while trying to attack my "chauvinism" . If you look at the uncensored gif the punch wasnt the problem there. Its not even a punch. Its clear as day it was playful.
The problem I have with sea was his drunken attitude, but the media is too busy painting the playful punch as assault to pay attention to it.
Assault and harassment are two different things, and while Sea certainly deserves punishment (and wasn't enough), this incident is clearly harassment case that was twisted into assault case by the media.
I am not saying that Sea shouldn't be punished or what he did was right. I am just saying that the media is portraying the wrong issue, which is my issue here. Him being drunken asshole that throws up and grabs people is the issue, not his playful punching that people interpret as assault.
On September 08 2017 11:37 RWLabs wrote:
Right, that does it. For God's sake you people will do anything to claim the moral high ground by bringing in identity politics. Here's a reminder:
THIS INCIDENT WAS THAT OF A DRUNKEN SEA HARRASSING AND GRABBING A FEMALE BJ.
End of goddamn story. It's not a misogynistic hate crime, nor does it reflect the Korean view of women. Guess what? Sea is an asshole. A drunken Sea is a bigger asshole. That's it. If you can't keep yourself about talking about gender equality, go to the goddamn politics thread and leave the rest of us on the Brood War forums in peace.
/rant
People who just saw the censored gif don't seem to get it. Not very popular opinion around here and reddit to point out that this wasn't assault case, but a rowdy drunk case that had gone too far. In Sea's case, 200th time too far.
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On September 08 2017 11:02 razedbywolves wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 02:24 jinjin5000 wrote:On September 08 2017 02:20 Setsunai wrote:On September 08 2017 01:18 youngjiddle wrote:
lol those "punches" clearly look like he's joking around. bunch of virgins in here don't know what the drunk culture in Korea is like, they get hammered until they can't walk.
What a fucking idiot streaming it lmao.
User was temp banned for this post. As a Korean who is embarrassingly familiar with the drunk culture from first hand experience I can attest you are full of shit and should shut your god damn figurative mouth. I've never once had friends/family/family-friends/total strangers tolorate that kind of bullshit. In the rare occasions it did happen, things got diffused very quickly. Extra mysgoistic or not South Koreans are comically considerate about invading the opposite gender's personal space. That was a real crummy thing Sea did and he should be punished. But I'm also worried for the guy. Dude is clearly drinking too much and he does this often enough to have a reputation for it. I thought it was more of joking around but with sea clearly crossing line during it. Thought it was more in line of harassing than assault really. Sea clearly loses his plot when drinking, especially with his hands being really grabby when drunk. He should have had the suspension long ago before his own success got to his head too much It was both. It was sexual harassment and it was assault. At least in American law, his actions would constitute assault and battery. I think many of you are envisioning aggravated assault when the word is thrown around. I was a fan of Sea and was cheering for him in ASL as well as when he played for TL but have lost my respect. Regardless of how severe his actions were, we as a community shouldn't stand for some of these prevailing attitudes towards women, which is my biggest surprise in reading some of your reactions. My girlfriend and quite a few women I know want to be part of gaming and the esports community but often are put off by prevailing attitudes towards girl gamers. I've seen firsthand how chauvinistic some people can act towards them, and it can get pretty disgusting. I'm not asking for a collective kumbaya moment but we should afford decency toward fellow gamers if we truly want a friendly, inclusive community.
Seriously, battery, sexual harassment and assault??? I truly understand now why Trump is your president, all you US people fucking crazy? Yes, he misbehaved but that's about it. Shit happens. It's not the end of the world and mistakes do happen, it's not like the guy is some crazy psycho that hits women for fun or even hit this girl very hard with the intention to hurt her. Last but not least, it's mainly US women pushing for gender equality and that's not something that should only come with benefits (aka better positions/pay). If you still make a distinction between guys/girls here you are in fact being a sexist according to these ppl. We as a community should stand up for being more reasonable to people (which does not mean what sea did is right, but people like you are at the extreme other end of the story, like wtf you been drinking/smoking/whatever man).
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Censored or uncensored, it appears to me that the Sea's fist hit the lady's elbow or arm in the first punch. You can clearly see her arm move from the hit before she flinched. There wasn't any restraint in that punch too.
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On September 08 2017 11:23 AManHasNoName wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 11:11 reincremate wrote:On September 07 2017 22:16 Harem wrote:On September 07 2017 22:05 Kanil wrote:
Not quite how I wanted to see Killer get in the ASL, but I hope he does well. He has a long way to go before he is at his old form. He is even struggling in zvp currently. also killer vs sky right away, time to commit sudoku at this cruel life You mean seppuku? Or are you going to somehow commit a number-placement puzzle game? Or maybe this is a reference to something that I'm not aware of. Here you go! :D http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/commit-sudoku
Ah, okay. Meme isn't very dank though.
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Wow there are white knight feminazis on TL now. This is about a guy misbehaving under the influence, I'm sure most people here have done some stupid shit when they were drunk...
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On September 08 2017 12:14 reincremate wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 11:23 AManHasNoName wrote:On September 08 2017 11:11 reincremate wrote:On September 07 2017 22:16 Harem wrote:On September 07 2017 22:05 Kanil wrote:
Not quite how I wanted to see Killer get in the ASL, but I hope he does well. He has a long way to go before he is at his old form. He is even struggling in zvp currently. also killer vs sky right away, time to commit sudoku at this cruel life You mean seppuku? Or are you going to somehow commit a number-placement puzzle game? Or maybe this is a reference to something that I'm not aware of. Here you go! :D http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/commit-sudoku Ah, okay. Meme isn't very dank though.
Haha nope, hasn't been for years now.
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Translator Note (T/N): I'm not here to claim any side, I'm just translating.
Hi, I'm Sea.
I'm not good at writing long posts so I'm not sure if it'll turn out well, but I ask you to please read on.
I did not harass nor assult the other BJ during the stream. People are taking the specific moments from the broadcast and making me look like I assulted and/or sexually harassed her but that is not the case.
I am close friends with her (the female BJ), and we streamed many times together. The concept of the broadcast, when we streamed, was that I would try to touch her (T/N: word was "skinship", imo aka flirting, but with slight physical contact. Not to be confused with just touching her overly.), she would punch me in response, and that would continue. That was the concept. The said video that's floating around the internet was part of the concept, and it was nothing sexual. In fact, after the article was posted, my friend (the female BJ) messaged me saying that she was worried for me and asked if there's anything she could do to help out.
For the part where I looked like I was "assulting" her, I hit her in the elbow two times, and she threw ice cold water at my face, everyone laughed, and the atmosphere was pretty good.
I'm not saying that I did nothing wrong. I did drink a lot, and I did many questionable things on stream that made my viewers feel uncomfortable. However, unlike what the article states, I did not sexually harass or physically assult someone.
My reputation has been really tainted due to this incident, and my family is also having a very hard time due to this.
Today, I met a lawyer and decided to sue the journalists who wrote and posted the article online. I am also planning to sue those who are writing very hateful speech against me online, after I gather some evidence.
There's also some misunderstanding on my Afreeca ban:
I was banned 3 days for throwing up on stream, and 3 days for assulting another BJ on stream. Thus, it came out to be a 1 week ban.
What I think is very unfair, however, is the fact that I was disqualified from ASL Season 4 due to the 1 week ban.
I don't think it was right for me to receive the 3 day ban for fooling around with the regular broadcast concept, hitting the female BJ on the elbow, then considering it as an assult against another BJ. (T/N: He's not claiming that he "hit" her in a sense that he assulted her, but rather it was part of him flirting around/fooling around with her)
I can't understand this at all, and I feel its very unfair that I am forced to give up my ASL spot, possibly my last ASL before I turn 30.
Please do not insult me based on the malicious articles (T/N more like witchhunt) and posts that only contain assumptions and no facts.
Last but not least, if you see any comments or posts heavily insulting me online, trying to defame me for this particular incident, please email me at <redacted>. (T/N: due to some... not so great conversations happening on TL and other stuff, I'm removing the email on purpose)
Thank you.
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this is nice example of how you take few clips out of context to make scandal news on purpose. I like to see him fighting back the legal way.
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Didn't look like hard punches. But it still seemed like harassment.
Doing this on stream can be risky stuff.
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Pretty bad scene. Interesting to see Sea try to fight back and we'll see if the woman is willing to sign an affidavit agreeing with his statement of the facts. It seems like pretty genuine refusals and discomfort in the clips, and I don't see where he would be going with that kind of stunt.
I will note that unlike English law, truth is not an absolute defense to libel in Korea (it is not in most Asian countries). People in ugly divorces in particular sometimes manage to secure penalties for "harmful statements" even if what the other person says is factually true.
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If Sea's story is true, I would be scared to corroborate it if I were the girl. Once the angry mob is out on a witch hunt, they have to have somebody's blood. If not Sea's, then they'll probably drag her through the mud as being a faker or something.
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On September 08 2017 14:17 Starlightsun wrote:
If Sea's story is true, I would be scared to corroborate it if I were the girl. Once the angry mob is out on a witch hunt, they have to have somebody's blood. If not Sea's, then they'll probably drag her through the mud as being a faker or something.
Lol so apparently whether Sea's story is true or not the lady is the victim.
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On September 08 2017 14:23 RWLabs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 14:17 Starlightsun wrote:
If Sea's story is true, I would be scared to corroborate it if I were the girl. Once the angry mob is out on a witch hunt, they have to have somebody's blood. If not Sea's, then they'll probably drag her through the mud as being a faker or something. Lol so apparently whether Sea's story is true or not the lady is the victim.
That was not my meaning at all. I said she has reason not to publicly support him, which would make him the victim. If she does then yes she might become an additional victim of people's knee-jerk self righteous anger.
Geez I'm afraid my writing makes no sense, for someone to so badly misconstrue what I was intending to say.
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On September 07 2017 22:48 iFU.pauline wrote:
She was asking for it.
User was temp banned for this post.
If I read the nickname right, this comment is completely in line with this users identification.
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So the media over there are scum too, what a shocker. Hope they reinstate his ASL spot (although I imagine Afreeca will be very reluctant to admit they were wrong.)
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On September 08 2017 14:56 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2017 22:48 iFU.pauline wrote:
She was asking for it.
User was temp banned for this post. If I read the nickname right, this comment is completely in line with this users identification.
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Little boy gets rejected. Little boy throws a tantrum. What a piss ant.
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On September 07 2017 23:42 Sk0 wrote:
I personally find that you made a drama from nothing, this is a very normal reaction from a drunk person, I think that you can see this kind of scene in every bar in every part of the world... Maybe some persons can act normally even if they drunk, others not...
if thats normal for you ... stop drinking
thats disgusting even thinking its normal is disgusting ...
when u drink and u get violent then dont drink until ur drunk ... there is no excuse at ALL
as i said there are normaly 3 persosn when drunk, the funny one, the chatty one and the violent one, and some rare people just fall asleep
if you in the 20-30% who get violent its not the "normal thing" its just a importent thing for u to know that u DONT DRINK so much then, u cant say "jaeh but i was drunk" if u know before that u can get violent drunk ... no excuse
On September 08 2017 00:24 Kaolla wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 00:14 Mohdoo wrote:On September 07 2017 23:42 Sk0 wrote:
I personally find that you made a drama from nothing, this is a very normal reaction from a drunk person, I think that you can see this kind of scene in every bar in every part of the world... Maybe some persons can act normally even if they drunk, others not... No. If this is "normal" for you, you're a piece of shit. Hitting women is disgraceful. Gender inequality ftw. Yea it was a shitty action and im sure he deeply regrets it. I think so many fucked up shit happens when ppl are drunk, I don't think we need to call the guy a piece of shit cause he made one mistake. We'd probably all be pieces of shit going by such reasoning. Mistakes happen, let's hope he will/has learn(ed) from it.
tahts the problem .. people THINK everyone is like that drunk but its only like 20 stupid % ... and they should not drink ...
when i drink the worst thing that can happen is that i talk you to death or make the worst jokes u ever hear and then piss myself laughing
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I think people need to read the statement before we comment any further. I to was quite disappointed when I first saw the gifs and heard the news.
