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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
August 04 2017 18:48 GMT
#41
Damn this thread is funny. Bw has been in out for decades but we still can't agree on muta vs. Goliath. Long live bw!
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-04 19:28:36
August 04 2017 19:25 GMT
#42
Massing goliaths is easy from a mechanical perspective. So, if that 'composition' were any good, we'd be actually seeing this strat once in a while, as opposed to 'once in a year'.

That proves that they suck, now the task of the thread is to prove why and how. :p

My terran hunch is that mass hydra just rolls over me if I do it. Hydras are brutal units.
Zariel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1285 Posts
August 05 2017 08:00 GMT
#43
Uhhh... ever heard of Dark Swarm?
sup
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
August 05 2017 08:05 GMT
#44
On August 05 2017 17:00 Zariel wrote:
Uhhh... ever heard of Dark Swarm?

k.

And about the first 15 minutes of the game?
blackmanpl
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
64 Posts
August 05 2017 09:32 GMT
#45
It's a hard allin to beat, and on imbalanced maps like FS and Jade, it is a legit strategy, very tricky to beat.

Don't worry OP, much better players lose to this bs at random.

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Most of the ppl here I haven't ever seen on ladder, but they seem to have a lot of experience ;-)
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 05 2017 10:01 GMT
#46
On August 05 2017 18:32 blackmanpl wrote:
It's a hard allin to beat, and on imbalanced maps like FS and Jade, it is a legit strategy, very tricky to beat.

Don't worry OP, much better players lose to this bs at random.

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Most of the ppl here I haven't ever seen on ladder, but they seem to have a lot of experience ;-)

yeah, cause we're all using names from TL.net on ladder

Please calm down radley or whoever you are. If someone wasn't A on ICCup doesn't mean he can't give advices.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
August 05 2017 10:09 GMT
#47
It's Julia
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 05 2017 10:19 GMT
#48
On August 05 2017 19:09 ortseam wrote:
It's Julia

Right, how I could not spot the biggest whiner on polish forums :D
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
blackmanpl
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
64 Posts
August 05 2017 11:13 GMT
#49
If someone wasn't A on ICCup doesn't mean he can't give advices.


739 what is your rank on icc then? or nickname?

I'm olympic ranked:
https://iccup.com/en/starcraft/gamingprofile/Julia.html

Give all the advice you want, never said you can't.

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how I could not spot the biggest whiner on polish forums


Normally people get warned for personal attacks. Stop making up stories.
You don't read the polish forum and you don't know my nickname there. You don't even know my nickname here rotfl
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-05 11:26:28
August 05 2017 11:18 GMT
#50
On August 05 2017 20:13 blackmanpl wrote:
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If someone wasn't A on ICCup doesn't mean he can't give advices.


739 what is your rank on icc then? or nickname?

I'm olympic ranked:
https://iccup.com/en/starcraft/gamingprofile/Julia.html

Give all the advice you want, never said you can't.

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how I could not spot the biggest whiner on polish forums


Normally people get warned for personal attacks. Stop making up stories.
You don't read the polish forum and you don't know my nickname there. You don't even know my nickname here rotfl

Well, I'm actually polish and I read netwars on a daily basis, so, got you. (I'm a lurker, don't even have an account, but I follow the polish scene since like forever)

Anyway, back to the topic. Gratz on you being olympic player, such an achievement. I never written anywhere that you're a bad player nor did I said I'm better. I just stated that anyone that wasn't olympic rank can give advices - what's more, advices that are useful.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
radley
Profile Joined August 2008
Poland582 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-05 14:04:29
August 05 2017 14:01 GMT
#51
739, based on that you've already ruined couple of my sophisticated trollings here, I may assume, you are not even lurking netwars forum. Because the other option would be that you are too silly to understand, that it's trolling in style of that forum. Your seriousness is typical for teamliquid community standards. With no offence to anyone :-)

Oh, and yeah, blackman as Julia's fn is well known on Polish scene, so... got you? I wonder if you even know his real nickname, since Julia isn't it too.
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Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-05 14:38:18
August 05 2017 14:28 GMT
#52
there was a good thread about it a few months ago on bw strat, the consensus was that early mech has no mobility compared to bio so you can take your 3rd and 4th much faster than a traditional 3hatch muta, allowing you to come online with hydra muta right before they push (assuming they're doing the fast fac into expo into goliath push that i'm thinking of, which should be scoutable by just traditional ling scouts).

there are also variants where the terran will go 1 or 2 port wraith into expo goliath pushes, but these are even weaker if you defend it correctly (don't get ling speed, get a hydra den when you start lair, then get 2 hydras and hydra speed and tech/expo as normal, then when you get mutas spread overlords to clear mines and expo like crazy). then just own the goliath tank push with massive amounts of hydras/mutas when it comes.

also, remember that you want +1 air carapace since it will apply twice vs the goliath AA attack, doubling its cost effectiveness

edit~ i never get lings vs early mech past the first scouts, i find that they're absolutely useless until dark swarm comes out and they always just end up losing the game for me. i honestly play more macro vs mech openers than i do vs standard zvp games, where i typically am on 4 bases before 60 suppy (at least on 투혼)

second edit, the threads that i was referencing:
first thread

second thread
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
August 05 2017 15:23 GMT
#53
On August 05 2017 23:01 radley wrote:
739, based on that you've already ruined couple of my sophisticated trollings here, I may assume, you are not even lurking netwars forum. Because the other option would be that you are too silly to understand, that it's trolling in style of that forum. Your seriousness is typical for teamliquid community standards. With no offence to anyone :-)

Oh, and yeah, blackman as Julia's fn is well known on Polish scene, so... got you? I wonder if you even know his real nickname, since Julia isn't it too.

You mean Kinslayer? And nah, he's not trolling, he's just taking everything too seriously and blames everyone around But that's just my opinion and let's not derail this thread anymore.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
August 05 2017 16:57 GMT
#54
Arguments aside, this was an interesting thread to read. I agree goliath timing attacks are difficult to beat as Zerg.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
August 05 2017 18:41 GMT
#55
Does someone have a BO for the mass goliaths? For all we know we could be talking about different builds which is why the responces are totally different.
KungKras
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden484 Posts
August 05 2017 18:48 GMT
#56
Yeah we would have really needed a replay in order to help.
"When life gives me lemons, I go look for oranges"
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
August 05 2017 19:19 GMT
#57
I think all of the trolling is taking us away from the topic. Honestly, the best way to beat mass goliaths is 999.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10152 Posts
August 05 2017 22:17 GMT
#58
Interesting and relevant game:

"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
ProMeTheus112
Profile Joined December 2009
France2027 Posts
August 06 2017 12:22 GMT
#59
^wow nice game, nice to see hydras in zvt^^
docholiday_tv
Profile Joined April 2017
108 Posts
August 06 2017 12:32 GMT
#60
I have trouble with the goliath 2 base timing as well. Its def strong, but just keep working on it. Ive found myself able to beat it amount of the time now. The muta into hydra is the best route, just try to see it coming ahead of time so you dont find yourself unprepared.
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