EPT1 year since Life has been arrested - Page 11
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iced16
United States12 Posts
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tedster
984 Posts
Match fixing destroys the sport, but more importantly it destroys the careers and finances of other competitors. The damage match fixers cause hurts real people - lots of them. Many of them lose their careers over match fixing despite never having done anything wrong. "But Life was my favorite player so the system should bend to give him another chance!" - the system was already bent, by him, to the detriment of all the other players. Sorry. You don't get to bend it back, real lives have already been fucked over, and nothing about Life's sick micro is worth further ruining other, blameless, real lives. | ||
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SuperFanBoy
New Zealand1068 Posts
On February 01 2017 01:25 tedster wrote: Please try to remember people that Life screwed over every one of his fellow players when he match-fixed, because he took huge chunks of money out of the sport when sponsors had to bail/organizations pulled out. I'm not saying this to demonize him further, but to explain just how damaging what he did was. Match fixing destroys the sport, but more importantly it destroys the careers and finances of other competitors. The damage match fixers cause hurts real people - lots of them. Many of them lose their careers over match fixing despite never having done anything wrong. "But Life was my favorite player so the system should bend to give him another chance!" - the system was already bent, by him, to the detriment of all the other players. Sorry. You don't get to bend it back, real lives have already been fucked over, and nothing about Life's sick micro is worth further ruining other, blameless, real lives. But he made Flash look average and was the only player who could compete with MVP in his prime. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On February 01 2017 14:23 SuperFanBoy wrote: But he made Flash look average and was the only player who could compete with MVP in his prime. Billowy made Flash look average too. Wasn't hard to do. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On February 01 2017 15:03 Phredxor wrote: Billowy made Flash look average too. Wasn't hard to do. Mind boggling how many average(i.e awful) players make such gods at broodwar look awful in sc2 | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On February 01 2017 15:25 arb wrote: Mind boggling how many average(i.e awful) players make such gods at broodwar look awful in sc2 Just as if the 2... weren't the same game at all! | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On February 01 2017 15:37 Ej_ wrote: Just as if the 2... weren't the same game at all! Get out of town. | ||
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Cuce
Turkey1127 Posts
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
But: people do change. It's possible at least. The biggest drama in this whole scenario is imagining a genius having done something really wrong and then regretting it, changing his mind, being a far better person and willing to give very much to show his honest sorrow and to do some reparation. I know - we heard nothing like this from Life but how could we? The scene maked clear, that there is no possible way for him to do anything like that. I agree - there can't be an easy way for Life but that our scene offers no path at all to regain your credibility isn't something to be proud of. It's a hole in our system and nobody gets anything good from it. | ||
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blunderfulguy
United States1415 Posts
On January 31 2017 23:07 Tommy131313 wrote: It's all about trustworthiness. You trust an athlete, unless you have clear evidence, he/she is cheating, doping, matchfixing etc. Life lost his trustworthiness, therefore he can't compete in serious events, because "...you never know..." Byun could be a murderer. Innovation could be taking cocaine every time he plays. You really cannot trust any of them at all whatsoever so none of them should be playing the game at all, especially in tournaments. Because "...you never know..." [puts a pause on his satire, clears throat] Nobody can say exactly why he did what he did, so you cannot have any reason whether to still trust him or not to because you don't know what his motives were. If news came to light that he was trying to make money to save a child dying from cancer or that a mob threatened his family forcing him to throw a match, then his trustworthiness only grows. And even if we saw conclusive evidence that he had the most selfish motives imaginable, there's still the chance he would change himself and other players for the better if he were to play again, or that he tried to do so sometime between now and the event. People are far too quick to point fingers and shame someone without having enough evidence to justify it, this entire thread is a good example. You never know. So why be incessantly hopeless or ruthlessly cynical. | ||
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blunderfulguy
United States1415 Posts
On January 30 2017 21:17 schaf wrote: Would you give a diner a second chance after eating rotten meat? Would you go to the same pharmacist again that sold you sugar pills instead of painkillers? No. Because the next time you give them a chance, there is utter distrust. You ignore the other 100 meals I ate at that diner. Yes, actually, I would go back that diner, and I indeed have many more times since then and every meal was a damn good one. If this were the first meal or the second, or even the third, you might have a point. If you have one bad game in StarCraft do you stop playing forever? I don't, but maybe that's just me. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