Sea said he and the girl were playing around. Now, I'm not sure if that's true but we should wait for more info now I think.
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On September 08 2017 04:56 raymix1 wrote:
why did they pick killer to replace him?
because he lost the final game to sea, so he is 2nd in line
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On September 08 2017 13:08 CHEONSOYUN wrote:Show nested quote +Translator Note (T/N): I'm not here to claim any side, I'm just translating.
Hi, I'm Sea.
I'm not good at writing long posts so I'm not sure if it'll turn out well, but I ask you to please read on.
I did not harass nor assult the other BJ during the stream. People are taking the specific moments from the broadcast and making me look like I assulted and/or sexually harassed her but that is not the case.
I am close friends with her (the female BJ), and we streamed many times together. The concept of the broadcast, when we streamed, was that I would try to touch her (T/N: word was "skinship", imo aka flirting, but with slight physical contact. Not to be confused with just touching her overly.), she would punch me in response, and that would continue. That was the concept. The said video that's floating around the internet was part of the concept, and it was nothing sexual. In fact, after the article was posted, my friend (the female BJ) messaged me saying that she was worried for me and asked if there's anything she could do to help out.
For the part where I looked like I was "assulting" her, I hit her in the elbow two times, and she threw ice cold water at my face, everyone laughed, and the atmosphere was pretty good.
I'm not saying that I did nothing wrong. I did drink a lot, and I did many questionable things on stream that made my viewers feel uncomfortable. However, unlike what the article states, I did not sexually harass or physically assult someone.
My reputation has been really tainted due to this incident, and my family is also having a very hard time due to this.
Today, I met a lawyer and decided to sue the journalists who wrote and posted the article online. I am also planning to sue those who are writing very hateful speech against me online, after I gather some evidence.
There's also some misunderstanding on my Afreeca ban:
I was banned 3 days for throwing up on stream, and 3 days for assulting another BJ on stream. Thus, it came out to be a 1 week ban.
What I think is very unfair, however, is the fact that I was disqualified from ASL Season 4 due to the 1 week ban.
I don't think it was right for me to receive the 3 day ban for fooling around with the regular broadcast concept, hitting the female BJ on the elbow, then considering it as an assult against another BJ. (T/N: He's not claiming that he "hit" her in a sense that he assulted her, but rather it was part of him flirting around/fooling around with her)
I can't understand this at all, and I feel its very unfair that I am forced to give up my ASL spot, possibly my last ASL before I turn 30.
Please do not insult me based on the malicious articles (T/N more like witchhunt) and posts that only contain assumptions and no facts.
Last but not least, if you see any comments or posts heavily insulting me online, trying to defame me for this particular incident, please email me at <redacted>. (T/N: due to some... not so great conversations happening on TL and other stuff, I'm removing the email on purpose)
Thank you.
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On September 08 2017 15:58 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 13:08 CHEONSOYUN wrote:Translator Note (T/N): I'm not here to claim any side, I'm just translating.
Hi, I'm Sea.
I'm not good at writing long posts so I'm not sure if it'll turn out well, but I ask you to please read on.
I did not harass nor assult the other BJ during the stream. People are taking the specific moments from the broadcast and making me look like I assulted and/or sexually harassed her but that is not the case.
I am close friends with her (the female BJ), and we streamed many times together. The concept of the broadcast, when we streamed, was that I would try to touch her (T/N: word was "skinship", imo aka flirting, but with slight physical contact. Not to be confused with just touching her overly.), she would punch me in response, and that would continue. That was the concept. The said video that's floating around the internet was part of the concept, and it was nothing sexual. In fact, after the article was posted, my friend (the female BJ) messaged me saying that she was worried for me and asked if there's anything she could do to help out.
For the part where I looked like I was "assulting" her, I hit her in the elbow two times, and she threw ice cold water at my face, everyone laughed, and the atmosphere was pretty good.
I'm not saying that I did nothing wrong. I did drink a lot, and I did many questionable things on stream that made my viewers feel uncomfortable. However, unlike what the article states, I did not sexually harass or physically assult someone.
My reputation has been really tainted due to this incident, and my family is also having a very hard time due to this.
Today, I met a lawyer and decided to sue the journalists who wrote and posted the article online. I am also planning to sue those who are writing very hateful speech against me online, after I gather some evidence.
There's also some misunderstanding on my Afreeca ban:
I was banned 3 days for throwing up on stream, and 3 days for assulting another BJ on stream. Thus, it came out to be a 1 week ban.
What I think is very unfair, however, is the fact that I was disqualified from ASL Season 4 due to the 1 week ban.
I don't think it was right for me to receive the 3 day ban for fooling around with the regular broadcast concept, hitting the female BJ on the elbow, then considering it as an assult against another BJ. (T/N: He's not claiming that he "hit" her in a sense that he assulted her, but rather it was part of him flirting around/fooling around with her)
I can't understand this at all, and I feel its very unfair that I am forced to give up my ASL spot, possibly my last ASL before I turn 30.
Please do not insult me based on the malicious articles (T/N more like witchhunt) and posts that only contain assumptions and no facts.
Last but not least, if you see any comments or posts heavily insulting me online, trying to defame me for this particular incident, please email me at <redacted>. (T/N: due to some... not so great conversations happening on TL and other stuff, I'm removing the email on purpose)
Thank you. add seas statement to the op please.
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On September 08 2017 13:08 CHEONSOYUN wrote:Show nested quote +Translator Note (T/N): I'm not here to claim any side, I'm just translating.
Hi, I'm Sea.
I'm not good at writing long posts so I'm not sure if it'll turn out well, but I ask you to please read on.
I did not harass nor assult the other BJ during the stream. People are taking the specific moments from the broadcast and making me look like I assulted and/or sexually harassed her but that is not the case.
I am close friends with her (the female BJ), and we streamed many times together. The concept of the broadcast, when we streamed, was that I would try to touch her (T/N: word was "skinship", imo aka flirting, but with slight physical contact. Not to be confused with just touching her overly.), she would punch me in response, and that would continue. That was the concept. The said video that's floating around the internet was part of the concept, and it was nothing sexual. In fact, after the article was posted, my friend (the female BJ) messaged me saying that she was worried for me and asked if there's anything she could do to help out.
For the part where I looked like I was "assulting" her, I hit her in the elbow two times, and she threw ice cold water at my face, everyone laughed, and the atmosphere was pretty good.
I'm not saying that I did nothing wrong. I did drink a lot, and I did many questionable things on stream that made my viewers feel uncomfortable. However, unlike what the article states, I did not sexually harass or physically assult someone.
My reputation has been really tainted due to this incident, and my family is also having a very hard time due to this.
Today, I met a lawyer and decided to sue the journalists who wrote and posted the article online. I am also planning to sue those who are writing very hateful speech against me online, after I gather some evidence.
There's also some misunderstanding on my Afreeca ban:
I was banned 3 days for throwing up on stream, and 3 days for assulting another BJ on stream. Thus, it came out to be a 1 week ban.
What I think is very unfair, however, is the fact that I was disqualified from ASL Season 4 due to the 1 week ban.
I don't think it was right for me to receive the 3 day ban for fooling around with the regular broadcast concept, hitting the female BJ on the elbow, then considering it as an assult against another BJ. (T/N: He's not claiming that he "hit" her in a sense that he assulted her, but rather it was part of him flirting around/fooling around with her)
I can't understand this at all, and I feel its very unfair that I am forced to give up my ASL spot, possibly my last ASL before I turn 30.
Please do not insult me based on the malicious articles (T/N more like witchhunt) and posts that only contain assumptions and no facts.
Last but not least, if you see any comments or posts heavily insulting me online, trying to defame me for this particular incident, please email me at <redacted>. (T/N: due to some... not so great conversations happening on TL and other stuff, I'm removing the email on purpose)
Thank you.
This needs to be on the front page before people with no knowledge of the situation start assuming things about Sea or the female BJ because if fits their political frame of the incident.
The only fact here is that we don't know what happened. It disgusts me to see (a small monitory) of people here want to pass judgement like they're omniscient gods. Congrats! People like you are why unqualified presidents and politics come into the mainstream.
Can admins lock this thread? IDK why people are debating about this
Little boy gets rejected. Little boy throws a tantrum. What a piss ant.
Yeah because we should crucify people up based on 3 gifs and an article.
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On September 07 2017 22:48 iFU.pauline wrote:
She was asking for it.
User was temp banned for this post.
If Sea's story is correct the injustice is real here
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On September 08 2017 17:02 LyDDa wrote:
Whats BJ btw... ? ^^
Broadcast Jockey
Pretty much means streamer.
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On September 08 2017 17:05 supernovamaniac wrote:Broadcast Jockey Pretty much means streamer.
thx dude!
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So how many times did Sea actually hit her?
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i like how everyone adds a ^^ after asking what BJ means
^^
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I fear that most people who could learn a life lesson from this thread won't.
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TLers such a bunch of The Sun / Bild readers. Jumping on the gossip and turning into braindead mob before even listening to the accused side. Considering it's the BW section and I guess average age is like 25+ here...it's fucking sad.
User was warned for this post
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add this to the OP:
On September 08 2017 13:08 CHEONSOYUN wrote:
Translator Note (T/N): I'm not here to claim any side, I'm just translating.
Hi, I'm Sea.
I'm not good at writing long posts so I'm not sure if it'll turn out well, but I ask you to please read on.
I did not harass nor assult the other BJ during the stream. People are taking the specific moments from the broadcast and making me look like I assulted and/or sexually harassed her but that is not the case.
I am close friends with her (the female BJ), and we streamed many times together. The concept of the broadcast, when we streamed, was that I would try to touch her (T/N: word was "skinship", imo aka flirting, but with slight physical contact. Not to be confused with just touching her overly.), she would punch me in response, and that would continue. That was the concept. The said video that's floating around the internet was part of the concept, and it was nothing sexual. In fact, after the article was posted, my friend (the female BJ) messaged me saying that she was worried for me and asked if there's anything she could do to help out.
For the part where I looked like I was "assulting" her, I hit her in the elbow two times, and she threw ice cold water at my face, everyone laughed, and the atmosphere was pretty good.
I'm not saying that I did nothing wrong. I did drink a lot, and I did many questionable things on stream that made my viewers feel uncomfortable. However, unlike what the article states, I did not sexually harass or physically assult someone.
My reputation has been really tainted due to this incident, and my family is also having a very hard time due to this.
Today, I met a lawyer and decided to sue the journalists who wrote and posted the article online. I am also planning to sue those who are writing very hateful speech against me online, after I gather some evidence.
There's also some misunderstanding on my Afreeca ban:
I was banned 3 days for throwing up on stream, and 3 days for assulting another BJ on stream. Thus, it came out to be a 1 week ban.
What I think is very unfair, however, is the fact that I was disqualified from ASL Season 4 due to the 1 week ban.
I don't think it was right for me to receive the 3 day ban for fooling around with the regular broadcast concept, hitting the female BJ on the elbow, then considering it as an assult against another BJ. (T/N: He's not claiming that he "hit" her in a sense that he assulted her, but rather it was part of him flirting around/fooling around with her)
I can't understand this at all, and I feel its very unfair that I am forced to give up my ASL spot, possibly my last ASL before I turn 30.
