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On March 13 2017 20:39 Phaenoman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2017 20:24 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Life needs to come back and save sc2 from it's death. Kespa trying to dictate who can play video games is insane. He should just give the middle finger to Kespa and just compete in foreign tournaments.
He's been punished for his crimes, now let him come back so we can enjoy watching some beautiful sc2. And why would a foreign tournament organizer be interested in that? What would the sponsors do? Just let it happen? Kespa is not trying to dictate who can play video games. There is money involved. Is that so hard to get?
Sponsors would love it because more viewers = more $. Currently sc2 teams are dying and sc2 sponsors are fleeing because of lack of viewers.
Look at CSGO - top players from NA are still playing to this day and have sponsors to their name after caught match fixing.. Outside of Korea, if you pay for your crimes you are taken back and accepted into society. This idea that he should suffer for the rest of his life is insane.
On March 13 2017 20:52 KOtical wrote:
imo everyone who cheats in any way during professional games should get a lifetime ban on ANY professional esport game. i dont care if he plays casually, but i hope to not see him again in any esport event...
He didn't cheat to win his 10 major titles, that was pure skill, he didn't pay people off to win. He got caught match fixing in tournament with low payout, he has paid for his crimes and should now be allowed to be back.
Also, you being a German should appreciate second chances.
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oh look it's the same argument again, "I liked this player so I'm going to pretend he didn't kill PL, didn't drive KeSPA away, didn't ruin the integrity of the competitive scene, didn't try to appeal without any success whatsover"
except this time it also comes with guilt tripping Germany for the 3rd reich 
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On March 13 2017 21:22 Ej_ wrote:oh look it's the same argument again, "I liked this player so I'm going to pretend he didn't kill PL, didn't drive KeSPA away, didn't ruin the integrity of the competitive scene, didn't try to appeal without any success whatsover" except this time it also comes with guilt tripping Germany for the 3rd reich
I'm pretty sure that already happened at some point in this thread before. It's a great thread.
Also still ignoring that part where pardoning Life doesn't guarantee he has any interest in coming back.
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On March 13 2017 21:12 SuperFanBoy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2017 20:39 Phaenoman wrote:On March 13 2017 20:24 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Life needs to come back and save sc2 from it's death. Kespa trying to dictate who can play video games is insane. He should just give the middle finger to Kespa and just compete in foreign tournaments.
He's been punished for his crimes, now let him come back so we can enjoy watching some beautiful sc2. And why would a foreign tournament organizer be interested in that? What would the sponsors do? Just let it happen? Kespa is not trying to dictate who can play video games. There is money involved. Is that so hard to get? Sponsors would love it because more viewers = more $. Currently sc2 teams are dying and sc2 sponsors are fleeing because of lack of viewers. Look at CSGO - top players from NA are still playing to this day and have sponsors to their name after caught match fixing.. Outside of Korea, if you pay for your crimes you are taken back and accepted into society. This idea that he should suffer for the rest of his life is insane. Show nested quote +On March 13 2017 20:52 KOtical wrote:
imo everyone who cheats in any way during professional games should get a lifetime ban on ANY professional esport game. i dont care if he plays casually, but i hope to not see him again in any esport event... He didn't cheat to win his 10 major titles, that was pure skill, he didn't pay people off to win. He got caught match fixing in tournament with low payout, he has paid for his crimes and should now be allowed to be back. Also, you being a German should appreciate second chances.
such a bullshit, matchfixing is cheatin in another way and therefore im happy that i will never see him again in any esport scene!
and dont talk to me about beeing german and second chances! first of all what people in germany did almost 70 years ago does have nothing to do with people that are now living here. secondly im an american citizen living in germany. and even if i were german the nazi shit still does have nothing to do with us...
so please get your shit together and dont talk about things u dont know!
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On March 13 2017 21:12 SuperFanBoy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2017 20:39 Phaenoman wrote:On March 13 2017 20:24 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Life needs to come back and save sc2 from it's death. Kespa trying to dictate who can play video games is insane. He should just give the middle finger to Kespa and just compete in foreign tournaments.
He's been punished for his crimes, now let him come back so we can enjoy watching some beautiful sc2. And why would a foreign tournament organizer be interested in that? What would the sponsors do? Just let it happen? Kespa is not trying to dictate who can play video games. There is money involved. Is that so hard to get? Sponsors would love it because more viewers = more $. Currently sc2 teams are dying and sc2 sponsors are fleeing because of lack of viewers. Look at CSGO - top players from NA are still playing to this day and have sponsors to their name after caught match fixing.. Outside of Korea, if you pay for your crimes you are taken back and accepted into society. This idea that he should suffer for the rest of his life is insane.
I did not know that bringing Life back would increase the viewer count that drastically? I am afraid that's not realistic. He caused a lot of dmg, but bringing him back will no erase that. I am not saying he is mainly responsible for the decline.
Also, Life had to pay the price for his actions, I don't know what you count as suffering. It is up to him to make himself get accepted again, not the organizers, not the sponsors, not the viewers, not me. If you do thats fine.
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On March 13 2017 21:22 Ej_ wrote:oh look it's the same argument again, "I liked this player so I'm going to pretend he didn't kill PL, didn't drive KeSPA away, didn't ruin the integrity of the competitive scene, didn't try to appeal without any success whatsover" except this time it also comes with guilt tripping Germany for the 3rd reich
As discussed earlier in the thread, this could be a hyperbole; i.e the SBENU scandal being the actual nail in the coffin. However, everyone should be treated the same -- a bum should have the same sentence for a crime as a politician. In this case, a second chance (given they want it, are willing to apologize, or even be some sort of ambassadors for fair play) should be thinkable for the others, like bbyong, as well.
