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It's a goddamn shame he got a lifetime ban. Yes what he did was fucked up, and he absolutely had enough agency at 19 to know what he was doing was wrong. However, it always struck me as supremely fucked up that they permanently removed from the scene arguably the most talented Zerg to have ever graced sc2. It's just tragic.
I'm aware that the korean legal culture is particularly harsh on gambling related crimes, but I would sincerely want to believe that given his youth and (from what i understand) mild extent of his matchfixing that he would be given a second chance. If not not only for his sake and development, but for the whole damn scene. At least personally, (and I'm a fucking terran main) the day I found out he was permabanned hit me harder than proleague (or pretty much WCS) going tits up.
Let him play ref, kids a goddamn legend
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It would be bad for the scene to have him back though. Weird thing to say.
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There's a rumor he is blackjeff (zerg top 6 kr ladder 87% winrate). I hope he is but more likely not.
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thing is, it wouldnt. it would create a lot of buzz and hype around sc2 which is exactly what i needs. and no, not all sponsors would pull out of sc2 because of it. some might, but at least as many would pull in because hype, buzz and viewercount is what sponsors care about most. tons of examples from other sports.
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With Kespa being gone, I expected him to come back and at least play one of the million online cups that started to existing.
But maybe he directly enlisted into the army "to get it done" after he got the ban and doesnt have time for this.
I am not really a fan of him playing in the public after his crime, so I actually hope he does not come back in any way.
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Many people say that blackjeff is Life, and I don't know whether it is just an attempt to make it meme/joke or whether there is any evidence
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My two cents: I vote give Life a second chance (if he wanted it).
A fundamental value in a just punishment is that it allows for mercy. Thus, where redemption is allowed, one may be redeemed. These are core civil values that Starcraft should in its own microcosm of crime and punishment and rightness consider as a social parameter of no small importance.
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On February 09 2017 18:58 Zealously wrote:I definitely sympathize with the guy, but no. Underlying causes notwithstanding, he still cheated both viewers and sponsors, not to mention other players. It's really unfortunate that Life ended up in a position where he felt like he needed to go along with match fixing, whether the reasons were related to gambling, extortion, or anything else, but it unfortunately doesn't completely absolve him of the problems he probably caused others. Other players were hurt by his actions, which is the only compelling reason for me that he should never be allowed back. Doesn't matter if it was malicious or not 
Putting his head on a spike wouldn't absolve him either other than that he were utterly gone. Absolution comes with the allowance of redemption: a second chance. The point being that making an example of right moral and competitive boundaries through just punishment is well and good but there is a fine line between what is savage and what is right. A lot of people on this thread seem to be advocating a kind of crude determinism -- to make an example of him absolutely. But to what end?
This is 2017. Do we still put heads on spikes and act as though that suddenly resolves the idea of free will? The answer to that question is yes.
But in starcraft we have a chance to say otherwise. We can have more nuanced ideas here. The fact is players will always have the option by their own agency to cheat, gamble, throw, or vice versa, to rise to the occasion and demonstrate higher values that we look for in pro athletes. Basically, mercy is something that is civil. And an absolutist decree leaves something to be desired here.
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even though Life has cause immense damage to the community, I want him to come back and on one condition: he must devote efforts in raising awareness of the dark side of the sport and educate fellow pro gamers about how and why it happens and preventing it from happening
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On March 09 2017 09:34 seopthi wrote:
Many people say that blackjeff is Life, and I don't know whether it is just an attempt to make it meme/joke or whether there is any evidence
Well it is really easy to tell if someone just checks the hotkeys
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Many people say that blackjeff is Life, and I don't know whether it is just an attempt to make it meme/joke or whether there is any evidence
Pretty sure its a meme. At the very least, there's no proof whatsoever.
Besides, even if Life tried to come back, I can't imagine any of the players (or organizations like Afreeca/ESL/etc) would welcome him back with anything but open hostility. He smeared all of their names, damaged all of their livelihoods.
Classic was asked about Life in a Dankshrine interview and replied with something along the lines of "I always respected his skills as a player, but we [progamers] don't see Life around anymore, and that's the way it should be."
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On March 09 2017 12:30 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +Many people say that blackjeff is Life, and I don't know whether it is just an attempt to make it meme/joke or whether there is any evidence
Pretty sure its a meme. At the very least, there's no proof whatsoever. Besides, even if Life tried to come back, I can't imagine any of the players (or organizations like Afreeca/ESL/etc) would welcome him back with anything but open hostility. He smeared all of their names, damaged all of their livelihoods. Classic was asked about Life in a Dankshrine interview and replied with something along the lines of "I always respected his skills as a player, but we [progamers] don't see Life around anymore, and that's the way it should be."
of course they don't want him back, because that means less $
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^ this
Maybe instead of asking classic about life the guys from dankshrine should try to get life himself. Im sure a lot of people would appreciate to hear from him + their viewercount would go through the roof.. win win situation!
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Life needs to come back and save sc2 from it's death. Kespa trying to dictate who can play video games is insane. He should just give the middle finger to Kespa and just compete in foreign tournaments.
He's been punished for his crimes, now let him come back so we can enjoy watching some beautiful sc2.
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On March 13 2017 20:24 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Life needs to come back and save sc2 from it's death. Kespa trying to dictate who can play video games is insane. He should just give the middle finger to Kespa and just compete in foreign tournaments.
He's been punished for his crimes, now let him come back so we can enjoy watching some beautiful sc2.
And why would a foreign tournament organizer be interested in that? What would the sponsors do? Just let it happen?
Kespa is not trying to dictate who can play video games. There is money involved. Is that so hard to get?
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I want Life to be allowed to play again and I want him to play again.
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imo everyone who cheats in any way during professional games should get a lifetime ban on ANY professional esport game. i dont care if he plays casually, but i hope to not see him again in any esport event...
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Purely from a legal perspective though, would Life be allowed to play again? I mean, there are no more KeSPA events anymore. So why should he still be banned?
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On March 13 2017 20:56 Swisslink wrote:
Purely from a legal perspective though, would Life be allowed to play again? I mean, there are no more KeSPA events anymore. So why should he still be banned?
Considering Blizzard removed his name from the Blizzcon trophy and Afreeca removed him from the wall of GSL champions, I'd say his outlook for returning to competitive would be pretty bad if he was interested.
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On March 13 2017 20:56 Swisslink wrote:
Purely from a legal perspective though, would Life be allowed to play again? I mean, there are no more KeSPA events anymore. So why should he still be banned?
It wouldn't be unlikely for Blizzard's eSports team to give him a ban on the basis that he's cheated in the past though.
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