Please do not insult me based on the malicious articles (T/N more like witchhunt) and posts that only contain assumptions and no facts.
Last but not least, if you see any comments or posts heavily insulting me online, trying to defame me for this particular incident, please email me at . (T/N: due to some... not so great conversations happening on TL and other stuff, I'm removing the email on purpose)
Thank you.
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On September 08 2017 17:36 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLers such a bunch of The Sun / Bild readers. Jumping on the gossip and turning into braindead mob before even listening to the accused side. Considering it's the BW section and I guess average age is like 25+ here...it's fucking sad.
Well, to be perfectly fair, doing a "drinking stream" for the sole purpose of creating awkward and cringy moments for your audience is questionable, even more so when you consider SEA is 27 years old.
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Well, this is a sad story. Regardless of how bad Seas transgressions were, this being out on the internet only hurts everyone involved.
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On September 08 2017 17:17 TT1 wrote:
i like how everyone adds a ^^ after asking what BJ means
^^
hehe... dont know what you mean
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On September 08 2017 17:36 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLers such a bunch of The Sun / Bild readers. Jumping on the gossip and turning into braindead mob before even listening to the accused side. Considering it's the BW section and I guess average age is like 25+ here...it's fucking sad.
This is a really dumb post because you're just inciting shit and calling people out indirectly in this thread for something that isn't really their fault. You can't really blame people for making a strong assumption here because it isn't just based off a single news source with blurry photos; Sea has been banned temporarily from streaming on Afreeca and removed from ASL4. That is not a decision a company makes lightly. I'm not saying who is right or who is wrong here - but it is just really dumb to call people on this forum a braindead mob when a really impactful decision was made regarding the incident.
I mean, the situation seems to be complicated and misconstrued enough that it is going to go into a legal battle over Sea's reputation. I hope if Sea is innocent, his reputation gets mended, his family finds peace, and Afreeca finds a way to reinstate him or give him reparations. If he is not innocent, then he got what he deserved. This is a sad enough situation as it is, no reason to shit up this thread by pointing fingers at other people or getting on some retarded inbred moral high horse over people who just assume Afreeca has their facts right.
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On September 08 2017 18:14 SCC-Faust wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 17:36 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLers such a bunch of The Sun / Bild readers. Jumping on the gossip and turning into braindead mob before even listening to the accused side. Considering it's the BW section and I guess average age is like 25+ here...it's fucking sad. This is a really dumb post because you're just inciting shit and calling people out indirectly in this thread for something that isn't really their fault. You can't really blame people for making a strong assumption here because it isn't just based off a single news source with blurry photos; Sea has been banned temporarily from streaming on Afreeca and removed from ASL4. That is not a decision a company makes lightly. I'm not saying who is right or who is wrong here - but it is just really dumb to call people on this forum a braindead mob when a really impactful decision was made regarding the incident. I mean, the situation seems to be complicated and misconstrued enough that it is going to go into a legal battle over Sea's reputation. I hope if Sea is innocent, his reputation gets mended, his family finds peace, and Afreeca finds a way to reinstate him or give him reparations. If he is not innocent, then he got what he deserved. This is a sad enough situation as it is, no reason to shit up this thread by pointing fingers at other people or getting on some retarded inbred moral high horse over people who just assume Afreeca has their facts right.
Of course the real assholes are the celebrity gossip "journalists" who have no journalistic integrity and are ready to ruin a persons reputation and career for a little ad revenue. But how often do these celeb gossip stories turn out to be complete bullshit? Very often. Including for example the Luxury story. People are at fault too for still biting for these celeb gossip fakenews and putting the accused under immense stress, instead of waiting at least a little while to hear both sides. Once the reputation or career is damage it's very hard to repair even if the truth is uncovered later. Yeah I am calling people out because this behavior can destroy peoples lives.
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On September 08 2017 19:05 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 18:14 SCC-Faust wrote:On September 08 2017 17:36 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLers such a bunch of The Sun / Bild readers. Jumping on the gossip and turning into braindead mob before even listening to the accused side. Considering it's the BW section and I guess average age is like 25+ here...it's fucking sad. This is a really dumb post because you're just inciting shit and calling people out indirectly in this thread for something that isn't really their fault. You can't really blame people for making a strong assumption here because it isn't just based off a single news source with blurry photos; Sea has been banned temporarily from streaming on Afreeca and removed from ASL4. That is not a decision a company makes lightly. I'm not saying who is right or who is wrong here - but it is just really dumb to call people on this forum a braindead mob when a really impactful decision was made regarding the incident. I mean, the situation seems to be complicated and misconstrued enough that it is going to go into a legal battle over Sea's reputation. I hope if Sea is innocent, his reputation gets mended, his family finds peace, and Afreeca finds a way to reinstate him or give him reparations. If he is not innocent, then he got what he deserved. This is a sad enough situation as it is, no reason to shit up this thread by pointing fingers at other people or getting on some retarded inbred moral high horse over people who just assume Afreeca has their facts right. Of course the real assholes are the celebrity gossip "journalists" who have no journalistic integrity and are ready to ruin a persons reputation and career for a little ad revenue. But how often do these celeb gossip stories turn out to be complete bullshit? Very often. Including for example the Luxury story. People are at fault too for still biting for these celeb gossip fakenews and putting the accused under immense stress, instead of waiting at least a little while to hear both sides. Once the reputation or career is damage it's very hard to repair even if the truth is uncovered later. Yeah I am calling people out because this behavior can destroy peoples lives.
I change my mind, I agree with you.
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I'm suprised that the original blurred gifs are still up on the opening post when the unblurred video has been posted in the thread for a while now. The unblurred gifs certainly paint a different picture.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
How can he sue someone for reporting something that he properly staged to look "funny" when it clearly looks like he sexually assaulting / harassing the other girl.
If this was a "joke" from Sea this was the worst joke of all time and i am glad he is getting hit with the consequences. You don't use streams to promote this kind of "staged" incidents!
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"I am also planning to sue those who are writing very hateful speech against me online, after I gather some evidence."
I was hoping Sea would handle this case like a man as he seemed to be pretty nice guy before. But instead he tries to victimise himself oh dear god. That makes him look worse than it already is.
He fucked up, he should face the public speech about his public behavior that he himself streamed for everyone to see.
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On September 08 2017 19:24 Pandemona wrote:
How can he sue someone for reporting something that he properly staged to look "funny" when it clearly looks like he sexually assaulting / harassing the other girl.
If this was a "joke" from Sea this was the worst joke of all time and i am glad he is getting hit with the consequences. You don't use streams to promote this kind of "staged" incidents!
A proper journalist would try to corroborate the story by asking Sea, the girl or someone else who was present for a comment before publishing the story. This would separate the journalist from the common gossiper.
Sea, Terror, Larva etc...they are entertainers and partially actors. I agree the joke was bad and personally I don't know why people enjoy watching it, but it's not like you can't see similar stuff on scripted reality TV shows all the time.
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I used to like Sea, but definitely acting juvenile here... and not very much of a professional.
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I'd like to hear Ja Rule's thoughts on this tragedy.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51456 Posts
On September 08 2017 19:48 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 19:24 Pandemona wrote:
How can he sue someone for reporting something that he properly staged to look "funny" when it clearly looks like he sexually assaulting / harassing the other girl.
If this was a "joke" from Sea this was the worst joke of all time and i am glad he is getting hit with the consequences. You don't use streams to promote this kind of "staged" incidents! A proper journalist would try to corroborate the story by asking Sea, the girl or someone else who was present for a comment before publishing the story. This would separate the journalist from the common gossiper. Sea, Terror, Larva etc...they are entertainers and partially actors. I agree the joke was bad and personally I don't know why people enjoy watching it, but it's not like you can't see similar stuff on scripted reality TV shows all the time.
Would love to see a reality tv program where the actors are paid to "punch" a girl after looking like they have been rejected from their advances for the whole night?
And all these reality shows that make "jokes" which are in bad taste are hit with bunch of complains and media backlash when it happens. A footballer tweets an opinion > said opinion is very controversial or bad > gets suspended by the governing body from playing.
Sea got suspended from playing and performing because the "joke/stunt" he pulled was of no taste to what anyone should be watching especially the younger audiences.
Also your journalism quote is and what not is running a bit thin for me, journalism is about selling your story, if you think the Bild and The Sun are not going to dress up stories a bit to sell their papers then you are a bit naive ?
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On September 08 2017 17:56 Creager wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 17:36 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLers such a bunch of The Sun / Bild readers. Jumping on the gossip and turning into braindead mob before even listening to the accused side. Considering it's the BW section and I guess average age is like 25+ here...it's fucking sad. Well, to be perfectly fair, doing a "drinking stream" for the sole purpose of creating awkward and cringy moments for your audience is questionable, even more so when you consider SEA is 27 years old.
It's not questionable when streaming is his fucking job.
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So lame. He didn't punch her, there was no force. I do that with my friends all the time. He wanted her, but got rejected. So what? That happens every single weekend for everyone that goes outside instead of sitting on TL.
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On September 08 2017 20:06 Pandemona wrote:
Also your journalism quote is and what not is running a bit thin for me, journalism is about selling your story, if you think the Bild and The Sun are not going to dress up stories a bit to sell their papers then you are a bit naive ? That's not what journalism is about. Yes there are sensationalist stories, but even the Sun has more journalistic integrity than selling a story. They do write the truth and retract comments and do ask for comments and all the other stuff that make journalism journalism, not pure rank amateur trash gossip.
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On September 08 2017 20:06 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 19:48 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:On September 08 2017 19:24 Pandemona wrote:
How can he sue someone for reporting something that he properly staged to look "funny" when it clearly looks like he sexually assaulting / harassing the other girl.
If this was a "joke" from Sea this was the worst joke of all time and i am glad he is getting hit with the consequences. You don't use streams to promote this kind of "staged" incidents! A proper journalist would try to corroborate the story by asking Sea, the girl or someone else who was present for a comment before publishing the story. This would separate the journalist from the common gossiper. Sea, Terror, Larva etc...they are entertainers and partially actors. I agree the joke was bad and personally I don't know why people enjoy watching it, but it's not like you can't see similar stuff on scripted reality TV shows all the time. Would love to see a reality tv program where the actors are paid to "punch" a girl after looking like they have been rejected from their advances for the whole night? And all these reality shows that make "jokes" which are in bad taste are hit with bunch of complains and media backlash when it happens. A footballer tweets an opinion > said opinion is very controversial or bad > gets suspended by the governing body from playing. Sea got suspended from playing and performing because the "joke/stunt" he pulled was of no taste to what anyone should be watching especially the younger audiences. Also your journalism quote is and what not is running a bit thin for me, journalism is about selling your story, if you think the Bild and The Sun are not going to dress up stories a bit to sell their papers then you are a bit naive ?
Jersey shore and the like?
Sea said why he got suspended: 3 days for throwing up on stream, 3 days for hitting the girl. If he broke some Afreeca rules, it's fine if he gets suspended. What's not cool is slandering and accusing him of sexual harassment and assault when the whole thing was staged.
Maybe you are not aware of The Sun / Bilds reputation. They are especially known for their terrible track record with journalistic integrity and unethical behavior. At least in Germany there is a concept of "journalistische Sorgfaltspflicht"( journalistic due diligence) and a press codex to adhere to.
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On September 08 2017 19:40 Piste wrote:
"I am also planning to sue those who are writing very hateful speech against me online, after I gather some evidence."
