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[G] ZvT How to play vs Pure Mech

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Jukado
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
805 Posts
September 12 2016 16:44 GMT
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ZvT How to play vs Pure Mech

"I suck horribly (like, 20% win rate) vs mech openings...i feel like i must be missing something hardcore"

Make a sunken to stop the initial vult and then a hydra den walling your nat incase of speed vults and get some hydras incase of wraiths. Then get muta and the close 3rd base and 4th base. Get +1 air armour and continue making muta for a long while, pinning Terran back. Don’t actually engage the goliaths in the terran main, only attack scvs and force the goliaths to hang around the terran main. If the goliaths are in the terran main then the muta are doing their job. If terran moves out too early with goliaths, back stab with the muta, force the goliaths home to defend. You can see Zero gets a 6th hat at his 3rd base and a 7th hat at his 4th base. Then get hydras with +1 attack and speed overlords. You can see Zero actually gets +2 air armour as well.
The first big tip is to make muta, then hydra.
The second big tip is to stay on lair and not get hive, and get muta, then hydra!
The third big tip is to kill the army. When terran finally comes at you with his proper tank supported army, don’t back stab, kill his army. Fight him in the middle of the map with a massive surround. If you don’t kill it straight away, re-mass for as long as possible then fight his army head on again and keep chipping away at it until it dies. You have to kill the terran army or it will roll you.

Don’t take a 5th base too early, you will die. Don’t get lurkers, you will die. Don’t just ‘get a lot of shit’ (the classic Day9 quote that is still heard, unfairly to him). No, instead get muta, then hydra, stay on 4 base and stay on lair. When terran secures his 3rd, you can look to take your 5th base and hive for +3 upgrades eventually. If it properly goes to lategame, you can stay on muta and hydra, that’s fine. You do not need hive tech units. A good final unit composition is hydra with queens and spawn broodling instead of the muta. You can use drop tech to finish him off if he turtles.

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B-royal
Profile Joined May 2015
Belgium1330 Posts
September 12 2016 17:28 GMT
#2
Great post again CardinalAllin. How does this hold up against a 6 (?) factory goliath push? Versus this style of play I tend to go for hydralisks much earlier and only make around 11 mutalisks with +1 carapace to soak up damage.
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Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-12 20:45:01
September 12 2016 20:13 GMT
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Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States924 Posts
September 12 2016 21:01 GMT
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u can expand up to 5 bases and as much as you like depending on how much you harass with mutas. After getting 4 bases with enough drones, make 2 more chambers and queen's nest for hive. Make crap load of hatcheries and defilers. Swarm everywhere and just stop terran from expanding to his 4th base. Mix in queens as well. Overall very easy to deal with
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Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
September 12 2016 22:11 GMT
#5
thanks for the input guys, i was the initial noob who requested this!!! i'm horrible vs mech lmfao, i lose like ever game, although it generally doesn't go late. normally the terran will build up to a large army on 2 base and do a timing attack with his +1 vehicle attack, a whole bunch of goliaths, and tanks, then just rape me. i guess the problem is i either drone too hard because i'm expecting him to just play a longer eco game, or i drone too little and then he decides to eco and i can't effectively contain him on 3 or 4 base.

my play vs normal terran is actually very strong, even vs late game mech, it's just this period of not knowing wtf the terran is going to do before he takes a 3rd or kills me. (generally at this point im deciding between a 4th or more drones.

come to think of it, it's pretty similar to when I first started playing on fish and it seemed like every terran would ALWAYS bust me right before mutas popped and i just became really attuned to scouting for those kind of builds so now i don't lose to them anymore. it's also harder to practice vs mech openers since it's generally only like 1/10 that do it at most terrans hate playing that style during practice
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
September 13 2016 04:28 GMT
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-16 10:57:49
September 16 2016 10:55 GMT
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On September 13 2016 07:11 Endymion wrote:
thanks for the input guys, i was the initial noob who requested this!!! i'm horrible vs mech lmfao, i lose like ever game, although it generally doesn't go late. normally the terran will build up to a large army on 2 base and do a timing attack with his +1 vehicle attack, a whole bunch of goliaths, and tanks, then just rape me. i guess the problem is i either drone too hard because i'm expecting him to just play a longer eco game, or i drone too little and then he decides to eco and i can't effectively contain him on 3 or 4 base.

my play vs normal terran is actually very strong, even vs late game mech, it's just this period of not knowing wtf the terran is going to do before he takes a 3rd or kills me. (generally at this point im deciding between a 4th or more drones.

come to think of it, it's pretty similar to when I first started playing on fish and it seemed like every terran would ALWAYS bust me right before mutas popped and i just became really attuned to scouting for those kind of builds so now i don't lose to them anymore. it's also harder to practice vs mech openers since it's generally only like 1/10 that do it at most terrans hate playing that style during practice

So your main problem seems to be the scouting. Concentrate on getting information by any possible way; using lings, ol sack, mutas and later with speed lords.

If he is busting you while youre still making mutas, you should put up more sunkens and go kill any reinforcements he is sending using your lings which you have on the map and the mutas that are about to pop.
While you slow down the push with fresh sunkens be sure to pump units. Bring mutas back to break the push when you feel like you have enough. Be sure to scout his push strenght properly.

Gl and hf
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