EPTI loved watching Life play. I don't ever want to see him play again.
1 year since Life has been arrested - Page 9
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
I loved watching Life play. I don't ever want to see him play again. | ||
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ClanWars
United States330 Posts
Life should never, ever be allowed back into this scene and the damage he and others involved did to Starcraft 2 will be felt forever. | ||
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fluidrone
France1478 Posts
He should have to earn that right, not just get it. But he should have the right to try and redeem himself. | ||
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tedster
984 Posts
On January 31 2017 07:25 ClanWars wrote: Make no mistake about it, the Life match-fixing issue is one of the primary reasons that KeSPa dropped support for Starcraft 2. It had a massive impact that foreign fans might not truly understand because they have no real knowledge of the business realities in South Korea. Life should never, ever be allowed back into this scene and the damage he and others involved did to Starcraft 2 will be felt forever. But you see welcoming a known match-fixer back into your tournament is a great way to improve confidence in your product On January 31 2017 07:28 fluidrone wrote: Who said anything about "just one day" deciding he can come back"? He should have to earn that right, not just get it. If by that you mean "bring back all the sponsors and organizations that left due to the scandal and also rebuild viewer confidence in your sport from the ground up" then yeah ok you got me there Except those things aren't possible and his presence would make them worse. | ||
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ClanWars
United States330 Posts
But you see welcoming a known match-fixer back into your tournament is a great way to improve confidence in your product I'm sure. In fact it's probably all we need to receive lucrative sponsorship agreements from Coca Cola, Goldman Sachs, the entire South Korean electronics industry and at least one major airline. | ||
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fluidrone
France1478 Posts
On January 31 2017 07:29 tedster wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On January 31 2017 07:25 ClanWars wrote: Make no mistake about it, the Life match-fixing issue is one of the primary reasons that KeSPa dropped support for Starcraft 2. It had a massive impact that foreign fans might not truly understand because they have no real knowledge of the business realities in South Korea. Life should never, ever be allowed back into this scene and the damage he and others involved did to Starcraft 2 will be felt forever. But you see welcoming a known match-fixer back into your tournament is a great way to improve confidence in your product On January 31 2017 07:28 fluidrone wrote: Who said anything about "just one day" deciding he can come back"? He should have to earn that right, not just get it. If by that you mean "bring back all the sponsors and organizations that left due to the scandal and also rebuild viewer confidence in your sport from the ground up" then yeah ok you got me there And how exactly do you know that? + Show Spoiler + (and when i say "you" i mean you and all the people who agree with you and felt they had to post in this thread saying it, nothing personal  )You like hypotheticals? i hate those but i'll try one: What if he was allowed back and gave all the money to charity and won everything?  + Show Spoiler + No i don't think he will do that.. but your "it would be worse if he came back" stance is just as fictional based  | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
I thought we are better than this. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On January 31 2017 07:54 RealityIsKing wrote: Come you are going to let a guy who single handily destroyed SC2 eSport to come back? I thought we are better than this. My favorite part about the Life scandal is how it allows people to ignore the fact that SC2 had been in decline for two/three years prior and blame the downfall of the game on this singular event No doubt it was extremely important but let's not pretend the scene was thriving before hand | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
I'd want him back because most zerg players are kind of bad or uninspiring right now and life made things interesting. | ||
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ClanWars
United States330 Posts
That does not mean he should ever be allowed back into it or in any competitive game ever again. The damage he and the others involved did was real, permanent and thoroughly not understood properly by foreign fans. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
Just correcting that statement that he "single handedly" ruined competitive SC2. | ||
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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tedster
984 Posts
On January 31 2017 07:35 fluidrone wrote: And how exactly do you know that? + Show Spoiler + (and when i say "you" i mean you and all the people who agree with you and felt they had to post in this thread saying it, nothing personal )You like hypotheticals? i hate those but i'll try one: What if he was allowed back and gave all the money to charity and won everything? + Show Spoiler + No i don't think he will do that.. but your "it would be worse if he came back" stance is just as fictional based Ah yes the sponsors that left the game when he was found to be match fixing and banned are going to be even more likely to come back when the known match fixer is re-enlisted. Do you really need proof to suss this one out? Sponsors are risk-averse and aren't going to throw money into the thresher that is tainted goods. Not to mention SC2 was already in decline and the scandal represented a perfect exit strategy. Come on dude | ||
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Vansetsu
United States1454 Posts