I was hoping Sea would handle this case like a man as he seemed to be pretty nice guy before. But instead he tries to victimise himself oh dear god. That makes him look worse than it already is.
He fucked up, he should face the public speech about his public behavior that he himself streamed for everyone to see.
defending himself against character assassination is somehow bad?
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On September 08 2017 20:27 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 17:56 Creager wrote:On September 08 2017 17:36 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLers such a bunch of The Sun / Bild readers. Jumping on the gossip and turning into braindead mob before even listening to the accused side. Considering it's the BW section and I guess average age is like 25+ here...it's fucking sad. Well, to be perfectly fair, doing a "drinking stream" for the sole purpose of creating awkward and cringy moments for your audience is questionable, even more so when you consider SEA is 27 years old. It's not questionable when streaming is his fucking job.
So what if streaming "is his fucking job"? Why are you assuming that the only kind of streaming is that cringey "do literally anything for money" bullshit that Sodapoppin and LegendaryLea do on Twitch and Terror is known for on Afreeca? There are so many other things you could be streaming without turning into a complete piece of shit, like, I don't know, gameplay of something maybe? hmmmmm......
I agree 100% with Creager's post in this quote chain.
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On September 08 2017 19:40 Piste wrote:
"I am also planning to sue those who are writing very hateful speech against me online, after I gather some evidence."
I was hoping Sea would handle this case like a man as he seemed to be pretty nice guy before. But instead he tries to victimise himself oh dear god. That makes him look worse than it already is.
He fucked up, he should face the public speech about his public behavior that he himself streamed for everyone to see.
I am sorry to say that but this must be the stupidest post I have ever read here.
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On September 08 2017 15:35 SK.Testie wrote:
Little boy gets rejected. Little boy throws a tantrum. What a piss ant.
Get back to streaming HoN with your Trump memes.
Related to topic. If the female BJ comes out and corroborates Sea, I'd love to see the recantation of all the people shitposting him. Good to see him defending himself legally vs. the hysterical, holier-than-thou, virtue-signaling crowd.
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On September 08 2017 22:06 pNRG wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 15:35 SK.Testie wrote:
Little boy gets rejected. Little boy throws a tantrum. What a piss ant. Get back to streaming HoN with your Trump memes. Related to topic. If the female BJ comes out and corroborates Sea, I'd love to see the recantation of all the people shitposting him. Good to see him defending himself legally vs. the hysterical, holier-than-thou, virtue-signaling crowd.
TIL "hey maybe don't get drunk and punch people" is virtue signalling.
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On September 08 2017 22:06 pNRG wrote:
Related to topic. If the female BJ comes out and corroborates Sea, I'd love to see the recantation of all the people shitposting him.
it's got nothing to do with the incident itself. She might change her mind, they might settle it with money, she might be just unwilling to let it escalate for whatever reasons, etc.
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On September 08 2017 22:15 juvenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 22:06 pNRG wrote:
Related to topic. If the female BJ comes out and corroborates Sea, I'd love to see the recantation of all the people shitposting him.
it's got nothing to do with the incident itself. She might change her mind, they might settle it with money, she might be just unwilling to let it escalate for whatever reasons, etc.
This.
And furthermore it's not like absolving him of this one incident will somehow retroactively undo his underlying problem with drinking and being a jackass.
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On September 08 2017 22:06 pNRG wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 15:35 SK.Testie wrote:
Little boy gets rejected. Little boy throws a tantrum. What a piss ant. Get back to streaming HoN with your Trump memes. Related to topic. If the female BJ comes out and corroborates Sea, I'd love to see the recantation of all the people shitposting him. Good to see him defending himself legally vs. the hysterical, holier-than-thou, virtue-signaling crowd.
Didn't she already say she had forgiven him, thought i read that somewhere and if that would be the case, it does not rly support this new story. But yea, I feel no matter what anyone says now, it's hard to tell what really happened.
Either way, even if it was all staged, it was a pretty poor idea to stream it live and I guess this shows exactly what can happen. Don't see how you can blame any media posting articles about it either, after all this is exactly what he/they wanted them to think?!
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On September 08 2017 20:27 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 17:56 Creager wrote:On September 08 2017 17:36 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLers such a bunch of The Sun / Bild readers. Jumping on the gossip and turning into braindead mob before even listening to the accused side. Considering it's the BW section and I guess average age is like 25+ here...it's fucking sad. Well, to be perfectly fair, doing a "drinking stream" for the sole purpose of creating awkward and cringy moments for your audience is questionable, even more so when you consider SEA is 27 years old. It's not questionable when streaming is his fucking job.
When you look at all those streamers who manage to make a living without getting drunk on camera, it certainly is.
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there are a lot of streamers who do drunk streams. they're usually fun, really funny, bring in lots of donations etc
koreans for some reason like to have 3 or 4 people on camera all the time (aggravating when I just want to watch some BW) and they really like doing IRL shit where they just sit in front of cameras talking or eating. I actually hate the afreeca stream culture, it's really really annoying since I've been wanting to watch players grind games and all they do is yell a lot and rarely actually play BW
solo drunk stream: funny
social drunk stream where you get awkwardly sexually aggressive: not funny
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I think I missed a page. The thing was definately all staged? That's what Sea said, but is that now the excepted version of events?
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Sea is one hell of an actor if all of it was staged, because he looked and acted exactly like a cuntfaced person would have.
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On September 08 2017 22:47 Greg_J wrote:
I think I missed a page. The thing was definately all staged? That's what Sea said, but is that now the excepted version of events?
So far, if I'm understanding things correctly, we have a dramatic article that people reacted strongly to, Seas account and the uncensored gifs.
I'm kinda curious what the actual footage looks and especially sounds like, that'd probably tell you whether Seas account makes more sense than the drama around the initial gifs or not.
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On September 08 2017 23:31 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 22:47 Greg_J wrote:
I think I missed a page. The thing was definately all staged? That's what Sea said, but is that now the excepted version of events? So far, if I'm understanding things correctly, we have a dramatic article that people reacted strongly to, Seas account and the uncensored gifs.
I just noticed that both women are literally wearing panties in a restaurant setting. Im not judging or excusing anything, just finding it interesting.
Why were they wearing panties?
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On September 08 2017 22:38 mOnion wrote:
there are a lot of streamers who do drunk streams. they're usually fun, really funny, bring in lots of donations etc
koreans for some reason like to have 3 or 4 people on camera all the time (aggravating when I just want to watch some BW) and they really like doing IRL shit where they just sit in front of cameras talking or eating. I actually hate the afreeca stream culture, it's really really annoying since I've been wanting to watch players grind games and all they do is yell a lot and rarely actually play BW
solo drunk stream: funny
social drunk stream where you get awkwardly sexually aggressive: not funny
For bw, I usually watch last or effort. Last in particular doesnt seem to do anything on stream other than playing bw (and he streams on yt)
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yeah i just need a protoss grinder
best usually is pretty good, Bisu Stork and Shuttle are the big offenders, but they're always the highest view counts
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On September 08 2017 20:52 yB.TeH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 19:40 Piste wrote:
"I am also planning to sue those who are writing very hateful speech against me online, after I gather some evidence."
I was hoping Sea would handle this case like a man as he seemed to be pretty nice guy before. But instead he tries to victimise himself oh dear god. That makes him look worse than it already is.
He fucked up, he should face the public speech about his public behavior that he himself streamed for everyone to see.
defending himself against character assassination is somehow bad?
He should just man up and say something like "No i just cannot handle my alcohol and it will not happen again"
Instead he's acting like a child
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I think Sea's reaction was delayed too much for the public relationship. He should just respond immediately after the news release, post a video response with the female streamer he "harassed" to clarify the situation. So what's done is done, ASL can't undo their decision. So I would say that Sea should focus on communication strategy in the future of his streaming career.
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"I am also planning to sue those who are writing very hateful speech against me online, after I gather some evidence."
I was hoping Sea would handle this case like a man as he seemed to be pretty nice guy before. But instead he tries to victimise himself oh dear god. That makes him look worse than it already is.
He fucked up, he should face the public speech about his public behavior that he himself streamed for everyone to see.
Because handling this case like a man means being rolled over by the court of public opinion. What a world it would be if everyone shared this opinion.
Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 20:52 yB.TeH wrote:On September 08 2017 19:40 Piste wrote:
"I am also planning to sue those who are writing very hateful speech against me online, after I gather some evidence."
I was hoping Sea would handle this case like a man as he seemed to be pretty nice guy before. But instead he tries to victimise himself oh dear god. That makes him look worse than it already is.
He fucked up, he should face the public speech about his public behavior that he himself streamed for everyone to see.
defending himself against character assassination is somehow bad? He should just man up and say something like "No i just cannot handle my alcohol and it will not happen again" Instead he's acting like a child
Didn't he literally say that?
I'm not saying that I did nothing wrong. I did drink a lot, and I did many questionable things on stream that made my viewers feel uncomfortable. However, unlike what the article states, I did not sexually harass or physically assult someone.
It's just when people are accusing you of much serious charges like sexual assault you tend to defend yourself.
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On September 08 2017 23:43 Jae Zedong wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 23:31 r.Evo wrote:On September 08 2017 22:47 Greg_J wrote:
I think I missed a page. The thing was definately all staged? That's what Sea said, but is that now the excepted version of events? So far, if I'm understanding things correctly, we have a dramatic article that people reacted strongly to, Seas account and the uncensored gifs. I just noticed that both women are literally wearing panties in a restaurant setting. Im not judging or excusing anything, just finding it interesting. Why were they wearing panties? Looks like really short shorts.
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don't know what really happened, but aside from all things, it's very sad not to see him in the ASL 4. i'm always cheering for that guy
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Maybe he should ask Terror for advice since he's been banned multiple times from Afreeca.
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holly fuck...really Sea? :/
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I read his statement and I'm mostly confused. Him harassing her and her rejecting him was their concept for the broadcast? Really? This borders Japanese gameshow levels of detachment from reality. He's putting so much weight on his insider knowledge of the situation rather than the reality he's presenting to his viewers.
If you stage yourself to look like a scumbag does it really make sense to be offended when people see a scumbag?
Can we just take a second here to find the logic in that, Seapologist? Even in the case that he DID stage this whole thing and everyone was in on it. Is it still not morally reprehensible to make the 99,9% that are not in on it believe that it is real? Or is it ok to make viewers believe anything you want them to believe and never be responsible for the consequences?
The argument that BJs aren't responsible for the reality they present is ridiculous. The argument that everyone should have telepathically inferred that the scene was staged is ridiculous. Sea is possibly not guilty of assault and sexual harassment but he's definitely guilty of making people think he is. Acting like a victim when people go off the information you give them yourself is ridiculous and he would've done his image a big favor by admitting he was stupid and drunk and responsible for the following shitshow despite it all alledgedly being a hoax.
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On September 08 2017 21:57 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 20:27 Charoisaur wrote:On September 08 2017 17:56 Creager wrote:On September 08 2017 17:36 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLers such a bunch of The Sun / Bild readers. Jumping on the gossip and turning into braindead mob before even listening to the accused side. Considering it's the BW section and I guess average age is like 25+ here...it's fucking sad. Well, to be perfectly fair, doing a "drinking stream" for the sole purpose of creating awkward and cringy moments for your audience is questionable, even more so when you consider SEA is 27 years old. It's not questionable when streaming is his fucking job. So what if streaming "is his fucking job"? Why are you assuming that the only kind of streaming is that cringey "do literally anything for money" bullshit that Sodapoppin and LegendaryLea do on Twitch and Terror is known for on Afreeca? There are so many other things you could be streaming without turning into a complete piece of shit, like, I don't know, gameplay of something maybe? hmmmmm...... I agree 100% with Creager's post in this quote chain.