Also see NonY's post (#244), one of the best in this thread
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When asked who is blackjeff on Ryung's stream, Ryung and Patience responded at the same moment:
Broadcaster ryung1 : 현우야
Moderator Patience : 현우형
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On March 13 2017 21:22 Ej_ wrote:oh look it's the same argument again, "I liked this player so I'm going to pretend he didn't kill PL, didn't drive KeSPA away, didn't ruin the integrity of the competitive scene, didn't try to appeal without any success whatsover" except this time it also comes with guilt tripping Germany for the 3rd reich
I never liked Life as a player. I just want him to play again. I don't think cheating is such a big deal that it deserves lifetime ban, 1 year ban is plenty enough.
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On March 13 2017 22:35 seopthi wrote:
When asked who is blackjeff on Ryung's stream, Ryung and Patience responded at the same moment:
Broadcaster ryung1 : 현우야
Moderator Patience : 현우형
What does that have to do with anything?
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On March 13 2017 22:35 seopthi wrote:
When asked who is blackjeff on Ryung's stream, Ryung and Patience responded at the same moment:
Broadcaster ryung1 : 현우야
Moderator Patience : 현우형
Creator?
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On March 13 2017 22:41 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2017 22:35 seopthi wrote:
When asked who is blackjeff on Ryung's stream, Ryung and Patience responded at the same moment:
Broadcaster ryung1 : 현우야
Moderator Patience : 현우형 What does that have to do with anything?
Just that it was rumored that it could've been Life, (incl. in this thread)
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On March 13 2017 22:46 atrox_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2017 22:35 seopthi wrote:
When asked who is blackjeff on Ryung's stream, Ryung and Patience responded at the same moment:
Broadcaster ryung1 : 현우야
Moderator Patience : 현우형 Creator?
Creator is 장현우
I don't think that's the name of any SC2 progamer
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On March 13 2017 21:22 Ej_ wrote:oh look it's the same argument again, "I liked this player so I'm going to pretend he didn't kill PL, didn't drive KeSPA away, didn't ruin the integrity of the competitive scene, didn't try to appeal without any success whatsover" except this time it also comes with guilt tripping Germany for the 3rd reich
Amazing the audacity to blame an entire country for the wrong-doings of a political party, fucking ridiculous some people.
Anyways, there were plenty of reasons why KeSPA dissolved and PL died, Life wasn't the only reason. If we really look at the big picture the first match-fixing scandal in BW did a huge blow to PL, and PL barely hung on for a long time.
Other weird scandals/situations like Azubu and SBENU were also big problems, compounded with heavier competition in viewership alone (league obviously).
I'm not saying Life should be completely forgiven, but I'm also saying the dissolution of KeSPA and others is not solely his fault either.
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On March 13 2017 22:35 seopthi wrote:
When asked who is blackjeff on Ryung's stream, Ryung and Patience responded at the same moment:
Broadcaster ryung1 : 현우야
Moderator Patience : 현우형
care to translate? what does each mean?
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On March 13 2017 22:55 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2017 22:46 atrox_ wrote:On March 13 2017 22:35 seopthi wrote:
When asked who is blackjeff on Ryung's stream, Ryung and Patience responded at the same moment:
Broadcaster ryung1 : 현우야
Moderator Patience : 현우형 Creator? Creator is 장현우 I don't think that's the name of any SC2 progamer
Jang is the family name though and with Patience adding 형 to the end it's the only guy with 현우 as a name I could find
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I don't think it's a big deal, but the hive mind has spoken.
(skill is the only thing that really matters in SC)
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On March 13 2017 21:22 Ej_ wrote:oh look it's the same argument again, "I liked this player so I'm going to pretend he didn't kill PL, didn't drive KeSPA away, didn't ruin the integrity of the competitive scene, didn't try to appeal without any success whatsover" except this time it also comes with guilt tripping Germany for the 3rd reich
Life = Viewers = Sponsors = Teams
No Life = No Viewers = No Sponsors = No Teams
Banning him hurt the scene. The reason the game declined is because the superstars of the game are no longer around.. MVP, Nestea, Life, MC, Idra etc. It has nothing to do with "integrity", its all about the amount of viewers.
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^ this. exactly this!
also, can someone please give an accurate translation of this? native korean maybe? Broadcaster ryung1 : 현우야
Moderator Patience : 현우형
who did they say is blackjeff?
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cant believe thread is still going on
good to see many people are not drinking the social justice warrior self righteous koolaid though. i like the argument that life brought in viewers/sponsors/$$$. let's take it a step further. not only is throwing a game a completely victimless crime (except the loser who loses the game), it actually makes it more exciting since matchfixing means big money, big money means bigger audiences, means maybe starcraft 2 can resurrect (because its dead, any look at viewership numbers could tell you that). the fact that gambling is illegal in korea is idiotic, lets ban the ban on gambling ,and unban life. he did nothing wrong, hell he shouldve thrown the match against mvp and given the man another trophy to cement his legacy as king of wings
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On March 13 2017 21:22 Ej_ wrote:oh look it's the same argument again, "I liked this player so I'm going to pretend he didn't kill PL, didn't drive KeSPA away, didn't ruin the integrity of the competitive scene, didn't try to appeal without any success whatsover" except this time it also comes with guilt tripping Germany for the 3rd reich
Well it's not like he single-handily killed the korean scene.
Yoda and B4 also got caught and if rumors are true there are much more matchfixers that didn't get caught.
Life/Yoda/B4 were just the ones that got caught.
To blame just Life for the state of the korean scene seems a little bit unfair.
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