That guy who got warned however many pages back is completely right- The TL community is indeed full of arrogant people. Chock full of teenage bandwagoning, clickyness, and hive mind thinking. With the older and more experienced among them not doing the younger ones any favors. Every time I see Life or Savior brought up, people talk as if one them were the dark stranger who murdered their family and of course, ever-so-wounded, "they will NEVER" forgive them. What makes you all so entitled to think you should have any opinion at all as to what they should or should not do with their lives now? Entitled to how much (or really any) hate that should be given to them? The only thing you are entitled to is to feel hurt, if you were actually a fan. Disappointed. Let down. But to think your disappointment ever grants you a free pass to hate someone, or that your speculation or your baseless analogies grant you some sort of special understanding, is the very definition of arrogance. And dare I say ignorance. I honestly don't think about Life all that much. I browsed the thread out of curiosity as to what popular opinion currently was, and I am leaving disgusted. I hope that a good portion of you revisit your replies and your feelings here. Because if so many of you can so easily condemn these 2 (whom most of you have have only met through your internet browsers) like some fallen angels to prison and hell, as if you understood their circumstances and as if you were their arbiters, or as if anyone in this life deserves condemnation, then, I am saddened to think how you will treat others in the politics of your small lives. Seriously fellas you're better than this. All of you. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On January 31 2017 13:12 Vansetsu wrote: Everyone deserves forgiveness. Everyone. That guy who got warned however many pages back is completely right- The TL community is indeed full of arrogant people. Chock full of teenage bandwagoning, clickyness, and hive mind thinking. With the older and more experienced among them not doing the younger ones any favors. Every time I see Life or Savior brought up, people talk as if one them were the dark stranger who murdered their family and of course, ever-so-wounded, "they will NEVER" forgive them. What makes you all so entitled to think you should have any opinion at all as to what they should or should not do with their lives now? Entitled to how much (or really any) hate that should be given to them? The only thing you are entitled to is to feel hurt, if you were actually a fan. Disappointed. Let down. But to think your disappointment ever grants you a free pass to hate someone, or that your speculation or your baseless analogies grant you some sort of special understanding, is the very definition of arrogance. And dare I say ignorance. I honestly don't think about Life all that much. I browsed the thread out of curiosity as to what popular opinion currently was, and I am leaving disgusted. I hope that a good portion of you revisit your replies and your feelings here. Because if so many of you can so easily condemn these 2 (whom most of you have have only met through your internet browsers) like some fallen angels to prison and hell, as if you understood their circumstances and as if you were their arbiters, or as if anyone in this life deserves condemnation, then, I am saddened to think how you will treat others in the politics of your small lives. Seriously fellas you're better than this. All of you. Stop painting the picture as if Life/Savior are victims here. They ruined the integrity of competitive starcraft. Everyone has the right to hate both of them for what they've done. You do not get to decide when, how or any reasons why someone can or can't hate someone. You are not the one who decides that. Life /Savior are a disgrace to starcraft and are not welcome to compete. | ||
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ParkB0m
12 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50629 Posts
On January 31 2017 14:01 ParkB0m wrote: Let the kid stream on Twitch. His very first stream would probably break 15k, and get SC2 back up to the top 10 games watched. yeah lets bring back the days of Mafreeca, because there was no added toxicity back then. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On January 31 2017 13:12 Vansetsu wrote: Everyone deserves forgiveness. Everyone. That guy who got warned however many pages back is completely right- The TL community is indeed full of arrogant people. Chock full of teenage bandwagoning, clickyness, and hive mind thinking. With the older and more experienced among them not doing the younger ones any favors. Every time I see Life or Savior brought up, people talk as if one them were the dark stranger who murdered their family and of course, ever-so-wounded, "they will NEVER" forgive them. What makes you all so entitled to think you should have any opinion at all as to what they should or should not do with their lives now? Entitled to how much (or really any) hate that should be given to them? The only thing you are entitled to is to feel hurt, if you were actually a fan. Disappointed. Let down. But to think your disappointment ever grants you a free pass to hate someone, or that your speculation or your baseless analogies grant you some sort of special understanding, is the very definition of arrogance. And dare I say ignorance. I honestly don't think about Life all that much. I browsed the thread out of curiosity as to what popular opinion currently was, and I am leaving disgusted. I hope that a good portion of you revisit your replies and your feelings here. Because if so many of you can so easily condemn these 2 (whom most of you have have only met through your internet browsers) like some fallen angels to prison and hell, as if you understood their circumstances and as if you were their arbiters, or as if anyone in this life deserves condemnation, then, I am saddened to think how you will treat others in the politics of your small lives. Seriously fellas you're better than this. All of you. Everyone? Dunno about that. And who are you to tell people how they should feel? Seems awfully arrogant to me. | ||
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Cluster__
United States328 Posts
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