This kind of streaming draws attention which brings money. It would be stupid of him not to do it.
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Meh. The uncensored clips really put things in a different light. Those "punches" are playful, flirty love taps.
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On September 09 2017 02:31 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 21:57 207aicila wrote:On September 08 2017 20:27 Charoisaur wrote:On September 08 2017 17:56 Creager wrote:On September 08 2017 17:36 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLers such a bunch of The Sun / Bild readers. Jumping on the gossip and turning into braindead mob before even listening to the accused side. Considering it's the BW section and I guess average age is like 25+ here...it's fucking sad. Well, to be perfectly fair, doing a "drinking stream" for the sole purpose of creating awkward and cringy moments for your audience is questionable, even more so when you consider SEA is 27 years old. It's not questionable when streaming is his fucking job. So what if streaming "is his fucking job"? Why are you assuming that the only kind of streaming is that cringey "do literally anything for money" bullshit that Sodapoppin and LegendaryLea do on Twitch and Terror is known for on Afreeca? There are so many other things you could be streaming without turning into a complete piece of shit, like, I don't know, gameplay of something maybe? hmmmmm...... I agree 100% with Creager's post in this quote chain. This kind of streaming draws attention which brings money. It would be stupid of him not to do it.
Oh okay acting like an idiot brings money so I guess it's perfectly okay and we should defend him for it as a result.
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On September 09 2017 02:26 Saechiis wrote:
I read his statement and I'm mostly confused. Him harassing her and her rejecting him was their concept for the broadcast? Really? That seems like Japanese gameshow levels of detachment from reality. He's putting so much weight on his insider knowledge of the situation rather than the reality he's presenting to his viewers.
If you stage yourself to look like a scumbag does it really make sense to be offended when people see a scumbag?
Can we just take a second here to find the logic in that, Seapologist? Even in the case that he DID stage this whole thing and everyone was in on it. Is it still not morally reprehensible to make the 99,9% that are not in on it believe that it is real? Or is it ok to make viewers believe anything you want and you're never responsible for the consequences?
I think if media portays the action from selected pool of images that they censor purposely to make it seem lot worse than it was, he has a lot of ground.
but it doesnt help that his reputation as streamer isn't great as he has many drunk streams and wild streams.
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On September 09 2017 02:48 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2017 02:31 Charoisaur wrote:On September 08 2017 21:57 207aicila wrote:On September 08 2017 20:27 Charoisaur wrote:On September 08 2017 17:56 Creager wrote:On September 08 2017 17:36 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLers such a bunch of The Sun / Bild readers. Jumping on the gossip and turning into braindead mob before even listening to the accused side. Considering it's the BW section and I guess average age is like 25+ here...it's fucking sad. Well, to be perfectly fair, doing a "drinking stream" for the sole purpose of creating awkward and cringy moments for your audience is questionable, even more so when you consider SEA is 27 years old. It's not questionable when streaming is his fucking job. So what if streaming "is his fucking job"? Why are you assuming that the only kind of streaming is that cringey "do literally anything for money" bullshit that Sodapoppin and LegendaryLea do on Twitch and Terror is known for on Afreeca? There are so many other things you could be streaming without turning into a complete piece of shit, like, I don't know, gameplay of something maybe? hmmmmm...... I agree 100% with Creager's post in this quote chain. This kind of streaming draws attention which brings money. It would be stupid of him not to do it. Oh okay acting like an idiot brings money so I guess it's perfectly okay and we should defend him for it as a result.
Andy Kaufman/Tony Clifton is a hero amongst the comic community for pouring broken egg shells and pouring egg batter all over Dinah Shore on live national US TV and then claiming it wasn't him. It may well have been his best friend Bob Zmuda... the world will never know. Dinah Shore may have been in on it the whole time....that didn't stop big tough guys like Merv Griffin though. Merv "defended her honour"... LOLz.
for all we know this guy is a 21st century andy kaufman just beginning his career... and with every post you're playing the Merv Griffin role in this theatre of the absurd.
u're getting trolled bro.
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On September 09 2017 02:26 Saechiis wrote:
I read his statement and I'm mostly confused. Him harassing her and her rejecting him was their concept for the broadcast? Really? That seems like Japanese gameshow levels of detachment from reality. He's putting so much weight on his insider knowledge of the situation rather than the reality he's presenting to his viewers.
If you stage yourself to look like a scumbag does it really make sense to be offended when people see a scumbag?
Can we just take a second here to find the logic in that, Seapologist? Even in the case that he DID stage this whole thing and everyone was in on it. Is it still not morally reprehensible to make the 99,9% that are not in on it believe that it is real? Or is it ok to make viewers believe anything you want them to believe and at the same time not be responsible for any of the consequences?
The argument that BJs aren't responsible for the reality they present is ridiculous. The argument that everyone should have telepathically inferred that the scene was staged is ridiculous. The argument that Sea didn't bring this upon himself is ridiculous. And even though Sea is possibly not guilty of assault and sexual harassment it's ridiculous for him to point fingers in a mirage he created himself.
- I agree its an odd concept, but this is korea. Different culture/expectations of whats interesting
- (responding to bold here) Of course you should be able to create art and expect people to understand intent, and reality. People shouldnt fly off the handle, least of all news agencies and gaming institutions.
They are responsible for the reality they present, present being the key word. They are not responsible for somebodys misunderstanding of whats real and isnt, thats the responsibility of those consuming the media, and obviously once it becomes news worthy, journalists, tournament organizers etc. On September 09 2017 02:48 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2017 02:31 Charoisaur wrote:On September 08 2017 21:57 207aicila wrote:On September 08 2017 20:27 Charoisaur wrote:On September 08 2017 17:56 Creager wrote:On September 08 2017 17:36 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLers such a bunch of The Sun / Bild readers. Jumping on the gossip and turning into braindead mob before even listening to the accused side. Considering it's the BW section and I guess average age is like 25+ here...it's fucking sad. Well, to be perfectly fair, doing a "drinking stream" for the sole purpose of creating awkward and cringy moments for your audience is questionable, even more so when you consider SEA is 27 years old. It's not questionable when streaming is his fucking job. So what if streaming "is his fucking job"? Why are you assuming that the only kind of streaming is that cringey "do literally anything for money" bullshit that Sodapoppin and LegendaryLea do on Twitch and Terror is known for on Afreeca? There are so many other things you could be streaming without turning into a complete piece of shit, like, I don't know, gameplay of something maybe? hmmmmm...... I agree 100% with Creager's post in this quote chain. This kind of streaming draws attention which brings money. It would be stupid of him not to do it. Oh okay acting like an idiot brings money so I guess it's perfectly okay and we should defend him for it as a result. I'm sorry, but what about this wasnt perfectly okay? Explain to me seas moral failing.
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imo after hearing sea's explanation:
he's really dumb and he easily confused and upset his viewers for no reason.
but he didn't deserve to have some bored journalists create a sensationalist story out of dumb drunken antics with him and his friends.
the ban from streaming seems reasonable. the expulsion from this ASL...
the media's assassination of his character is awful.
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Personally, very surprised to see this reaction from people, based on what is shown/given information.
Seen far WORSE things, and judging only on basis where i live, or grow up, i just couldnt see anything "criminal" about this, well, even tho there IS scenarios where this might be inturpreted as awful behavior etc.
Well, shouldnt live stream being drunk anyway i guess, so in a sense of Afreeca "policy", ban is deserve i guess, sort of a mistake, from Sea.
(edit, i mean from pictures/gifs, cant even tell if punch is "hard" or "fake" or what)
(and for people who say that they would punch someone in a face, based on those GIFs, and kind of against "assault" and "violence", shame on you, lol)
(i mean, its not good, but its not THAT bad, as people suggest, like he is criminal or something)
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Is he disqualified from ASL because his qualifier matches falls within the 1-week ban period? Or is it a separate penalty altogether?
If it's the former, the timing is rather unfortunate and he could've been given an exemption just for the qualifier (rescheduling his group would be accommodating him too much). If it's the latter (which is likelier), then it seems rather odd that the ban period wasn't longer (to be consistent with the gravity of the direct ASL DQ).
I suppose ASL had to make a snap decision, especially since his qualifier match happens to be the first group. It's a tough spot to be in, either way they will be criticised whether they let him play or DQ him. It's a PR nightmare.
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On September 09 2017 03:18 Dazed. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2017 02:26 Saechiis wrote:
I read his statement and I'm mostly confused. Him harassing her and her rejecting him was their concept for the broadcast? Really? That seems like Japanese gameshow levels of detachment from reality. He's putting so much weight on his insider knowledge of the situation rather than the reality he's presenting to his viewers.
If you stage yourself to look like a scumbag does it really make sense to be offended when people see a scumbag?- I agree its an odd concept, but this is korea. Different culture/expectations of whats interesting
or the whole thing is complete BS and "being offended" is all part of the charade and the deeper you analyze this guy the more his "fame and notoriety" go up.
what's his name again? ya, that guy... good ole whatshisface
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On September 09 2017 02:48 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2017 02:31 Charoisaur wrote:On September 08 2017 21:57 207aicila wrote:On September 08 2017 20:27 Charoisaur wrote:On September 08 2017 17:56 Creager wrote:On September 08 2017 17:36 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLers such a bunch of The Sun / Bild readers. Jumping on the gossip and turning into braindead mob before even listening to the accused side. Considering it's the BW section and I guess average age is like 25+ here...it's fucking sad. Well, to be perfectly fair, doing a "drinking stream" for the sole purpose of creating awkward and cringy moments for your audience is questionable, even more so when you consider SEA is 27 years old. It's not questionable when streaming is his fucking job. So what if streaming "is his fucking job"? Why are you assuming that the only kind of streaming is that cringey "do literally anything for money" bullshit that Sodapoppin and LegendaryLea do on Twitch and Terror is known for on Afreeca? There are so many other things you could be streaming without turning into a complete piece of shit, like, I don't know, gameplay of something maybe? hmmmmm...... I agree 100% with Creager's post in this quote chain. This kind of streaming draws attention which brings money. It would be stupid of him not to do it. Oh okay acting like an idiot brings money so I guess it's perfectly okay and we should defend him for it as a result.
I don't think acting like an idiot is ok but it's completely understandable why he does a drunk fun/crazy stream.
He obviously crossed the line here though (Even if it was staged, he shouldn't show such behaviour to his viewers).
Still the media outrage about this is ridicolous and completely out of line.
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On September 09 2017 02:26 Saechiis wrote:
I read his statement and I'm mostly confused. Him harassing her and her rejecting him was their concept for the broadcast? Really? This borders Japanese gameshow levels of detachment from reality. He's putting so much weight on his insider knowledge of the situation rather than the reality he's presenting to his viewers.
If you stage yourself to look like a scumbag does it really make sense to be offended when people see a scumbag?
Can we just take a second here to find the logic in that, Seapologist? Even in the case that he DID stage this whole thing and everyone was in on it. Is it still not morally reprehensible to make the 99,9% that are not in on it believe that it is real? Or is it ok to make viewers believe anything you want them to believe and never be responsible for the consequences?
The argument that BJs aren't responsible for the reality they present is ridiculous. The argument that everyone should have telepathically inferred that the scene was staged is ridiculous. Sea is possibly not guilty of assault and sexual harassment but he's definitely guilty of making people think he is. Acting like a victim when people go off the information you give them yourself is ridiculous and he would've done his image a big favor by admitting he was stupid and drunk and responsible for the following shitshow despite it all alledgedly being a hoax.
what's happening is he comes public with an explanation if it goes poorly (which it did) but lets it slide if it goes smoothly.
as for journalists writing articles about it, they're within the same line of thinking as Sea when he does something as a publicity stunt for more viewers and more money. media outrages are exactly a form of making money for these websites.
it may not have been a poor concept, but he was a bad actor and he won't try it again for a very long time. that's what i take away from it as a fan.