I loved Life. Do i want hime back. HELL FUCKING NO ! | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On February 01 2017 15:25 arb wrote: Mind boggling how many average(i.e awful) players make such gods at broodwar look awful in sc2 dont | ||
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necrosexy
451 Posts
On February 02 2017 02:33 FFW_Rude wrote: I loved SaviOr. Do i want him back. Hell no. I loved Life. Do i want hime back. HELL FUCKING NO ! if there's a sc3, the zerg banjo of that game should be monitored 24/7 | ||
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hiroshOne
Poland425 Posts
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SKNielsen1989
174 Posts
On February 02 2017 15:21 hiroshOne wrote: Author of this topic thinks that Life is like Wernher von Braun. He built V2 rockets for nazis, but USA forgave him and took him to America where his further research helped them to reach space and the moon. Well...Life is not rocket builder so rather than crying after him, lets hope that another Zerg bonjwa will come. We got Dark, soO, Byul and Nerchio after all. I think you're confusing forgiveness with the absence of prosecution. Whether or not individual American citizens or individual representatives of the government of the United States of America forgave him for that which they held him responsible is another matter. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3555 Posts
On February 02 2017 14:40 necrosexy wrote: if there's a sc3, the zerg banjo of that game should be monitored 24/7 RescUer  On February 01 2017 16:11 Cuce wrote: I see many of your points on starcraft related issue on the subject and I get it but its still a felony.. I don't really care if TLO shot a bird when he was 10. I also don't understand why the fact that Life had a gambling addiction effects this situation whatsoever? I'm torn when it comes to discussing this, but my intuition is that I would have no problem watching a Life game if it was on today. He was the single most succesful player and is our current GOAT. Surely he's damaged the scene, but not going beyond speculation it's hard to see if he has really damaged it more than he has been contributing to it. He was in the center of the SC2 community and now all that's left is a gaping hole. I think in the very least he deserves to have his point of view of the story be heard. The biggest crime of all though, is that the current trend has been to white wash all memories of Life and not mention him at all in broadcasts, even Blizzcon. As if we would riot against the tournaments if his name was mentioned. I cringe when I hear Tastosis trying to come up with a past time Zerg as skilled as Dark and you can clearly see they have his name on the tongue, but mustn't say it. I don't blame them though, it's how the entire situation is being handled that is poor. | ||
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wraggy1234
United Kingdom135 Posts
Should he be allowed to stream himself laddering? I don't see why not.. I won't be watching .. ever.. but it's different to competing in tournaments and i'm sure he still has a 'fan' base. Would he even want to play SC2 again though is the bigger question.. He probably hates the game so much and is moving on in life. | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On January 30 2017 06:59 Solar424 wrote: As much as I loved life, matchfixing should have a zero-tolerance policy. The damage he and the others did to the Korean scene is incalculable and they should be banned from anything related to eSports for life. To say that what he did "incalculable-damage" makes it sounds like he did massive damage to the scene. I disagree. Maybe he hurt the gambling scene, which really has nothing to do with our scene. This scene has been dying for a long time, truth to power. SOOOOO many bad decisions have been made by blizzard about balance and a system for WCS... and intervening at all in the Korean scene which was THRIVING as far as I could tell, before blizzard got their hands into it. This scene has been living on a non-sustainable business model for a long time, and the bubble burst. Plus it's an insanely complex game, most people don't have the time to learn it, which is why a simple (by rule and complex by strategy) game like csgo is thriving. People watch games like football and basket ball, you throw a ball through a hoop or walk a ball over a line. How to you expect the population to grasp a game this complex? Also, Heroes of the storm has been growing pretty steadily with the new HGC format. I think blizzard is understanding what works better and better. That format is infinitely better for the players and viewers, more games for us and promised money to the players. We were just the guinea pigs in sc2 for esports. In a better system, hopefully players don't feel tempted to cheat a corrupt system of gambling to make extra money. Ps. gambling is corrupt, period. In the sense that, sure you can do it, but you are just fucking yourself out of your own money because it's all rigged against you. So its never something that can operate in a "clean" way, it will always be taking advantage of you. If someone comes in and takes advantage of the bookie I don't really feel bad. In gambling someone is always taking advantage of someone else. Psps. I vote let Life back in. Keep the ban for another year or two, then make a probation period, if there is still a scene by then let him back. "To forgive is divine," it's been said countless times by infinite great thinkers, also punitive measure have been executed countless times by tyrants yielding nothing. | ||
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egernya
Canada352 Posts
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