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On September 09 2017 03:18 Dazed. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2017 02:26 Saechiis wrote:
I read his statement and I'm mostly confused. Him harassing her and her rejecting him was their concept for the broadcast? Really? That seems like Japanese gameshow levels of detachment from reality. He's putting so much weight on his insider knowledge of the situation rather than the reality he's presenting to his viewers.
If you stage yourself to look like a scumbag does it really make sense to be offended when people see a scumbag?
Can we just take a second here to find the logic in that, Seapologist? Even in the case that he DID stage this whole thing and everyone was in on it. Is it still not morally reprehensible to make the 99,9% that are not in on it believe that it is real? Or is it ok to make viewers believe anything you want them to believe and at the same time not be responsible for any of the consequences?
The argument that BJs aren't responsible for the reality they present is ridiculous. The argument that everyone should have telepathically inferred that the scene was staged is ridiculous. The argument that Sea didn't bring this upon himself is ridiculous. And even though Sea is possibly not guilty of assault and sexual harassment it's ridiculous for him to point fingers in a mirage he created himself. - I agree its an odd concept, but this is korea. Different culture/expectations of whats interesting - (responding to bold here) Of course you should be able to create art and expect people to understand intent, and reality. People shouldnt fly off the handle, least of all news agencies and gaming institutions. They are responsible for the reality they present, present being the key word. They are not responsible for somebodys misunderstanding of whats real and isnt, thats the responsibility of those consuming the media, and obviously once it becomes news worthy, journalists, tournament organizers etc. Show nested quote +On September 09 2017 02:48 207aicila wrote:On September 09 2017 02:31 Charoisaur wrote:On September 08 2017 21:57 207aicila wrote:On September 08 2017 20:27 Charoisaur wrote:On September 08 2017 17:56 Creager wrote:On September 08 2017 17:36 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
TLers such a bunch of The Sun / Bild readers. Jumping on the gossip and turning into braindead mob before even listening to the accused side. Considering it's the BW section and I guess average age is like 25+ here...it's fucking sad. Well, to be perfectly fair, doing a "drinking stream" for the sole purpose of creating awkward and cringy moments for your audience is questionable, even more so when you consider SEA is 27 years old. It's not questionable when streaming is his fucking job. So what if streaming "is his fucking job"? Why are you assuming that the only kind of streaming is that cringey "do literally anything for money" bullshit that Sodapoppin and LegendaryLea do on Twitch and Terror is known for on Afreeca? There are so many other things you could be streaming without turning into a complete piece of shit, like, I don't know, gameplay of something maybe? hmmmmm...... I agree 100% with Creager's post in this quote chain. This kind of streaming draws attention which brings money. It would be stupid of him not to do it. Oh okay acting like an idiot brings money so I guess it's perfectly okay and we should defend him for it as a result. I'm sorry, but what about this wasnt perfectly okay? Explain to me seas moral failing.
As far as I know this outrage originates from Korea so while streams in Korea may be more "exotic" even to them it clearly hit a wrong nerve.
Calling a drunk stream art is pushing the boundaries of intellectual dishonesty. It's also intellectually dishonest to defend staged deception as a legitimate streaming tactic yet criticize the media's misportrayal of said deception as an unlegitimate tactic. Expecting people to not assume the obvious is, again, intellectually dishonest. If you hear hoofstomps you think horses, not zebras.
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On September 09 2017 03:59 nanaoei wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2017 02:26 Saechiis wrote:
I read his statement and I'm mostly confused. Him harassing her and her rejecting him was their concept for the broadcast? Really? This borders Japanese gameshow levels of detachment from reality. He's putting so much weight on his insider knowledge of the situation rather than the reality he's presenting to his viewers.
If you stage yourself to look like a scumbag does it really make sense to be offended when people see a scumbag?
Can we just take a second here to find the logic in that, Seapologist? Even in the case that he DID stage this whole thing and everyone was in on it. Is it still not morally reprehensible to make the 99,9% that are not in on it believe that it is real? Or is it ok to make viewers believe anything you want them to believe and never be responsible for the consequences?
The argument that BJs aren't responsible for the reality they present is ridiculous. The argument that everyone should have telepathically inferred that the scene was staged is ridiculous. Sea is possibly not guilty of assault and sexual harassment but he's definitely guilty of making people think he is. Acting like a victim when people go off the information you give them yourself is ridiculous and he would've done his image a big favor by admitting he was stupid and drunk and responsible for the following shitshow despite it all alledgedly being a hoax. what's happening is he comes public with an explanation if it goes poorly (which it did) but lets it slide if it goes smoothly. as for journalists writing articles about it, they're within the same line of thinking as Sea when he does something as a publicity stunt for more viewers and more money. media outrages are exactly a form of making money for these websites. it may not have been a poor concept, but he was a bad actor and he won't try it again for a very long time. that's what i take away from it as a fan.
The journalists are damaging another person, Sea is not.
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On September 09 2017 04:05 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2017 03:59 nanaoei wrote:On September 09 2017 02:26 Saechiis wrote:
I read his statement and I'm mostly confused. Him harassing her and her rejecting him was their concept for the broadcast? Really? This borders Japanese gameshow levels of detachment from reality. He's putting so much weight on his insider knowledge of the situation rather than the reality he's presenting to his viewers.
If you stage yourself to look like a scumbag does it really make sense to be offended when people see a scumbag?
Can we just take a second here to find the logic in that, Seapologist? Even in the case that he DID stage this whole thing and everyone was in on it. Is it still not morally reprehensible to make the 99,9% that are not in on it believe that it is real? Or is it ok to make viewers believe anything you want them to believe and never be responsible for the consequences?
The argument that BJs aren't responsible for the reality they present is ridiculous. The argument that everyone should have telepathically inferred that the scene was staged is ridiculous. Sea is possibly not guilty of assault and sexual harassment but he's definitely guilty of making people think he is. Acting like a victim when people go off the information you give them yourself is ridiculous and he would've done his image a big favor by admitting he was stupid and drunk and responsible for the following shitshow despite it all alledgedly being a hoax. what's happening is he comes public with an explanation if it goes poorly (which it did) but lets it slide if it goes smoothly. as for journalists writing articles about it, they're within the same line of thinking as Sea when he does something as a publicity stunt for more viewers and more money. media outrages are exactly a form of making money for these websites. it may not have been a poor concept, but he was a bad actor and he won't try it again for a very long time. that's what i take away from it as a fan. The journalists are damaging another person, Sea is not.
For what, reporting what they see? If it truly happened as Sea said, it would be a major fuckup by him, not the press. What the fuck did Sea expect (if the story is true), that it'd just be nice to get some new viewers? It'd be pretty fucked up and I personally don't believe his version of the story (even if the girl would corroborate it now). I also don't think it's nearly as bad as the battery and sexual assault accusations and the whole hang him mentality going around here however . Am repeating myself here though, so should stop replying to this topic.
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On September 09 2017 04:30 Kaolla wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2017 04:05 Charoisaur wrote:On September 09 2017 03:59 nanaoei wrote:On September 09 2017 02:26 Saechiis wrote:
I read his statement and I'm mostly confused. Him harassing her and her rejecting him was their concept for the broadcast? Really? This borders Japanese gameshow levels of detachment from reality. He's putting so much weight on his insider knowledge of the situation rather than the reality he's presenting to his viewers.
If you stage yourself to look like a scumbag does it really make sense to be offended when people see a scumbag?
Can we just take a second here to find the logic in that, Seapologist? Even in the case that he DID stage this whole thing and everyone was in on it. Is it still not morally reprehensible to make the 99,9% that are not in on it believe that it is real? Or is it ok to make viewers believe anything you want them to believe and never be responsible for the consequences?
The argument that BJs aren't responsible for the reality they present is ridiculous. The argument that everyone should have telepathically inferred that the scene was staged is ridiculous. Sea is possibly not guilty of assault and sexual harassment but he's definitely guilty of making people think he is. Acting like a victim when people go off the information you give them yourself is ridiculous and he would've done his image a big favor by admitting he was stupid and drunk and responsible for the following shitshow despite it all alledgedly being a hoax. what's happening is he comes public with an explanation if it goes poorly (which it did) but lets it slide if it goes smoothly. as for journalists writing articles about it, they're within the same line of thinking as Sea when he does something as a publicity stunt for more viewers and more money. media outrages are exactly a form of making money for these websites. it may not have been a poor concept, but he was a bad actor and he won't try it again for a very long time. that's what i take away from it as a fan. The journalists are damaging another person, Sea is not. For what, reporting what they see? If it truly happened as Sea said, it would be a major fuckup by him, not the press. What the fuck did Sea expect (if the story is true), that it'd just be nice to get some new viewers? It'd be pretty fucked up and I personally don't believe his version of the story (even if the girl would corroborate it now). I also don't think it's nearly as bad as the battery and sexual assault accusations and the whole hang him mentality going around here however . Am repeating myself here though, so should stop replying to this topic.
For taking 3 out-of-context gifs to tell a narrative that they think will gather a lot of interest and ruining Sea's reputation in the process.
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On September 09 2017 04:05 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2017 03:59 nanaoei wrote:On September 09 2017 02:26 Saechiis wrote:
I read his statement and I'm mostly confused. Him harassing her and her rejecting him was their concept for the broadcast? Really? This borders Japanese gameshow levels of detachment from reality. He's putting so much weight on his insider knowledge of the situation rather than the reality he's presenting to his viewers.
If you stage yourself to look like a scumbag does it really make sense to be offended when people see a scumbag?
Can we just take a second here to find the logic in that, Seapologist? Even in the case that he DID stage this whole thing and everyone was in on it. Is it still not morally reprehensible to make the 99,9% that are not in on it believe that it is real? Or is it ok to make viewers believe anything you want them to believe and never be responsible for the consequences?
The argument that BJs aren't responsible for the reality they present is ridiculous. The argument that everyone should have telepathically inferred that the scene was staged is ridiculous. Sea is possibly not guilty of assault and sexual harassment but he's definitely guilty of making people think he is. Acting like a victim when people go off the information you give them yourself is ridiculous and he would've done his image a big favor by admitting he was stupid and drunk and responsible for the following shitshow despite it all alledgedly being a hoax. what's happening is he comes public with an explanation if it goes poorly (which it did) but lets it slide if it goes smoothly. as for journalists writing articles about it, they're within the same line of thinking as Sea when he does something as a publicity stunt for more viewers and more money. media outrages are exactly a form of making money for these websites. it may not have been a poor concept, but he was a bad actor and he won't try it again for a very long time. that's what i take away from it as a fan. The journalists are damaging another person, Sea is not.
Sea damaged himself with that.
If anyone thinks he didnt do anything wrong, our cultures are really different. Maybe it's not that bad but he deserves the ban.
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On September 09 2017 04:34 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2017 04:30 Kaolla wrote:On September 09 2017 04:05 Charoisaur wrote:On September 09 2017 03:59 nanaoei wrote:On September 09 2017 02:26 Saechiis wrote:
I read his statement and I'm mostly confused. Him harassing her and her rejecting him was their concept for the broadcast? Really? This borders Japanese gameshow levels of detachment from reality. He's putting so much weight on his insider knowledge of the situation rather than the reality he's presenting to his viewers.
If you stage yourself to look like a scumbag does it really make sense to be offended when people see a scumbag?
Can we just take a second here to find the logic in that, Seapologist? Even in the case that he DID stage this whole thing and everyone was in on it. Is it still not morally reprehensible to make the 99,9% that are not in on it believe that it is real? Or is it ok to make viewers believe anything you want them to believe and never be responsible for the consequences?
The argument that BJs aren't responsible for the reality they present is ridiculous. The argument that everyone should have telepathically inferred that the scene was staged is ridiculous. Sea is possibly not guilty of assault and sexual harassment but he's definitely guilty of making people think he is. Acting like a victim when people go off the information you give them yourself is ridiculous and he would've done his image a big favor by admitting he was stupid and drunk and responsible for the following shitshow despite it all alledgedly being a hoax. what's happening is he comes public with an explanation if it goes poorly (which it did) but lets it slide if it goes smoothly. as for journalists writing articles about it, they're within the same line of thinking as Sea when he does something as a publicity stunt for more viewers and more money. media outrages are exactly a form of making money for these websites. it may not have been a poor concept, but he was a bad actor and he won't try it again for a very long time. that's what i take away from it as a fan. The journalists are damaging another person, Sea is not. For what, reporting what they see? If it truly happened as Sea said, it would be a major fuckup by him, not the press. What the fuck did Sea expect (if the story is true), that it'd just be nice to get some new viewers? It'd be pretty fucked up and I personally don't believe his version of the story (even if the girl would corroborate it now). I also don't think it's nearly as bad as the battery and sexual assault accusations and the whole hang him mentality going around here however . Am repeating myself here though, so should stop replying to this topic. For taking 3 out-of-context gifs to tell a narrative that they think will gather a lot of interest and ruining Sea's reputation in the process.
You're going to quite the lengths to ignore any of Sea's responsibility to uphold his own character. Drama always goes beyond the scope of reality but that doesn't imply Sea's utter innocence. It only implies that in the context of public streaming mistakes make bigger waves.
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On September 09 2017 04:34 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2017 04:30 Kaolla wrote:On September 09 2017 04:05 Charoisaur wrote:On September 09 2017 03:59 nanaoei wrote:On September 09 2017 02:26 Saechiis wrote:
I read his statement and I'm mostly confused. Him harassing her and her rejecting him was their concept for the broadcast? Really? This borders Japanese gameshow levels of detachment from reality. He's putting so much weight on his insider knowledge of the situation rather than the reality he's presenting to his viewers.
If you stage yourself to look like a scumbag does it really make sense to be offended when people see a scumbag?
Can we just take a second here to find the logic in that, Seapologist? Even in the case that he DID stage this whole thing and everyone was in on it. Is it still not morally reprehensible to make the 99,9% that are not in on it believe that it is real? Or is it ok to make viewers believe anything you want them to believe and never be responsible for the consequences?
The argument that BJs aren't responsible for the reality they present is ridiculous. The argument that everyone should have telepathically inferred that the scene was staged is ridiculous. Sea is possibly not guilty of assault and sexual harassment but he's definitely guilty of making people think he is. Acting like a victim when people go off the information you give them yourself is ridiculous and he would've done his image a big favor by admitting he was stupid and drunk and responsible for the following shitshow despite it all alledgedly being a hoax. what's happening is he comes public with an explanation if it goes poorly (which it did) but lets it slide if it goes smoothly. as for journalists writing articles about it, they're within the same line of thinking as Sea when he does something as a publicity stunt for more viewers and more money. media outrages are exactly a form of making money for these websites. it may not have been a poor concept, but he was a bad actor and he won't try it again for a very long time. that's what i take away from it as a fan. The journalists are damaging another person, Sea is not. For what, reporting what they see? If it truly happened as Sea said, it would be a major fuckup by him, not the press. What the fuck did Sea expect (if the story is true), that it'd just be nice to get some new viewers? It'd be pretty fucked up and I personally don't believe his version of the story (even if the girl would corroborate it now). I also don't think it's nearly as bad as the battery and sexual assault accusations and the whole hang him mentality going around here however . Am repeating myself here though, so should stop replying to this topic. For taking 3 out-of-context gifs to tell a narrative that they think will gather a lot of interest and ruining Sea's reputation in the process.
Those 3 out-of-context gifs were exactly what Sea was streaming and I have no doubt they looked at the stream. If Sea was pretending to hit the girl (unlikely imo) then he got exactly what he deserved. It's just beyond stupid to stage such a thing and expect everyone to be cool with it and that it'll generate good publicity. The press is in no way to blame for it. And that is even when you do believe Sea's version of the story.
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The real question is what the ban is actually for. If it's for breaking the ToS of Afreeca, sure, fine by me. Does ASL have such a rule?
If it's because of outrage over something that is potentially blown way out of proportion then that's a whole different story.
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On September 09 2017 04:38 FranzF1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2017 04:05 Charoisaur wrote:On September 09 2017 03:59 nanaoei wrote:On September 09 2017 02:26 Saechiis wrote:
I read his statement and I'm mostly confused. Him harassing her and her rejecting him was their concept for the broadcast? Really? This borders Japanese gameshow levels of detachment from reality. He's putting so much weight on his insider knowledge of the situation rather than the reality he's presenting to his viewers.
If you stage yourself to look like a scumbag does it really make sense to be offended when people see a scumbag?
Can we just take a second here to find the logic in that, Seapologist? Even in the case that he DID stage this whole thing and everyone was in on it. Is it still not morally reprehensible to make the 99,9% that are not in on it believe that it is real? Or is it ok to make viewers believe anything you want them to believe and never be responsible for the consequences?
The argument that BJs aren't responsible for the reality they present is ridiculous. The argument that everyone should have telepathically inferred that the scene was staged is ridiculous. Sea is possibly not guilty of assault and sexual harassment but he's definitely guilty of making people think he is. Acting like a victim when people go off the information you give them yourself is ridiculous and he would've done his image a big favor by admitting he was stupid and drunk and responsible for the following shitshow despite it all alledgedly being a hoax. what's happening is he comes public with an explanation if it goes poorly (which it did) but lets it slide if it goes smoothly. as for journalists writing articles about it, they're within the same line of thinking as Sea when he does something as a publicity stunt for more viewers and more money. media outrages are exactly a form of making money for these websites. it may not have been a poor concept, but he was a bad actor and he won't try it again for a very long time. that's what i take away from it as a fan. The journalists are damaging another person, Sea is not. Sea damaged himself with that. If anyone thinks he didnt do anything wrong, our cultures are really different. Maybe it's not that bad but he deserves the ban.
Nobody thinks Sea did nothing wrong. Not even Sea himself thinks that.
I'm not saying that I did nothing wrong. I did drink a lot, and I did many questionable things on stream that made my viewers feel uncomfortable. However, unlike what the article states, I did not sexually harass or physically assult someone.
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On September 09 2017 05:03 r.Evo wrote:
The real question is what the ban is actually for. If it's for breaking the ToS of Afreeca, sure, fine by me. Does ASL have such a rule?
If it's because of outrage over something that is potentially blown way out of proportion then that's a whole different story.
ASL is the Afreeca Star League, sponsored by the platform he's streaming on. It's a measure they know will make him think twice before putting their platform in a bad light again.
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He's saying he scripted out his stream with a bunch of people? Who does that? This guy is an idiot, even if he is telling the truth (which he isn't)
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well that was pretty messed up... the first punch he threw looked like he actually tried to hurt her a little bit. i dont think ive ever been that drunk to ever act out in such a way lol, ban was justified imo...
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Yum dun goofed.
That's the thing being out there under the public's eye and maintaining an image, can't go overboard too much or you'll be torn to shreds. But he should've already known that.
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On September 09 2017 05:30 ThisIsJimmy wrote:
He's saying he scripted out his stream with a bunch of people? Who does that?
This is really common in streaming.
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I know from very start that he was fooling around. Asshole journalists made all of you believe he's sexual harasser and assaulter. I think it could be even better for Sea if that girl BJ made a statement that they were fooling around and nothing serious happened. RIP Sea's 1st remastered ASL before he hits 30 (korean age).
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On September 08 2017 13:08 CHEONSOYUN wrote:Show nested quote +Translator Note (T/N): I'm not here to claim any side, I'm just translating.
Hi, I'm Sea.
I'm not good at writing long posts so I'm not sure if it'll turn out well, but I ask you to please read on.
I did not harass nor assult the other BJ during the stream. People are taking the specific moments from the broadcast and making me look like I assulted and/or sexually harassed her but that is not the case.
I am close friends with her (the female BJ), and we streamed many times together. The concept of the broadcast, when we streamed, was that I would try to touch her (T/N: word was "skinship", imo aka flirting, but with slight physical contact. Not to be confused with just touching her overly.), she would punch me in response, and that would continue. That was the concept. The said video that's floating around the internet was part of the concept, and it was nothing sexual. In fact, after the article was posted, my friend (the female BJ) messaged me saying that she was worried for me and asked if there's anything she could do to help out.
For the part where I looked like I was "assulting" her, I hit her in the elbow two times, and she threw ice cold water at my face, everyone laughed, and the atmosphere was pretty good.
I'm not saying that I did nothing wrong. I did drink a lot, and I did many questionable things on stream that made my viewers feel uncomfortable. However, unlike what the article states, I did not sexually harass or physically assult someone.
My reputation has been really tainted due to this incident, and my family is also having a very hard time due to this.
Today, I met a lawyer and decided to sue the journalists who wrote and posted the article online. I am also planning to sue those who are writing very hateful speech against me online, after I gather some evidence.
There's also some misunderstanding on my Afreeca ban:
I was banned 3 days for throwing up on stream, and 3 days for assulting another BJ on stream. Thus, it came out to be a 1 week ban.
What I think is very unfair, however, is the fact that I was disqualified from ASL Season 4 due to the 1 week ban.
I don't think it was right for me to receive the 3 day ban for fooling around with the regular broadcast concept, hitting the female BJ on the elbow, then considering it as an assult against another BJ. (T/N: He's not claiming that he "hit" her in a sense that he assulted her, but rather it was part of him flirting around/fooling around with her)
I can't understand this at all, and I feel its very unfair that I am forced to give up my ASL spot, possibly my last ASL before I turn 30.
Please do not insult me based on the malicious articles (T/N more like witchhunt) and posts that only contain assumptions and no facts.
Last but not least, if you see any comments or posts heavily insulting me online, trying to defame me for this particular incident, please email me at <redacted>. (T/N: due to some... not so great conversations happening on TL and other stuff, I'm removing the email on purpose)
Thank you.
Somehow if this proves true, it feels worse than what was originally posted. It highlights a greater issue with society and it shows that these ideas and themes were planned when he was sober and not a "spur of the moment" when drunk.
I mean, that's really fucked up.
+ Show Spoiler +And I guess I'll stop there or he'll probably sue me
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On September 09 2017 05:58 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 13:08 CHEONSOYUN wrote:Translator Note (T/N): I'm not here to claim any side, I'm just translating.
Hi, I'm Sea.
I'm not good at writing long posts so I'm not sure if it'll turn out well, but I ask you to please read on.
I did not harass nor assult the other BJ during the stream. People are taking the specific moments from the broadcast and making me look like I assulted and/or sexually harassed her but that is not the case.
I am close friends with her (the female BJ), and we streamed many times together. The concept of the broadcast, when we streamed, was that I would try to touch her (T/N: word was "skinship", imo aka flirting, but with slight physical contact. Not to be confused with just touching her overly.), she would punch me in response, and that would continue. That was the concept. The said video that's floating around the internet was part of the concept, and it was nothing sexual. In fact, after the article was posted, my friend (the female BJ) messaged me saying that she was worried for me and asked if there's anything she could do to help out.
For the part where I looked like I was "assulting" her, I hit her in the elbow two times, and she threw ice cold water at my face, everyone laughed, and the atmosphere was pretty good.
I'm not saying that I did nothing wrong. I did drink a lot, and I did many questionable things on stream that made my viewers feel uncomfortable. However, unlike what the article states, I did not sexually harass or physically assult someone.
My reputation has been really tainted due to this incident, and my family is also having a very hard time due to this.
Today, I met a lawyer and decided to sue the journalists who wrote and posted the article online. I am also planning to sue those who are writing very hateful speech against me online, after I gather some evidence.
There's also some misunderstanding on my Afreeca ban:
I was banned 3 days for throwing up on stream, and 3 days for assulting another BJ on stream. Thus, it came out to be a 1 week ban.
What I think is very unfair, however, is the fact that I was disqualified from ASL Season 4 due to the 1 week ban.
I don't think it was right for me to receive the 3 day ban for fooling around with the regular broadcast concept, hitting the female BJ on the elbow, then considering it as an assult against another BJ. (T/N: He's not claiming that he "hit" her in a sense that he assulted her, but rather it was part of him flirting around/fooling around with her)
I can't understand this at all, and I feel its very unfair that I am forced to give up my ASL spot, possibly my last ASL before I turn 30.
Please do not insult me based on the malicious articles (T/N more like witchhunt) and posts that only contain assumptions and no facts.
Last but not least, if you see any comments or posts heavily insulting me online, trying to defame me for this particular incident, please email me at <redacted>. (T/N: due to some... not so great conversations happening on TL and other stuff, I'm removing the email on purpose)
Thank you. Somehow if this proves true, it feels worse than what was originally posted. It highlights a greater issue with society and it shows that these ideas and themes were planned when he was sober and not a "spur of the moment" when drunk. I mean, that's really fucked up. + Show Spoiler +And I guess I'll stop there or he'll probably sue me
Do explain what this "greater issue with society" is that is highlighted by a poorly executed comedy attempt?
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strong autism on this guy. he should rather stick to playing Brood War rather than trying to be a celebrity. sucks for him tho that he lost his ASL spot, he's a solid player.
User was warned for this post
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On September 09 2017 05:27 Saechiis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2017 05:03 r.Evo wrote:
The real question is what the ban is actually for. If it's for breaking the ToS of Afreeca, sure, fine by me. Does ASL have such a rule?
If it's because of outrage over something that is potentially blown way out of proportion then that's a whole different story. ASL is the Afreeca Star League, sponsored by the platform he's streaming on. It's a measure they know will make him think twice before putting their platform in a bad light again.
That's not the point I'm trying to make, the point is whether ASL has rules that specifically say "If you get a ban on Afreeca you're out" or whether this is a specific reaction to this specific event. If it's the latter and in parts caused by the outrage the initial article sparked then that's an issue.
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Uhh...... wow. I was expecting to read what happened, and it just leads with Sea's apology. Kinda white-washing the entire event and removing any agency from the victim.
Edit: Sea claims this was consensual, I guess. I see the story now, it was hidden under an expando thing.
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Teamliquid, I have a question. Does Killer honestly have any chance of doing well in the first group? I feel like he just barely returned to the pro-scene.
On another note, I sympathize a great deal for Sea. I hope his reputation hasn't been tarnished in the long-term and that he doesn't horse around with his female friends in the future.
Shalashaska_123
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This may be coming from me being too used to western PR, but I seriously would have expected Sea to put more emphasis on alcohol being a problem and to say that he would commit to some kind of rehab program.
Can't say I'm personally happy with Korean culture's friendliness with alcohol abuse, I would have expected to see some progress in the 10 years I've been following the scene.
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On September 09 2017 15:23 r33k wrote:
This may be coming from me being too used to western PR, but I seriously would have expected Sea to put more emphasis on alcohol being a problem and to say that he would commit to some kind of rehab program.
Can't say I'm personally happy with Korean culture's friendliness with alcohol abuse, I would have expected to see some progress in the 10 years I've been following the scene.
i just read this while drinking with my korean coworkers at work... before we go out for more drinking...!
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On September 09 2017 14:10 Shalashaska_123 wrote:
Teamliquid, I have a question. Does Killer honestly have any chance of doing well in the first group? I feel like he just barely returned to the pro-scene.
On another note, I sympathize a great deal for Sea. I hope his reputation hasn't been tarnished in the long-term and that he doesn't horse around with his female friends in the future.
Shalashaska_123
killer needs a lot more time
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Anyone have an account by the BJ in the video? Haven't been able to find her description of what happened.
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Even I also think that this result is off now
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Totally justified. Remember that what Afreeca is to Sea is what workplace is to you. It's just not acceptable. Even if it's a joke, if there is audience, that doesn't make it better.
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On September 09 2017 22:00 zyce wrote:
Anyone have an account by the BJ in the video? Haven't been able to find her description of what happened.
This is definitely the odd thing in all this. If Sea is innocent as he proclaims you'd think she'd have come out by now supporting his account of things.
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On September 09 2017 15:23 r33k wrote:
Can't say I'm personally happy with Korean culture's friendliness with alcohol abuse, I would have expected to see some progress in the 10 years I've been following the scene.
The drinking problem in Korea is a symptom of their harsh work culture and lack of worker protection laws that many other industrialized countries take for granted. Out of all the countries in the OECD they have the longest average work hours, just slightly longer than Japan's. So the workers use alcohol to help loosen up. After a long day of work, booze becomes much more appealing and chemically addictive. Not any different from how Americans smoke weed to deal with their poverty and stress. Both drugs, being depressants, share similar effects on the brain. This is a socioeconomic problem.
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The amount of white knighting here is almost sickening
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"I can't understand this at all, and I feel its very unfair that I am forced to give up my ASL spot, possibly my last ASL before I turn 30."
Do you get 2+ years of jailtime in Korea for hitting someone on the elbow or is Sea going to the military soon?
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On September 10 2017 03:56 Lazare1969 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2017 15:23 r33k wrote:
Can't say I'm personally happy with Korean culture's friendliness with alcohol abuse, I would have expected to see some progress in the 10 years I've been following the scene. The drinking problem in Korea is a symptom of their harsh work culture and lack of worker protection laws that many other industrialized countries take for granted. Out of all the countries in the OECD they have the longest average work hours, just slightly longer than Japan's. So the workers use alcohol to help loosen up. After a long day of work, booze becomes much more appealing and chemically addictive. Not any different from how Americans smoke weed to deal with their poverty and stress. Both drugs, being depressants, share similar effects on the brain. This is a socioeconomic problem.
I understand that, but it's still so weird to me that it isn't being discussed as a problem.
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On September 10 2017 03:56 Lazare1969 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2017 15:23 r33k wrote:
Can't say I'm personally happy with Korean culture's friendliness with alcohol abuse, I would have expected to see some progress in the 10 years I've been following the scene. The drinking problem in Korea is a symptom of their harsh work culture and lack of worker protection laws that many other industrialized countries take for granted. Out of all the countries in the OECD they have the longest average work hours, just slightly longer than Japan's. So the workers use alcohol to help loosen up. After a long day of work, booze becomes much more appealing and chemically addictive. Not any different from how Americans smoke weed to deal with their poverty and stress. Both drugs, being depressants, share similar effects on the brain. This is a socioeconomic problem.
it's not just drinking to relax.
A lot of the koreans drink because it's part of their culture to drink heavily during meals and afterwork, similar to Japan and Taiwan. This is why a lot says you never really get a break from work, because after work you still need to social with your colleagues and managers.
I have seen quite a few japanese businessmen who sit like they were mediating in train station (think buddha) but in fact they were simply too drunk to go home and fell asleep. It's actually quite interesting to see how well behaved Japanese are even when they drank too much.
I think northern parts of China is the worst of this, I have heard plenty of personal stories from my chinese colleagues who had personal friends drank so much that they die from kidney failure at young 30s.
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So this is a drinking thread now. Maybe not the best place, although I get it. Hopefully something good will come from all this.
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Sea says he was just "flirting" and even the girl messaged him afterwards confirming this. Is this true or is Sea just spouting bullshit? not sure what to believe.
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Wow. I can understand it's a different culture in South Korea but some of the comments were more shocking than the story itself.
It's always interesting tome how someone's lack of proper judgement towards alcohol can endanger one's career and wellbeing and family and everything. Maybe it's because I don't drink and I don't get what's so good about it, I don't know.
All in all, if Sea is guilty of drunken misbehavior as it seems likely, he should suffer the consequences fully. If he's not, he should be given his afreeca space and that's all there is to it, imo. No need for drama, relax, things like this happen all the time.
ps: I admire the public rage with his advances to the mentioned girl. If this was in the shithole called Bulgaria, most girls would have been happy to have been slightly abused by someone famous. Like, my current gf has had to turn down a job as a waitress in a place where rich folk go just to drink and touch the waitresses on their butts and boobs and give them larger than usual tips as a thank you. She said that there has been like hundreds of girls for the interview. First, she didn't know why. When she was approved for the job and introduced at the "study" week, she knew why and left the place.
So it's refreshing that in South Korea this is socially unacceptable.
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oh, sad for sea.... hope he can come back!
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On September 08 2017 20:52 yB.TeH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2017 19:40 Piste wrote:
"I am also planning to sue those who are writing very hateful speech against me online, after I gather some evidence."
I was hoping Sea would handle this case like a man as he seemed to be pretty nice guy before. But instead he tries to victimise himself oh dear god. That makes him look worse than it already is.
He fucked up, he should face the public speech about his public behavior that he himself streamed for everyone to see.
defending himself against character assassination is somehow bad?
No, but I don't think that counter attacking his haters is the clever thing to do here.
The gif's are out for anyone to see, he punched that girl and trying to justify it is silly. No matter if they were baby punches, they still were punches. Just admitting that he went over the line and saying that he was sorry would have made him look better in my eyes.
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R.I.P.
hope he will be the first to enter ASL in his 30+ years, this was too hard punishment imho
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Perhaps we can all agree to this: Sea rightfully received a temporary ban from his streaming platform for being a drunken idiot while streaming, he's most likely not actually a misogynistic asshole (just a bad drinker), the sensationalist media shitstorm is condemnable, it's not a good idea to make widesweeping generalizations about groups of people without sufficient empirical evidence and we can all continue to cheer for Sea because he's a great professional SC player.
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I never liked Sea and I am not surprised at all that he turned out to be an asshole. He never struck as a nice person in the old BW days
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On September 09 2017 04:38 FranzF1 wrote:
Sea damaged himself with that.
If anyone thinks he didnt do anything wrong, our cultures are really different. Maybe it's not that bad but he deserves the ban.
Im been following all the thread and I cant recall someone here saying that Sea didnt do anything wrong, I cant recall someone saying his ban was unfair, but actually everyone here actually agrees on something, it was bad taste and it was a bad decision for Sea to stream this, the ban is deserved.
I cant see cultural differences but I can see reading skills differences.
On my country there is phrase "dont try to be more saint than the Pope" referencing to people who thinks their ethic and moral views are way more superior than the rest of us, and I have seen a lot of people judging Sea for a mistake he already did ask forgiveness, but also supporting that sensational journalist around this mess.
And then others think that managing this "as a man" means he should ignore people who calls him "sexual harasser" in public or on the social media. You only know how it hurts when it happens to you, but just until...
So, dont try to judge so much from your pedestals, because someday, somehow, youll be judge as you did with others, a rule of life.
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Seeing as the group has already been played and discussion has stalled, thread has reached its end.
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